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[quote=hurrykaine;243974] Gibbs is a pu$$y...[/quote]

I would encourage all those who think that Gibbs is a pussy to remeber that he did play Offensive Line for Don Coryell at San Diego State. He looks small next to the NFL players of today, but in person he is fairly imposing. If you have ever seen him standing next to Tony Stewart you will know what I mean. I would guess that Gibbs, even at his age, could probably beat the shit out of nearly everyone who has ever posted at this site. I KNOW he could beat the shit out of Czaban.

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[quote=skinsfan69;244014]Saunders system????? Screw his stupid ass system! How about getting in the Qb in which you have 2 #1 picks invested in and having a smaller game plan. Then go in with a small game plan and EXECUTE THE PLAYS. I'm so tired of this 700 page playbook BS. The Colts run a basic offense. Wayne on the left and Harrison on the right and they don't use any motion. They just frickin execute better than anyone else. Of course having Manning doesn't hurt but I'm sure you people out there get my point.[/quote]


For whatever it's worth he is the most familiar with it, in my mind he could not have done any worse than Brunnell, for this last thrashing we took. But from here out I do believe that Jason should be in at QB.

I felt that when they brought Saunders in it was yet another system that players where going to have to adjust to, breaking any consistancy in Gibbs system which got the Skin's to the playoffs.

I am sick of players having to adjust to a new coaching system every year or two.

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[quote=70Chip;244019]I would encourage all those who think that Gibbs is a pussy to remeber that he did play Offensive Line for Don Coryell at San Diego State. He looks small next to the NFL players of today, but in person he is fairly imposing. If you have ever seen him standing next to Tony Stewart you will know what I mean. I would guess that Gibbs, even at his age, could probably beat the shit out of nearly everyone who has ever posted at this site. I KNOW he could beat the shit out of Czaban.[/quote]

My mom could beat up bald ass Czaban.

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[quote=redskinsfanatic;244017]i think it's assinine to blame this all on gibbs.gibbs came back because hew anted to bring the redskins back after all those bullshit years with norv turner,and steve spurrier who did'nt really know shit about pro football.he gives them the best chance to win since he left in 1993.i'd like to see some changes,JC at qb.blitz more,but gibbs has put 3 years into this,and think out of respect,he at least deserves the next two seasons to at least try and do it!and like i said,if you bring a new coach,the team's gonna suck the next 3 years so let the man finish what he started.[/quote]


It's not assinine at all. He doesn't give us the best chance to win. He may not call the plays anymore but his handprints are all over the game plan. I mean this is basically a high school offense we are running. I have never seen such a conservative approach to NFL offensive football. The rules BEG YOU TO THROW IT DOWNFIELD. Yet we still run these 3 yard passes when it's 3-10. He is out of touch with today's game. He has handled the whole Jason C. situation very poorly. It's not 1985 and you don't leave high draft picks on the bench for two years. He is coddling Jason C. like he did Rypien and Humphries. Campbell can handle the pressure. He played 4 years in the SEC. Why isn't Rocky M. playing over Holdman? Two second round draft picks invested in him and they still play Holdman. For what? Plus you don't bring in a gazillion free agents every year and expect it to work. YOU CAN'T BUY TEAM CHEMISTRY. What other NFL coach does this crap? And he's so hard headed. The only reason we are running shotgun is becasue of Bill Mustgrave.

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Yes, Gibbs is way too loyal to Brunell. Sadly, Gibbs' loyalty to him has made this a wasted season. And I'm not saying it's all Brunell's fault. The defense has been very disappointing, and it would be bad with or without Brunell. But, by starting Brunell this deep into it, we wasted a good chance to see whether JC is the future. I've said it all season: Jason Campbell could have started out 2-5 or 3-6 - just like wily veteran Brunell - and had half a season under his belt.

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[quote=Twilbert07;244071]Yes, Gibbs is way too loyal to Brunell. Sadly, Gibbs' loyalty to him has made this a wasted season. And I'm not saying it's all Brunell's fault. The defense has been very disappointing, and it would be bad with or without Brunell. But, by starting Brunell this deep into it, we wasted a good chance to see whether JC is the future. I've said it all season: Jason Campbell could have started out 2-5 or 3-6 - just like wily veteran Brunell - and had half a season under his belt.[/quote]

Great point!

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Did anyone watch Gibbs' post-game press conference? He seemed to imply that he was going to stick by Brunell. Sorry, I can't quote him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;244011]Your correct. Gibbs likes the vets. But this is getting absurd. If I were D. Snyder I would DEMAND that Jason play next week or your fired. Personally I'm getting so sick and tired of Gibbs act. Honestly I hope he leaves after this year. He is a soft coach now. The conservative game plans and the horrible personal moves are bad enough. Then when they stink up the joint he comes on TV and says were all in it togehter and we have a lot of fight and character. What a bunch of bullshit. Go tell that crap to your wife. But don't tell it to the fans. You are what your record is and that's not very good. And even if they start Campbell do you honestly think the game plan will change? They are still going to call 30 screen plays a game and try and baby him.[/quote]
i like reading all the input but, i don't want snyder making the decisions over who is playing positions. today, and this season has sucked but let's not bash gibbs. he deserves better.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244144]Did anyone watch Gibbs' post-game press conference? He seemed to imply that he was going to stick by Brunell. Sorry, I can't quote him.[/quote]
Not sure, I heard someone ask about the QB situation and I can just remember him saying he wasn't going to address it.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;244161]Not sure, I heard someone ask about the QB situation and I can just remember him saying he wasn't going to address it.[/QUOTE]

I just read Jason LaCanfora's blog and he seemed to think Gibbs implied that he was probably going to stick with Brunell.

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[quote=RobH4413;244161]Not sure, I heard someone ask about the QB situation and I can just remember him saying he wasn't going to address it.[/quote]

Yeah he basically said he wasn't going to address any specifics about the game until he has a chance to watch it.

I didn't get the impression he implied anything about Brunell.

The general vibe I got from him is a change is coming. He did mention that he [I]thought[/I] about bringing in Collins, and that's the first time we've ever head him even mention the possibility of changing QBs so I think that's significant.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;244167]Yeah he basically said he wasn't going to address any specifics about the game until he has a chance to watch it.

I didn't get the impression he implied anything about Brunell.

The general vibe I got from him is a change is coming. [b]He did mention that he [I]thought[/I] about bringing in Collins[/b], and that's the first time we've ever head him even mention the possibility of changing QBs so I think that's significant.[/QUOTE]

I heard the same thing and my thought was Collins? Why bring him in any game unless Brunold is hurt? There's enough film on Collins' 11 years that we know what he can do. We need to know what Campbell will do..

I recall Gibbs-I with great reverence, but more and more I think he's in over his head in todays NFL. The team and offense looks virtually no different than it did 2 years ago. Brunold is doing the same exact things that got him benched in '04. Not throwing the ball downfield, not moving the team, not converting 3rd downs but Gibbs is reluctant to make any change. Does anyone besides Gibbs and Brunold think that #8 is our best chance to win games? 3-6 says he's not. Campbell can lose games and not move the offense, but give him a chance at least.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;244176]I heard the same thing and my thought was Collins? Why bring him in any game unless Brunold is hurt? [/QUOTE]

Because he is our #2 QB.

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[quote=beau_str;244159]i like reading all the input but, i don't want snyder making the decisions over who is playing positions. today, and this season has sucked but let's not bash gibbs. he deserves better.[/quote]

Sorry but Gibbs needs to be bashed. If this was anyone else this town would be ready to hang the head coach. And if he runs Brunell or Collins out there next week I'm going to simply turn off my TV.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07;244071]Yes, Gibbs is way too loyal to Brunell. Sadly, Gibbs' loyalty to him has made this a wasted season. And I'm not saying it's all Brunell's fault.[/QUOTE]

???? You're not saying it's MB's fault, but Gibbs' loyality to MB has made this a losing season. Certainly sounds like it's his fault to me.

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I think it can be tough to balance the responsibilities of a head coach and the responsibilites of being team president. I think that Gibbs as a coach has nothing more to ever prove to anyone. I don't want him to retire again just yet but if he walks to the podium tomorrow and says he's done then he should be able to do it with his head held high.

Because he has nothing left to prove as a head coach I don't think he's concerned about starting Campbell quite yet. Because what he wants, I think, is for people to be able to say many years down the road Joe Gibbs the President gave the Redskins Jason Campbell, Pro-Bowl QB.

I know I'm not stating well what I mean to say. But basically I just don't think it's as important to him that Campbell starts now because he's looking for Campbell to be the long-term answer. Not the quick fix. If Campbell is successful after Gibbs is gone that would be much more satisfying to Gibbs than if he struggles now.

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[quote=redsk1;243945]This just in... MB cannot handle the blitz. If we all know this ya think other teams do? It's time for a change at qb (even if its collins).[/quote]A lot of these points there is no defense for, but when you consistently see recievers not reading blitz, not adjusting their routes, not looking back for the ball, the QB is going to get killed. Every time. Eagles blitzed and Brunell had no place to go with the football.

And for the record, changing to Collins is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. What is he going to do better than Brunell? You'd go to Campbell because he's going to be around next year, and he might do one or two things better right now.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;244184]
I know I'm not stating well what I mean to say. But basically I just don't think it's as important to him that Campbell starts now because he's looking for Campbell to be the long-term answer. Not the quick fix. If Campbell is successful after Gibbs is gone that would be much more satisfying to Gibbs than if he struggles now.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense to me. Certainly Gibbs wants to bring home another trophy, but I believe he at least wants to right the ship and put this organization back in good standings before it's all said and done...even if it means who ever inherits the head coaching job is the guy who gets the glory of a SB win, Gibbs can feel good knowing he helped to build the team.

Certainly doesn't look good right now, but if anything, Gibbs will bring the message of playing like a team to this organization, which WILL pay off in the long run.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;244188]A lot of these points there is no defense for, but when you consistently see recievers not reading blitz, not adjusting their routes, not looking back for the ball, the QB is going to get killed. Every time. Eagles blitzed and Brunell had no place to go with the football.[/QUOTE]

The Eagles blitzed as much as they did because they, like every other team, have no respect for our deep passing game.

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Brunell or Campbell. Starting Collins is puss, winning with him accomplishes nothing.

Either they fix what they got now or start building for the future, none of this half-ass, middle-of-the road bs.

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[quote=Twilbert07;244071]I've said it all season: Jason Campbell could have started out 2-5 or 3-6 - just like wily veteran Brunell - and had half a season under his belt.[/quote]Good point, although hindsight is 20/20. No one preseason thought this would be a season in which we would lose to Minnesota and Tennessee. We really should be 5-4 right now under Brunell, but thats something you can't change at this point. You can only work foward, see if we can beat Tampa Bay, and if not then play for next season.

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Just for the record, when they list Campbell as the emergency QB, that means that they cannot play any other QB after he goes in. So, any switch today would have been to Collins because that leaves the option of putting Brunell or Campbell back in if necessary. Once Campbell is declared THE STARTER, Collins would likely be the emergency QB with Brunell #2. Also, I believe the emergency QB is technically inactive for the game.

If I got any of this wrong, I'm sure you all will correct me.

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[quote=70Chip;244201]Just for the record, when they list Campbell as the emergency QB, that means that they cannot play any other QB after he goes in. So, any switch today would have been to Collins because that leaves the option of putting Brunell or Campbell back in if necessary. Once Campbell is declared THE STARTER, Collins would likely be the emergency QB with Brunell #2. Also, I believe the emergency QB is technically inactive for the game.

If I got any of this wrong, I'm sure you all will correct me.[/quote]
The emergency QB is only allowed to come in if the first 2 QBs get hurt, or if it's the 4th quarter.

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[quote=steveo395;244204]The emergency QB is only allowed to come in if the first 2 QBs get hurt, or if it's the 4th quarter.[/quote]


Thanks for the clarification. I suppose if they really wanted to get the 3rd guy in there they could tell the second stringer he's "hurt". It generally wouldn't come up though. Most teams have a clear backup.

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iwould put randall el in before i would collins,he can't hit water if he fell off the queen mary!

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If anyone knows football it was obvious Brunell all season has been running through his reads so fast that he throws to his hot route with a bullet pass that has only netted him less than 50% completion on that read.

Another factor to consider has been Brunells inability to run for 1st downs when the protection breaksdown. That has been obvious since last season.

Now lets look at his other obvious problems like his height disadvantage. Campbell has almost 3 to 4 inches on Brunell & an arm that can only improve.

I am impressed with Washington's patience to [B]not[/B] throw Campbell right into the fire. He has certainly learned a great deal waiting in the wings.

The time is now however to go with youth & begin Campbells development. If this were a baseball franchise & Brunell was the Ace of the staff he would have already been skipped in the rotation or DL for obvious problems. Al Saunders complexed playbook or not, Brunell is not going to get any better & Campbell can only improve in real game situations.

[B]Go Jason!!![/B]

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Gibbs will stick with Brunell, and we'll lose again this weekend.

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[QUOTE=ChounsMan;244440]If anyone knows football it was obvious Brunell all season has been running through his reads so fast that he throws to his hot route with a bullet pass that has only netted him less than 50% completion on that read.

Another factor to consider has been Brunells inability to run for 1st downs when the protection breaksdown. That has been obvious since last season.

Now lets look at his other obvious problems like his height disadvantage. Campbell has almost 3 to 4 inches on Brunell & an arm that can only improve.

I am impressed with Washington's patience to [B]not[/B] throw Campbell right into the fire. He has certainly learned a great deal waiting in the wings.

The time is now however to go with youth & begin Campbells development. If this were a baseball franchise & Brunell was the Ace of the staff he would have already been skipped in the rotation or DL for obvious problems. Al Saunders complexed playbook or not, Brunell is not going to get any better & Campbell can only improve in real game situations.

[B]Go Jason!!![/B][/QUOTE]


Now this is a very intelligent post! I agree with you 100%!

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[quote=ChounsMan;244440]If anyone knows football it was obvious Brunell all season has been running through his reads so fast that he throws to his hot route with a bullet pass that has only netted him less than 50% completion on that read.

Another factor to consider has been Brunells inability to run for 1st downs when the protection breaksdown. That has been obvious since last season.

Now lets look at his other obvious problems like his height disadvantage. Campbell has almost 3 to 4 inches on Brunell & an arm that can only improve.

I am impressed with Washington's patience to [B]not[/B] throw Campbell right into the fire. He has certainly learned a great deal waiting in the wings.

The time is now however to go with youth & begin Campbells development. If this were a baseball franchise & Brunell was the Ace of the staff he would have already been skipped in the rotation or DL for obvious problems. Al Saunders complexed playbook or not, Brunell is not going to get any better & Campbell can only improve in real game situations.

[B]Go Jason!!![/B][/quote]
i agree!the only way you learn is to play in game situations,and campbell could benefit greatly by playing this season!

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Every week the hounds call for Campbell to start, and every week the hounds get more fuel because Gibbs sticks with Brunell. Until the Skins are mathematically eliminated from the playoff race, Gibbs is going to stick with who he thinks is the best option to win, and that is Brunell. He's not ready to throw in the towel on this season just yet, even though just about everyone else has.

At 3-6, the Skins have to go on a helluva run to make the playoffs. They reeled off 5 straight last year to finish the season, and I'm willing to bet the coaching staff is trying to use that as motivation. Except it's 7 straight, and it's a pretty rough schedule ahead.

Don't get me wrong, as I'm throwing in the towel on this season and want to see Campbell strut his stuff. However, realistically, if the Skins think they can still win ballgames and claw their way back into the race, they are going to go with experience over raw talent every time.

The emphasis needs to get back on max protection football. Brunell simply has no time to throw the ball, and at the same time, he's simply afraid to make mistakes.

I see Brunell starting next week against the Buccaneers, and even against the Panthers...but 2 losses will put the Skins at 3-8, and out of the playoffs. That'll give Campbell 5 starts against some solid defenses (Falcons, Eagles, Saints, Giants...Rams D sucks) and get his feet wet. Until then, #8 will be under center, and Collins will be #2.

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I think 9-7 makes the playoffs this year, but unfortunately I've resigned myself to the fact that this team will not.

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[quote=Twilbert07;244447]Gibbs will stick with Brunell, and we'll lose again this weekend.[/quote]

The Bucs are bad. I think that any of our QB's could get us a win against them.

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Not if Brunell is throwing TD passes to the other team again.

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If anything, THAT had to drive Gibbs nuts. I know Brunell doesn't MAKE a lot of plays, but usually he doesn't make a lot of mistakes either.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;244579]The Bucs are bad. I think that any of our QB's could get us a win against them.[/quote]

Not if Brunell leads us to 3 points again.

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[quote=Crat92;243892]Where's the Brunell love that permeated through this website for the last few weeks? Damn, did the season have to be lost before anybody read the writing on the fuckin' wall? Brunell has been playin like this all year! Campbell should have already been playing! At least he would have been gaining valuable experience win or lose. He damn sure could have done as well as Brunell if not better! How good do you have to be to lead a team to a 3-6 record?[/quote]
could not agree more...this has been a long time coming, and it was willful blindness that led us to keeping us in. its sad that he will end this way, but we placed way too much faith in a declining talent for far too long.

ps.- taylor prob played his Worst game ever yesterday. weak.

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brunell is the best thing since sliced bread....
i never seen a QB look like a hall of famer like this one..i,m sorry..

i feel better now...i just had too sorry..

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;244580]Not if Brunell is throwing TD passes to the other team again.[/quote]

Yeah, rip the guy who just threw his FOURTH interception of the year.

We could've had Johnny Unitas in his prime playing for us against the Eagles and we would've lost...because it wasn't the QB who made us get clobbered. It was the defense's inability contain Philly's big plays and Clinton Portis' broken hand (yes Betts DID do well and Duckett ran well a couple of times, but we NEED CP).

However, with a 3-6 record, I'm all for getting Campbell his snaps and experience to get him ready for next year. If Campbell doesn't do well, don't jump ship on him. Remember how BAD Alex Smith was in his first season? He had a QB rating of 11 one game. This year, he looks a lot better.

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I'll rip him and rip him good. If you're going to throw the ball away without even TRYING to make a play, an INT is inexcusable. I would be far less worried if he's at least throwing the ball downfield, but fuck, if he's throwing this five yard out shit, he has NO BUSINESS throwing INTs.