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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;248626]You just answered your own question "#3 receiver". What would give you any faith in our front office?[/QUOTE]

But was he #3 by virtue of his inabilities as a wide receiver, or by the fact that he wasn't as experienced as Ward or Burress? I guess we're learning the answer to that now. Talk about an expensive lesson.

My expectations of him, and the front office were obviously way too high.

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[quote=Mattyk72;248617]don't forget that he's part of the punchline too[/quote]

He definitely shares the blame but he can leave this fairly unscathed. If he wants to be a head coach next year, he will have no problem.

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[quote=TAFKAS;248629]I wonder if Williams has some feeling of being an outsider now that Saunders is here as the other Associate-Head Coach. I mean Gibbs and Saunders have a bit of a history together having coached at the same time in college, and both being disciples of Coryell. And you ever notice how Gibbs always talks about smart Saunders is and how he's got such a great work ethic and he's putting in the hours to get the ship righted? I can't remember the last time he really spoke about GW in any such way.[/quote]

I don't get that vibe at all. I think Saunders will leave the Redskins after this year. I think Gibbs hates his guts. They really didn't know each other before now at all. Williams is still the heir aparrent.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;248635]He definitely shares the blame but he can leave this fairly unscathed. If he wants to be a head coach next year, he will have no problem.[/quote]

Maybe... but he's definitely not the hot property he was last year at this time. His stock has taken a hit.

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[quote=Beemnseven;248634]But was he #3 by virtue of his inabilities as a wide receiver, or by the fact that he wasn't as experienced as Ward or Burress? I guess we're learning the answer to that now. Talk about an expensive lesson.

My expectations of him, and the front office were obviously way too high.[/quote]

For what it's worth he does add an unusual dimension to any offense and he is a great punt returner.

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[quote=Mattyk72;248637]Maybe... but he's definitely not the hot property he was last year at this time. His stock has taken a hit.[/quote]

And yet he is currently making more than many head coaches.

Poor guy.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;248636]I don't get that vibe at all. I think Saunders will leave the Redskins after this year. I think Gibbs hates his guts. They really didn't know each other before now at all. Williams is still the heir aparrent.[/QUOTE]

Who the hell asked you?? Kidding, just kidding

Seriously though, one thing about Gibbs that I've always found curious is his inability to groom future coaches. I mean you see guys who played under him like Tice, Whisenhunt, and Grimm coaching and clearly being influenced by what they learned under him. But no one is thinking someone like Earnest Byner or Stan Hixon is a future head coaching prospect.

Also, I can't recall but during Gibbs' first tenure did he ever let go of a coach on his staff? I mean I know some left for other head coaching jobs like Joe Bugel. But I can't recall him ever just flat out sending a coach packing.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;248629]I wonder if Williams has some feeling of being an outsider now that Saunders is here as the other Associate-Head Coach. I mean Gibbs and Saunders have a bit of a history together having coached at the same time in college, and both being disciples of Coryell. And you ever notice how Gibbs always talks about smart Saunders is and how he's got such a great work ethic and he's putting in the hours to get the ship righted? I can't remember the last time he really spoke about GW in any such way.[/QUOTE]

So, Williams doesn't like the fact that he's not a part of the 'coaching club' of Gibbs and Saunders? And now he's not going to coach his very best because of it?

Let's look at it this way - he squeezed more than anyone could have expected out of a no-name defense in '04, had success in '05, but the cracks were starting to show, and besides a boneheaded move to bring in Andre Carter this year, really nothing was done to improve the D-line, and guys like Griffin and Salave'a are officially worn out.

So, do you really think Gregg Williams has forgot how to coach, or decided he's going to suck at his job?

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[quote=Beemnseven;248648]So, Williams doesn't like the fact that he's not a part of the 'coaching club' of Gibbs and Saunders? And now he's not going to coach his very best because of it?

Let's look at it this way - he squeezed more than anyone could have expected out of a no-name defense in '04, had success in '05, but the cracks were starting to show, and besides a boneheaded move to bring in Andre Carter this year, really nothing was done to improve the D-line, and guys like Griffin and Salave'a are officially worn out.

So, do you really think Gregg Williams has forgot how to coach, or decided he's going to suck at his job?[/quote]


No one is saying he's deciding to suck, but if you've ever had your career path threatened, it motivates you one of 3 ways.

1. A strong competitor ups his game with either better or worse results. Sometimes striving to overachieve can overshadow fundamental things.
Sometimes you in fact DO overachieve and win out.

either way its a risk....,.

2. A weak person will just roll over and die. totally pack in the bags. The rug was jerked and he's done, and its a slap in the face to them.


3. Then you have people who wont change the way they're doing things with mixed results as well...

they could sit back and wait for their proven track record and solid performance to speak for itself....but will that be mistaken for complacencey?



I think thats more of the situation than him just forgetting how to coach....

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[quote=TAFKAS;248646]Who the hell asked you?? Kidding, just kidding

Seriously though, one thing about Gibbs that I've always found curious is his inability to groom future coaches. I mean you see guys who played under him like Tice, Whisenhunt, and Grimm coaching and clearly being influenced by what they learned under him. But no one is thinking someone like Earnest Byner or Stan Hixon is a future head coaching prospect.

Also, I can't recall but during Gibbs' first tenure did he ever let go of a coach on his staff? I mean I know some left for other head coaching jobs like Joe Bugel. But I can't recall him ever just flat out sending a coach packing.[/quote]

I don't think he ever did. They were so successful though. There was never any reason for it to come up.

Seriously, I am probably projecting my own feelings towards Saunders on to Gibbs. I think he is an evil presence.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;248544]He was mad he didnt have an excuse to put Mark brunell back in.

Ah, I love starting a fire![/QUOTE]

And you know how I love to put those fire's out with gasoline.

All this nonesense about Saunders not getting the job done as if we were able to get the job done when Gibbs was calling the play's, the only difference with Gibbs calling the play's was he would run 3 times into a stacked line for about 3 yards late in the game and punt, then hope the defense bails him out. Well the defense isn't bailing anyone out this year which is putting a huge focus on the inability of the offense which has existed since Gibbs return.

Funny I don't here a peep about Bugel? The more I watch, the more I feel the game has long passed him by, teams blitz and succeed at will, how many times are we going to see a team bring up thier safeties to the line of scrimmage [over the center and guards no less] and not be blocked? Either this line needs to be completly overhauled, or Bugel can't handle these Blitzing defenses, remember these defenses today are hybrids of the Buddy Ryan 46, which bugel never had much succees against, seems to me our line could very well be improperly coached and illprepaired, Either way Gibbs should have identified the problem long ago and started the process of fixing it.

I know we are being knocked for not running much today, but it didn't look like to me we were going to make many first down's running, there wasen't a lot of room out there, and rightly so, any good coordinator is going to make a rookie QB [especially in his first start] beat them.

Yea Gibbs was mad, he should have been that mad 2 seasons ago, some how when we lose with Brunell it's much more palitable for him than with someone else.

Brunell is out, and no one fought thier gut's out? IRONIC!


As far as personel moves being someone else's fault? Nonesense! Gibbs has final say, perhaps he should stop listening to the great Clinton Portis when it comes to personel and football related matters. Let's hear it for Sean Taylor, and Chris Cooley, why you ask? Because in 3 year's that's the only legitamate talent we have produced in the draft. Nice job GM JOE.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;248652]No one is saying he's deciding to suck, but if you've ever had your career path threatened, it motivates you one of 3 ways.

1. A strong competitor ups his game with either better or worse results. Sometimes striving to overachieve can overshadow fundamental things.
Sometimes you in fact DO overachieve and win out.

either way its a risk....,.

2. A weak person will just roll over and die. totally pack in the bags. The rug was jerked and he's done, and its a slap in the face to them.


3. Then you have people who wont change the way they're doing things with mixed results as well...

they could sit back and wait for their proven track record and solid performance to speak for itself....but will that be mistaken for complacencey?



I think thats more of the situation than him just forgetting how to coach....[/QUOTE]

Then there's the fourth option: the players he has suck.

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Don't forget draft pick Jason Campbell.

Is it possible for typed words to be slurred?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;248648]So, Williams doesn't like the fact that he's not a part of the 'coaching club' of Gibbs and Saunders? And now he's not going to coach his very best because of it?

Let's look at it this way - he squeezed more than anyone could have expected out of a no-name defense in '04, had success in '05, but the cracks were starting to show, and besides a boneheaded move to bring in Andre Carter this year, really nothing was done to improve the D-line, and guys like Griffin and Salave'a are officially worn out.

So, do you really think Gregg Williams has forgot how to coach, or decided he's going to suck at his job?[/QUOTE]

It was an isolated question I asked. I don't think I said anything about it being reflective of his performance as a coach. I think Williams has been hurt by an underachieving Andre Carter, Griff and Salave'a playing hurt, Springs missing the first several weeks, Rogers regressing at a frantically scary pace. And Prieolau being out. I'll tell you what if Pierson is playing I don't think we hear as much Ryan Clark is God talk.

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[quote=Beemnseven;248656]Then there's the fourth option: the players he has suck.[/quote]


Who's fault is that? Who was responsible for bringing in his players?


Lets just pretend for a minute it was the players faults... are you telling me in ONE season all of these guys forgot how to tackle????

Or did some of the Fundamental stuff get overlooked this year???

I don't know whats going on any more than you do, but I don't speculate that its the players and not GW.

I KNOW its GW. and its GIBBS as well, since the team is ulitimately his responsiblity.

I only speculate as to why there is an issue.... Ive heard Chemistry being thrown around alot... wonder if its coaching/players or players/players, or ever coaching/coaching....

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;248661]Who's fault is that? Who was responsible for bringing in his players?


Lets just pretend for a minute it was the players faults... are you telling me in ONE season all of these guys forgot how to tackle????

Or did some of the Fundamental stuff get overlooked this year???

I don't know whats going on any more than you do, but I don't speculate that its the players and not GW.

I KNOW its GW. and its GIBBS as well, since the team is ulitimately his responsiblity.

I only speculate as to why there is an issue.... Ive heard Chemistry being thrown around alot... wonder if its coaching/players or players/players, or ever coaching/coaching....[/QUOTE]


Big problem is that you can go from "experienced" to "old" very fast in the NFL. One minute you're a crafty veteran, the next you're just and old bum

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;248659]It was an isolated question I asked. I don't think I said anything about it being reflective of his performance as a coach. I think Williams has been hurt by an underachieving Andre Carter, Griff and Salave'a playing hurt, Springs missing the first several weeks, Rogers regressing at a frantically scary pace. And Prieolau being out. I'll tell you what if Pierson is playing I don't think we hear as much Ryan Clark is God talk.[/QUOTE]

Seems like the implication was there, since the theme of this thread has to do with calling Gregg Williams out.

What's wrong with Griffin and Salave'a? I suppose it doesn't matter; we can see how much of a priority the front office put on upgrading the line. Springs is back now, and is getting beaten. He didn't forget how to play over those several weeks, I hope. Sean Taylor is regressing too. And Pierson Priouleau? I guess you could say his absence has hurt, since anything would be an upgrade over these dopes.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;248673]Seems like the implication was there, since the theme of this thread has to do with calling Gregg Williams out.[/QUOTE]

Sorry you took it that way. It's something I had been curious about for a while just thought I'd ask here and now.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;248661]Who's fault is that? Who was responsible for bringing in his players?


Lets just pretend for a minute it was the players faults... are you telling me in ONE season all of these guys forgot how to tackle????

Or did some of the Fundamental stuff get overlooked this year???

I don't know whats going on any more than you do, but I don't speculate that its the players and not GW.

I KNOW its GW. and its GIBBS as well, since the team is ulitimately his responsiblity.

I only speculate as to why there is an issue.... Ive heard Chemistry being thrown around alot... wonder if its coaching/players or players/players, or ever coaching/coaching....[/QUOTE]

What TAFKAS said. Griffin, Salave'a, Springs, Wynn, Daniels, and Holdman aren't 'experienced' anymore. They're just old.

Now, do you think Williams forgot how to coach in ONE season? Williams has no control over player personnel.

Give Williams some linebackers, a strong safety who can cover, a free safety who doesn't get called for boneheaded penalties, two corners who can cover, a couple of defensive ends who can pressure the quarterback -- and bingo! He'll be a good coach again!

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I guess Monte Kiffin has lost his touch too. His unit has dropped from #1 to #24. These things happen, I'll only get worried if Williams can't field a good defense next year.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;248679]What TAFKAS said. Griffin, Salave'a, Springs, Wynn, Daniels, and Holdman aren't 'experienced' anymore. They're just old.

Now, do you think Williams forgot how to coach in ONE season? Williams has no control over player personnel.

Give Williams some linebackers, a strong safety who can cover, a free safety who doesn't get called for boneheaded penalties, two corners who can cover, a couple of defensive ends who can pressure the quarterback -- and bingo! He'll be a good coach again![/QUOTE]

I know that Williams is very much a part of player personnel discussions, both offense and defense. At least he was going into last season. And drafting Taylor was basically his call. Rogers might have been also.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is I think he's given almost carte blanche control over the defense-scheme and personnel. So I think in some ways he's a bit more responsible for what's happening. That said, no matter how much freedom he's given ultimately there are people above him who have to step in if they sense there are problems. Question is, do they sense it?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;248681]I know that Williams is very much a part of player personnel discussions, both offense and defense. At least he was going into last season. And drafting Taylor was basically his call. Rogers might have been also.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is I think he's given almost carte blanche control over the defense-scheme and personnel. So I think in some ways he's a bit more responsible for what's happening. That said, no matter how much freedom he's given ultimately there are people above him who have to step in if they sense there are problems. Question is, do they sense it?[/QUOTE]

A "part" of player personnel discussions? Now, the way I take that is, Williams has a need for a cornerback, then Gibbs, under the advice of the master of manipulation Vinny Cerrato selects Carlos Rogers -- who got all his information from reading Sports Illustrated's Special NFL Draft issue? Or from his scouting staff?

Either way, the part Williams plays looks to be nothing more than stating a need, and someone tells him about a player that they'll select -- and Williams says, "Okay, sounds good." But if I'm wrong, and his input is much more than that, then why is it structured that way? Why is Williams responsible for scouting?

The people above him need to step in and hire someone who can make smart personnel decisions, and get Williams, and Joe Gibbs back to doing what they do best, coach their players.

Like I said -- it's f'ed up from top to bottom.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;248683]A "part" of player personnel discussions? Now, the way I take that is, Williams has a need for a cornerback, then Gibbs, under the advice of the master of manipulation Vinny Cerrato selects Carlos Rogers -- who got all his information from reading Sports Illustrated's Special NFL Draft issue? Or from his scouting staff?

Either way, the part Williams plays looks to be nothing more than stating a need, and someone tells him about a player that they'll select -- and Williams says, "Okay, sounds good." But if I'm wrong, and his input is much more than that, then why is it structured that way? Why is Williams responsible for scouting?

The people above him need to step in and hire someone who can make smart personnel decisions, and get Williams, and Joe Gibbs back to doing what they do best, coach their players.

Like I said -- it's f'ed up from top to bottom.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why it's structured as such or if it even still is. I just remember last year Gibbs talking about he, Vinny and Gregg sat down to talk about some personnel moves on offense. It might have been the Moss trade, I really don't remember. I found it curious that Williams would sit in on that meeting but I sort of figured it was part of the "heir apparent" training process.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;248680]I guess Monte Kiffin has lost his touch too. His unit has dropped from #1 to #24. These things happen, I'll only get worried if Williams can't field a good defense next year.[/quote]I think theres a significant difference between 30 and 24. If we were the 24th defense, we'd be .500.

Regarding Williams, I think he's too worried about getting back to the defense he had the last two seasons than to actually change something to reestablish respectability. Too much of a perfectionist, not realizing that we'd be winning games if his unit was [I]average[/I].

With the money being paid, and his rep, I would hope that if he had a bunch of camp scrubs, he would have his defense in the top 25. This performance is unexceptable.

I'm not suggesting we fire the guy. Just suggesting that he's a significant part of the problem this season.

And if it [I]is[/I] his perfectionism that is forcing his hand, that's a bit ironic because I believe it was his perfectionism that almost single handedly beat the Bucs last year. Who else remembers that he [I]sat[/I] Shawn Springs because he thought his gameplan was too good to be beaten. Give him credit for that, he was right.

And now, that same attitude is killing us.

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[quote=Beemnseven;248648]So, Williams doesn't like the fact that he's not a part of the 'coaching club' of Gibbs and Saunders? And now he's not going to coach his very best because of it?

Let's look at it this way - he squeezed more than anyone could have expected out of a no-name defense in '04, had success in '05, but the cracks were starting to show, and besides a boneheaded move to bring in Andre Carter this year, really nothing was done to improve the D-line, and guys like Griffin and Salave'a are officially worn out.

So, do you really think Gregg Williams has forgot how to coach, or decided he's going to suck at his job?[/quote] Great point. We have done nothing over the last 10 + years to beef up the D Line . Most of the teams that are consistantly in the playoffs draft at least one DL-man , if not two every year . We also do not have a big downhill MLB . We all see the problems the db's have in coverage < - Springs > . Too bad we do not have many draft picks , we could use them . I hope we never draft another player from the U ,,, draft from # 1 OHIO STATE BUCKEYES !!

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[quote=budw38;248718]Great point. We have done nothing over the last 10 + years to beef up the D Line . Most of the teams that are consistantly in the playoffs draft at least one DL-man , if not two every year . We also do not have a big downhill MLB . We all see the problems the db's have in coverage < - Springs > . Too bad we do not have many draft picks , we could use them . I hope we never draft another player from the U ,,, draft from # 1 OHIO STATE BUCKEYES !![/quote]

I voiced this opinion earlier that we need to steal a page fromt he Tuna's playbook and rebuild our defensive front seven. Golston looks like he might be a good player, and a good find in the sixth round. We need to rebuild our D-line, our first round pick needs to be either a DT or DE. We need to develop a decent front seven, and then by magic our secondary will look better. Quarterbacks have a knack for throwing interceptions and fumbling when they get sacked or there is a heavy pass rush. The most damning statistic in my mind is that opposing QBs have had a 104.7 QB rating against the Redskins this season, that metric speaks volumes, it says we have no pass rush.

Since we have made the switch to Campbell I think it is time to see what Rocky can do on the D. We have to evaluate our young talent and figure out who is going to be on this team.

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[quote=Mattyk72;248540]I said it in another thread, I think he was calling out Saunders and GW a bit today. Anyone else get that feeling?[/quote]

I agree with you. I hope he will drop all the Mr. Nice Guy stuff. He's the Hall of Famer, take charge!

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[QUOTE]The people above him need to step in and hire someone who can make smart personnel decisions, and get Williams, and Joe Gibbs back to doing what they do best, coach their players.[/QUOTE]

Right. The biggest problem with the defense and offense and the team is player personnel decisions. GW has a large say in decisions. He was the one courting Adam Archuleta. The thing is: Everyone has known that this has been the problem in one form or another ever since Dan Snyder bought the team: No accountability in the Front Office, No GM. This is no way to run a franchise. The personnel moves have destroyed the continuity on this team over and over again. I hope that Gibbs is finally waking up to this fact. He is the only one who can force Snyder to accept a legitimate outsider GM for next year.

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The players aren't the same without Gibbs running the show - period. He needs to take back the O.

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So go from an offense that has been #1 in the league for years upon years back to an offense that required Clinton Portis to carry the entire load which also netted the lowest playoff offensive totals in NFL history. No thanks. Give Saunders time to get his scheme in. Gibbs had two years and our offense was consistantly shit. Let's try giving someone else with a proven system not designed in the 80s to have two years.

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he was pissed no doubt. I think he either had words or will have words with coaches - not players. Doc Walker said that Joe has never, and will never call out players in the media, so his opnion was that anger was directed to Al and GW.

If you read between the lines his "principles" rant was pretty telling. I think he preaches, preaches about a certain of type philospy and the product every sunday is differnet and he is now pissed. I loved it. If you didn't see the change in his tone and demeanor you don't watch JG close enough.

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I completely agree, Daseal. Saunders system is taking time to put into place, and sticking with Brunnell (and that, I take it, was Gibbs call) didn't help. One big problem has been the o-line's trouble in adapting to the new system. Saunders has a blocking system--it's Buges job to put it into place. This is not the Gibbs/Buges system of the eighties. Gibbs was calling out his o-line and backs, IMO, with his comments about not rushing. Saunders called running plays; the players did not execute.

But he did, for the first time, direct criticism at the D. I think the players are underperforming, but that was a way of crticizing Williams. And Williams clearly has large input on specific player moves--AA is his guy, and my guess is the reast are too. One bifg thing Gibbs said--and I completely agree--is that the D DID NOT GET THE BALL ENOUGH FOR THE OFFENSE. They didn't have enough plays. Long drive after long drive. If Campbell gets 10 or so more plays, we win, IMO. If you can't get on the field, you can't get a rhythm, and that's what Saunders offense thrives on. Of course, then they have to be able to run the ball--so the o-line has to get its head out of its ass and block, and Betts needs to hit the hole and hold on to the ball, or sit down. (I say start Duckett now, but we'll see...).

Gibbs was pissed. That was the equivalent of yelling by Gibbs. Behind closed doors, I do not doubt the fire will be lit. It may be too little too late, but it's time to play with fire, or get off the field.

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Guys better start playing like their jobs depend on it because these last 6 games are definitely a tryout for next year. The lack of passion by the D is what's most disappointing.

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:( ..... At least we get to watch JC throw bombs for the next 6weeks.. (I hope)... I want him to throw to Santana!!! I can't wait to see that!

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I said this in another thread, and it bears repeating here:

Gibbs needs to parlay that anger by getting medieval with this coddled bunch - full contact practice in full pads. Twice a day if necessary. He has taken the bullet for this overpaid bunch week after week, and they've done nothing to reward that loyalty. It's time for Gibbs to put away the carrot and break out the stick.

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[quote=skinsguy;248563]It is funny how some of you guys can't get passed this thing with Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell, but you can completely ignore the fact that the real reasons why we're losing games are the defense and the inconsistent playcalling from Al Saunders. I'll admit, I was very excited to see Al Saunders coming here, but this team wins with Joe Gibbs football, and they're not playing Joe Gibbs football.

A side note...I think Jason Campbell played more than well enough to have won us a ball game,but he has completely NO HELP from anybody else with the exception of Loyd, ARE, and Cooley.[/quote]

sauners, playcalling, and defense have been blamed for weeks upon weeks. too badd lloyd couldn't have helped by catching the long bomb.

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[quote=Daseal;248819]So go from an offense that has been #1 in the league for years upon years back to an offense that required Clinton Portis to carry the entire load which also netted the lowest playoff offensive totals in NFL history. No thanks. Give Saunders time to get his scheme in. Gibbs had two years and our offense was consistantly shit. Let's try giving someone else with a proven system not designed in the 80s to have two years.[/quote]

i think an awful lot of that was on brunell and his injuries at that point.

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Again, I think A solid MLB leader would help a lot of things, especially the passion aspect

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Whatever it is, it has to be internal. This team was so pumped for the season to begin. As soon as Portis got hurt and we signed Duckett it was down hill from there (emotionally). Wish I could have been in the locker room and heard the guys talking......

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I can't blame saunders for this game at all, we moved the ball on offense, he dealt well with the cover 2. We only got like 3 possessions in the 2nd half, pathetic.