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An article like this coming out is bound to have a huge impact on the psychology of the team I would think. Thank goodness for Adam Archuleta, (or whoever gave his perspective to Tom Friend of ESPN). Hey, Arch, you may have earned some of your salary with this. Change is needed, and it takes people to make their views known.

This is going to be a turning point for the Redskins. If Joe Gibbs were not here to lead, I think we would be at the point where things could disintegrate badly. However, Coach Gibbs I think is really going to have a challenge ahead.

Some questions:

Will the players start to let their feelings come more to the surface?

Will there be pro- and anti- Williams factions?

Will Williams actually read the situation, realize how dire things are, and take steps to listen to the players and change his stripes? I think that is not likely, but people can change. Or will he dig in and polarize? Or pretend all is well?

Will the team respond to Coach Gibbs' exhortation to play smashmouth? Will this demand lead to changes in the scheme which will set the players free to do what they need to do? Last year, we simplified on offense. Maybe we can do that on defense this year.

It is going to be a very trying time ahead for the Redskins, but I am hopeful that things will shake down in such a way that by the offseason we will be headed strongly in the right direction.

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The article was quite a read, and while we all may have our suspicions as to who the unidentified player may be, I'm going to hold serve because I have always been skeptical of articles mentioning a third party who's not going to speak for himself. I'm reminded of the old "false flag" doctrine.

To think there's that kind of problem going on with the coaching staff is troubling (if the authors writings can be asumed as truth) It may also help explain why the product we've seen this season is what it is.

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This was a pretty investigative article... and honest journalism requires you keep sources anonymous if requested. The whole story was pretty damn revealing- i knew there was some drama, but if this much friction is true the team has kept it pretty in house all season.

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dead last fuckin defense... depressing...

let the fighting juice flow

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Dexter Manley was talking with Bram on XXX radio tonight and said he knew who the player was who talked to ESPN. Said he was a CURRENT starter in the secondary whose contract is nearly over and who wants out of here by next year. He wrote the player's name down and showed it to Bram. All of this points directly to Springs. And I, for one, am glad someone finally had the guts to talk about what is really going on behind the scenes. The way this "D" has played this year, it had to be more than 1 or 2 players. It's comical to see everyone attacking AA and Carter, when the problem is so much deeper than that. I believed all along there was serious trouble between the players and the coaches, but never realized how truly bad it is.

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That is all we need - Springs leaving town due to the total debacle of defensive coordination! I don't think that there is much of any chance that confidence can be restored in Gregg Williams' leadership.


[quote=LadyT;250399]Dexter Manley was talking with Bram on XXX radio tonight and said he knew who the player was who talked to ESPN. Said he was a CURRENT starter in the secondary whose contract is nearly over and who wants out of here by next year. He wrote the player's name down and showed it to Bram. All of this points directly to Springs. And I, for one, am glad someone finally had the guts to talk about what is really going on behind the scenes. The way this "D" has played this year, it had to be more than 1 or 2 players. It's comical to see everyone attacking AA and Carter, when the problem is so much deeper than that. I believed all along there was serious trouble between the players and the coaches, but never realized how truly bad it is.[/quote]

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[quote=Oakland Red;250402]That is all we need - Springs leaving town due to the total debacle of defensive coordination! I don't think that there is much of any chance that confidence can be restored in Gregg Williams' leadership.
[QUOTE]Said he was a CURRENT starter in the secondary whose contract is nearly over and who wants out of here by next year[/QUOTE][/quote]
Springs' contract is not about to run out. We have him through 2009. He has the shortest contract left out of the starters and that is not short. Kenny Wright's contract will run out after this year, and so will The Ade's, but they're not starters.

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[quote=Oakland Red;250402]That is all we need - Springs leaving town due to the total debacle of defensive coordination! I don't think that there is much of any chance that confidence can be restored in Gregg Williams' leadership.[/quote]

I agree with you about GW. Springs is a player who commands a lot of respect on the team. His comments can't simply be explained away as a disgruntled player. Under GW, there have been a LOT of disgruntled players and, one by one, they've either left or been gotten rid of - most of them good players too. There's a common thread to all of this and it points directly to GW.

But, does Gibbs have the guts to make a tough decision about his coach, when that coach has clearly lost the respect of a lot of his players? Me thinks not. After all, it took Gibbs how many games to finally bench Brunell? How much longer will it take him to make an even bolder move and get rid of GW? Unless GW can totally change his personality, I don't see this situation improving at all. He's lost the players and, once that happens, there's no where to go but down.

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[quote=steveo395;250403]Springs' contract is not about to run out. We have him through 2009. He has the shortest contract left out of the starters and that is not short. Kenny Wright's contract will run out after this year, and so will The Ade's, but they're not starters.[/quote]

Manley also said that he and this player were good friends. It certainly isn't AA since he's not a current starter. The only secondary starters that come to mind on this are Springs or Rogers. Wright isn't playing all that well to be in a position to speak out and neither is Rogers, but Springs is. I still say it's Springs. In any event, it doesn't really matter who it is, the cat's out of the bag now. This player only helps to confirm what a lot of us feared was true anyway - that there is a major disconnect between the players and the coaches on the "D". There's just no other plausible explanation for why the entire "D" is sinking faster than the Titanic.

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Got some more info on what Dexter told Bram. Dexter said he (Dexter) and Tom Friend were buddies and that Dexter knew the article was coming out, he just didn't know when, and he knew who the player was who talked to Friend. He wrote the player's number down who talked to ESPN and gave it to Bram. After looking at it, Bram said the player was a current starter and a leader on the secondary. His contract was nearing an end and that he did not expect to return next year and that he wanted out. Does anyone know the status of ST's contract? The only players this could possibly be are: Springs, Rogers or ST.

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[QUOTE=LadyT;250399]Dexter Manley was talking with Bram on XXX radio tonight and said he knew who the player was who talked to ESPN. Said he was a CURRENT starter in the secondary whose contract is nearly over and who wants out of here by next year. He wrote the player's name down and showed it to Bram. All of this points directly to Springs. And I, for one, am glad someone finally had the guts to talk about what is really going on behind the scenes. The way this "D" has played this year, it had to be more than 1 or 2 players. It's comical to see everyone attacking AA and Carter, when the problem is so much deeper than that. I believed all along there was serious trouble between the players and the coaches, but never realized how truly bad it is.[/QUOTE]

Ok, so this is off-topic for a minute and perhaps a bit cruel but am I the only who finds it amusingly ironic to hear that Dexter Manley [I]wrote[/I] a player's name down?? He's come a long way I suppose.

Back to the topic at hand, interesting stuff. I'm curious who the source was. I could snoop around but don't think it'll get me far. I did hear though that it wasn't just the players that Gibbs laid into this week. He apparently let the coaching staff (particularly Saunders and Williams) have it too. Saying stuff like "You guys want to win Super Bowls as head coaches, you want to run organizations, but you can barely keep one unit together let alone an entire team." Not in those exact words but the general idea was that.

Hopefully everyone can rally around and give Gibbs a nice birthday gift on Sunday.

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I'm very glad to hear that Gibbs went after Saunders and especially Williams. Sadly, I don't think GW will be able to inspire this "D" any more. He has lost them, and rightfully so, if even half of what's in that ESPN article is true. Gibbs would never treat players the way GW has. Maybe the team will rally for Gibbs, but they won't for GW. If GW feels a player isn't performing, his response is to give them the "silent treatment"??? Now, that sounds like future head coaching material, right?

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[quote=LadyT;250404] Under GW, there have been a LOT of disgruntled players and, one by one, they've either left or been gotten rid of - most of them good players too..[/quote]

Who are we talking about here? Smoot and Pierce left for more money, nothing to do with GW. [B]Lavar is the only one[/B] I can think of that didn't get along. Don't say Clark and Harris, they were castoffs, they didn't ask to leave. While this story is interesting we can't assume it's true or that it is Springs. So am I missing somebody?

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I have doubts that it was Springs. I would think that Rogers would be more upset than Springs.

Unfortunately, my guess would be Taylor. They released his friend and the coaches are severly mis-using his talents. Taylor has probably never failed at any level in his life. I don't think that players from the U take to losing very well.

Not to mention the fact that he was unhappy with his contract. They scoffed at reworking his and then they bring in the Captain of the punt team for 30 million.

The more that I think about it, he seems to be the most logical choice.

This team is so f-ed up it is pathetic.

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While I think there are some valid points in the article, I don't buy much of it. First of all there is the typical exaggeration that is in most articles today, like the redskins being a bigger disappointment than the Steelers! Second, the article is based mostly on one anonymous players opinion. If it is really this bad, why aren't all the players speaking up?

Williams is obviously cocky, but he comes from the Buddy Ryan line, what do you expect? Parcells doesn't speak to players for long periods too, I don't hear anyone criticizing him for it.

This mystery player who spouts off to the paper is a jerk! Nobody on the defense is playing good, so that means this player is putting the blame on Williams and not taking it himself. Tackling was their biggest problem last week, not scheme.

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Here's why I can assure you it's not Taylor. The speaker is eloquent....excessively eloquent with a writer's wit and penchant for observation. Taylor scored a 6 on the wonderlic test. I love Taylor, but I just don't think he's capable of expressing himself in these terms.

Springs on the other hand is a very smart, very articulate guy who understands football on a high level. It's gotta be him. It has to be someone who has been here since the beginning. We now know the speaker is a starter. There's no way it's Rogers....he's not going anywhere. Who else could it be, Troy Vincent? It's totally Springs, who additionally is probably the one defensive player who can legitimately make these types of complaints without having to first answer questions about his own play.

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[quote=djnemo65;250434]Here's why I can assure you it's not Taylor. The speaker is eloquent....excessively eloquent with a writer's wit and penchant for observation. Taylor scored a 6 on the wonderlic test. I love Taylor, but I just don't think he's capable of expressing himself in these terms.

Springs on the other hand is a very smart, very articulate guy who understands football on a high level. It's gotta be him. It has to be someone who has been here since the beginning. We now know the speaker is a starter. There's no way it's Rogers....he's not going anywhere. Who else could it be, Troy Vincent? It's totally Springs, who additionally is probably the one defensive player who can legitimately make these types of complaints without having to first answer questions about his own play.[/quote]

Agree with everything you've said. Which makes it all the more telling that a player of the caliber of Springs feels it necessary to say such things. Coming from him, it carries a lot of weight. It tells you how bad things really are on this "D".

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I agree Springs. Look at how Dewayne Walker is made to look dumb. "pouting"? Danny do your thang to this guy. Pouting cause Jerry runs the show. You know corners are gonna idolize Jerry. Safeties coach was particulary criticized.

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[quote=djnemo65;250434]Here's why I can assure you it's not Taylor. The speaker is eloquent....excessively eloquent with a writer's wit and penchant for observation. Taylor scored a 6 on the wonderlic test. I love Taylor, but I just don't think he's capable of expressing himself in these terms.

Springs on the other hand is a very smart, very articulate guy who understands football on a high level. It's gotta be him. It has to be someone who has been here since the beginning. We now know the speaker is a starter. There's no way it's Rogers....he's not going anywhere. Who else could it be, Troy Vincent? It's totally Springs, who additionally is probably the one defensive player who can legitimately make these types of complaints without having to first answer questions about his own play.[/quote]

It's Springs, how the hell could it be Troy, when the "player" is talking about the CB and safety meetings being seperate during preseason, if Troy wasnt a Skin then???? I think it could also be AA, but AA seems like a pansy to me the way he talks, lol I doubt he has to balls to do this.

But seriously, whoever did this a player with a chip on his shoulder that knows the game well. I really dont think it is Taylor, bc he isnt the brightest apple, and I doubt it is Rogers, bc it sounds like vet talk.

It could be AA venting his frustration, but this player seems to know alot of about last year. I am not saying AA isnt aware of last years schemes, stats, etc, but it seems like whoever this source is, seems to be very comfortable in citing stuff from last year.

I seriously doubt it is AA, like most people here, I think it is Springs, only thing that makes me think it isnt him is the triple x radio report. If Springs contract is till 09, this is the only piece to the puzzle that doesnt fit.

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[quote=LadyT;250416]I'm very glad to hear that Gibbs went after Saunders and especially Williams. Sadly, I don't think GW will be able to inspire this "D" any more. He has lost them, and rightfully so, if even half of what's in that ESPN article is true. Gibbs would never treat players the way GW has. Maybe the team will rally for Gibbs, but they won't for GW. If GW feels a player isn't performing, his response is to give them the "silent treatment"??? Now, that sounds like future head coaching material, right?[/quote]

How about creating a safeties coach for sentimental personal reasons and then having them meet separately from the cornerbacks? Forget head coaching, that's coaching without a head, GW.

Yes, I am very, very glad to hear that Coach Gibbs went after Williams and Saunders. Gibbs will make the right decision. Williams' job security is tenuous at best. I agree that the reality is that he will not recover the players' respect, and he seems to have lost Gibbs' respect as well. GW is not going to be on the team next year in all likelihood. Saunders, I think he can make the case that the team will be ready to use his system next season, especially if we can find a new offensive tackle, perhaps with our first round draft choice.

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[quote=70Chip;250333]Any particular reason?[/quote]
[COLOR=black]Springs was the only player that came to mind as I was reading this article. First of all I felt that the anonymous player was a veteran who seems to be familiar with the way the league works, and had to have been here since Gibbs and Williams came aboard. The player seems to frustrated with the way things have been run since he's been here and he doesn't allude to the Spurrier and Marvin Lewis days so he has to have came in the same year as Williams. Some players are eliminated when mentioned by the player in the article and you are leaned towards a secondary player because of all of the in depth info given about the secondary...the comments just fit his personality. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I ain't mad at Shawn…he's just saying what everyone else is scared to say. He's not the only player that feels this way.[/COLOR]

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[quote=Redskins_P;250344]Exactly. Either Springs or Troy Vincent.[/quote]
The player seemed to be speaking from experience with the coaching staff. Whoever the player is was here when Williams came on board or came in the same year. I doubt if it's Vincent, he hasn't been here long enough and it doesn't seem to fit his personality. I am almost certain that it is Springs.

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couple of things..

this thing has been burning up every redskin website since it hit. it is huge.

but.. i find it odd that no one else other than espn has picked up on it.. not the post.. not the times.. i do not believe any of the local sports reporters.
the official site was mum.. it looks like only the XXX site worked the story even a little.

so, is this real, or is someone making up this crap to do a job on GW or the team? do you really think that gibbs would not know that the corners and the safeties were not meeting ? c'mon.. i might easily believe that of spurrier, but is it even remotely possible that gibbs would not know of this all season ? and that he would tolerate the open pouting of one of his coaches or a refusal of that coach to help out his players ??

i know that gibbs has given authority to AS and GW to run the offense and defense.. but gibbs was always a micromanager, could he stand to be that far away from so toxic a situation ? and allow it to go on all year ?

something is really rotten and i am not sure whether it is the skins defense or the story...

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[QUOTE=shallyshal;250444]couple of things..

this thing has been burning up every redskin website since it hit. it is huge.

but.. i find it odd that no one else other than espn has picked up on it.. not the post.. not the times.. i do not believe any of the local sports reporters.
the official site was mum.. it looks like only the XXX site worked the story even a little.

so, is this real, or is someone making up this crap to do a job on GW or the team? do you really think that gibbs would not know that the corners and the safeties were not meeting ? c'mon.. i might easily believe that of spurrier, but is it even remotely possible that gibbs would not know of this all season ? and that he would tolerate the open pouting of one of his coaches or a refusal of that coach to help out his players ??

i know that gibbs has given authority to AS and GW to run the offense and defense.. but gibbs was always a micromanager, could he stand to be that far away from so toxic a situation ? and allow it to go on all year ?

something is really rotten and i am not sure whether it is the skins defense or the story...[/QUOTE]

Pick what up? It was Friend's source. It's not like there was a press conference or anything.

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I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't really care who the source is.

A lot of the article is not based on what that player has to say, and a lot of the information is common knowledge: GW being an arrogant prick, the clusterfuck of a hundred different coaches not working together, the secondary being split and not meeting together, poor handling of personnel, bad FA signings and poor drafting.

A lot of this information can be picked up just watching the games or following the news and connecting the dots.

Plenty of other people in the league get it too. Bill Parcells (yes, the sworn enemy, but he knows his football) has made comments about the Skins fading offensive line and the "gadgety" offense. Ron Jaworski noted the same things about the O-line, and Jansen and Samuels in particular. The anonymous Colts player clearly has the same feelings about the predictable Redskins defense as the anonymous Redskins player. And what does the Colts player have to gain from comments like that? All I can figure is it's just an honest opinion.

And morale? No one should be shocked that morale at Redskins Park is at an all time low and that there are a lot of disgruntled players. This is a team that made it to the playoffs last year and had legitimate Super Bowl hopes this year, only to go 3-7. You think everyone is a little pissed off?

So maybe this anonymous player is Springs, or Taylor, or AA, or whoever. The fact is I doubt his sentiments are all that unique.

Anyone questioning the integrity of the article is really grasping at straws. I'm a die-hard fan too, but it's ok to admit when it looks like this team is circling the drain. It doesn't make you less of a fan or a "Godless Joe Gibbs Hater." Hollering that the article must be fake, or the author just hates the Skins, or the player is made up and his comments fabricated is just absurd. This is legitimate journalism, an actual article from a published, well respected magazine. It's not someone's blog, it's not a quick online article thrown up to sensationalize and draw readers. As far as I can tell it's a well thought out, well researched, well written examination of a team with some serious problems.

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sweet article. I am going on record as saying it sounds like a younger player. someone like Rogers. No way any of the vets rip the coaches like that. they stand up for themselves and call themselves out. Rogers started the mess last week saying it was the coaches fault he got burned by "the fastest guy in the league" 100 year old Galloway. i said in the beginning of the year there were too many cooks in the kitchen. What is the most frightening thing of that article is the Sean Taylor part. that he lost his confidence, that he doesn't play with instinct. that he doesn't listen to coaches, the safety coach has him playing like a robot. I definately see a difference in his play this year. GW has always been arrogant and like the player said, you need players, the scheme doesn't mean much if you dont have the players. I said that when they let pierce and smoot go, and arrington because of the way he played at the end of the year last year.
interesting point about carter, maybe he isn't that bad, maybe they just are not letting him do what he is best at?? arch, definately not being used as he should. when did cover 2 become reading the receivers?? you always play with you back to the endzone, watch the QB and respond accordingly. that seems like a guy with too much ego trying to come up with "his D" to land himself a D-coordinator job.

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I thought it was interesting to read that Prieloeau was supposed to start over Archuleta in game 1 (I never knew that) and that Reed Doughty is getting more reps than Arch this week. Also, I wonder about the part about how AC is being misused.

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had to be 1) springs, 2) prileau (since he's kind of watching from afar), 3) jimoh, 4) rogers, 5) washington...

the player is definitely someone that has been with the team for at least the past 2 or 3 years.

i think this article was dead-on. the coaching (especially on defense) has been absolutely horrendous this year. that 3rd down play against joey galloway was the worst play call i have EVER seen. WHY??? are we blitzing 9 guys and making it known. Not only that, we had taylor blitzing on the snap, down on the line, and then some kind of delayed blitz by the linebackers. awful! what's the need? just play straight up and let the defensive line try and get some pressure. hell... just play straight up. a young guy like gradkowski will make a mistake and throw it to the wrong team. i absolutely loved reading the article because it's not the players. we have more than good enough players on BOTH sides of the ball to be a playoff team. IT IS THE COACHES! a good coach will adjust to the players that they have and put them in places they can succeed. This is just ridiculous. gregg williams is a piece of sh*t as a coach.

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i don't think the player is a "younger" player. the reason is that the quotes from the player sounded like a savvy veteran who has been around a while and none of the quotes sounded very bitter at all. they sounded like an un-biased and truthful analysis of what has been going on. i don't think the "mole" is someone who had an agenda. i think it was someone like springs who has been through the ringer and doesn't have a chip on his shoulder and really has nothing to prove. it definitely wasn't someone like archuleta or rogers. rogers would've sounded a lot more bitter.

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It may well be Andre Carter. TAFKAS had a good catch there. Would a player other than Carter go out of his way to point out how unfair the system has been to him? I don't know.

As for Williams being arrogant, just about everyone connected with professional football is like that to some degree. Hell, just about everyone connected to pee-wee football is arrogant. I can remember sitting in a bar next to a youth coach who was talking about how he was the master of the single-wing or some such antiquated offense. He even had an assistant there playing the Smithers part. On and on he bragged. I rather enjoyed it.

When you win, it's confidence. When you lose, it's arrogance.

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[B]70chip - [/B][I]I don't think that Williams is as much to blame as the article makes out. He's playing Cover 2 to try to protect that horrendous secondary which won't meet together. Indeed, Cover 2 is not ideal for stopping the run, but good defenses do it all the time. Dallas comes to mind. Us, last year. I do think the blitzes are predictable, but the players can't expect a free run at the QB every time. Sometimes you have to work to get the QB.
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Yes Dallas gets great Run Defense in Cover 2. But Dallas runs a 3-4 not the Bear Defense – or 4-6 – that Williams runs. If your NT is playing well it is very hard to run on a 3-4 (but easier to get TE/LB mismatches) : Lots of big Jam ups at the line and 4 big hitters at LB waiting for the RB’s head to pop through. Our front three are all 300 pounders. They don’t move very far from the LOS.



[B]Jason72[/B] - [I]Parcells doesn't speak to players for long periods too, I don't hear anyone criticizing him for it.
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Actually Parcells goes out of his way to try and find out what makes a player tick so he can use that information to push the player into a better performance. He definately still micromanages. If there is one thing that I found really shocking it was that Gibbs doesn't micro manage anymore.


Ther has been an obvious breakdown in the Redskin Defense. It has to come from the top. There are too many things going wrong at the same time. Get rid of Williams and get a motivated coach in there - Jeff Fisher might become available he knows the Defense.....

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yea. i hear that parcells rips his players everyday. he even rips thm n there press conferences. like romo, he said that he was doing ok but he could be better.

parcells is a great coach.

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[quote=5RINGS;250473][B]70chip - [/B][I]I don't think that Williams is as much to blame as the article makes out. He's playing Cover 2 to try to protect that horrendous secondary which won't meet together. Indeed, Cover 2 is not ideal for stopping the run, but good defenses do it all the time. Dallas comes to mind. Us, last year. I do think the blitzes are predictable, but the players can't expect a free run at the QB every time. Sometimes you have to work to get the QB.[/I]

Yes Dallas gets great Run Defense in Cover 2. But Dallas runs a 3-4 not the Bear Defense – or 4-6 – that Williams runs. If your NT is playing well it is very hard to run on a 3-4 (but easier to get TE/LB mismatches) : Lots of big Jam ups at the line and 4 big hitters at LB waiting for the RB’s head to pop through. Our front three are all 300 pounders. They don’t move very far from the LOS.

.....[/quote]
The Dallas secondary would be every bit as shaky if they played behind the Skins front 7. Dallas can defend the run quite well from Cover 2 because they have a playoff quality front 7. They also have the horses to pressure the QB rushing only 4, especially since Ware has to be accounted for at all times.

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If Springs is "deep throat," I'd like to tell him to pack his bags and get the f--- out and not to let the door hit his ass on the way out. I liked Springs up until this point, but if it's him who talked all of this trash he needs to ride the bench. Who the hell does he think he is? He's old and perceived by many as a malcontent (talk to Seattle).

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As much as I've defended Williams, I am beginning to question my support for him. His deal with Arrington definately seemed personal. His deal with Arch certainly seems personal (Doughty starting over Arch?). Seems like Buffalo was right and Williams doesn't play well with others.

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Oh boy....when it's good it's good but when it's bad people will take a dump in your mouth.

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I have been saying all year long Williams has been losing games for us. I think he must have something against McIntosh. AA cant be as bad as they have made him out to be. I said this before they benched him, and you guys mauled me over it. Every game whether he is in there or not the same thing happens. Holdman sucks, why not try McIntosh. I have always thought our defenses under Williams were overrated. They depended to much on the blitz and turn overs. AA should be playing. I have never seen so many good players look bad. Taylor looks like he forgot how to play ball. As for the player being Springs, I don't think he is anywhere near the end of his contract.

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[quote=chris36;250487]I have been saying all year long Williams has been losing games for us. I think he must have something against McIntosh. AA cant be as bad as they have made him out to be. I said this before they benched him, and you guys mauled me over it. Every game whether he is in there or not the same thing happens. Holdman sucks, why not try McIntosh. I have always thought our defenses under Williams were overrated. They depended to much on the blitz and turn overs. AA should be playing. I have never seen so many good players look bad. Taylor looks like he forgot how to play ball. As for the player being Springs, I don't think he is anywhere near the end of his contract.[/quote]

So GW has missed tackles, dropped balls and blown coverages?

If you thought the '04 defense was overrated you haven't watched much football. The defense in the second half of last year was nasty too.

Re: Must-Read Article on GW and the Defense
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;250483]If Springs is "deep throat," I'd like to tell him to pack his bags and get the f--- out and not to let the door hit his ass on the way out. I liked Springs up until this point, but if it's him who talked all of this trash he needs to ride the bench. Who the hell does he think he is? He's old and perceived by many as a malcontent (talk to Seattle).[/quote]

Why should he be kicked out if he is speaking the truth? Either way it seems like he doesnt care if he is not on the team anymore, so this really doesnt matter.

Re: Must-Read Article on GW and the Defense
 

In 2004, and for that matter 2005 our offense was not putting up points, allowing teams to play us conservatively.