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[quote=hooskins;253860]I am surprised you dont feel that the Skins should go to the ProBowl in the offseason :laughing2[/quote]


hahahaha your not funny at all, your as funny as cancer. :(

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I have generally avoided these off-season threads 'cause, well, it's still IN season and, win or lose, I am going to enjoy these 16 weeks dammit. With that said -

Brunnell is here next year as the back up. Yes, carlosrodgers, Brunell's salary is 6.6 mill but his release fee is 4.3, so the net gain is only 2.3 million (and that's not even considering the likelihood of a renegotiation). While we could probably get someone as a street QB to come in, you completely overlook the fact that Gibbs loves Brunnell. He certainly is capable of managing the offense (not spectacularly but solidly) and provides the veteran back up Gibbs likes. We will probably get a 3rd string rookie/developmental QB.

So mark this one down - I'm with Hess on this one. No need to be insulting about the difference of opinion here. Clearly, when it comes to Brunnell, passions understandably get aroused.

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[QUOTE=carlosrogerisdaman22;253859]how can u move springs to fs, he cant even stay healthy at cb, fs is 40 times more physically . but its not 100% a bad idea . then we would need to starting cb if u move springs
WHO WILL BE THAT STARTING CB PAIN TRAIN?[/QUOTE]

Assuming we sign Clements or Gay.. Free safety isn't that much more physical than CB, they are the rovers, making plays down the field.. Strong safetys are the hitters (Reed, Polumalu, Lynch, Taylor) of the secondary..

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[quote=carlosrogerisdaman22;253877]hahahaha your not funny at all, your as funny as cancer. :([/quote]
I personally think I am a riot, but either way I got no hard feelings agaisnt ya man. You have a pretty baller ppd.

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[quote=Paintrain;253884]Assuming we sign Clements or Gay..[/quote]

do you UNDERstand ITS ALOOOOOOOOOOOOT CHEAP JUST TO keep springs ar c, and sign a safety , than to pay clements 50 million, and gay is not a starting cb he is nickle ,dime cb that is hurt alot, but can play vs no 3 or no 4 cbs.

dude stop thinking so hard

keep springs at cb. sign dion grant to play safety , sign gay to be the nickle dime guy.

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dude, I'm having a really hard time reading your posts!! slow down!!

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He can't he wants to beat the PPD record that PWNED set a while ago. God I hate that guy.....

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i dont care about records all i care about it talking redskins football

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all the time

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Here's a word - ADD

..... (I kid, I kid)...

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As for the rest of your predictions CR - Archuletta is not likely to go anywhere in '07 - cutting him (pre-july 1) means a 9M cap hit. That's a tough one to swallow. Even if they split it, it makes 2008 pretty tough.

Wynn may be gone but I expect that, as he is a Williams and locker room favorite, he will renegotiate or take a real money cut to stay. If not, I agree that he is likely gone.

Rumph, Wright - probably gone. Wright is only signed through this year anyway. Rumph can be cut with no salary cap implications.

I'll let the coaches figure out the Betts/Duckett/Sellers/Cartwright logjam. I expect we could live with either Betts or Duckett.

As for your FA's, I'll take your word on Redding until I hear otherwise. I don't see the Pats letting Gay or Graham go and, given our cap situation, I don't see us being able to afford Grant.

As for the draft, only two comments: 1) that's a pretty ambitious trade scenario and, while anything is possible, I just have not heard anything about this draft that would create the number of trading partners necessary to accomplish all of these trades. 2) A punter and kicker in rounds 3 and 5? I seriously doubt that's going to happen. Especially since I don't think that we will have the number of draft picks you are prediction.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;253910]As for the rest of your predictions CR - Archuletta is not likely to go anywhere in '07 - cutting him (pre-july 1) means a 9M cap hit. That's a tough one to swallow. Even if they split it, it makes 2008 pretty tough.

Wynn may be gone but I expect that, as he is a Williams and locker room favorite, he will renegotiate or take a real money cut to stay. If not, I agree that he is likely gone.

Rumph, Wright - probably gone. Wright is only signed through this year anyway. Rumph can be cut with no salary cap implications.

I'll let the coaches figure out the Betts/Duckett/Sellers/Cartwright logjam. I expect we could live with either Betts or Duckett.

As for your FA's, I'll take your word on Redding until I hear otherwise. I don't see the Pats letting Gay or Graham go and, given our cap situation, I don't see us being able to afford Grant.

As for the draft, only two comments: 1) that's a pretty ambitious trade scenario and, while anything is possible, I just have not heard anything about this draft that would create the number of trading partners necessary to accomplish all of these trades. 2) A punter and kicker in rounds 3 and 5? I seriously doubt that's going to happen. Especially since I don't think that we will have the number of draft picks you are prediction.[/quote]

WAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! :drink :drink This makes me sad. I want them all to stay!!!

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;253912]WAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! :drink :drink This makes me sad. I want them all to stay!!![/QUOTE]

You did see that I agreed with you on Brunell? See, I am not a meanie red-head basher all the time.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;253879]I have generally avoided these off-season threads 'cause, well, it's still IN season and, win or lose, I am going to enjoy these 16 weeks dammit. With that said -

Brunnell is here next year as the back up. Yes, carlosrodgers, Brunell's salary is 6.6 mill but his release fee is 4.3, so the net gain is only 2.3 million (and that's not even considering the likelihood of a renegotiation). While we could probably get someone as a street QB to come in, you completely overlook the fact that Gibbs loves Brunnell. He certainly is capable of managing the offense (not spectacularly but solidly) and provides the veteran back up Gibbs likes. We will probably get a 3rd string rookie/developmental QB.

So mark this one down - I'm with Hess on this one. No need to be insulting about the difference of opinion here. Clearly, when it comes to Brunnell, passions understandably get aroused.[/quote]

:goodjob:

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[quote=JoeRedskin;253910]As for the rest of your predictions CR - Archuletta is not likely to go anywhere in '07 - cutting him (pre-july 1) means a 9M cap hit. That's a tough one to swallow. Even if they split it, it makes 2008 pretty tough.

Wynn may be gone but I expect that, as he is a Williams and locker room favorite, he will renegotiate or take a real money cut to stay. If not, I agree that he is likely gone.

Rumph, Wright - probably gone. Wright is only signed through this year anyway. Rumph can be cut with no salary cap implications.

I'll let the coaches figure out the Betts/Duckett/Sellers/Cartwright logjam. I expect we could live with either Betts or Duckett.

As for your FA's, I'll take your word on Redding until I hear otherwise. I don't see the Pats letting Gay or Graham go and, given our cap situation, I don't see us being able to afford Grant.

As for the draft, only two comments: 1) that's a pretty ambitious trade scenario and, while anything is possible, I just have not heard anything about this draft that would create the number of trading partners necessary to accomplish all of these trades. 2) A punter and kicker in rounds 3 and 5? I seriously doubt that's going to happen. Especially since I don't think that we will have the number of draft picks you are prediction.[/quote]

I was just about to say literally everything you just said, with the addition of a few things

-We wouldnt restructure Cooleys or Taylors contracts-they still hace their rookie contracts to finish
-Why would we want a new punter? Frost has been money all season
-I like the Reding signing, but if we do that we wouldnt draft a DE
-You failed to recognize our DT problem, Saleve'a is junk, Golston is good but not a starter
-Gay is very injury prone- unless we can get him in a deal that costs a small amount of money, I wouldnt
-Where do you the value of the contracts from?

I think you did a good job of researching, but I don't get your logic on alot of things, too many to mention specifics.

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As for the brunell situation, I think we should wait it out, and hope he retires so we dont have to take the cap hit, if not we should release him, hes not doing anything, he'd still be a high paid player if his contract is restructured because of his prestige and the fact that we know he wont take a long term contract, and his skill decreases year but year

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[QUOTE=carlosrogerisdaman22;253894]do you UNDERstand ITS ALOOOOOOOOOOOOT CHEAP JUST TO keep springs ar c, and sign a safety , than to pay clements 50 million, and gay is not a starting cb he is nickle ,dime cb that is hurt alot, but can play vs no 3 or no 4 cbs.

dude stop thinking so hard

keep springs at cb. sign dion grant to play safety , sign gay to be the nickle dime guy.[/QUOTE]
Since when has being cheap been an offseaon issue for the Redskins? '$=Cap'-Vinny Cerrato..

Deon Grant is adequate at best at safety, paying Clements won't be a problem.. He's a bit inconsistent but I'd feel better with Clements, Springs, Taylor, Rogers than Springs, Rogers, Taylor, Grant. We also don't know how Taylor, who is a headcase, will relate to Grant but he and Springs already have a history together..

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[quote=hesscl34;253919]:goodjob:[/quote]
ok tell brunell to take a 5 million $ pay cut then :food-smil

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[quote=Paintrain;253927]Since when has being cheap been an offseaon issue for the Redskins? '$=Cap'-Vinny Cerrato..

Deon Grant is adequate at best at safety, paying Clements won't be a problem.. He's a bit inconsistent but I'd feel better with Clements, Springs, Taylor, Rogers than Springs, Rogers, Taylor, Grant. We also don't know how Taylor, who is a headcase, will relate to Grant but he and Springs already have a history together..[/quote]

redskins dont have the cash to pay clements, if you pay him 55 mill
then forgeet about signing the first round pick , dockery is lost, betts and duckett, and no other free agents sign.

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[quote=carlosrogerisdaman22;253935]redskins dont have the cash to pay clements, if you pay him 55 mill
then forgeet about signing the first round pick , dockery is lost, betts and duckett, and no other free agents sign.[/quote]

clements first year would only cost 3-4mill, that's brunell and wynn. i don't think dock betts and duckett are going to get the deals you think they'll get.

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also, we only have a 1, 5, 6, 7 this year, so how are we going to draft all those guys? and why bother with podesh when Sepulveda is available in the 5th and brandon fields might be undrafted?

crosby is going in the 2nd and wilson probably goes in the 3rd, they're both the types that raise as the draft gets closer. why get lamar when we might have a shot at a guy like gaines? woodley's probably a better fit for a 3-4, which we haven't really used. otherwise you've got a small (weight and height) DE without great speed, or a big LB without good speed.

daniels is 33 and wynn is 32, so i don't know where you did your research on that. you also don't give contract's to guys still on rookie deals generally. cooley's not going to be worth much more next year than he is this year, so that's just throwing away cap space for no reason. no to mention it'd be impossible to take archuleta's hit then go around and overpay ANOTHER safety. did you even run the numbers before putting that post up? how do you hand out that many big contracts, resign our players, and take arch's cap hit and stay under? you do NOT pay you're #2 TE 3mill per unless he's superman.

you can't trade down like that (when's the last time a single team has traded down 4 times in one round), not to mention denver has the option to force a trade down if we're too close. oh yeah, woodley is going closer to the 15th overall pick than the 30th, so you'd need to pick another player there too.

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[QUOTE=carlosrogerisdaman22;253935]redskins dont have the cash to pay clements, if you pay him 55 mill
then forgeet about signing the first round pick , dockery is lost, betts and duckett, and no other free agents sign.[/QUOTE]

Okay, if your are going to make claims like these you really should break down the numbers if you want to be taken seriously:

- Where you getting the 55M number on Clements AND how are you asserting the contract will be structured?

- IF you are seriously suggesting that Gibbs & Co. are incapable of restructuring existing contracts and new contracts in a manner that would enable them to sign clements, a first round pick, dockery and (betts or duckett), THEN please tell me what you expect each to demand in a signing bonus and tell me why Brunnell, Wynn, Samuels, Jansen and/or a host of other existing contracts can't be restructured or terminated to accomodate these bonuses. Otherwise you are really just talking out your ass.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;253958]also, we only have a 1, 5, 6, 7 this year, so how are we going to draft all those guys? and why bother with podesh when Sepulveda is available in the 5th and brandon fields might be undrafted?

crosby is going in the 2nd and wilson probably goes in the 3rd, they're both the types that raise as the draft gets closer. why get lamar when we might have a shot at a guy like gaines? woodley's probably a better fit for a 3-4, which we haven't really used. otherwise you've got a small (weight and height) DE without great speed, or a big LB without good speed.[/QUOTE]

Uh oh CarlosR - you have invoked the analytical draft wrath of That Guy. I fear that your doom approaches.

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i like your ideas carlosrogersisdaman, but i think frost has been pretty good this year and we dont need to draft a punter

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as far as f.a goes i would only sign gibrail wilson from the giants, hes a beast he can cover and hes young and sign a young less expensive cb like gay from patriots

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[quote=carlosrogerisdaman22;253932]ok tell brunell to take a 5 million $ pay cut then :food-smil[/quote]

He'll do it for Joe and the Redskins!!! :benched:

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[quote=JoeRedskin;253960]Okay, if your are going to make claims like these you really should break down the numbers if you want to be taken seriously:

- Where you getting the 55M number on Clements AND how are you asserting the contract will be structured?

- IF you are seriously suggesting that Gibbs & Co. are incapable of restructuring existing contracts and new contracts in a manner that would enable them to sign clements, a first round pick, dockery and (betts or duckett), THEN please tell me what you expect each to demand in a signing bonus and tell me why Brunnell, Wynn, Samuels, Jansen and/or a host of other existing contracts can't be restructured or terminated to accomodate these bonuses. Otherwise you are really just talking out your ass.[/quote]


simple last offseason clements was a free agent the bills franchised him he was looking for a 60 milion deal
champ bailey got 64 Mill 3 years ago , Clements want 55-60 million , they are abou tthe same age.

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[quote=charlielyons;253977]as far as f.a goes i would only sign gibrail wilson from the giants, hes a beast he can cover and hes young and sign a young less expensive cb like gay from patriots[/quote]


wilson is over rated , he gets punked in the running game is basically an under sized safety .

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[quote=Big C;253962]i like your ideas carlosrogersisdaman, but i think frost has been pretty good this year and we dont need to draft a punter[/quote]


frost are u kidding me lol , the guy that kicks the ball 35 yards a punt lol
frost cant get a job on any other nfl team

this punter from maryland kicks the ball 50 yard like its nothing, and hav a long of 71 this year.

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[quote=That Guy;253958]also, we only have a 1, 5, 6, 7 this year, so how are we going to draft all those guys? and why bother with podesh when Sepulveda is available in the 5th and brandon fields might be undrafted?

crosby is going in the 2nd and wilson probably goes in the 3rd, they're both the types that raise as the draft gets closer. why get lamar when we might have a shot at a guy like gaines? woodley's probably a better fit for a 3-4, which we haven't really used. otherwise you've got a small (weight and height) DE without great speed, or a big LB without good speed.

daniels is 33 and wynn is 32, so i don't know where you did your research on that. you also don't give contract's to guys still on rookie deals generally. cooley's not going to be worth much more next year than he is this year, so that's just throwing away cap space for no reason. no to mention it'd be impossible to take archuleta's hit then go around and overpay ANOTHER safety. did you even run the numbers before putting that post up? how do you hand out that many big contracts, resign our players, and take arch's cap hit and stay under? you do NOT pay you're #2 TE 3mill per unless he's superman.

you can't trade down like that (when's the last time a single team has traded down 4 times in one round), not to mention denver has the option to force a trade down if we're too close. oh yeah, woodley is going closer to the 15th overall pick than the 30th, so you'd need to pick another player there too.[/quote]


redskins traded down like 3 times in 2002 when we got ramsey at 32 ,maybe we trade down 3 times ok, but we get young skilled players FOR CHEAP . gaines adams to me is a little over rated, he is not very good in the run he weights less that woodley , wood is 6-1 274 , adams is 6-5 260, adams has a body like carter. and woodley has a body like merriman .

wynn is done, daniels has very litle left in the tank.
the 49ers gave vernon davis 25 million? and his a damn rookie :argue:

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[quote=carlosrogerisdaman22;254039]redskins traded down like 3 times in 2002 when we got ramsey at 32 ,maybe we trade down 3 times ok, but we get young skilled players FOR CHEAP . gaines adams to me is a little over rated, he is not very good in the run he weights less that woodley , wood is 6-1 274 , adams is 6-5 260, adams has a body like carter. and woodley has a body like merriman .

wynn is done, daniels has very litle left in the tank.
the 49ers gave vernon davis 25 million? and his a damn rookie :argue:[/quote]

davis was a top 5 pick and he's also their #1 TE, not their #2, so i fail to see how that has to do with anything i mentioned. we can't trade down 3 times cause the broncos get a free exchange of picks, and again, if lamar is a top 15-20 pick, how do we get him at 30? i didn't say anything about wynn or daniels besides that you got their ages wrong, whether they're done or not has nothing to do with what i mentioned either. (btw, in hindsight trading down and bypassing charles grant, javon walker, and ed reed for ramsey looks like a REALLY smart decision now, doesn't it?)

it is funny that you talk about getting players cheap when your plan involves giving out another massive round of contracts to everyone under the sun though.

who we pick (for me) would depend on who's available, but the best DE available has to be considered. getting 3 lesser players may not be a good trade off if we end up with a hole at the starting spot when the dust clears.


the FAs available and worth considering are basically clements, some LBs (which wouldn't be a bad pickup), josh brown (K), and a cheap safety (which are always around). OL depth would be nice too, but honestly a late 2nd/early 3rd is the best place to pick a guy up without spending a ton for a bench player.

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[QUOTE=carlosrogerisdaman22;254036]frost are u kidding me lol , the guy that kicks the ball 35 yards a punt lol
frost cant get a job on any other nfl team

this punter from maryland kicks the ball 50 yard like its nothing, and hav a long of 71 this year.[/QUOTE]

frost has been getting it consistently inside the 20 and is averaging over 42 per punt, thats not bad. he is definitely much improved from last year

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[QUOTE=carlosrogerisdaman22;254028]simple last offseason clements was a free agent the bills franchised him he was looking for a 60 milion deal
champ bailey got 64 Mill 3 years ago , Clements want 55-60 million , they are abou tthe same age.[/QUOTE]

As I said, how are you structuring the money? He wants 60M in the first year? The first three years? Neither of those are gonna happen. Not from us, not from anybody.

Again, you fail to explain how contracts will be structured or the specific financial year by year implications of your proposed actions.