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The problem is we would have to re-sign him at a nice chunk of change, and who knows if he would even be open to that. You'd have to think he will be eager to test the free agent waters and who can blame him? He deserves the shot at a starting job and it's not going to happen here.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;255500]The franchise tag would require us to devote the average salary of the five most highly paid backs in the NFL to our salary cap. If a team signed Betts, we'd be entitled to two first round picks (or otherwise negotiated compensation). We would never franchise Betts because no team is going to deem him worthy of a deal commanded by the top 5 RBs in the league.

The transition tag means we have to tender the average salary of the top 10 backs in the league. We get the right to match any contract, but if we let him go, we get no compensation.

I originally posed the idea, but after thinking about it, tagging him is not a realistic option. Probably going to have to let him walk.[/QUOTE]

I agree, tagging him probably doesn't make much sense. I think he'll be gone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;255506]Portis is the better back but we can win with Betts.[/quote]

What is the basis for this comment? Washington is 2-6 when Betts is the starter. He's nowhere near the complete player that Portis is and he's far less durable. And those of you that seem to think quality backs are a dime a dozen must not have noticed all the blitz pickups that Betts missed yesterday.

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[quote=Schneed10;255500]The franchise tag would require us to devote the average salary of the five most highly paid backs in the NFL to our salary cap. If a team signed Betts, we'd be entitled to two first round picks (or otherwise negotiated compensation). We would never franchise Betts because no team is going to deem him worthy of a deal commanded by the top 5 RBs in the league.

The transition tag means we have to tender the average salary of the top 10 backs in the league. We get the right to match any contract, but if we let him go, we get no compensation.

I originally posed the idea, but after thinking about it, tagging him is not a realistic option. Probably going to have to let him walk.[/quote]Until the owners work out the whole use of poison pills issue, using the transition tag at all is just asking for trouble.

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Yeah, Betts might have vision problems, cause he never picks up the right blitzer. He needs to stand further behind the line, cause the linebackers run right by him half the time. Poor JC

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Betts has been very very impressive these last couple weeks. I'd wager we're all pretty shocked, as he's been merely productive in the past. He might be like Stephen Davis and just explode for a couple of years.

My guess, though, is it will never benefit the Redskins. Good luck, Mr. Betts!

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I'd like to see Betts stay, but if it requires anything more than a 5mil bonus, I don't think it would be smart cap mgmt.
Our first priority on O should be resigning Dockery, he played a great game yesterday & is coming into his own. Keep the O-line together & resign him!
Today' Washpost mentioned that Betts' agent has been working on an extension all season. It might be a moral victory just to see us resign one of our guys by season's end, but I don't see it, he'll test the mkt. I agree the Jets are a possibility, also Philly.

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[quote=Schneed10;255500]The franchise tag would require us to devote the average salary of the five most highly paid backs in the NFL to our salary cap. If a team signed Betts, we'd be entitled to two first round picks (or otherwise negotiated compensation). We would never franchise Betts because no team is going to deem him worthy of a deal commanded by the top 5 RBs in the league.

The transition tag means we have to tender the average salary of the top 10 backs in the league. We get the right to match any contract, but if we let him go, we get no compensation.

I originally posed the idea, but after thinking about it, tagging him is not a realistic option. Probably going to have to let him walk.[/quote]

Thanks for clearing this up. Very disturbing if he walks and we get nothing in return.

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I've heard from my top notch, inside sources that the ink is nearly dry on a new contract for Betts. I have no details but should I find any out I will let you know

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[quote=TAFKAS;255884]I've heard from my top notch, inside sources that the ink is nearly dry on a new contract for Betts. I have no details but should I find any out I will let you know[/quote]

My initial reaction was joy when I heard this, but when I hear that he's going to get a 100mil contract I might shoot myself.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;255886]My initial reaction was joy when I heard this, but when I hear that he's going to get a 100mil contract I might shoot myself.[/QUOTE]

Lol. Don't worry I can't see his contract being a penny more than $50mil.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;255890]Lol. Don't worry I can't see his contract being a penny more than $50mil.[/quote]


My only concern is how are we going to get better with a ton of money tied up in our Rb's and WR's? I hope Betts stays but what is his cash value? Most back-up RB's are probably making 1 million or less.

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Sometimes I wonder just how durable Clinton Portis is going to be. Yeah, he's young -- but playing running back can many times take the youth right out a guy.

Not saying he's on the verge of calling it a career, but the wear and tear can pile up quicker on some guys. Remember, it was just a few seasons for Stephen Davis as the primary runner...

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Today's WashPost (see the link on the Warpath about Novak being cut, end of article under "notebook") reported that a deal is near done. I don't know whether to be happy or scared that he signed for too much. It must be a good deal for him to not test the market.

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Could be a sign-and-trade. I guess better to spend a little extra to get some trade value out of it than to get nothing at all. However, I can't imagine why Betts would not want to test the market.

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[quote=onlydarksets;255985]Could be a sign-and-trade. I guess better to spend a little extra to get some trade value out of it than to get nothing at all. However, I can't imagine why Betts would not want to test the market.[/quote]

Trade deadline has passed, and it would make little to no sense for another team to try & deal for him now when he'd be a fa in march. Only way that makes sense is if a team really thinks it will be a bidding war

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It would be smart of the team to try to lock him up now, they could always deal him down the road or keep him depending on interest from other teams.

In this league you almost need two RBs capable of carrying the load.

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[quote=Mattyk72;255990]It would be smart of the team to try to lock him up now, they could always deal him down the road or keep him depending on interest from other teams.

In this league you almost need two RBs capable of carrying the load.[/quote]

agreed, just hope that he & his agent aren't milkin DS. My guess is that he gets 7-8 mil. guaranteed over 3 years, unless they sign a 1 yr. deal.

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The title of this thread shold be "will we have any money left (under the salary cap) after we sign Betts."
I want Betts on the team, but for a reasonable amount of money.

Matty- It is proven every year runningback is the easiest position to fill in the draft. It is the easiest position for an NCAA player to transfer quickly into the NFL. Other posititions takes more time to develop.

Our number 1 priority this coming offseason is improving the defense. Offensive players, especially runningbacks are easier to find than good, young, cheap defensive players.
Lets not break the bank to sign a backup RB. We have a history of overpaying for players. Lets stop that trend.

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am i the only one that saw numerous 10-15 yard gains by betts, and thought Clinton makes a cut and goes for a big gainer. betts is nothing more than a solid back up. and should be paid accordingly. paying him anymore than that screws up the integrity of our salary cap

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I agree, we don't want to overpay (again) for a backup rb, but we need to resign some of our guys, e.g. Dockery & Betts, to maintain some continuity & allow the team's chemistry to evlovle. I'm really curious about the #s they've offered betts.

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[quote=freddyg12;255989]Trade deadline has passed, and it would make little to no sense for another team to try & deal for him now when he'd be a fa in march. Only way that makes sense is if a team really thinks it will be a bidding war[/quote]

You can't trade him now - I'm talking about signing him so that we could trade him after the season. If we let him walk, we get nothing. It doesn't have to be a bidding war - Snyder can afford to pay a little premium on Betts now in order to be able to trade him for something down the road. It's better than nothing.

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I felt like Betts started changing direction better (than I've seen before) sometime during the Carolina game. Comments?

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I would definitely prefer to see them let Betts go. I wouldn't want us to tie up valuable cap space in a guy that we could easily replace. I mean, we're talking about a #2 back. What are the chances CP is going to go down again next year? He's been pretty consistent health wise throughout his career.

We could easily get a #2 back through the draft for less money. Look at how many young backs have been successful this year...Norwood(ugh), Maurice-Drew, Maroney, Addai, Bell, and D. Williams. I'm sure there are others. Some of those may have been first rounders, but surely we could find a solid #2 in the later rounds.

I'm not saying I want Betts to leave, I just don't want us to tie up alot of money in him when he'll see minimal playing time when CP is healthy.

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If by "consistent" you mean "banged up", then, yes, CP's health has been consistent. He was a couple of hits away from the IR at the end of last season, too.

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[quote=onlydarksets;256083]You can't trade him now - I'm talking about signing him so that we could trade him after the season. If we let him walk, we get nothing. It doesn't have to be a bidding war - Snyder can afford to pay a little premium on Betts now in order to be able to trade him for something down the road. It's better than nothing.[/quote]

possible, but a contract would have to be signed that would be cap friendly if we were to trade him, something his agent is unlikely to advise him to do, since then he would have less control over his destiny. If we trade him but take a cap hit it we may still lose more.

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Unless it's a short-term contract (1-2 years). I'm not sure I understand how the Skins could structure this contract so that it both (1) benefits them if they want to trade Betts and (2) is something that Betts would actually sign. However, I stopped second-guessing Danny-boy's ability to structure contracts so as to minimize cap hits a long time ago.

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[quote=mike340;256087]I felt like Betts started changing direction better (than I've seen before) sometime during the Carolina game. Comments?[/quote]

I think he's always been a very good one cut back. He's quick to hit holes and he's generally pretty decisive. After that one cut he doesn't offer much in the open field other than a spin move here or there.

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[quote=onlydarksets;256093]If by "consistent" you mean "banged up", then, yes, CP's health has been consistent. He was a couple of hits away from the IR at the end of last season, too.[/quote]


What running back isn't banged up by the end of the year? He practically carried us into the playoffs last year while rushing for over 1500 yds, again. On 352 carries no less. He played in all 16 games and two playoff games, no IR. So yeah, in my opinion, he has been pretty consistent when it comes to being healthy. He's just been unlucky this year with injuries.

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[quote=Mattyk72;256142]I think he's always been a very good one cut back. He's quick to hit holes and he's generally pretty decisive. After that one cut he doesn't offer much in the open field other than a spin move here or there.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. Plus he doesn't seem to break too many tackles. For his size I would think he would be a just a bit tougher to bring down.

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[quote=Hog's Breath;256159]What running back isn't banged up by the end of the year? He practically carried us into the playoffs last year while rushing for over 1500 yds, again. On 352 carries no less. He played in all 16 games and two playoff games, no IR. So yeah, in my opinion, he has been pretty consistent when it comes to being healthy. He's just been unlucky this year with injuries.[/quote]

Who said he didn't carry us into the playoffs? It doesn't mean he wasn't playing hurt. He's a trooper, no doubt, but that doesn't change the fact that he wore down a lot last year, had a rash of injuries this year, and could use the backup help to reduce his workload.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;255400]Get draft picks for him.........portis is better no matter what anyone says. Although I have loved Bett's performance over the last few weeks.[/QUOTE]



It's not likely we'll get DP for a player that's going to be a free agent in just a few more weeks. Since Portis is our #1 back, I don't know how much the team is willing to pay Betts who will still be a back-up if signed. He's obviously playing for a contract, and while his play has been inspired the last couple weeks, he's still lacking the one thing he needs to be a every down back in this league, and that's blocking. He can run, and he can catch, but blocking in the passing game is where he's lacking, and Portis excells. We have a dilema on our hands, going into the off season with two running backs (both back-up's) in a contract year.

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yea hes a beast id like to see him stay but not a starting job over cp

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[quote=Defensewins;256022]The title of this thread shold be "will we have any money left (under the salary cap) after we sign Betts."
I want Betts on the team, but for a reasonable amount of money.

Matty- It is proven every year runningback is the easiest position to fill in the draft. It is the easiest position for an NCAA player to transfer quickly into the NFL. Other posititions takes more time to develop.

Our number 1 priority this coming offseason is improving the defense. Offensive players, especially runningbacks are easier to find than good, young, cheap defensive players.
Lets not break the bank to sign a backup RB. We have a history of overpaying for players. Lets stop that trend.[/quote]

Exactly. Defense is and should be the # priority.

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Since you put it that way, I can see where you're coming from. With that many carries I guess the chances of him missing soem time are greater. And I don't see JG reducing the touches next year.

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[quote=onlydarksets;256083]You can't trade him now - I'm talking about signing him so that we could trade him after the season. If we let him walk, we get nothing. It doesn't have to be a bidding war - Snyder can afford to pay a little premium on Betts now in order to be able to trade him for something down the road. It's better than nothing.[/quote]If we sign him and trade him, we eat his entire signing bonus under the 07 cap (or we can split it with 08, our choice). It makes little sense to sign him and then turn around and deal him. If you give him the bonus, you might as well play him.

We could give him a one year deal with no signing bonus, but he's not going to sign a deal that makes it easy for us to trade him if he can just sign somewhere else.

If you let him walk, you get nothing, but you also stay out of an even worse situation with the cap, which should be our goal next year.

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[quote=NFLNetwork;255278]With every game (especially today against the falcons) Ladell Betts' value on the Free Agent market grows. Will we be able to retain him with a contract offer??? By the end of the year, he may have close to 1,000 yards. That would make him a hot commodity considering he's a great pass catching back as well.[/quote]

We shoudl not keep both betts and portis- unless he comes on the cheap- which he won't. he's gonna want to be someone's starter. the skins are portis' show...too much ego adn too mcuh salary in this town for 2 starters. Here's an idea, save the money and spend it on needs...or let portis go (tough to do) and do the same thing...we dont need both.

we aren't talking an antonio pierce situation here...who was the key to the D, we are talking about a back up RB (with talent)- but we already have a very capable starter...Betts is great, but we should not keep both.
Portis should only need a brief spell from a game- not to split time