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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;259415]Those were good moves. Especially Cooley. But anyone can go get a bunch of FA's if you have an owner that will spend for bonuses. It doesn't take a brillant FO person to get FA's. And if you ask me the jury is still out on Taylor. He really must improve on coverage and being a more disiplined player. But the bad moves are so bad that it's not even funny. They are just horrible moves. The Duckett move was the last straw for me. How does someone who is away from it for 11 years all of a sudden come in off the street and have complete control over personel? Makes no sense. Just coach the team. He's having a hard enough time doing that. Dick Vermeil didn't get full control when he came back. And he was at least doing broadcasting. But where are the 3rd and 4th round gems? Where are Marcus Colston's? Where are the Demarcus Ware's? This is what Bobby B. was so good at. Bottom line is hire a GM and make that person have complete control over personel and leave Gibbs to coaching.[/QUOTE]

Well, just about every team passed on Colston over and over again. And Ware wasn't exactly a midround steal. He was a first round pick.

But really, the most interesting point you bring up is Duckett. Because I think this is one case where Gibbs the coach is at fault, not Gibbs the President. The move to get Duckett was good. A young, powerful back who has proven he can play in the league and could spell Portis and be insurance should Betts test the market (which of course didn't happen)

For whatever reason though, Duckett barely saw the field but I really don't think Gibbs the President traded for him thinking Gibbs the Player had no place for him on the field.

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[quote=TAFKAS;259420]Well, just about every team passed on Colston over and over again. And Ware wasn't exactly a midround steal. He was a first round pick.

But really, the most interesting point you bring up is Duckett. Because I think this is one case where Gibbs the coach is at fault, not Gibbs the President. The move to get Duckett was good. A young, powerful back who has proven he can play in the league and could spell Portis and be insurance should Betts test the market (which of course didn't happen)

For whatever reason though, Duckett barely saw the field but I really don't think Gibbs the President traded for him thinking Gibbs the Player had no place for him on the field.[/quote]

Sorry but giving up a 3rd rounder for him is just absurd. When you have injuries back-ups come in and perform. You see it all around the league. Devry Henderson sure played well in place of Horn on Sun didn't he? Plus they could have used Sellers as a big back. He was running very well during the preseason. If you wanted to bring in Duckett fine. Bring him in after the season is over and get him for nothing. Plus, (and this is the big thing for me) Duckett does not play teams. If you are a back-up YOU MUST play teams. He is just not a versitile enough player that could justify a 3rd round pick. If we draft someone in the 3rd round chances are that player is going to play teams. Right? PLUS if Gibbs looked at the film he would have saw that Rock C. could run if needed. So that move was just a waste.

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[quote=skinsfan69;259426]Sorry but giving up a 3rd rounder for him is just absurd. When you have injuries back-ups come in and perform. You see it all around the league. Devry Henderson sure played well in place of Horn on Sun didn't he? Plus they could have used Sellers as a big back. He was running very well during the preseason. If you wanted to bring in Duckett fine. Bring him in after the season is over and get him for nothing. Plus, (and this is the big thing for me) Duckett does not play teams. If you are a back-up YOU MUST play teams. He is just not a versitile enough player that could justify a 3rd round pick. If we draft someone in the 3rd round chances are that player is going to play teams. Right? PLUS if Gibbs looked at the film he would have saw that Rock C. could run if needed. So that move was just a waste.[/quote]I agree that the Duckett move was a bad move, but only because the back acquired was the wrong guy.

TAF's point is that Coach Joe Gibbs noticed a need for a quality running back, so he pulled the trigger on Duckett. But it was Team President Joe Gibbs who made the mistake. Some simple film study would have shown that Duckett doesn't run like a big back. He's timid, tiptoes, takes forever to get from the I to the line, and is best in open space. We already had Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright who are both probably better runners than Duckett. And the 3rd was probably far too much to send for him. I think Gibbs was willing to pay for a name that defenses would respect if Portis couldn't play, but a 3rd could have bought a much better player than Duckett, a borderline bust.

Coach Gibbs was trying to fill a need. Someone should have been there to point out that Duckett wasn't going to fill our need.

Luckily for us, Betts stepped up and filled the need, so the only thing we are out is a 3rd round pick.

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I'm not even sure what my point was anymore. Basically, good move to go after another back (though I agree Sellers should have gotten more of a chance) but bad move in the use of the move

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[quote=TAFKAS;259448]I'm not even sure what my point was anymore. Basically, good move to go after another back (though I agree Sellers should have gotten more of a chance) but bad move in the use of the move[/quote]I think if you are attributing the necessity for the move to Portis' injury, I think that is a fair point. Sellers doesn't have the rep that would make D's respect the run if Portis had to be IRed before the season. But TJ Duckett? That's the problem. Michael Bennett was available, as was Thomas Jones. TJ Duckett just isn't a good power back.

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[quote=skinsfan69;259269]If this was anyone else he would be run out of town.[/quote]But the point is that its not anyone else, its Joe Gibbs.

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[quote=dgack;259315]He's accountable for it, but I'm not so sure he's responsible for it. There's a big difference.[/quote]Indeed. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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[quote=GTripp0012;259451]But TJ Duckett? That's the problem. Michael Bennett was available, as was Thomas Jones. TJ Duckett just isn't a good power back.[/quote]

I think the Bears realized what they had with Jones (who signed a monster contract right before they drafted Benson) once it became clear that Benson was unreliable. I'm sure they wouldn't have parted with him cheaply.

Mike "Chandelier" Bennett? No thanks. The last thing we need around here is another guy who breaks when you look at him sideways.

Remember that Duckett was Atlanta's version of Jerome Bettis at one point and was only forestalled from becoming the feature back there because Warrick Dunn keeps coming back each year and playing strong when by all accounts he should be reading his AARP subscription and playing shuffleboard. I think Duckett was a great "Gibbs back", I'm just puzzled why he wasn't thrown into the mix.

Of course I've said it before, the few times Sellers has gotten carries in the red zone I got dollar signs in my eyes. He's a bad man, and I have no idea why we haven't been using him in that capacity, either.

But then again, for as much as I love Joe, he admits now to something I thought odd a few years ago; namely completely misjudging how good of a back Betts is. So I guess it's entirely possible he just hasn't figured out yet that Sellers + red zone = paydirt (+ bonus punishment for any defenders unlucky enough to be between him and said paydirt).

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[quote=GTripp0012;259456]But the point is that its not anyone else, its Joe Gibbs.[/quote]

I understand but the past doesn't buy you anything. He has shown no ability to judge personel. Some of the teams w/ good GM's are just laughing at us. I mean Gibbs said Desmond Howard had no weaknesses.

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[quote=skinsfan69;259497]I understand but the past doesn't buy you anything. He has shown no ability to judge personel. Some of the teams w/ good GM's are just laughing at us. I mean Gibbs said Desmond Howard had no weaknesses.[/quote]

He's flat out said his job is to bring in guys who have the intangibles and character we are allegedly looking for. This is why I suspect a lot of the player evaluation stuff is coming from other people who he's delegated to and trusts. Also why I say he's still accountable, but probably not ultimately responsible for a lot of the bad player evaluations.

Unfortunately the only way that problem gets solved is for whomever that trust/power/responsibility has been delegated to, to be removed, and it will take a lot of high profile screwups for that to happen.

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[quote=dgack;259505]He's flat out said his job is to bring in guys who have the intangibles and character we are allegedly looking for. This is why I suspect a lot of the player evaluation stuff is coming from other people who he's delegated to and trusts. Also why I say he's still accountable, but probably not ultimately responsible for a lot of the bad player evaluations.

Unfortunately the only way that problem gets solved is for whomever that trust/power/responsibility has been delegated to, to be removed, and it will take a lot of high profile screwups for that to happen.[/quote]

I assume Williams signed off on having Clark and Pierce leave. I guess he also thought AA, LM and AC were solid replacements. However Gibbs side of the ball is offense. IMO there was no need bring in two WR's. ARE would have been just fine. Thrash can play the 3rd wideout. Plus Thrash plays teams. Could have used the 3rd or 4th rounder we spent on LLoyd on a big wr and o-line or d-line depth.

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I thought this tread was a 12-step program to help me get over my addiction to football teams that suck (2006 redskins).

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Step #1: Get out from under as many "bad contracts" as we can.
Step #2: Re-commit to building this team through the draft ... I'm advocating trading down in the 1st Rd., and getting extra picks in
Day #1.
Step #3: When Coach Gibbs, Coach Williams and Coach Saunders
go in and start breaking down this train wreck, have the guts and
courage to admit that they did a p*%$-poor job of tailoring their
respective schemes to the personnel on-board, man-up about it,
and change their schemes accordingly.
Step #4: On offense, Al, please note: We play in the NFC East, and
that means we run the ball in November, December, and beyond.
Our O-line is constructed for just that purpose. Run CP and Betts
as your 1-2 if you like, but make better use of Sellers in those testy
3rd down and short and goal line situations. Remember "Heavy Jumbo"?
It worked, and it worked for a reason, even when the other team knew
it was coming, they rarely stopped it.
Step #5: On Defense, Greg, here's the deal, dawg ... the genius has
been exposed!! You've done about as bad a job of tailoring your defense
to the talents of the players you have as one can imagine!! Adam Archuletta
is on you, man ... you wanted him, you got him ... now either find a way to
utilize what he brings to the table, or get off the pot !! Is your system so
complex that our 2nd Rd. pick, Rocky McIntosh, still can't get on the field??
Take a que from Coach Gibbs, and check your ego at the door. And that goes for some of your assistants, too.
Step #6: Off-season work outs must have a clear purppose ... toward winning from the start in '07. Things like injuries can't be anticipated, but the number of nagging, "minor" injuries we've suffered this year is just alarming. It needs to be impressed upon everyone at the final team meeting later this year that everyone haas to own their share of this debacle, and be accountable for it. And it needs to be rammed home to every player that the in-house "crap" that settled over this team this year ends now. If anyone doesn't want to be here, fine ... leave! Those that want to be here, and believe in what we're about and are trying to build here, get started towards next year immediately by taking it upon themselves to hold each other accountable during the "off season" in their conditioning, re-hab workouts, and training work, by being present for every OTA, QB School Session, etc.
Bottom Line: If you're really upset about whats happened here this year, then be here in the off-season when it matters.
Step #7: Be prepared to bust your collective @$$&$ in traing camp next summer ... you've earned it !!

I've loved this team since I was a kid, growing up in Springfield, and following the troops on the radio ... was listening on that great day in '66 when we hung 72 pts. on the Gents. I remember when the running game revolved around A.D. Whitfield ... when Jurgenson to Taylor or Mitchell, or Jerry Smith was as good as 6 ... when Sam Huff was hurting the other teams for us, just like he did for the Gents. I remember when Lombardi came on board, and how excited me and my dad were ... and how sad we were when he became ill and died.

And while we're reflecting on the way things used to be ... bring back Frank Herzog ... his game calls were classic, and embodied the feel of the great teams of the '80's.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;259249]Too bad you missed the Superbowl years. You would have more faith if you could remember them.[/QUOTE]

I remember the Super Bowl years quite well. I also remember that Gibbs was the coach and Betherd got the players. Now Gibbs is doing both with disasterous results.

BTW, the Super Bowl years were 15 years ago. That's ancient history and has nothing to do with what's happening now.

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[QUOTE=Buster;258936]7 Steps for a good season in 2007:

1. Healthy Portis
2. Healthy Moss
3. Healthy secondary
4. Healthy D-line
5. Healthy O-line
6. Get a kicker
7. Keep Campbell in[/QUOTE]


The above is a better seven step program than the first suggested list.

But # 6. Suisham seems better than Hall or Novak. Recommend competition in TC.


Welcome new posters!

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[QUOTE=backrow;259556]The above is a better seven step program than the first suggested list.

But # 6. Suisham seems better than Hall or Novak. Recommend competition in TC.


Welcome new posters![/QUOTE]

The above is not a better list because numbers 1 - 5 are out of the teams control. Injuries happen and there's nothing anyone can do about it.