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[quote=davy;264847]Personally I would love to see us get rid of Portis before the next seemingly inevitable season ending injury.

Besides, he's an attention seeking whiner and we'd be better off without him. :)[/quote]

I think that you better be running for the hills. I have been here only a couple of weeks and I have learned that you do not say anything about Portis or Campbell on here even if you are dead right these two guys seem to be off limits

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[QUOTE=riggoraider;264849]LOL...I think that you better be running for the hills. I have been here only a couple of weeks and I have learned that you do not say anything about Portis or Campbell on here even if you are dead right these two guys seem to be off limits[/QUOTE]

That's why I put a smiley at the end.

It puts a seed of doubt into peoples minds about whether I'm being entirely serious or not. :)

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[quote=davy;264850]That's why I put a smiley at the end.

It puts a seed of doubt into peoples minds about whether I'm being entirely serious or not. :)[/quote]

I may have to steal that one from you. I said something about our young QB once and I though the responder was going to find and assinate me

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[quote=riggoraider;264846]Your opinion is yours and I will respect that butif there is one thing that I have learned in my 30+ years of being a football fan it would be that you can never say never. IF and I said IF Portis was to be traded he would not be the best player ever traded in the NFL[/quote]

Whether or not stranger things have happened is completely irrelevant, it doesn't change the probabilities that the trade would take place. The chances are slim and none (mostly none).

Marshall Faulk's trade has nothing to do with this, he was traded at a point in his career that allowed the Colts to trade him without a huge cap hit.

You're lending way too much credence to a crappy rumor stating that the Texans MIGHT have interest. If the rumor said the 'Skins were listening, then MAYBE this would even be worth discussing. But the rumor says nothing about the 'Skins knowing about it, being asked about it, or being interested in it.

If you know Gibbs' tendencies, you know he's not going to unload Portis.

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[quote=Schneed10;265177]Whether or not stranger things have happened is completely irrelevant, it doesn't change the probabilities that the trade would take place. The chances are slim and none (mostly none).

Marshall Faulk's trade has nothing to do with this, he was traded at a point in his career that allowed the Colts to trade him without a huge cap hit.

You're lending way too much credence to a crappy rumor stating that the Texans MIGHT have interest. If the rumor said the 'Skins were listening, then MAYBE this would even be worth discussing. But the rumor says nothing about the 'Skins knowing about it, being asked about it, or being interested in it.

If you know Gibbs' tendencies, you know he's not going to unload Portis.[/quote]

Were you even born when Gibbs was coaching the first time to even talk about what Gibbs tendencies are?

Marshal Faulk was not traded at the point of his career when(whatever you were talking about) he was at the height of his career.Were you even born then?

As far as the article is concerned I have not even read it.I just know better than to say that anyone on a 5-11 team is untradable

How do you know who or who not is going to get traded?

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[quote=davy;264847]Personally I would love to see us get rid of Portis before the next seemingly inevitable season ending injury.

Besides, he's an attention seeking whiner and we'd be better off without him. :)[/quote]

Personally I'm tired of Portis bitching about pre season too. Everyone has to play a little bit in pre season. He is putting himself above averyone else.

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Personally i feel if we trade Portis I will assassinate Danny boy

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[quote=skinsfan69;265194]Personally I'm tired of Portis bitching about pre season too. Everyone has to play a little bit in pre season. He is putting himself above averyone else.[/quote]

Please!!!! Are you serious??? Portis isn't going anywhere my friend, he's one of the best backs in football. From everything I've seen and heard of him he's also a good teammate and a good person. He was whining about preseason because he had just broken his darned shoulder, he was just dissapointed and aggravated!

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;265203]Please!!!! Are you serious??? Portis isn't going anywhere my friend, he's one of the best backs in football. From everything I've seen and heard of him he's also a good teammate and a good person. He was whining about preseason because he had just broken his darned shoulder, he was just dissapointed and aggravated![/quote]

I can understand that but he has talked about that same crap like 3 weeks ago be "dissapointed and aggravated" for a little while and then get the hell over it

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[quote=skinsfan69;265194]Personally I'm tired of Portis bitching about pre season too. Everyone has to play a little bit in pre season. He is putting himself above averyone else.[/quote]

Your kidding me right? I mean you guys dont honestly think that Portis is a whiner and he puts himself above the team. He wasent playing with a busted shoulder for his own good. That man gives all he has to the team and for you to share this thought with us in my opinion shows ignorance.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;264783]This would free up the Texans to choose a first-round defensive back, defensive end, or even quarterback. [/QUOTE]

F that...any trade involvng Portis had better start with that 1st round pick!

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[QUOTE=riggoraider;264843]I am hoping that he is not traded either but ,like I said earlier, I have seen stranger things happen...hell...The Colts traded Marshall Faulk when he was a core player and it worked out good for the Colts and Faulk AND the Rams did not have to trade their whole team and waterboys to get Faulk...LB's contract extension has nothing to do with Portis[/QUOTE]


But, Marshall Faulk was not coming off major surgery when the Colts traded him to the Rams. There's no guarantee Portis will even be ready to start the season. It's not likely a team would be willing to make any type huge commitment to a player with question marks.

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If Portis is traded, this team will be taking a major step in the wrong direction!

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[quote=Longtimefan;265245]But, Marshall Faulk was not coming off major surgery when the Colts traded him to the Rams. There's no guarantee Portis will even be ready to start the season. It's not likely a team would be willing to make any type huge commitment to a player with question marks.[/quote]

You are probably right and I have never said that I thought that they would trade Portis but like I said earlier you can never say never and if that article is factual there is at least one team that is willing

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They should try to trade Betts. He probably has more value right now and his contract hit would be bearable.

Trust me, if they dump AA Portis isn't going anywhere next year.

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[quote=dmek25;264756]i was just reading fox sports web page, and it says that the Texans are going to pursue postis in the off season. coach kubiak basically runs the same offense that portis had in Denver. i do not want portis traded, but [U][B]just for discussion[/B][/U], [U][B]if[/B][/U] the skins would go thru with it, what do the texans have that the skins could possibly want?[/quote]

People seem to be reading right past this part and skipping to "Portis will never be traded."

[U][B]Just for discussion[/B][/U], it would have to be a starter plus a first round pick. You can't talk about a franchise player for less than that. That said, "Portis will never be traded."

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[quote=12thMan;264762]I'd take D,Mico Ryan (sp) and a first rounder for CP.[/quote] Very good , I thought the same . Maybe have them throw in a back up rb , or a mid rd draft pick . I do not want to lose Betts or Portis , but we need more than a few players to make a team for the long haul .

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[quote=riggoraider;265188]Were you even born when Gibbs was coaching the first time to even talk about what Gibbs tendencies are?

Marshal Faulk was not traded at the point of his career when...(whatever you were talking about)... he was at the height of his career...Were you even born then?

As far as the article is concerned I have not even read it...I just know better than to say that anyone on a 5-11 team is untradable

How do you know who or who not is going to get traded?[/quote]

Ugh, yes do the math, genius. I was born in 1979, and was well old enough to follow the team in the 1987 and 1991 Super Bowl seasons, and all seasons in between.

Yes, Faulk was at the height of his career, but your lack of knowledge regarding the salary cap is very apparent here. Faulk was not under a huge contract at the time, he was under the original contract which he signed after being drafted. He was also nearing the end of that contract, meaning almost all of his signing bonus which he received as a rookie had been allocated and shifted off the books at that point. The Colts didn't have to absorb much of a cap hit.

On the contrary, Portis is still in the earlier stages of his new $50 million contract. For each of the years he has remaining on his contract, the Redskins would have to absorb that proportion of his signing bonus as a cap hit in 2007. That makes trading him cost-prohibitive. That's just a fact my friend.

As far as Gibbs' tendencies, he tends to trade draft picks away for veteran players, not the other way around. He also tends to like veteran players, so while Demeco Ryans is a pretty good young player; he's still a first year guy. The Texans just don't have players or picks that Gibbs would be interested in.

I hope you stick around on this board, RiggoRaider. I'd love to get your reaction when Gibbs laughs at the reporter who suggests that the Redskins and Texans might consider a Portis deal.

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[quote=onlydarksets;265267]People seem to be reading right past this part and skipping to "Portis will never be traded."

[U][B]Just for discussion[/B][/U], it would have to be a starter plus a first round pick. You can't talk about a franchise player for less than that. That said, "Portis will never be traded."[/quote]

This is the very definition of "retarded thread" to me. I'm not interested in discussing anything as fantastically ridiculous as this. I will be glad to explain why this would never happen, but discussing what Portis would be worth in a trade is a waste of time.

I'd much rather discuss the numerous things wrong with our defense. It's not like we should be hard up for discussion around here, there's plenty of REALISTIC things to discuss.

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Trading Portis would be the single most unthinkable thing the Redskins could do to me as a fan, I'm a huge CP fan and would hate to see him in another teams jersey.

Keeping both Portis and Betts should be the plan - giving us one of (if the THE) best 1-2 punches in the league (unless Michael Turner stays with the Chargers), also resigning Dock and keeping the O-line inatct for another season.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;265203]Please!!!! Are you serious??? Portis isn't going anywhere my friend, he's one of the best backs in football. From everything I've seen and heard of him he's also a good teammate and a good person. He was whining about preseason because he had just broken his darned shoulder, he was just dissapointed and aggravated![/quote]

I don't want him to go anywhere. We need him. But shut up and quit bitching about pre season after you get hurt. Did you hear anyone else bitching about it? No. I think he was showing up Gibbs and the coaching staff. That's all I'm saying. I don't want him outta here at all. Only unless someone offers us a Hershal Walker type deal.

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[quote=Schneed10;265286]This is the very definition of "retarded thread" to me. I'm not interested in discussing anything as fantastically ridiculous as this. I will be glad to explain why this would never happen, but discussing what Portis would be worth in a trade is a waste of time.

I'd much rather discuss the numerous things wrong with our defense. It's not like we should be hard up for discussion around here, there's plenty of REALISTIC things to discuss.[/quote]

We'll make sure to run everything by you to make sure it's an acceptable hypothetical, then. ;) Seriously, this board is so crammed with the same "D sucks"/"JC looks promising"/"Where's Lloyd?" threads, you really can't slam someone for introducing a [U]new[/U] topic every now and then, even if it isn't something that has much, if any, chance of happening. At least this question is based on an actual news report, as unsubstantiated as it might be.

These threads happen, and sometimes (like here) there [U]is[/U] a legitimate question buried in there if you dig - he's essentially asking, what kind of compensation is required to get a team to sign away its franchise player? It's worth discussing, even if it is a relatively short answer (I'm sticking by a starting player + first rounder).

However, like I said, I agree there is no chance Portis is going anywhere.

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2 first rounds, this years and next. a 2nd rounder plus a forth this year

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i also agree, but thought it would be an interesting discussion. sorry schneed, we can back to the ramsey vs. brunell talk, or any of those old, tired, washed out threads that you would rather talk about. but, let me repeat, i want portis here, and do not think he will be traded

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and onlydarksets, thanks

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[quote=Schneed10;265285]Ugh, yes do the math, genius. I was born in 1979, and was well old enough to follow the team in the 1987 and 1991 Super Bowl seasons, and all seasons in between.

Yes, Faulk was at the height of his career, but your lack of knowledge regarding the salary cap is very apparent here. Faulk was not under a huge contract at the time, he was under the original contract which he signed after being drafted. He was also nearing the end of that contract, meaning almost all of his signing bonus which he received as a rookie had been allocated and shifted off the books at that point. The Colts didn't have to absorb much of a cap hit.

On the contrary, Portis is still in the earlier stages of his new $50 million contract. For each of the years he has remaining on his contract, the Redskins would have to absorb that proportion of his signing bonus as a cap hit in 2007. That makes trading him cost-prohibitive. That's just a fact my friend.

As far as Gibbs' tendencies, he tends to trade draft picks away for veteran players, not the other way around. He also tends to like veteran players, so while Demeco Ryans is a pretty good young player; he's still a first year guy. The Texans just don't have players or picks that Gibbs would be interested in.

I hope you stick around on this board, RiggoRaider. I'd love to get your reaction when Gibbs laughs at the reporter who suggests that the Redskins and Texans might consider a Portis deal.[/quote]

If you would take a minute to breath and stop taking people post apart thinking that they are on a trade Portis crucade you would see that they are speaking hypothetically. Also you would've read that I even said that I think that Portis will not be traded BUT my point was that you can never say never.

You are right I do not have salary cap knowledge nor do I have the time to figure all that out I have a job and a pretty active personal life so there are some things I leave for other people to do. But I am sure that the Redskins and other teams have worked around similar problems in the past.

You should just calm down, enjoy the post (which I think is a very good one), or don't enjoy the post because there plenty here to enjoy...THERE IS NO ONE HERE THAT CAN TRADE CP OR ARE TRYING TO TRADE HIM...he will still be gaining you your necessary yardage on your MADDEN '07

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the reason why the skins would consider it is that portis has an insane contract. If they offer that high a pick, it'd be easy to trade down, and get a depth RB + another starter on defense.

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[quote=GoSkins!;264764]mario williams for portis... but we would have to throw in a draft pick for historical purposes.


(Seriously... no way!)[/quote]


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