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[quote=GiantsSuck703;265934]I would love to see Calvin Johnson a Redskin, but its not the best thing for the team, unfortunately we dont have the luxury of drafting the best player in the draft, with all these stupid FA moves the front office has made were forced to pick players for positions that should have been filled years ago. The way I see it, if Calvin Johnson falls in our lap, lets give New England a call, I think they would swap there two first round picks for our top 10 pick(#6), let them pick Dewayne Jarret or Calvin Johnson, we can then use those two picks on LaRon Landry and Paul Posluzny. If not we should use the pick on either Gaines Adams or Alan Branch, whichever of the two is still available. Of course all this is contingent upon us signing Nate Clements, which I honestly believe is all but done, come free agency Nate Clements will be sippin champagne on Redskin 1 trying to figure out ways to spend the large sum of money Snyder just gave him.[/quote]
By not having sufficient draft choices to build an inexpensive base of solid depth, I agree that the Skins hand will be forced to pass on Johnson, who may be the surest thing in this draft if he declares. Reminds me of two years ago when we let Smoot depart and Gibbs was all but forced to select a CB (Rogers) when both Merriman and DeMarcus Ware were on the board. It's most insulting that Merriman had 17 sacks in 12 games this year while the Redskins had 21 as an entire team in 16 games.

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I think we need to get a monster run stopping D-Lineman. Carter really came on at the end of the year as a legitimate pass rusher, however he struggled to stop the run. So, I think the most important thing is that we get a D-lineman who can really clog some holes in the opposing offensive lines, if he can rush the QB, that's great too. Is that guy Adams more of a run stopper or pass pressure guy?

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I'm wondering if we can trade that pick down and still get Amobi from Louisville.

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[quote=gabe1984;265981]I think we need to get a monster run stopping D-Lineman. Carter really came on at the end of the year as a legitimate pass rusher, however he struggled to stop the run. So, I think the most important thing is that we get a D-lineman who can really clog some holes in the opposing offensive lines, if he can rush the QB, that's great too. Is that guy Adams more of a run stopper or pass pressure guy?[/quote]

I don't know if that was Carter as much as it was the LB behind him. Warrick WHO?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;265983]I don't know if that was Carter as much as it was the LB behind him. Warrick WHO?[/quote]
I think it was a combination, Holdman definitely blows, but I don't think Carter is a good run stopper either.

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He actually made a lot of open field tackles against RBs. They eventually lined up two linemen on him and DARED the WLB to make the tackle. If you notice when he finally "came on" he was getting crazy sacks and pressures and no one ran to that side. Later, they put another lineman on him and he's getting eaten up and Holdman couldn't make the tackle.

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Posluszny if he's there!

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We will sign Nate Clements in the offseason, move Springs to SS safety. sign Hollis Thomas DT of New Orleans and draft Calvin Johnson if he falls to us. then we will cut Lloyd and Arch or package them for some picks.

Although we do need defense the temptation of the best WR in the draft since Randy moss to grow in this franchise with Campbell will be to tempting.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;266179]We will sign Nate Clements in the offseason, move Springs to SS safety. sign Hollis Thomas DT of New Orleans and draft Calvin Johnson if he falls to us. then we will cut Lloyd and Arch or package them for some picks.

Although we do need defense the temptation of the best WR in the draft since Randy moss to grow in this franchise with Campbell will be to tempting.[/quote]

Damn man, I am dizzy with that predictions. But knwing this team, I could see somthing along those lines happening. I just hope we have learned our lesson again and will not just sign guys to these huge contracts. We do not need to make every player the highest paid in their position.

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i dont think calvin johnson will drop to 6th pick i think the bucs might pick him with the #3 pick. or a team will trade up to get him

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If Adams or Branch are not available I bet we trade down. We should probably trade down no matter what, but if Adams falls to us that would be my ideal. My least favorite option is the Penn State LB. He is nowhere near a top ten nfl draft pick in terms of raw talent. Don't give me that good insticts garbage either. He has a history of injury and is also undersized and is not all that fast. He will fall back on draft day.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;266179]We will sign Nate Clements in the offseason, move Springs to SS safety. sign Hollis Thomas DT of New Orleans and draft Calvin Johnson if he falls to us. then we will cut Lloyd and Arch or package them for some picks.

Although we do need defense the temptation of the best WR in the draft since Randy moss to grow in this franchise with Campbell will be to tempting.[/quote]

That wont happen, If we cut Arch and Lloyd we will not have any cap space to sign are draft picks,let alone Nate Clements. I honestly believe Arch and Lloyd will both be on the team next year based on there contracts, it would really be dumb for us to cut either player as it would pretty much kill our cap situation. We really need to trade down and stock pile picks to build this awful defense.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;265911]but calvin johnson is a amazing player, the best receiver to come out of college in maybe ever. team guy. i'm not saying draft him but f he is there, it would be hard to pass on him imo[/QUOTE]

Picking Johnson would be ridiculous. I remember a couple of years ago that many thought Mike Williams was the most talented player in the draft and lots of Skins fans were annoyed that we passed him up to take Rogers. Well, Rogers may still be a work in progress but Williams is a disaster.

I think our receivers will be fine as JC develops and anyone who has seen the Skins this year knows that we need help on defense first and foremost. DT, DE, ILB and CB. Personally, I think that a space eating DT would be ideal as improved performance from the front 4 would have a positive knock on effect on the rest of the D.

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[quote=wilsowilso;266366] My least favorite option is the Penn State LB. He is nowhere near a top ten nfl draft pick in terms of raw talent. Don't give me that good insticts garbage either. He has a history of injury and is also undersized and is not all that fast. He will fall back on draft day.[/quote]

I'm guessing you haven't actually watched a Penn State game in the last 4 years? "The Penn State LB" won the Bednarik Award each of the last two years (once as an OLB, once as a MLB), and the Butkus last year. He's led Penn State in tackles each of the last 3 years and started every game in his sophmore, junior, and senior years. He's also a First Team Academic All American. And, he's never missed a game for injury. PLEASE, I'm begging you, give me the rundown of Posluszny's "history of injury". And 6-2, 240 lbs in college is undersized? You can't be serious. Not to mention he'd be the surest tackler on our team the minute he stepped on the field in training camp.

I'll admit that I'm biased, but I vote for Posluszny wherever we end up picking (whether we stay at 6 or trade down).

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I can see Adam honestly paying to get out of here, like LaVar... We may keep lloyd.
I honestly think we have enough talent at Linebacker (if we put holdman on the bench). so sorry no Posluszny The DT from michigan would be my sure bet and sign clements. If we keep Adam switch him to linebacker or something becuase right now he's a waste of money!!

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;266757]I'm guessing you haven't actually watched a Penn State game in the last 4 years? "The Penn State LB" won the Bednarik Award each of the last two years (once as an OLB, once as a MLB), and the Butkus last year. He's led Penn State in tackles each of the last 3 years and started every game in his sophmore, junior, and senior years. He's also a First Team Academic All American. And, he's never missed a game for injury. PLEASE, I'm begging you, give me the rundown of Posluszny's "history of injury". And 6-2, 240 lbs in college is undersized? You can't be serious. Not to mention he'd be the surest tackler on our team the minute he stepped on the field in training camp.[/quote]

I thought he had a serious knee injury in the 2005 Orange Bowl, but I just read that it was only a partial tear of the MCL and Posterior Cruciate ligaments and it was only a two month rehab without surgery. Sure he won those prestigious COLLEGE awards, but have you seen the players on those lists? I really doubt he is actually 240 and I have no doubt that he doesn't have really good nfl speed. I bet he will run around the 4.7 mark although I could be proven wrong at his pro day. If we trade down a bit I would be happy with him and a high second rounder thats for sure.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;266757]I'm guessing you haven't actually watched a Penn State game in the last 4 years? "The Penn State LB" won the Bednarik Award each of the last two years (once as an OLB, once as a MLB), and the Butkus last year. He's led Penn State in tackles each of the last 3 years and started every game in his sophmore, junior, and senior years. He's also a First Team Academic All American. And, he's never missed a game for injury. PLEASE, I'm begging you, give me the rundown of Posluszny's "history of injury". And 6-2, 240 lbs in college is undersized? You can't be serious. Not to mention he'd be the surest tackler on our team the minute he stepped on the field in training camp.

I'll admit that I'm biased, but I vote for Posluszny wherever we end up picking (whether we stay at 6 or trade down).[/QUOTE]

I am actually impressed with this kid. I haven't been that impressed by a college LB since Arrington. Plus, that kind of name sounds like an old fashioned smash mouth player. (not that it's true...just sounds like one).
As long as we address the CB position in free agency, then I'll be more than happy with that pick...assuming he's still around.

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[quote=marius;266458]Picking Johnson would be ridiculous. I remember a couple of years ago that many thought Mike Williams was the most talented player in the draft and lots of Skins fans were annoyed that we passed him up to take Rogers. Well, Rogers may still be a work in progress but Williams is a disaster.

I think our receivers will be fine as JC develops and anyone who has seen the Skins this year knows that we need help on defense first and foremost. DT, DE, ILB and CB. Personally, I think that a space eating DT would be ideal as improved performance from the front 4 would have a positive knock on effect on the rest of the D.[/quote]
Calvin Johnson is a MUCH better WR than Mike Williams was when he came out! If the FO is going to make a dumb decision, why not take the most gifted skill postion player in the draft? If they dont draft for defense, they've gotta take this guy! JC to CJ, what a duo!

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[QUOTE=Crat92;266810]Calvin Johnson is a MUCH better WR than Mike Williams was when he came out! If the FO is going to make a dumb decision, why not take the most gifted skill postion player in the draft? If they dont draft for defense, they've gotta take this guy! JC to CJ, what a duo![/QUOTE]

No way...we've paid too much for Moss / ARE / Lloyd. That's too much money for a 4th receiver, and not enough room for him. Not a good idea.
Address ONLY the defense. Our offense is looking great for next season!

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We need depth pretty bad right now. I say we could trade back like three times and maybe pick somewhere at the end of the first round while aquiring a second, two thirds, and a fourth.

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That could turn out to be a very valuable pick. I would like to see us trade down and get late 1st and 2nd and maybe 4th or so. We can get to quality players in the 1st and 2nd. LB and DE. There seems to be some quality players coming out of college we should be able to get in those two rounds. Who knows, for some reason they actually picked pretty well last year in the 5th through 7th rounds, getting Golston and Montgomery. Maybe we can find another couple of players that later.

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The more I think about it & read what’s been reported about our cap situation, I don’t see us being in position even to sign Clements. Of course there’s always the restructuring of contracts that we do every year, and maybe they’ll have them all done by March 1 when fa opens, but I’m feeling that Gibbs has learned his lesson w/the big signings.
That said, if Clements were the ONLY fa signed it could work out so long as we don’t break the bank & further alienate our vets.
If we can’t sign Clements, which is the likely scenario, I’d like to see us scan the waiver wire post June 1, we might pick up a solid nickel back to replace Wright. Maybe Fred Smoot (I know, there’s already been a couple threads on this!)?
DE seems the highest priority to me in the draft.

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[QUOTE=dgack;265655]I'd like to see us trade away our pick for an unproven WR and an over-the-hill defensive player.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately with the way this organization operates I see this as the most likely scenario.

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I'd love to see them pick up Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson (6-4½, 260).
Possibly move Carter back to LB.

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[quote=EEich;266966]I'd love to see them pick up Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson (6-4½, 260).
Possibly move Carter back to LB.[/quote]


No way on moving Carter back to LB. He was really coming on at the end of the year and he hates playing LB. He doesn't have the speed for one thing that is why he struggled with the 49ers. Gaines to me seems to be more of LB size. I haven't seem him play, but not sure how well he would do giving up 50+ pounds to tackles in the NFL. I am not a college foot ball buff, but I would like to think there are quality DE and LB's we can get late in the first and 2nd round if we could get that by trading our #6 pick.

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You know what I would love for a change? For the SKINS to draft this year's hidden gem. For us to draft OUR Marques Colston. I'm not even talking someone who is a late rounder, I just want someone to step in and be given ROY consideration. Even though with GW, you know it's not possible because he won't start them from day one.

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With the 6th pick of the draft

Washington trades his pick to Minnesota for Darren Sharper or another washed up player

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[quote=D'BOYZ;266977]With the 6th pick of the draft

Washington trades his pick to Minnesota for Darren Sharper or another washed up player[/quote]

dude, we gave up on the washed up player strategy years ago (except maybe AA is washed up), we now prefer to overpay younger free agents

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[QUOTE=EEich;266966]I'd love to see them pick up Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson (6-4½, 260).
Possibly move Carter back to LB.[/QUOTE]

I don't understand everyone's fascination with moving a player from their natural position, that they are good at, to LB. Arch, Carter, draft picks to name a few...I hear this all the time. "Let's sign (so and so) and move him to LB".
How about this, let's go get an LB through the draft or other. Conversions are risky.
Look at how long it took to get Carter acclimated to DE. He has played so much LB and DE he probably doesn't know where one position starts and the other ends. Just let them learn one position.

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I say draft Alan Branch, trade back into the late first and take Paul Posluszny. Have Paul play MLB splitting time with Marshall, and develop Rocky in the OLB spot with some AA in the mix at OLB, and Monster Safety in blitz packages

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I watched the Senior Bowl yesterday. I even watched the practices during the week that they televised. Yes, I'm that hard up for football. There is a kid who was a 19 year old senior and played at Louisville. He play DT and is 290. He was unblockable during the practices and played real well in the game yesterday. However becasue of his age I don't think he's going to be a top ten. So we could possibly move down a few picks and draft this kid and possible pick up a DE or MLB in the 2nd round. This is what I would do because we need multiple players. I believe that you start on the front seven. That is most important. We simply CAN NOT have people running for 200 yards on us anymore.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;266977]With the 6th pick of the draft

Washington trades his pick to Minnesota for Darren Sharper or another washed up player[/quote]

With their first round pick of the 07 NFL draft the Cowboys take Joe Stick em out of SW Texas State. He is a professional holder for FG's and PAT's.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ;266977]With the 6th pick of the draft

Washington trades his pick to Minnesota for Darren Sharper or another washed up player[/QUOTE]

And this coming from a fan of an organization that gets T.O. after he demolished two teams and two Pro Bowl quarterbacks. How is Mr. Drops working out for you?

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[quote=D'BOYZ;266977]With the 6th pick of the draft

Washington trades his pick to Minnesota for Darren Sharper or another washed up player[/quote]
you guys only draft players that get shot, and have to sit out half the season

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I don't think Gaines Adams can be blocked one on one in obvious passing situations which would free Carter up on the other side and solve a lot of what ails our defense right now. The only question in my mind is can he stop the run well enough to play every down. If not, we should look at either taking Quinten Moses from Georgia or trading down for more picks. Moses got more pub at Georgia than Golston ever did and Golston is a beast. I think that DE is the one position that if upgraded can make all the other defenders look a lot better. The secondary doesn't have to cover as long and can take more chances. The linebackers can roam more freely. Most importantly, opposing offenses have to fear 3rd and 6+ which will make them more conservative and easier to defend.

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I'm glad you're back 70Chip. I think you were away for like a month.

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[quote=TAFKAS;273205]I'm glad you're back 70Chip. I think you were away for like a month.[/quote]


More like two. Work keeps me AWAY. What did I miss? Anyone been banned?

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[QUOTE=70Chip;273427]More like two. Work keeps me AWAY. What did I miss? Anyone been banned?[/QUOTE]

Work was keeping me away too [sigh]. There were a few "incidents" while you were gone, but no one of note.

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i saw somehting on espn today..skins r going to trade their draft pick for a player?

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[QUOTE=JoeyHeismann7;273696]i saw somehting on espn today..skins r going to trade their draft pick for a player?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that guy was just talking out of his ass really. He said they want to trade out of the draft and get a player. He was trying to joke about it but it came out all wrong and stupid.