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Im just waiting for them totally screw up the draft now.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;267131]Gibbs and Company brought the microscope upon themselves. If he refuses to change course in how players are selected and scouted then Im gonna pile on every chance I get until they prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]

How about we at least let them get out of the gate this offseason before determining they aren't changing course. Sorry but this pickup didn't warrant some of the assanine responses.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267131]Gibbs and Company brought the microscope upon themselves. If he refuses to change course in how players are selected and scouted then Im gonna pile on every chance I get until they prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]

Why is this signing so awful yet you had no problem suggesting [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/6326-promising-wr-supp-draft.html"]this?[/URL] How is it so different?

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267131]If he refuses to change course in how players are selected and scouted then Im gonna pile on every chance I get until they prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]

Lordy... Yes, they have brought scrutiny upon themselves. Deservedly so. But to "pile on" to a CFL signing that is as close to meaningless as possible one week into the offseason? That's not "piling on" that's just shouting out ridiculous bile b/c your convinced of your own damn brilliance and can't take a rational approach to even the most insignificant move.

What's next - A tirade when Brittney doesn't make next year's cut on the cheerleading squad?

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;267044]Christ almighty ... Was this signing announced as the savior of the franchise?? Did I miss something? Are the Skins saying "Well, we've made the big FA move we've been contemplating, now we're done"? Did Redskin 1 ever leave the ground on this one (Hell, did it even get its windows washed)??

They probably saw something they liked, gave him a no SB contract, and will be pleasantly surprised if he does anything more than make the practice squad.

Man - this mob looks to eat its own quickly. Can we at least wait more than one week before we castigate the FO for a horrible offseason??[/QUOTE]

For real! Please someone get me the giant bag of pacifiers laying next to the huggies.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267131]Gibbs and Company brought the microscope upon themselves. If he refuses to change course in how players are selected and scouted then Im gonna pile on every chance I get until they prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]

Damn right.

And Matty, when is the appropriate time for criticizing or applauding any personnel moves?

10 days after the season ending? A month?

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this might end up a good signing, 1st round draft pick DE are very risky, hopefully we are drafting a quality CB or DT and build depth through free agency like every other club.... not a bad move in my opinion....give it a chance 8 sacks are not terrific but 70 tackles is pretty good. he might be fundamentally sound

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[quote=Mattyk72;267086]So now we need to blast them over a practice squad type of move?

C'mon this thread is just ridiculous. It was a tough season so I can understand people being on edge, but I really hope we're not going to spend the entire offseason blasting every move no matter how insignificant it is.[/quote]

Sorry but why bring in a 240lb pass rusher? He can't even give Samuels and Jansen a good look on scout team.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;267044]Christ almighty ... Was this signing announced as the savior of the franchise?? Did I miss something? Are the Skins saying "Well, we've made the big FA move we've been contemplating, now we're done"? Did Redskin 1 ever leave the ground on this one (Hell, did it even get its windows washed)??

They probably saw something they liked, gave him a no SB contract, and will be pleasantly surprised if he does anything more than make the practice squad.

Man - this mob looks to eat its own quickly. Can we at least wait more than one week before we castigate the FO for a horrible offseason??[/quote]

Just call us a bunch of Piranahs.

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[QUOTE=charlielyons;267211]this might end up a good signing, 1st round draft pick DE are very risky, hopefully we are drafting a quality CB or DT and build depth through free agency like every other club.... not a bad move in my opinion....give it a chance 8 sacks are not terrific but 70 tackles is pretty good. he might be fundamentally sound[/QUOTE]




Do we have anyone on the team at DE with more than 8 sacks in the last two years? Sounds like an upgrade to me already. despite the fact he may not even make the team.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;267208][W]hen is the appropriate time for criticizing or applauding any personnel moves? 10 days after the season ending? A month?[/QUOTE]

Any time - as long as the criticism is relevant and rational to the move being criticized. Here, you guys are:

A) blasting a back-of-the-sports-section-blurb as if it is some major signing;

B) criticizing the signing w/o commenting on the relevant merits of the player signed and whether or not we are getting a decent value for the money/draft picks spent;

C) treating this signing as an example of front office incompentence when there is absolutely no evidence as to whether or not anyone else may/may not have been pursuing this guy (Hey, what if it turns out we stole him right out from the Patriots noses - would you still be blasting the FO, if this turns out to be a highly coveted player?).

D) (as I stated earlier) acting as if this is "The Big Signing" of the offseason and the one upon which the entire offseason is judged.

As for the references that I have made about time - In this case we know absolutely nothing about the guy except from some CFL blurb. This is an unknown (and likely to stay that way) who's signing is one tiny, miniscule offseason move that we, probably, won't know the true signifigance of until we are much further into the signing period.

It's not like we are talking about a blockbuster trade where the personnel and/ or value (i.e. draft picks) of the trade are well know.

In this case, you guys are simply criticizing to criticize "We did it so it must be dumb." There are plenty of "Our FO sucks" threads out there - go bump them.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;267222]Any time - as long as the criticism is relevant and rational to the move being criticized. Here, you guys are:

A) blasting a back-of-the-sports-section-blurb as if it is some major signing;

B) criticizing the signing w/o commenting on the relevant merits of the player signed and whether or not we are getting a decent value for the money/draft picks spent;

C) treating this signing as an example of front office incompentence when there is absolutely no evidence as to whether or not anyone else may/may not have been pursuing this guy (Hey, what if it turns out we stole him right out from the Patriots noses - would you still be blasting the FO, if this turns out to be a highly coveted player?).

D) (as I stated earlier) acting as if this is "The Big Signing" of the offseason and the one upon which the entire offseason is judged.

As for the references that I have made about time - In this case we know absolutely nothing about the guy except from some CFL blurb. This is an unknown (and likely to stay that way) who's signing is one tiny, miniscule offseason move that we, probably, won't know the true signifigance of until we are much further into the signing period.

It's not like we are talking about a blockbuster trade where the personnel and/ or value (i.e. draft picks) of the trade are well know.

In this case, you guys are simply criticizing to criticize "We did it so it must be dumb." There are plenty of "Our FO sucks" threads out there - go bump them.[/QUOTE]



Good analysis......I just didn't feel like typing that much.

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First of all, what you may have overlooked is that many of the comments were posted in jest -- nobody has a clue about this guy one way or the other. I certainly don't.

Judging by the content of these posts, there would be little doubt as to who was really overreacting.

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[quote=Mattyk72;267133]How about we at least let them get out of the gate this offseason before determining they aren't changing course. Sorry but this pickup didn't warrant some of the assanine responses.[/quote]



GEEE, lets see, Gibbs is not asking for a GM, and players will be selected the same way, which is by an incompetent committee who considers draft picks to be irrelevant. Doesn't seem like anything is gonna change in the FO.

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[quote=TAFKAS;267152]Why is this signing so awful yet you had no problem suggesting [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/6326-promising-wr-supp-draft.html"]this?[/URL] How is it so different?[/quote]


TAFKAS, this is/was different because we completely totally 100% suck with mid round picks. OK, I shouldn't say 100%, I think Rock was a mid rounder, but 90%. We could've used a 6th rounder to pick that kid up, and he had huge potential. Show me where anyone says this Canadian kid has any NFL potential.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;267228]First of all, what you may have overlooked is that many of the comments were posted in jest -- nobody has a clue about this guy one way or the other. I certainly don't.

Judging by the content of these posts, there would be little doubt as to who was really overreacting.[/QUOTE]

Ok, let's see:

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;266939]What a freakin joke. Another great pickup by the current front office/Gibbs talent evaluators. This is pathetic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;267024]LOL! 8 sacks in two years, and remember all they do is throw in the CFL. Great work by our FO![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;267064][QUOTE=BrudLee;267000]Which, of course, means that this costs [U]nothing[/U]. Complainers will now need a new "issue" to smack-talk Snyder and Gibbs 2.0 about.[/QUOTE]
There's plenty to choose from.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267131]Gibbs and Company brought the microscope upon themselves. If he refuses to change course in how players are selected and scouted then Im gonna pile on every chance I get until they prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267132]Im just waiting for them totally screw up the draft now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;267208]Damn right. And Matty, when is the appropriate time for criticizing or applauding any personnel moves? 10 days after the season ending? A month?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;267212]Sorry but why bring in a 240lb pass rusher? He can't even give Samuels and Jansen a good look on scout team.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267231]GEEE, lets see, Gibbs is not asking for a GM, and players will be selected the way, which is by an incompetent committee who considers draft picks to be irrelevant. Doesn't seem like anything is gonna change in the FO.[/QUOTE]

I left out a ton that were critical 'cause they seemed "in jest."

If you're just joking great, but it seemed to me the tenor was another "blast the FO" and that it was created by appeared to be a marginal signing.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267232]TAFKAS, this is/was different because we completely totally 100% suck with mid round picks. OK, I shouldn't say 100%, I think Rock was a mid rounder, but 90%. We could've used a 6th rounder to pick that kid up, and he had huge potential. Show me where anyone says this Canadian kid has any NFL potential.[/QUOTE]

We don't f***ing know if he has any potential and he is likely to be getting some marginal contract. Show me something that demonstrates signing him is such a bad move that it requires the vitrolic responses it has elicited from you.

He doesn't even cost us a draft choice. Probably just two goats and a pipeline.

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A four page thread on a CFL DE - it's gonna be a looooooonnngggg offseason.

Chris Wilson = The new and improved Question 3

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[quote=Beemnseven;267208]Damn right.

And Matty, when is the appropriate time for criticizing or applauding any personnel moves?

10 days after the season ending? A month?[/quote]


YOU WILL NEVER GET AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION!!!! People who still support the current FO structure will always support the structure. Its almost like some of them are on Snyder's payroll.

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Actually, he got the answer to his question five posts later. It had more than one complete thought in it so you probably just skipped over it.

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So we hear all this bitching and moaning about how all the team does is sign overhyped, overpriced free agents and now we sign (for virtually nothing) a young DE very, very early in the offseason and everyone (hyperbolically speaking of course) wants to lambast this move.

Yes, he may be undersized at 240. But...he can bulk up, he can move to LB, heck maybe he'll even move to S. We have him for all the mini-camps, OTAs, we could even send him to NFL Europe.

But anyway, I'll ask my cousin about him. He's a columnist in Canada covering the CFL beat so he can give some inside scoop on this kid.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;267244]I'll ask my cousin about him. He's a columnist in Canada covering the CFL beat so he can give some inside scoop on this kid.[/QUOTE]

Well, since the conclusion has already been reached that was just the Skins' FO being ignorant again - actual, relevant information from an individual who has seen him play is unnecessary

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[quote=JoeRedskin;267252]Well, since the conclusion has already been reached that was just the Skins' FO being ignorant again - actual, relevant information from an individual who has seen him play is unnecessary[/quote]


[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-warpath-parking-lot/10822-cfl-versus-nfl-game.html#post146749[/URL]


Hmmmm, lets see Joe, wasn't it you that said how CFL players were CLEARLY inferior to NFL players? Boy, you don't talk out of both sides of your mouth do ya?

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Is it hard being a full time hypocrite Joe, or is that just a part time gig for ya? This is the perfect example of a kool aid drinker, whatever the FO and beloved Gibbs does is full of roses and sunshine.

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Well, I look at it this way...it couldn't hurt.
Does anyone know the terms of the deal? If it's low enough, it might not even affect our cap.
We've taken chances on big name DE's and they haven't worked out, so why not get a no name and see what kind of production he can give us?
It's thinking outside the box. Heck, when Kurt Warner was signed, everyone said "WHO?", he was an MVP for the Rams. If This kid can get us even close to 10 sacks we'll look like a genius!

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267256]Is it hard being a full time hypocrite Joe, or is that just a part time gig for ya? This is the perfect example of a kool aid drinker, whatever the FO and beloved Gibbs does is full of roses and sunshine.[/QUOTE]

If you paid any attention at all to Joe's posts over the past few years you'd know that what you're saying is a bunch of bull. He offers very balanced, well thought analysis praising the Redskins when deserved and critiquing them when necessary.

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Well....considering one of our best players and "core Redskins", Mike Sellers palyed in the CFL, I dont see why we can't give this kid a shot. Its not like we just signed him to start for us in the Super Bowl; he is going to try out for the friggin team...who cares!?!?

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Easy folks...

I'm afraid I agree with the "Let's not go all crazy over a signing that means very little" sect. Obviously the FO was impressed by the DE, and we'll get the chance to find out why. If they're wrong, the implications surely aren't drastic.

If he's a bust... so what? Their Job is to evaluate talent, and talent does sometimes come from the C.F.L. Let's be critical when it makes sense to be.

Joe Horn, Jeff Garcia, and Brendon Ayanbadejo all came from the C.F.L.

Let's not all go crazy yet... damn.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;267261]Easy folks...

I'm afraid I agree with the "Let's not go all crazy over a signing that means very little" sect. Obviously the FO was impressed by the DE, and we'll get the chance to find out why. If they're wrong, the implications surely aren't drastic. [/QUOTE]

They've been wrong A LOT...so I have little faith this kid work out...but like I said, it's can't hurt.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267254] Hmmmm, lets see Joe, wasn't it you that said how CFL players were CLEARLY inferior to NFL players? Boy, you don't talk out of both sides of your mouth do ya?[/QUOTE]

Man, you had to do some digging for that one. First, here's the quote referenced:

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;146749]I used to watch the CFL back when they had a team in Baltimore. Maybe times have changed, but I could tell the talent difference easily. The CFL'ers were a clearly a beat or two slower. The window's of opportunity were larger in the CFL: QB's had more margin for error, the holes were slightly bigger for RB's, etc. The speed and power of the NFL players was just so clearly a cut above the CFL guys.[/QUOTE]

I stand by this statement - In general CFL players are definitely a cut below the generic NFL player. At the same time, I believe the NFL just inducted someone named Warren Moon into their hall of fame. Hmmmm, where did he start his career? What about that Garcia guy up in Philly? Didn't he come from the same league. Not saying Mr. Wilson is in that class at all, just saying to every rule there are exceptions. Further, in case I haven't been clear, I don't think Mr. Wilson is a good signing, I just don't think it is a given that it's a bad signing. In fact, I put in the class of "so-what" signing.

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267256]Is it hard being a full time hypocrite Joe, or is that just a part time gig for ya? This is the perfect example of a kool aid drinker, whatever the FO and beloved Gibbs does is full of roses and sunshine.[/QUOTE]

1) Don't call me a hypocrite. I have NEVER asserted that this was some brilliant move by our FO - I have just consistently said it's no big deal one way or the other. 2) While I am firmly in the Gibbs camp, I am not so much that I blind to the personnel errors in the past - particularly this past year (Duckette, Archuletta, Lloyd, Pierce, Clark). But I also recognize their successes (Taylor, Washington, Moss, Cooley, Griffen, Springs). Finally,
I am no fan of Cerrato - and I think that as long as he is the prism through which Gibbs sees talent, there will be problems.

Now tell me, why does a near meaningless signing of someone who is likely to be a practice team player have you so damn pissed off?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;267259]If you paid any attention at all to Joe's posts over the past few years you'd know that what you're saying is a bunch of bull. He offers very balanced, well thought analysis praising the Redskins when deserved and critiquing them when necessary.[/QUOTE]

Ahhhh, shucks <kicks dirt and blushes>

So will you take me to the prom?

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Page 5 and counting.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;267267]Ahhhh, shucks <kicks dirt and blushes>

So will you take me to the prom?[/QUOTE]

paulskinsfan can drive us to the dance ;)

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Well, I'll say this. If we signed a Canadian it means someone, somewhere in the organization spent scouting time and resources in Canada rather than evaluating the upcoming draft and free agency. They didn't just sign him sight unseen, resources were expended here, and clearly those resources could be better utilized evaluating people who are have NFL level talent. Nice Canadian picks by the way, all QBs. And by the way, Joey, you hurled the first insults so don't act all surprised when someone gets a little ticked off with your tone.

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Yea i mean who would think dan snider waiste dmoney researching a canadian, im intrested to see what this kids got.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267292]Well, I'll say this. If we signed a Canadian it means someone, somewhere in the organization spent scouting time and resources in Canada rather than evaluating the upcoming draft and free agency. They didn't just sign him sight unseen, resources were expended here, and clearly those resources could be better utilized evaluating people who are have NFL level talent. Nice Canadian picks by the way, all QBs. And by the way, Joey, you hurled the first insults so don't act all surprised when someone gets a little ticked off with your tone.[/QUOTE]

I think you're getting way too worked up over this move.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;267299]I think you're getting way too worked up over this move.[/QUOTE]

That's kinda been my point.

Also, if I have been insulting its only b/c I am right and PSF is so very very wrong. Besides, if you want to be insulting, please be correct about it. My posts were neither hypocritical nor examples of a Joe Gibbs Kool-Aid drinker.

There may have been some typos - you can legitimately call me up on those.

And the name is "Joe" not "Joey" - that's just doofy.

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Page 6 and counting.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;267292] Nice Canadian picks by the way, all QBs.[/QUOTE]

Joe Horn, Brendon Ayanbadejo and Mike Sellers - Last I checked they didn't have a QB rating for these guys.

(Okay, I admit it - now I am just poking him with a stick to get him to say more stupid stuff).

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Raking up the post count on a CFL DE - woooo hoooo. 1,500 here I come.