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[quote=jsarno;268830]Well, I don't know if anyone has heard this at this point, but sportscenter said that Gibbs wants Brunell back for next season. You probably already heard this since I am usually the last one to hear about things, but I saw a comment or two about not wanting Brunell back.
I personally have no problem with bringing him back for the simple fact that he'd be a good backup. It's either Brunell or Collins...i'll take brunell[/quote]

Well we have him for at least another 4-5 months. I guarantee he has already worked out a restructuring. Why not, no one else will give him any guaranteed money and they just put his shoulder back together. Chalk up another one for the front office!

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;268832]Well we have him for at least another 4-5 months. I guarantee he has already worked out a restructuring. Why not, no one else will give him any guaranteed money and they just put his shoulder back together. Chalk up another one for the front office![/QUOTE]

We absolutely need him to...his cap numbers are too high right now.

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this really pisses me off,Brunell was injured 2 yrs ago when we sucked so bad and kept it to himself and gibbs stuck with him 5 games past what anybody in their right mind would do,then the exact same thing happens 2 yrs later? fk brunell,I hope his frickin arm rots off or gibbs will pull jc after 1 half in the first game and stick brunell back in there,wait,I hope both his arms rot off because gibbs would probably still run him out there with one arm

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I remember one of those Post articles saying that many in the organization viewed Brunell and Gibbs' relationship as an example of a coach getting to close to a player. I'm just waiting for Brunell to be introduced as QB coach after next season.

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I'm tired of the brunell bashing.
He ran the team the way JG wanted him to. He did an OK job with the way the other 10 guys played.
MB had to deal with all the bullshit from Gibbs/Saunders, WR Corp, Crappy Line Play, and Defence getting blown out.

MB had a higher Yards Per attempt Average and More plays over than 20 yards( Ave per game) than JC.

I'm glad the switch to JC was made. Now we can move on to a new era. But, MB played better than JC. JC didn't throw downfield either, he dumped off to Cooley and still missed those throws!

Brunell is a class act and a Business man. He is not going to step away from gauranteed money. No one would. I don't want to hear people say he should restructor and retire. The team screwed up and signed him to a large contract. Mark did his part, Now the team has to live up to it. I'm tired of players holding out and I'm tired of fans expecting players to give back money when they can no longer play just because its right for the team.

Here is another potential problem: If we cut him, will we have to pay extra for an injury settlement? He was hurt in a game...

It's time to redirect the blame from Brunell to the front office.

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[QUOTE=jamf;268877]I'm tired of the brunell bashing.
He ran the team the way JG wanted him to. He did an OK job with the way the other 10 guys played.
MB had to deal with all the bullshit from Gibbs/Saunders, WR Corp, Crappy Line Play, and Defence getting blown out.

MB had a higher Yards Per attempt Average and More plays over than 20 yards( Ave per game) than JC.

I'm glad the switch to JC was made. Now we can move on to a new era. But, MB played better than JC. JC didn't throw downfield either, he dumped off to Cooley and still missed those throws!

Brunell is a class act and a Business man. He is not going to step away from gauranteed money. No one would. I don't want to hear people say he should restructor and retire. The team screwed up and signed him to a large contract. Mark did his part, Now the team has to live up to it. I'm tired of players holding out and I'm tired of fans expecting players to give back money when they can no longer play just because its right for the team.

Here is another potential problem: If we cut him, will we have to pay extra for an injury settlement? He was hurt in a game...

It's time to redirect the blame from Brunell to the front office.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on the part about the front office,but i dont agree with you about brunell,he knew he was hurt the first yr and didnt say anything{or if he did thats just another screwup by the powers that be)and I think he knew something wasnt right with him this yr,playing with pain is one thing,but playing with pain to the detriment of the team is another

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;268885]I agree with you on the part about the front office,but i dont agree with you about brunell,he knew he was hurt the first yr and didnt say anything{or if he did thats just another screwup by the powers that be)and I think he knew something wasnt right with him this yr,playing with pain is one thing,but playing with pain to the detriment of the team is another[/QUOTE]


So who do you blame? I blame Brunell...he HAD to have known. I'd like to beleive that Gibbs and co did not know. If they did, I have lost a lot of respect for them. While I do blame Brunell, he is a competitor...I broke my ankle and played hockey on it that night. (scored 6 goals and 3 assists) But I wasn't my normal self. I didn't take myself out, and I didn't tell anyone. Why? Because I can't stand the thought of not being out there playing. If Brunell is anything like me, I can understand him not wanting to relinquish his post. So why did Gibbs and co. not look more into his performance?
Who is our QB coach...or do we even have one?

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[QUOTE=jamf;268877]
Brunell is a class act and a Business man. He is not going to step away from gauranteed money. No one would. I don't want to hear people say he should restructor and retire. The team screwed up and signed him to a large contract. [B]Mark did his part, Now the team has to live up to it. [/B] .[/QUOTE]

No they don't. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. I am sure you know this, but I can't believe you are really advocating executing our salary cap and roster based on honor or whatever? Mark Shouldn't be expected to give back any money for the same reasons the Skins should have no compunction about cutting him loose. It's a business. Otherwise, maybe we should give Stephen Davis a little extra money.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;268889]So who do you blame? I blame Brunell...he HAD to have known. I'd like to beleive that Gibbs and co did not know. If they did, I have lost a lot of respect for them. While I do blame Brunell, he is a competitor...I broke my ankle and played hockey on it that night. (scored 6 goals and 3 assists) But I wasn't my normal self. I didn't take myself out, and I didn't tell anyone. Why? Because I can't stand the thought of not being out there playing. If Brunell is anything like me, I can understand him not wanting to relinquish his post. So why did Gibbs and co. not look more into his performance?
Who is our QB coach...or do we even have one?[/QUOTE]

I thought it was obvious,I blame them both
wtf!! you broke your ankle and scored 6 goals! what do you do when your ankles not broke? are you mario lemeiux?

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[quote=jamf;268877]I'm tired of the brunell bashing.
He ran the team the way JG wanted him to. He did an OK job with the way the other 10 guys played.
MB had to deal with all the bullshit from Gibbs/Saunders, WR Corp, Crappy Line Play, and Defence getting blown out.

MB had a higher Yards Per attempt Average and More plays over than 20 yards( Ave per game) than JC.

I'm glad the switch to JC was made. Now we can move on to a new era. But, MB played better than JC. JC didn't throw downfield either, he dumped off to Cooley and still missed those throws!

Brunell is a class act and a Business man. He is not going to step away from gauranteed money. No one would. I don't want to hear people say he should restructor and retire. The team screwed up and signed him to a large contract. Mark did his part, Now the team has to live up to it. I'm tired of players holding out and I'm tired of fans expecting players to give back money when they can no longer play just because its right for the team.[/quote]:food-smil

[QUOTE]It's time to redirect the blame from Brunell to the front office.[/QUOTE]For clarification: what blame are you speaking of? For the season on the whole or a specific event?

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[quote=djnemo65;268894]No they don't. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. I am sure you know this, but I can't believe you are really advocating executing our salary cap and roster based on honor or whatever? Mark Shouldn't be expected to give back any money for the same reasons the Skins should have no compunction about cutting him loose. It's a business. Otherwise, maybe we should give Stephen Davis a little extra money.[/quote]If we cut Brunell we save something like 1.5 million for next season. Is there a backup out there who is better for this offense than MB who we can sign for 1.5 or less? It would have to be a Todd Collins like contract given to a far better QB.

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[quote=htownskinfan;268885]I agree with you on the part about the front office,but i dont agree with you about brunell,he knew he was hurt the first yr and didnt say anything{or if he did thats just another screwup by the powers that be)and I think he knew something wasnt right with him this yr,playing with pain is one thing,but playing with pain to the detriment of the team is another[/quote]Can we agree upon the fact that if the coaches are unaware of an injury (presumably because said player doesn't disclose it), his performance should be graded as if he wasn't injured? Great, thanks.

Jamf notes that Mark Brunell outperformed Jason Campbell this year. I'm going to assume you agree because you do not dispute his point. So regardless of some injury, why in the heck would you want Gibbs and Co. to NOT be playing our best 11 offensive players. To me, if he was playing JC from the start, given our sky high expectations this year, and we ended up going 4-12, that would be far more damning to me than failing to disclose an injury to the media.

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[quote=jamf;268877]MB had a higher Yards Per attempt Average and More plays over than 20 yards( Ave per game) than JC.

I'm glad the switch to JC was made. Now we can move on to a new era. But, MB played better than JC. JC didn't throw downfield either, he dumped off to Cooley and still missed those throws!
[/quote]

I think the statistics in this situation are a bit misleading. The Brunell guys like to throw around his high completion percentage and efficiency, but there were obvious shortcomings from Brunell's play that were exposed once Cambell took over.

The main problem that people had with Brunell was the dink and dunks. Brunell may have had more 20+ yard completions, but how many of those were actually passes over 20 yards? Usually it was an 8 yard pass that was YACed for more by the receiver. Teams didn't respect Brunell's ability to throw deep, which forced Portis to run with eight in the box, 90% of the time. Campbell comes in, and teams are forced to respect the deep ball. Betts benefits directly from this and has a pretty good season, because teams are only able to commit 5 or 6 to the run. Otherwise, they'd be scorched over the top by Campbell.

And who gives a shit about efficiency and yards per attempt, when all it means is Brunell will efficiently lose if Washington gets behind in the game? At least with Campbell, I know he's going to make every attempt to win the game. I was at the end of the season debacle against the Giants, and if it was Brunell going into the fourth quarter down by 14, I would have left. Since Campbell was playing I had hope, and he led two fourth quarter touchdown drives. Brunell would have found ways to take sacks or throw it away on 4th down.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;268894]No they don't. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. I am sure you know this, but I can't believe you are really advocating executing our salary cap and roster based on honor or whatever? Mark Shouldn't be expected to give back any money for the same reasons the Skins should have no compunction about cutting him loose. It's a business. Otherwise, maybe we should give Stephen Davis a little extra money.[/QUOTE]

I do know that contracts arent gauranteed. I meant his Signing bonus and the cap hit we would take if we did cut him. Some people want him to restructor just we can cut him...

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;268974]I think the statistics in this situation are a bit misleading. The Brunell guys like to throw around his high completion percentage and efficiency, but there were obvious shortcomings from Brunell's play that were exposed once Cambell took over.

The main problem that people had with Brunell was the dink and dunks. Brunell may have had more 20+ yard completions, but how many of those were actually passes over 20 yards? Usually it was an 8 yard pass that was YACed for more by the receiver. Teams didn't respect Brunell's ability to throw deep, which forced Portis to run with eight in the box, 90% of the time. Campbell comes in, and teams are forced to respect the deep ball. Betts benefits directly from this and has a pretty good season, because teams are only able to commit 5 or 6 to the run. Otherwise, they'd be scorched over the top by Campbell.

And who gives a shit about efficiency and yards per attempt, when all it means is Brunell will efficiently lose if Washington gets behind in the game? At least with Campbell, I know he's going to make every attempt to win the game. I was at the end of the season debacle against the Giants, and if it was Brunell going into the fourth quarter down by 14, I would have left. Since Campbell was playing I had hope, and he led two fourth quarter touchdown drives. Brunell would have found ways to take sacks or throw it away on 4th down.[/QUOTE]
And I think he got 1 win out of those TD drives.
Campbell missed too many throws, And most were easy ones to make.

Who cares about efficientcy? Campbell was under 50% on third down plays. That means no long drives without a 50+ yard play. Can we honestly rely on huge gains for scoring every game?

Who cares about Yard Per attempt? It proves that campbell dinks and dunks it as much as MB, And thats with the safeties playing deep!

Also,Brunell Didnt take many sacks. Actually he was sacked less than JC.
and no one throws the ball away on fourth down...

I agree that the running game benefited from campbell being in there.

But campbells short coming are he is inaccurate and throws the ball to defenders. Hopefully that will be fixed with another year. But he did not play better than brunell, IMO.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;268916]:food-smil

For clarification: what blame are you speaking of? For the season on the whole or a specific event?[/QUOTE]

We would crucify a player that took himself out of a game for non visible injury.
Could you imagine what we would say if brunell took himself out of a game in the 4th quarter saying his arm wasnt there today.

JG has the responsibility of starting the best QB for the team each week. He clearly thought it was brunell regardless of injury.
Gibbs, the QB coach and Saunders see all of MB's throws in practice. They should be able to tell if he had an injured arm.

Btw, Do people honestly want Todd Collins on the roster next year?

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[quote=jamf;269042]Btw, Do people honestly want Todd Collins on the roster next year?[/quote]

As the 3rd QB... sure why not?

He knows this offense and can be a valuable asset for Campbell as he continues to learn the offense.

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[quote=jamf;269042]We would crucify a player that took himself out of a game for non visible injury.
Could you imagine what we would say if brunell took himself out of a game in the 4th quarter saying his arm wasnt there today.

JG has the responsibility of starting the best QB for the team each week. He clearly thought it was brunell regardless of injury.
Gibbs, the QB coach and Saunders see all of MB's throws in practice. They should be able to tell if he had an injured arm.

Btw, Do people honestly want Todd Collins on the roster next year?

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I think we did rag on a player who took themself out of a game this year but I can't remember who it was or if they played for the Skins. If you look at the number MB moved the ball as well as JC and we had to give him the chance to get the job done. We had to many other factors which cost us games to know if he hurt us while in the game. We switched QB at the right time and I feel JC will improve with more time. If the coaches would have started JC lets say after game 2 and lost as many games as he did when he did start everyone would be yelling about why did we make a change at QB.

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I just remember who that player was who took themself out of the game in the 4th and it was Micheal Vick and people gave him a hard time for doing so.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;268903]I thought it was obvious,I blame them both
wtf!! you broke your ankle and scored 6 goals! what do you do when your ankles not broke? are you mario lemeiux?[/QUOTE]

I had hockey in my blood. That was when I was in JV hockey. I was a varsity caliber player as a freshman, but had no room at the time on the varsity team, so I was the captain of the JV team and it was a joke for me. The most I ever scored in a game was 6 but I did that 2 times.
Just so you know, we lost that game 13-12, and I feel that my normally tough D was weak and helped us to lose the game.

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[quote=jamf;269040]And I think he got 1 win out of those TD drives.
Campbell missed too many throws, And most were easy ones to make.

Who cares about efficientcy? Campbell was under 50% on third down plays. That means no long drives without a 50+ yard play. Can we honestly rely on huge gains for scoring every game?

Who cares about Yard Per attempt? It proves that campbell dinks and dunks it as much as MB, And thats with the safeties playing deep!

Also,Brunell Didnt take many sacks. Actually he was sacked less than JC.
and no one throws the ball away on fourth down...[/quote]

The only legitimate knock on Campbell so far is his completion percentage, which should get better with experience. The beloved Mark Brunell's completion percentage was a combined 51% in his first two seasons.

As far as sacks, yes Brunell had less, but that's because Brunell would throw the ball away as soon as a defender was within 3 yards of him. Campbell will stand in and take a shot if it means he has a chance to make a play.

Turnovers? Brunell, had four picks which is actually higher than I expected considering he never took chances. Campbell who made his professional debut this season had six. A few of them were bad reads but again, it's to be expected. Brunell put the ball on the ground five times and lost one. Campbell put the ball on the ground once and lost none.

I swear, it seems like some of you Brunell lovers didn't even watch the games, and are basing your entire argument on his numbers which are adequate at best. A quarterback who's only goal is not to lose his starting job is not the type of player I want leading my team.

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Brunell will never be free of this bashing, it seems....

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I honestly don't know how anyone could hold up stats and say, "look, this proves Brunell played better". If that's the case, statiscally speaking, Mark Brunell is one of the better quarterbacks in the NFC.

The offense was clearly more dynamic with Campbell in the game. As has been stated repeatedly, defenses played and schemed differently with Campbell in the game. I also think the offensive line kicked up a couple of notches because they could breathe a little with JC in there.

South, you're correct about the sack total. It was a direct correlation to Brunell's unwillingness to stand in the pocket and take a hit.

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[quote=hesscl34;269075]Brunell will never be free of this bashing, it seems....[/quote]

I forgot, Brunell "bashing" is frowned upon in spite of the fact that he's probably seen his last starting gig, but bashing the current and future leader of the team, who has shown tremendous promise, is perfectly acceptable.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;269077]I honestly don't know how anyone could hold up stats and say, "look, this proves Brunell played better". If that's the case, statiscally speaking, Mark Brunell is one of the better quarterbacks in the NFC.

The offense was clearly more dynamic with Campbell in the game. As has been stated repeatedly, defenses played and schemed differently with Campbell in the game. I also think the offensive line kicked up a couple of notches because they could breathe a little with JC in there.

South, you're correct about the sack total. It was a direct correlation to Brunell's unwillingness to stand in the pocket and take a hit.[/QUOTE]

Ok, but how much of it was just a matter of the offense as a whole getting more comfortable? I mean in the second half of the season there was a heavier dose of "Gibbs football" right? And that's what most of these players know from the past couple of years.

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[quote=TAFKAS;269080]Ok, but how much of it was just a matter of the offense as a whole getting more comfortable? I mean in the second half of the season there was a heavier dose of "Gibbs football" right? And that's what most of these players know from the past couple of years.[/quote]


Oh I definitely think there was some of that too. But I also think, Jason's intangibles helped bridge that transition.

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so many things to say I don't know where to start. I'll try:
1) see Matty's earlier post about medicine not being an exact science. someone can be "sore" not knowing they may have a serious injury
2) MB won his job, and Gibbs started him until we got to 6 losses (according to the washpost). You can't blame him for that given the expectations of the team.
3) JC is far better than MB at this point & we should all be happy for that.
4) I really hope MB retires. He can help us on the sideline, but do you really want him in a game given what he's been through & what we've seen? I don't question his integrity, but I think he plays w/more caution than passion at this point of his career.
5) I've said this before, we need to get a young qb, either in the draft late, or undrafted, or sign a fa to a reasonable deal. We need to groom a backup, MB & TC are both too old.

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[quote=Southpaw;269071]The only legitimate knock on Campbell so far is his completion percentage, which should get better with experience. The beloved Mark Brunell's completion percentage was a combined 51% in his first two seasons.

As far as sacks, yes Brunell had less, but that's because Brunell would throw the ball away as soon as a defender was within 3 yards of him. Campbell will stand in and take a shot if it means he has a chance to make a play.

Turnovers? Brunell, had four picks which is actually higher than I expected considering he never took chances. Campbell who made his professional debut this season had six. A few of them were bad reads but again, it's to be expected. Brunell put the ball on the ground five times and lost one. Campbell put the ball on the ground once and lost none.

I swear, it seems like some of you Brunell lovers didn't even watch the games, and are basing your entire argument on his numbers which are adequate at best. A quarterback who's only goal is not to lose his starting job is not the type of player I want leading my team.[/quote]I really don't think you should be questioning whether anyone who has anything positive to say about MB's on field performance watched the games. It makes it seem personal. Plus, you know as well as I do that everyone on this fourm watches the games when they can.

I absolutely agree that Campbell's completion percentage will increase with more expierience. The reason why it will increase is [B]because he will begin to do some of the things that Brunell, a seasoned vet, was doing[/B] [B]this year[/B]. When he takes the underneath guy as it's given to him, he will complete a higher percentage. By completing a higher percentage, he will also complete more yards/attempt, which makes sense, because the goal of passing is to get as many yards as you can on a per pass basis. Higher YPA=good passer, lower YPA=poor passer. Yeah, thats oversimplifing...a lot, but if a guy throws for [I]over a yard more[/I] [I][U]per pass[/U][/I] in the [I]exact same system as another[/I], there is little question of who played better.

We can go over all day about how Brunell got his yards by throwing underneath and having the recievers get YAC, but Campbell had the same luxury. It was the same offensive system.

At some point very early next season (a few games in), I would expect Campbell to improve to a level beyond where Mark Brunell's steady play is right now. But we shouldn't be crucifing Gibbs for any decision made with the QBs this year.

It's a good thing JC got some playing time this year, because it puts our offense in great position for next year, but we might have sacrificed a ballgame or two in doing so. Campbell's two best games came in losses.

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[quote=jamf;268877]I'm tired of the brunell bashing.
He ran the team the way JG wanted him to. He did an OK job with the way the other 10 guys played.
MB had to deal with all the bullshit from Gibbs/Saunders, WR Corp, Crappy Line Play, and Defence getting blown out.

MB had a higher Yards Per attempt Average and More plays over than 20 yards( Ave per game) than JC.

I'm glad the switch to JC was made. Now we can move on to a new era. But, MB played better than JC. JC didn't throw downfield either, he dumped off to Cooley and still missed those throws!

Brunell is a class act and a Business man. He is not going to step away from gauranteed money. No one would. I don't want to hear people say he should restructor and retire. The team screwed up and signed him to a large contract. Mark did his part, Now the team has to live up to it. I'm tired of players holding out and I'm tired of fans expecting players to give back money when they can no longer play just because its right for the team.

Here is another potential problem: If we cut him, will we have to pay extra for an injury settlement? He was hurt in a game...

It's time to redirect the blame from Brunell to the front office.[/quote]

Is this post a joke? Seriously...

Crappy line play? Statistically they were one of the top lines in the league.

Brunell played better than Campbell? JC didn't throw downfield? He threw more bombs in one half than Brunell did all year.

Seriously, I will give you $300 for an ounce of what you are smoking.

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[quote=hesscl34;269075]Brunell will never be free of this bashing, it seems....[/quote]


Brunell shouldn't be bashed. He was hurt. The idiots that kept starting him when they knew he was hurt should be bashed.

This isn't the first time by the way. It was acknowledged that Brunell should have been benched and allowed to heal after he hurt his hamstring in '04.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;269244]Is this post a joke? Seriously...

Crappy line play? Statistically they were one of the top lines in the league.

Brunell played better than Campbell? JC didn't throw downfield? He threw more bombs in one half than Brunell did all year.

Seriously, I will give you $300 for an ounce of what you are smoking.[/QUOTE]

No it's not a joke.

Brunell Completed more passes for 20+ yards(by almost double). They both Dink and Dunked all day.
Brunell throw for more yard per game than campbell with less interceptions.

I will agree that the safeties backed off when JC came in, Which created room for Betts. But on 3rd downs, JC had a 71 QB rating while MB had a 90. He couldnt make plays.

Joe Gibbs wanted a QB who could manage the game and hope the gamebreakers made enough plays to put of points. In that type of system, MB was the better QB.

With that said, It's time to move on. I hope JC is the next Tom Brady or Montana. All of his flaws can be fixed with a good QB coach.
Btw, I think we need a real QB coach not lazor. I guess I will bring this up in another thread.

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Crappy line play?

Sorry but that's just so off base it's not even funny.

Our line was the only one in the league to be in the top 7 for sacks allowed and rushing yards.

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[quote=Mattyk72;269301]Crappy line play?

Sorry but that's just so off base it's not even funny.

Our line was the only one in the league to be in the top 7 for sacks allowed and rushing yards.[/quote]Well, early on, we were getting a lot of pressure on our QB and there were no holes in the running game. Obviously, having Christian Fauria on the field isn't going to help with the opening of any holes, but the O-Line shoulders at least some of the blame for some early season blocking woes.

I'll agree that those things are a thing of the past. The last 6 games we had huge gaping holes to run through and adequate to good pass protection. Still, we had a few rough showings in September and October from the guys up front.

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[quote=GTripp0012;269342]Well, early on, we were getting a lot of pressure on our QB and there were no holes in the running game. Obviously, having Christian Fauria on the field isn't going to help with the opening of any holes, but the O-Line shoulders at least some of the blame for some early season blocking woes.

I'll agree that those things are a thing of the past. The last 6 games we had huge gaping holes to run through and adequate to good pass protection. Still, we had a few rough showings in September and October from the guys up front.[/quote]

I will at least grant you that, the dallas, NYG, & Tenn. games early on were pretty bad. Also the colts game. Those were the games when the whole team sucked.
By the end of the year though, you have to say our O line stepped up more than any other unit (except maybe punt coverage due to AA's stellar play!).