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If Hillary does win her primary, when it comes time to go up against the republican candidate, she's going to have to deal with serious family values issues. Her husband cheated on her. And she's still with him. The spin fest will be in full force on that issue.

Republicans will paint her and Bill as having a troubled marriage and an instable relationship (appealing to family values). She'll try to spin it as she knows people makes mistakes, forgiveness is important, and she's honoring the vows she made to stand by him until death do them part.

If she makes it past Obama, I'm really wondering how that issue's going to be dealt with.

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[quote=Schneed10;271823]If Hillary does win her primary, when it comes time to go up against the republican candidate, she's going to have to deal with serious family values issues. Her husband cheated on her. And she's still with him. The spin fest will be in full force on that issue.

Republicans will paint her and Bill as having a troubled marriage and an instable relationship (appealing to family values). She'll try to spin it as she knows people makes mistakes, forgiveness is important, and she's honoring the vows she made to stand by him until death do them part.

If she makes it past Obama, I'm really wondering how that issue's going to be dealt with.[/quote]

If she's anything like Bill she'll fight back just as hard. That's something that's been seriously lacking in the Democratic party since Clinton was in office. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

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I would be more worried about the fact she has one of the highest disliked quotients of all politicians. She has many fans but just as many (if not more) people who will never vote for her. I don't think she can win a general election.

I seriously question is Obama can. I think our country still has latent race issues that will be hard to over come.

Their only hope is that the Repubs only options are Rudy and McCain.

What a total bag of losers the whole field is right now.

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[quote=dmek25;271701]john mcain and [B]rudy guiliani[/B] are the 2 republican front runners right now. you want to talk about horrible candidates. i dont understand some of the strong feelings of hatred towards hillary clinton. can someone please explain it? or is it the whole woman in power thing?[/quote]

new york city was a complete dump before guiliani took office. He basiclly got new york back on there feet. there crime rate has dropped signicantly and he also helped clean up the huge mess left by those asshole terrorist.

he gets my vote

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i just dont like hilary "i cant believe it's not" clinton.

i dont like her one bit. she seems slimy.

if there was a woman running that i can actually see running our country good then i would definetly vote for them. i have no problem with women running for pres, i just have a problem with hilary clintons.

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Pataki!!!

Sorry, I took some survey which said I should vote for him should he run. If I find it I'll link it. I think it's in ontheissues.org

PATAKI!!!

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I really hope Pataki runs, he would be a sure loss for the republicans.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;271831]What a total bag of losers the whole field is right now.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya brother ... douchebags and turd sandwiches. But, let's not forget: that's how all the elections are.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;271851]I really hope Pataki runs, he would be a sure loss for the republicans.[/QUOTE]

You dissin' on my boy GP?

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;271852]I hear ya brother ... douchebags and turd sandwiches. But, let's not forget: that's how all the elections are.[/QUOTE]
Vote or DIE, bitch!

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[quote=firstdown;271819]What is so horrible about Rudy Guiliani? He went against the grain in New York and did wonders in cleaning up the city against allot of pressure to back down on his fight against crime and other issues. Then he did a great job after we where attacked on 9/11.[/quote]
do we have that short a memory around here? mr guiliani was cheating on his wife, while still being married. this is one of the biggest no nos in politics. every republican on the planet wanted bill clinton impeached for having sex in the white house, but because of 9-11, everything is forgotten?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;271962]do we have that short a memory around here? mr guiliani was cheating on his wife, while still being married. this is one of the biggest no nos in politics. every republican on the planet wanted bill clinton impeached for having sex in the white house, but because of 9-11, everything is forgotten?[/QUOTE]

Clinton [B]was[/B] impeached because he perjured.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;271864]Vote or DIE, bitch![/quote]

[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vo0XXJbN_Jo]YouTube - vote or die[/url]

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;271966]Clinton [B]was[/B] impeached because he perjured.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

Why let facts get in the way right?

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and the connection with bin ladan and iraq was real? thats more of an impeachable offense. the only thing ruined in clintons lies was lewinskis dress

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[quote=Mattyk72;271829]If she's anything like Bill she'll fight back just as hard. That's something that's been seriously lacking in the Democratic party since Clinton was in office. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.[/quote]
Have you even been watching the political seen. They have put up a fight with just about anything President Bush has tried to do. Take appointment of judges and not just to the sup.court. If anything I think its the Republican party which has backed down and not put up much of a fight.

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Did anybody catch the shot of her during the Address last night? I was watching CBS telecast and her mouth was twisted upwards in a sort of smirking half-smile. Not an unusual look for her but it projects her as seeming more arrogant than confident.

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[quote=dmek25;271986]and the connection with bin ladan and iraq was real? thats more of an impeachable offense. the only thing ruined in clintons lies was lewinskis dress[/quote]
Please post any statement where Bush has said there was a conection between Bin Ladan and Iraq. It was not Lawenski (spelling) it was the other lady (not sure of her name) who sued him for sexual harasment which he lied and then that got the whole Lawenski thing going. Sorry this is starting to get political I could not let this go because its not correct. Bush did say there was a tie to terrorist which has been proven but not Bin Laden and 9/11 which he has never claimed.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;272121]Did anybody catch the shot of her during the Address last night? I was watching CBS telecast and her mouth was twisted upwards in a sort of smirking half-smile. Not an unusual look for her but it projects her as seeming more arrogant than confident.[/quote]

No worse than those stupid smug looks dubya always seems to have

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Dikembe Mutombo!! He da man! Whether you're red or blue you must agree.

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[quote=Mattyk72;272133]No worse than those stupid smug looks dubya always seems to have[/quote]

True, but Dubya's smug look usually comes from realizing that he didn't screw up pronouncing a polysyllabic word.

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dubya always seems to have this condescending attitude which I find hilarious considering how dumb the guy is.

I love this classic Bushism:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

What a dipshit.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;272143]dubya always seems to have this condescending attitude which I find hilarious considering how dumb the guy is.

I love this classic Bushism:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

What a dipshit.[/QUOTE]


That is probably one of funniest moments Presidential history. He's such a tool.

Do you guys ever see the Letterman segment when they do "Great moments in Presidential Speeches" or something like that? Its pretty f-ing funny.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;272143]dubya always seems to have this condescending attitude which I find hilarious considering how dumb the guy is.

I love this classic Bushism:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

What a dipshit.[/QUOTE]

That's definitely my favorite too. I'm also a fan of Dan Quayle quotes, as you can see by my signature.

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[quote=Mattyk72;272143]dubya always seems to have this condescending attitude which I find hilarious considering how dumb the guy is.

I love this classic Bushism:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

What a dipshit.[/quote]I have to say I like the Bushisms myself but if he is that dumb what does that say about the Dem. party which is batting 0 against him.

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[quote=firstdown;272153]I have to say I like the Bushisms myself but if he is that dumb what does that say about the Dem. party which is batting 0 against him.[/quote]

I agree, and as I said before I think their main problem is they don't fight back hard enough and with the same vigor that the Republicans do.

dubya owes everything to Karl Rove.

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[quote=Mattyk72;272165]I agree, and as I said before I think their main problem is they don't fight back hard enough and with the same vigor that the Republicans do.

dubya owes everything to Karl Rove.[/quote]
Karl Rove was a big help but Bush as in anyone running for office becomes the bottom line. I posted earlier to your post about the Dems not fighting back but you must have missed the past 6 years. They have fought him on everything he has done except around 9/11. I think that has hurt the Dem. party because at times it has seemed that all they have done is bitched, moaned, and complained but never offered any plains of their own. On some issues it seemed they just complained to complain.

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[quote=firstdown;272173]Karl Rove was a big help but Bush as in anyone running for office becomes the bottom line. I posted earlier to your post about the Dems not fighting back but you must have missed the past 6 years. They have fought him on everything he has done except around 9/11. I think that has hurt the Dem. party because at times it has seemed that all they have done is bitched, moaned, and complained but never offered any plains of their own. On some issues it seemed they just complained to complain.[/quote]

What I mean by fighting back is when the Republicans start slinging the mud, the dems typically try to take the 'higher road' but sometimes you've gotta sling that mud right back. Clinton was great at that. He would fight on their level.

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Jon Stewart had a great quote about the upcoming (at the time) State of the Union on Monday night's Daily Show. He said something like [I]"and once again it's time for a clash of two bitter rivals: the president and words."[/I]
When he's speaking he comes across as so ignorant that I have a hard time understanding how people can take him seriously.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;272210]What I mean by fighting back is when the Republicans start slinging the mud, the dems typically try to take the 'higher road' but sometimes you've gotta sling that mud right back. Clinton was great at that. He would fight on their level.[/QUOTE]

Not to get political too much here but if you think the Dems don't sling mud you are fooling your self Matty. Both parties do it like Rembrandt.

I think that is the biggest political problem in the country. People in each party think those in the other party are horrible and do bad things when it all reality they ALL just suck. There is barely a politician in DC I'd let babysit my kid.

It has become way too competitive and 'Us versus them' to do any good for the country.

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Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. In general I see the Dems as weak and too concerned with taking the higher ground when at times they need to be more aggressive and strong.

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[quote=Mattyk72;272210]What I mean by fighting back is when the Republicans start slinging the mud, the dems typically try to take the 'higher road' but sometimes you've gotta sling that mud right back. Clinton was great at that. He would fight on their level.[/quote]Slinging mud is all the Democrats have done for the past 6 years and I would say its quite the opposite. What kind of mud slinging have the Republican party been doing?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;272143]dubya always seems to have this condescending attitude which I find hilarious considering how dumb the guy is.

I love this classic Bushism:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

What a dipshit.[/QUOTE]


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM]YouTube - President Bush -- Fool me Once[/url]

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This is great...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJbHRfBInd8]YouTube - Daily Show sums up Bush Speeches[/url]

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;271535]hmmmm .... I wonder how the women will vote.

At first I thought she didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell, but if the women come out in force, then that could change things.[/quote]

I'm a woman, and there is no shot in hell that I'll be voting for her...

Re: Hilary Clinton to run for President
 

Hess for prez!

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[quote=hesscl34;272259]I'm a woman, and there is no shot in hell that I'll be voting for her...[/quote]

Is it because she has a bigger set of nuts than her man?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;272268]Is it because she has a bigger set of nuts than her man?[/quote]

No, it's because it's all about power and glory to her... and control. It isn't about America and it's people.... and what she can do for them.

I cannot stand either Clinton and I'll pray that she is NOT the first woman president of the US. (god help us)

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[quote=firstdown;272122]Please post any statement where Bush has said there was a conection between Bin Ladan and Iraq. It was not Lawenski (spelling) it was the other lady (not sure of her name) who sued him for sexual harasment which he lied and then that got the whole Lawenski thing going. Sorry this is starting to get political I could not let this go because its not correct. Bush did say there was a tie to terrorist which has been proven but not Bin Laden and 9/11 which he has never claimed.[/quote]
this is a fabricated story, along with the weapons of mass destruction, that the republicans wanted the public to believe in, so that w could invade iraq. and finish something his daddy couldnt

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[quote=FRPLG;272227]Not to get political too much here but if you think the Dems don't sling mud you are fooling your self Matty. Both parties do it like Rembrandt.

I think that is the biggest political problem in the country. People in each party think those in the other party are horrible and do bad things when it all reality they ALL just suck. There is barely a politician in DC I'd let babysit my kid.

It has become way too competitive and 'Us versus them' to do any good for the country.[/quote]
i think what matty is trying to say, to use an example, is like when the swift boat repulicans denounced john keryys wartime experience. for the most part, no one in the party said a word, they just stood by silently, and took it. here was a decorated war veteran, getting dragged thru the mud, and the democrats let it happen