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[quote=Mattyk72;276581]I think this offseason the team really needs to commit to this notion of what it means to be a core Redskin. We've seen too many of these so called core guys slip away. Trading away someone like Betts would just be another move that the players would quietly grumble over in the locker room and it would only further weaken an already shaky ground between the coaches and players.

If Gibbs and company are really serious about building and retaining key guys, they really need to step up to the plate and deliver.[/quote]

what sucks is seeing the "core" guys going and playing well for other teams while we sign more expensive, crappier replacements :( .

betts was a good move. dock could have been upgraded the last two years, but it looks like he's finally figured it out, and for consistancy, re-signing him would be another good move.

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I'm sick of all this "business" crap. The fact that the NFL is a "business" isn't justification for f*cking your players in the ass. To trade Betts now would be nothing short of criminal.

How would any of you guys feel if your employer treated you like that? Yeah, these guys are rich, but they are still human, they still have families, and they still have lives. You just don't F with somebody like that, and call it "business". :doh:

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Beemnseven:

You got it right.

The Redskins' front office usually does dress up in clown costumes and clown shoes during the free agency season but they save the full clown wear - and put on the big red noses - only at draft time.

Then during the season they dress up in white shirts and ties to sit in Danny Boy's box at FedEx Field just in case the cameras focus up there. It would be unseemly for someon on SportsCenter to ask, "What the hell is Clarabelle the Clown doing looking over Danny Boy's shoulder?" :cheeky-sm

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;277569]Beemnseven:

You got it right.

The Redskins' front office usually does dress up in clown costumes and clown shoes during the free agency season but they save the full clown wear - and put on the big red noses - only at draft time.

Then during the season they dress up in white shirts and ties to sit in Danny Boy's box at FedEx Field just in case the cameras focus up there. It would be unseemly for someon on SportsCenter to ask, "What the hell is Clarabelle the Clown doing looking over Danny Boy's shoulder?" :cheeky-sm[/quote]

She would be humming a 50's song and serving a milkshake on Roller skates to TomKat.

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ive got a crazy thought....after seeing what betts did in the last 6 games well minus the fumbles i was somewhat suprised with what i saw. Maybe shop Portis....might not get great value due to the injury...but starting to question if he is the right back for the offense we are trying to use.

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Once Again Our Offense Is Set 4th Best Run Offense Without Portis For 8 Games!!!!!!! We Need Defensive We Know That But A Secret Need That No One Is Mentioning We Need A Kick Returner Not A Punt Returner Cause Randle El Is Good But He Doesnt Do Kicks Look At What Devin Hester And Justin Miller Did For Their Teams In Terms Of Average Starting Position We Need A True Kickoff Returner

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we have a true kick off returner, and he's good enough. upgrading the kick returner isn't going to make a huge difference in wins and losses.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;277681]Once Again Our Offense Is Set 4th Best Run Offense Without Portis For 8 Games!!!!!!! We Need Defensive We Know That But A Secret Need That No One Is Mentioning We Need A Kick Returner Not A Punt Returner Cause Randle El Is Good But He Doesnt Do Kicks Look At What Devin Hester And Justin Miller Did For Their Teams In Terms Of Average Starting Position We Need A True Kickoff Returner[/quote]

I take it you weren't watching week 2 in Dallas when Rock returned the kick for a touchdown. We're fine at both returner positions.

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i saw that yes but what did he do for us after that nothing

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Rock is a good kick returner. He was 17th in the NFL in terms of his average on kick returns. That means he was middle of the pack. There are a lot of concerns about this team, but kick returner is not one of them. He was one of six players in the NFL to return a kick for a touchdown last season. Considering we had no idea that he was serviceable as a kick returner before this season I'd say that's pretty good.

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i am saying after we get everything else a nice solid kickoff returner wouldn hurt us especially when jason campbell is in the develpomental stage

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;277808]i am saying after we get everything else a nice solid kickoff returner wouldn hurt us especially when jason campbell is in the develpomental stage[/quote]

It would be nice to happen upon the next Devin Hester or Desmond Howard but there are not enough positions on a team to sign a guy just to specialize in that. The best we can hope for is that we bring in a speedster as a late round pick at DB, WR, or RB who has the speed, vision, and toughness to be that guy. Then, we can have the best of both worlds as we develop a guy at a position while he earns his pay on special teams.

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there is one ted ginn but the skins are gonna draft him eddie drummond is suppose to be a free agent he will not command a hig salary but dont see that happening so we will have rock again next year

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Ginn out of ohio state is a phenom on kick returns to bad we can't swing a deal for him, but I thought that was partly why we signed Randll'el? Did we miss the boat again? And here we are disgussing a need that was supposed to be addressed last off season.

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no we got the punt return aspect down but he doesnt return kicks

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Hey, here's an idea:

The Skins have two really good RBs so they might deal from strength there.

The Skins desperately need help on defense - and particularly in the defensive backfield where it would be nice to have someone who could actually cover an NFL caliber receiver who didn't to happen to have a broken leg on game day.

So here's a trade the Skins should think about:


How about Portis to Denver for Champ Bailey? Maybe we could get the Broncos to toss in a draft pick too...


Just a thought. :confused:

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Never Going To Happen

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;277894]Never Going To Happen[/QUOTE]

Don't be so sure, if Gibbs was fired and then hired in denver it would be a done deal.

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who in their right mind would fire a 3 time super bowl champion and hall of fame coach

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;276459]I did not make my point as clearly as I should have. I apologize. What is your backup runningback's play last year going to do to fill your defensive holes for next year?

Here is a newsflash, chief, Clinton Portis is the feature back next year. If you told a coach that they would have Clinton Portis and Anna Nicole Smith as a backup, they would feel pretty good about their runningback situation. If Portis stays healthy, Betts may get to touch the ball six times a game. Is that the best use of a guy who can carry the load? Is a second or third round pick more valuable to you when you have 7 guys getting surgery and you have holes at every level on defense? I would say so.[/quote]

I don't agree with you. Betts is far too important to trade away. We need to keep our offensive AS IS!!!!! 100% besides Brunell and Patten and which ever other bench warmers need to go. Our main O is all good. Campbell will be MUCH better.

I do agree that our Defense needs MAJOR work on the front 7. Draft a stud at # 6 and sign a key CB free agent like Nate or Samuels.

Anybody think Walt Harris was any good?????? PRO BOWL THINKS SO.

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that guy has it 100% correct and walt harris you gotta remember was a beast coming out of college and has always been solid

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;277943]that guy has it 100% correct and walt harris you gotta remember was a beast coming out of college and has always been solid[/QUOTE]

I really dont want to hear it about us letting Walt Harris go. I dare someone to find me someone who thought it was a bad idea to let him go. Yeah he made a big tackle against Dallas, thats it. The guy got beat deep all the time, and really screwed us in Tampa last year. Guess what, if we win that game in Tampa, we win our division, and are looking at maybe a first round bye. Solid my ass, he had more P.I.'s than I can count (although some were bad calls), I'm not going to get mad at the team for this one, the guy had an exceptional year in San Fransisco, you think he would have played like that in our defense? I dont think so.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;277904]who in their right mind would fire a 3 time super bowl champion and hall of fame coach[/QUOTE]

A team that has gone 21-27 the last 3 years. They wont fire him because of what he's done in Washington, but if this wasen't Joe Gibbs (like a Vermeil or some other bigname coach), I think they'd be gone personally.

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SF has better pressure than the skins right now.

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i am not mad we let him go i am just saying he was never a bad player

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Trade Portis for picks.
Trade Adam for wine coolers.
Trade Vinny for Shah Pourdanesh's first born.

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Now Why Would We Trade Portis

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;277893]So here's a trade the Skins should think about:

How about Portis to Denver for Champ Bailey? Maybe we could get the Broncos to toss in a draft pick too...


Just a thought. :confused:[/quote]

Always the jokester! :lol:

Curmudgeon was being . . . curmudgeonly, but there are these "trade Portis ideas floating around. The better trade bait would be Betts and keep Portis.

Best idea of all is to keep both!!!