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[quote=ncskinsfanec;276865]The only good thing Lavar ever did was lay the wood on Troy Aikman. Other than that, he was a huge disapointment![/quote]

Lavar did not reach his full potential. But to call him a huge disappointment is ridicules. He's not in the class of Heath Shuler.

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If I remember correctly didn't Trotter leave Philly on bad terms and go back to have a productive career? So why can't Lavar and Mgt throw all the BS under the rug and offer him an incentive contract? It's not like we are loaded at LB. We have one proven LB on the roster. And the FA market isn't looking so good either. 50 year old, undersized London Fletcher is not the way to go. BRING BACK LAVAR.

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I do wonder if the redskins would take him back... especially all the troubles we had this year with the Defense in his departure. Although he didn't play much, he was a leader

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[quote=skinsfan69;276882]If I remember correctly didn't Trotter leave Philly on bad terms and go back to have a productive career? So why can't Lavar and Mgt throw all the BS under the rug and offer him an incentive contract? It's not like we are loaded at LB. We have one proven LB on the roster. And the FA market isn't looking so good either. 50 year old, undersized London Fletcher is not the way to go. BRING BACK LAVAR.[/quote]

Because Trotter didn't have two knee surgeries and an achillies injury.

Not to rain on the parade but I have heard a hundred times that Taylor and the other guys on the defense are undisciplined. So what exactly would Lavar (even less disciplined than the group that we have now) be bringing to the table?

If he would accept a minimum deal, I would let him try out. That is it.

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Am the only one believing that Lavar is old and injury prone? I think it would be a terrible move to bring him back. I was a solid supporter of Lavar when he was here but when he ended his contract and said that he wanted out, I was done. You don't want to be here, I don't want you here. Go to San Fran, they apparently have lots of money to throw around. Although I hope they steal Stallworth from the Eagles 1st.

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Poor Lavar, how does minimium wage sound Lavar ??? Good Luck...DON'T COME BACK... USED UP HAS BEEN OR NEVER WAS IS MORE LIKE IT! Surprised at the Petitgout move he's been a solid OT. Another suprise if they depart with Chad I thought he played well in NY.

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[quote=skinsfan69;276882]If I remember correctly didn't Trotter leave Philly on bad terms and go back to have a productive career? So why can't Lavar and Mgt throw all the BS under the rug and offer him an incentive contract? It's not like we are loaded at LB. We have one proven LB on the roster. And the FA market isn't looking so good either. 50 year old, undersized London Fletcher is not the way to go. BRING BACK LAVAR.[/quote]

I recall reading that Reid kept in touch w/Trotter & offered condolences when he blew his knee out here. I don't know if Gibbs called Lavar when he ruptured his achilles, but some of Lavar's words about Joe were pretty harsh. In addition, the Danny hates the postons if not Lavar too.
That was probably the most tragic aspect of Lavar's career in Wasington, not the injuries & undisciplined play, but his standing by his agents while the nflpa & congress questioned their ethics.
I said it in several of the many Lavar posts, I really believe the rift w/Lavar & the Danny all stems from the postons.

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I wonder if this means the g-men are ready to make a serious offer to Briggs. He may be franchised soon, but that can lead to a trade.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;276886]Because Trotter didn't have two knee surgeries and an achillies injury.

Not to rain on the parade but I have heard a hundred times that Taylor and the other guys on the defense are undisciplined. So what exactly would Lavar (even less disciplined than the group that we have now) be bringing to the table?

If he would accept a minimum deal, I would let him try out. That is it.[/quote]

That is what I said. Sign him to a contract that is loaded with incentives only if he passes a physical. I have heard that he is way ahead of schedule if that means anything.

Lavar tends to wander a bit. But all I know was his last year here, when he was on the field, he was making a difference. He was getting the ball carrier on the ground all by himself. So if he can do that then he's better than Marshall and Holdman. However I'm not sure how that would impact Rocky since they play the same position. So it's probably not going to happen.

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I'm going to eat crow now. ESPN is reporting that Arrington, Carlos Emmons, and Luke Petigout have all been released. That means that the Giants enter the offseason without two starting OLBs, a starting LT, a starting HB, or anyone of note at DT. Wow, and I thought we had holes.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763433]ESPN.com - NFL - Giants shake up roster, release Arrington, two starters[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;276893]That is what I said. Sign him to a contract that is loaded with incentives only if he passes a physical. I have heard that he is way ahead of schedule if that means anything.

Lavar tends to wander a bit. But all I know was his last year here, when he was on the field, he was making a difference. He was getting the ball carrier on the ground all by himself. So if he can do that then he's better than Marshall and Holdman. However I'm not sure how that would impact Rocky since they play the same position. So it's probably not going to happen.[/quote]

Why put incentives in there? He will be lucky to make a roster next year. Anyone who gives him a shot is doing him a favor.

He shouldn't have burnt this bridge before he left. He never looked right in Blue.

I am more interested in Petigout.

Re: Lavar Arrington and Chad Morton cut by Giants?
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;276895]Why put incentives in there? He will be lucky to make a roster next year. Anyone who gives him a shot is doing him a favor.

He shouldn't have burnt this bridge before he left. He never looked right in Blue.

I am more interested in Petigout.[/quote]

Well he did burn his bridges. That is true.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;276895]I am more interested in Petigout.[/QUOTE]

Petigout is a good starting LT and will not accept a backup role or backup pay. Thus, he is not in the Redskins plans.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;276894]I'm going to eat crow now. ESPN is reporting that Arrington, Carlos Emmons, and Luke Petigout have all been released. That means that the Giants enter the offseason without two starting OLBs, a starting LT, a starting HB, or anyone of note at DT. Wow, and I thought we had holes.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763433"]ESPN.com - NFL - Giants shake up roster, release Arrington, two starters[/URL][/quote]

The Giants have a GM so I'm sure they have a plan in place. They are not as poorly run as we are. But they have some work to do.

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Thanks for the link.

As for bringing LaVar back - even for a try-out - Dear Lord!!!

Will the LaVar worshippers ever stop? He had a shot, blew it and then showed his true colors (Q: "Who is the worst coach you ever played for?" A: "Joe Gibbs" (I saw the clip - he didn't hesitate even a beat before saying it)). LaVar hates the Skins and they probly don't like him all that much either. Why bring back the drama queen?

In one sense, both LaVar and Ramsey were two of kind - we Skins fans held them in much higher esteem then the rest of the league.

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Also, the Petitgout cut is good for us even if we don't sign him. Todd Wade did a fine job filling in - the more tackles on the market, however, the cheaper he becomes for us to resign.

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I agree, put a fork in Lavar he's done! Todd Wade did do a heck of a job.

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What if we brought Back Lavar, and Smoot. We would look just like the Eagles. Let out guys go, they fail, bring them back on the cheap side.

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Cant the mods put people here who want to bring lavar back in a 'time-out'? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

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[quote=drew54;276905]What if we brought Back Lavar, and Smoot. We would look just like the Eagles. Let out guys go, they fail, bring them back on the cheap side.[/quote]
Lavar is no longer talented. The giants cut him for a reason...

He's an over-zealous washed out linebacker who's had his shmorgusboard of physically debilitating injuries. He won't ever have a season close to those in his prime and has lost several steps.

I pray we don't get him.

Smoot is over-rated... but he's probably better than alot that's out there. We're really in bad shape on defense, and this has to be a very smart off-season.

No more Archuletta-esque moves. I'm hoping we trade down and fill as many holes as possible, because there are plenty of them.

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[quote=RobH4413;276908]Lavar is no longer talented. The giants cut him for a reason...

He's an over-zealous washed out linebacker who's had his shmorgusboard of physically debilitating injuries. He won't ever have a season close to those in his prime and has lost several steps.

I pray we don't get him.

Smoot is over-rated... but he's probably better than alot that's out there. We're really in bad shape on defense, and this has to be a very smart off-season.

No more Archuletta-esque moves. I'm hoping we trade down and fill as many holes as possible, because there are plenty of them.[/quote]

trade down too much, and the talent might not be good enough, meaning you have to upgrade once again :/.

emmons and clemons would be good depth LBs to bring in for next year.

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[QUOTE=SkinEmAll;276907]Cant the mods put people here who want to bring lavar back in a 'time-out'? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease![/QUOTE]

I guess that would mean that I would have to put myself in timeout. ;) I understand the anti-LaVar sentiments and don't care for the "Bring Back Ramsey" crowd, but I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back for the right price (aka cheap) and provided doctors clear him. He's undisciplined, melodramatic, narcissistic, and overrated, but he can also be a playmaker and a decent teammate.

I think a lot of people used to agree with me on this one. Before Arrington was cut, people loved the guy even though they recognized that he had some serious flaws. After Arrington was cut, people acted like the guy was worse than Warrick Holdman. Granted, he's had a serious injury, but one that he [I]should[/I] be able to recover from.

So, to repeat, in my mind it all depends on his price and whether he can recover from his injury.

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Think about it...we can get both Clark and Arrington back!

And I bet the D still wouldnt be nearly as good. I vote that its time to go in a new direction.

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Clark Maybe? Lavar...JOKE! Price doesn't matter, if ya can't play. Lavar wouldn't make it through camp without another injury.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;276900]Thanks for the link.

As for bringing LaVar back - even for a try-out - Dear Lord!!!

Will the LaVar worshippers ever stop? He had a shot, blew it and then showed his true colors (Q: "Who is the worst coach you ever played for?" A: "Joe Gibbs" (I saw the clip - he didn't hesitate even a beat before saying it)). LaVar hates the Skins and they probly don't like him all that much either. Why bring back the drama queen?

In one sense, both LaVar and Ramsey were two of kind - we Skins fans held them in much higher esteem then the rest of the league.[/quote]

That statement by Arrington alone shows his complete lack of character. The only time I want to see him play in D.C. again is when Chris Samuels pounds him to the ground like Sean Taylor did to that punter this past weekend. Lavar should never be welcomed back as a Redskin under any circumstance and I seriously doubt he ever will.

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Thats Great .. Get Arrington out of our division .. before we regret letting him go.

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[quote=That Guy;276909]trade down too much, and the talent might not be good enough, meaning you have to upgrade once again :/.

emmons and clemons would be good depth LBs to bring in for next year.[/quote]
This is true... It's my personal (probably very un-educated) opinion that trading down is best. I'm honestly not passionate about trading down vs. drafting a play maker.... but the over philisophical aspects of it seems like an attractive idea to me.

I think we've done a pretty good job at evaluating draft talent, and getting some steals. I'm sure If we do end up trading down, the scouts will be able to take advantage of that option. If not... I'm sure we'll get a stud.

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Arrington's best days are in the rear-view mirror. He can still probably play as a situation player somewhere, but his days as an "impact player" are gone. I think he'll be back here in DC about the same time L. Coles strolls back into Redskins Park...

Emmons had his best days in Philly where he was clearly a "system player". Time and injuries have caught up with him. He may not make it in the NFL anywhere next year; if he does catch on sonewhere, it will be for a really low cap number.

I don't understand the Pettigout move. He was their best OL until he got hurt. Cutting him says one of two things to me:

1. His recovery isn't progressing all that well.

2. He was a problem in the locker room or with the coaching staff which is back for another year.

Re: Lavar Arrington and Chad Morton cut by Giants?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;276881]Lavar did not reach his full potential. But to call him a huge disappointment is ridicules. He's not in the class of Heath Shuler.[/quote] maybe so , but Shuler never claimed to be the second coming of J. Unites ,, LA called himself the next LT and picked #56 . LT made plays in every big game they played in , ask Jacoby and the other top tackles who had to try and stop him . LA never made a big sack when we needed < minus warner > one and he never made a big stop to end a drive , in 7 years ?? I would say that is dissapointing for the 3rd pick in the draft. LA is a great athlete , not a great football player . He bitched and cryed that .. Paterno , Lewis and Williams did not know how to use his talent ,,, maybe we should believe LA ,,,,, god knows none of them have ever shown they can coach and get the best from their players . LA isthe second coming of the BOZ , not LT . !! Glad he is out of DC !!

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[quote=GTripp0012;276820]I thought Derrick Frost was playing safety next year.

:tongue[/quote]

what if we put suisham at MLB and frost at DE.

now that is a fool proof plan there.

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Arrington would be a great fit for my flag football team.

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it is actually sad that lavar's career has spiraled downward soo fast. he was one of the most dominate LB at the peek of his brief career. i thought he was done dirty by the redskins. i hope somone gives him a shot, but i believe it is over for Lavar.

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[quote=dall-assblows;276958]it is actually sad that lavar's career has spiraled downward soo fast. he was one of the most dominate LB at the peek of his brief career. i thought he was done dirty by the redskins. i hope somone gives him a shot, but i believe it is over for Lavar.[/quote]
My thoughts exactly.

I loved him to death. I was at the San Fran. game last year and he had the crowd wrapped around his finger. All he had to do was throw his hands up, and the whole place went nuts.

He'll go down as one of my favorite players to watch... but yeah.. your right. He's done.

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coming off the knee injury and the torn achilles (spelled something like that) wll be too much, especially for a linebacker. he was just starting to get his feet back underneath him before that dallas game.

Damn that is sad

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[quote=budw38;276949]maybe so , but Shuler never claimed to be the second coming of J. Unites ,, LA called himself the next LT and picked #56 . LT made plays in every big game they played in , ask Jacoby and the other top tackles who had to try and stop him . LA never made a big sack when we needed < minus warner > one and he never made a big stop to end a drive , in 7 years ?? I would say that is dissapointing for the 3rd pick in the draft. LA is a great athlete , not a great football player . He bitched and cryed that .. Paterno , Lewis and Williams did not know how to use his talent ,,, maybe we should believe LA ,,,,, god knows none of them have ever shown they can coach and get the best from their players . LA isthe second coming of the BOZ , not LT . !! Glad he is out of DC !![/quote]


Im not so sure about all that my friend. He made a few plays, could have made more.

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From being the next LT to getting let go by two teams 2 years in a row.

Gotta love it.

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[quote=RobH4413;276908]Lavar is no longer talented. The giants cut him for a reason...

[/quote]

Whe I first saw your moniker, I though it said "Over 37 pieces of Hair", which is funny in its own rite. If I had VIP money that would be mine.

Dick Cheney will convert to Wahabi Islam before Lavar ever comes back here.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;276918]I guess that would mean that I would have to put myself in timeout. ;) I understand the anti-LaVar sentiments and don't care for the "Bring Back Ramsey" crowd, but I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back for the right price (aka cheap) and provided doctors clear him. He's undisciplined, melodramatic, narcissistic, and overrated, but he can also be a playmaker and a decent teammate.

I think a lot of people used to agree with me on this one. Before Arrington was cut, people loved the guy even though they recognized that he had some serious flaws. After Arrington was cut, people acted like the guy was worse than Warrick Holdman. Granted, he's had a serious injury, but one that he [I]should[/I] be able to recover from.

So, to repeat, in my mind it all depends on his price and whether he can recover from his injury.[/quote]

I hear ya bro and agree with alot of what you are saying. Theres a small part of me (small) that would love to see LA back in a Skins uniform. And I was as pissed as anyone about how everything went down, on both sides. But everyone loved him, with all his defects, when he was here cause he was 'family'. But when he left he should have kept his mouth shut on some things, like coach Gibbs. Bitch about snyder, lindsey, we all get that, but for me he took it too far. He didnt burn his bridges, he used weapons of mass destuction and blew them biatches up!! Pass a phyiscal, vet minimum and a gag order..........maybe.

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Actually I think LA, smoot and ramsey could all find a position on snyders payroll. At johnny rockets! actually LA probaly wouldnt be ready for the rollerskates, he could sell some cotton candy at one of the six flags. lol
And on ramseys day off he could be tom cruises stunt double! haha. Man sometimes I crack myself up!

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Man LA is proven all us nay sayers right!