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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;276967]"Dysfunctional" as in 12-4? If I were a Charger fan, I would be absolutely sick. That grown men can't maintain a professional relationship indicates that one or both of them needs a serious attitude adjustment.

On an related note, next offseason should be full of head coaching candidates - Schottenheimer, Fisher, Cowher, Grimm, and several high-profile coaches should be available should Gibbs decide to retire.[/quote]
I don't think that is true. You have never had a boss or another employee or a friend of a friend that you just could not stand to be around? Sometime people clash and if your the owner you do not have to put up with it. I think now is a great time for them to make the change instead of giving it one more year. They hire a new coach and he can bring his D & O coaches which they have to replace anyways. I think it all comes down to Schottenheimer's record in the playoffs and that he and the owner do not get along.

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Bill Parcells and the Chargers anyone?

Boy, did Jim Mora jump the gun this year. He could have been eligible for no less than three jobs had he waited.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;277026]Bill Parcells and the Chargers anyone?

Boy, did Jim Mora jump the gun this year. He could have been eligible for no less than three jobs had he waited.[/QUOTE]

He's still eligible for any HC job that wants him.

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[quote=FRPLG;277030]He's still eligible for any HC job that wants him.[/quote]


Mora or Parcells?

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Seems pretty unfair to fire Schott because he wanted to give guys like Manusky a chance to better his career. Really a shame for all Chargers fans.

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[quote=TAFKAS;277037]Seems pretty unfair to fire Schott because he wanted to give guys like Manusky a chance to better his career. Really a shame for all Chargers fans.[/quote]

I think it was the fact that, what, four guys left at once that rubbed the FO the wrong way. Then he wants to bring in his brother on top of that.

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At the moment, a coach that can get you 14-2 are a bit hard to come by. Stupid, STUPID Chargers. Maybe Barry Switzer is available?

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[quote=Hog1;277041]At the moment, a coach that can get you 14-2 are a bit hard to come by. Stupid, STUPID Chargers. Maybe Barry Switzer is available?[/quote]


But that's thing, some within the organization felt that it was the very staff that he let walk was largely responsible for that very record. Marty didn't call plays on either side of the ball.

That along with the fact he and AJ Smith didn't agree on major personnel moves sealed his fate.

I think he'll land a job somewhere. Ultimately, the Chargers may regret this one.

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[quote=12thMan;277043]But that's thing, some within the organization felt that it was the very staff that he let walk was largely responsible for that very record. Marty didn't call plays on either side of the ball.

That along with the fact he and AJ Smith didn't agree on major personnel moves sealed his fate.

I think he'll land a job somewhere. Ultimately, the Chargers may regret this one.[/quote]
How did Marty let the guys walk that would be a function of the owner or FO and not the coach. Yes, the coach could try to get them and stay but if the money and the job is better why stay. Thats why we gave Williams such a good deal there is no need for him to take another job.

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[quote=firstdown;277055]How did Marty let the guys walk that would be a function of the owner or FO and not the coach. Yes, the coach could try to get them and stay but if the money and the job is better why stay. Thats why we gave Williams such a good deal there is no need for him to take another job.[/quote]

Well, yes and no. He couldn't just stop them, but you have to figure when you have the TE coach, the DC and OC, and linebackers coach leave at once, something's up with the head coach.

Why not promote somebody. I'm sure Marty had some type of input.

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this is the craziest thing I have seen in a long time. a coach rebuilds your 2-14 squad into a 14-2 powerhouse and gets canned after his PLAYERS fumbled away their chances at a AFC championship and possible a super bowl birth. The egos in the NFL reign supreme with coaches and GMs. the fact the offensive and defensive coordinators get jobs else where and he couldn't name his own replacements is crazy. I hope the team goes in the toilet. Marty deserves better treatment than that. He deserved better treatment when he was here! Who is going to coach that team now. I bet Wade Philips is pissed!

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[quote=12thMan;277064]Well, yes and no. He couldn't just stop them, but you have to figure when you have the TE coach, the DC and OC, and linebackers coach leave at once, something's up with the head coach.

Why not promote somebody. I'm sure Marty had some type of input.[/quote]

you do have a point. You would think a 14-2 team is pertty sound in the organization???

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[quote=12thMan;277043]But that's thing, some within the organization felt that it was the very staff that he let walk was largely responsible for that very record. Marty didn't call plays on either side of the ball.

That along with the fact he and AJ Smith didn't agree on major personnel moves sealed his fate.

I think he'll land a job somewhere. Ultimately, the Chargers may regret this one.[/quote]

I think people the owner and the GM of the Chargers are really stupid. I would have fired the GM and brought in someone else. Marty does not call plays but neither does Lovie Smith, Gibbs, Dungy, Bill Cowher, I could go on and on. Lot's and lot's of coaches don't call plays.

I think where Marty excels is in practice. He likes to teach and I sure wish he was still our coach.

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[quote=skinsfan69;276934]Chargers are pathetic.[/quote]

I agree. Living in San Diego all my life, I've noticed that as soon as a San Diego team does well (including the Padres) they start to either dismantle the front office or its player personnel. San Diego will never have a championship team without CONTINUITY.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;277064]Well, yes and no. He couldn't just stop them, but you have to figure when you have the TE coach, the DC and OC, and linebackers coach leave at once, something's up with the head coach.

Why not promote somebody. I'm sure Marty had some type of input.[/QUOTE]

As for the coordinator positions, promotion was really not an option; the only place to go is to Head Coach. Also, both Phillips and Cameron have been HC options for some time, and either or both leaving was certainly forseeable.

As for the TE and LB coach, it is true that internal promotions [I]may[/I] have solved it. But, were these two guys gonna be the new OC and DC? or would they have to make multiple internal promotions to get the appropriate internal person into coordinators' positions.

Undoubtedly, the uncertainty of Marty's situation caused asst. coaches to look elsewhere. Whether or not more money or internal promotions would have changed this is, IMO, questionable.

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I heard a rumor that they may consider Norv. If they fire Marty and give it to Norv they are insane.

I wonder if Carroll wants out of USC before the sh** hits the fan?

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All I know is that whomever gets the job is one lucky guy. That team has loads and loads of young talent (Rivers, LT, the entire O-line, Gates, Merriman, Phillips, Castillo, etc.).

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;277102]All I know is that whomever gets the job is one lucky guy. That team has loads and loads of young talent (Rivers, LT, the entire O-line, Gates, Merriman, Phillips, Castillo, etc.).[/quote]

And crazy management/ownership to fight with every day he's on the payroll.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;277099]I heard a rumor that they may consider Norv. If they fire Marty and give it to Norv they are insane.

I wonder if Carroll wants out of USC before the sh** hits the fan?[/quote]

Cam Cameron got the job because when Norv left they wanted to keep the same offense in place. So it could be Norv or Mike Martz. Norv would be a good coach for SD. They already have solid vets on that team and self starters. Norv is fine if the everything is already in place and he doesn't have to be an ass kicker/baby sitter.

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[quote=Buster;277103]And crazy management/ownership to fight with every day he's on the payroll.[/quote]

I blame all of this on the owner. Spanos is soft. He should have sat both of them down and laid down the guidelines. You do this and you do that. This is your job and you don't interfere here and you don't interfere there. If you get out of line your fired. Simple as that. You just came off a 14-2 record with loads of talent. Can't we all just get along???

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im not sure marty is without blame. didnt he and snyder have just about the same tiff, which lead to his firing?

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[quote=skinsfan69;277134]I blame all of this on the owner. Spanos is soft. He should have sat both of them down and laid down the guidelines. You do this and you do that. This is your job and you don't interfere here and you don't interfere there. If you get out of line your fired. Simple as that. You just came off a 14-2 record with loads of talent. Can't we all just get along???[/quote]

Spanos has done that with Marty and AJ from day one. They've had disagreements from day one, and Spanos stepped and mediated.

I guess this was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

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Most teams have the coaches and start fresh by bringing in new players. Chargers have the players now they have to start over by bringing in new coaches.

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At least Norv Turner is still available. Shrewd timing.

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[quote=dmek25;277146]im not sure marty is without blame. didnt he and snyder have just about the same tiff, which lead to his firing?[/quote]

no. while here, schott was the GM, and danny fired him because he (LDS) wanted to make personnel moves, and schott could have cared less.

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I bet Norv gets that job. Young QB for him to develop further, we know what he does with RBs, rest of the team in place. Knowing the "I left the Redskins" curse....Norv WINS Superbowl???

Not so unlikely...unless of course they have to beat the Skins to do it.

They need one hell of a defensive coordinator or they'll be playing arena ball.

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norv is a decent OC, but he's lacking in the leadership department, and that's probably why he's had bad experiences as a head coach. If the team is pretty well in place (like say, the pistons), he could do alright.

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Due to the timing, and the.................unexpected Marty departure, Norv's relative worth went through the roof

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[quote=brent;277394]I bet Norv gets that job. Young QB for him to develop further, we know what he does with RBs, rest of the team in place. [B]Knowing the "I left the Redskins" curse....Norv WINS Superbowl???[/B]

Not so unlikely...unless of course they have to beat the Skins to do it.

[B]They need one hell of a defensive coordinator or they'll be playing arena ball[/B].[/quote]


Jesus. The whole Norv thing is plausible but your last statement sums it up.

HTTR!

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I think that if Norv Turner were calling the plays, the Chargers would routinely drop 40 points on people. It would be fun to watch.

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Listen up....If u have ever noticed MArty can never stay ANYWHERE! The only place he really stayed was KC, and he didnt get it done over there. Since then, he has been like the TO of coaches. Everywhere he goes, he can never seem to sustain an equilibrium with his management. With us, one season then he scoffed at Snyder's attempt to be GM by bad mouthing him. That resulted in his release. San Diego, he had good seasons, but could never get in lione with management. This time it was so bad that almost all of his assistants left, because they knew that he would not be there any longer than the followoing season, and they were right.

MArty if u are listening, you and you partner in washed-up-coach crime Wade Phillips, who both suck ass in playoff football, need to stick to assistant coaching or get a Job with the NFL network. They are hiring. Look they even gave Jim Mora's dumb @ss a job.

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[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;277478]Listen up....If u have ever noticed MArty can never stay ANYWHERE! The only place he really stayed was KC, and he didnt get it done over there. Since then, he has been like the TO of coaches. Everywhere he goes, he can never seem to sustain an equilibrium with his management. With us, one season then he scoffed at Snyder's attempt to be GM by bad mouthing him. That resulted in his release. San Diego, he had good seasons, but could never get in lione with management. This time it was so bad that almost all of his assistants left, because they knew that he would not be there any longer than the followoing season, and they were right.

MArty if u are listening, you and you partner in washed-up-coach crime Wade Phillips, who both suck ass in playoff football, need to stick to assistant coaching or get a Job with the NFL network. They are hiring. Look they even gave Jim Mora's dumb @ss a job.[/QUOTE]

Don't hold back man.

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[QUOTE]At least Norv Turner is still available. Shrewd timing.[/QUOTE]

That was a joke, btw. Norv sucks just as bad as firing your coach this late in the offseason.

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ESPN radio is reporting this am that Norv is the front runner for the job. They are saying it is Len Pasquarelli's report. How lucky a coach with a losing record is Norv????

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Not surprised he's a control freak...