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[quote=FRPLG;281504]I think in retrospect Ramsey lacked a lot. Some his fault and some out of his control. What he had in passing skills he lacked in overall athletic ability and certainly never had what anyone could call a good situation. But without that athletic ability I think he never could have maximized his passing skills, in any situation, simply because so much of being a good NFL QB involves mustering your athletic ability to make plays and Ramsey just didn't have that.[/quote]


I am in no means disagreeing with the Ramsey comments. But I dont recall Marino, Bledsoe, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Unitas, Stallback...on and on being great athletes. They could throw the ball. which Ramsey can surely do.

My thoughts are he played well in a year when Spurrier thought blocking was secondary to getting receivers down field. And absolute given no shot when Gibbs took over. 1st year in NY had to deal with Pennington being the man, never really given a shot. I think he can be a good..not great..QB. maybe get your team to the playoffs, not sure about a superbowl. But, Ramsey needs to be in a situation where he is THE MAN, where he doesn't need to look over his shoulder ever quarter.

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Enough excuses... he needs to WIN A JOB OUTRIGHT, PERIOD. And so far in his 5 year NFL career he hasn't been able to do that. Good QBs in this league will play, the so-so ones ride the pine. What is so hard to understand about that?

You have to earn your shots in this league, nobody is given anything.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;281851]But I dont recall Marino, Bledsoe, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Unitas, Stallback...on and on being great athletes. They could throw the ball. which Ramsey can surely do. [/QUOTE]

Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.

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I've thought many times about Ramsey and why I liked him. Courage! The kid would take a hit and keep getting up.

It seems his strength was also his weakness. Not mobile in the pocket; held the ball too long; sometimes a poor decision (like no other QB ever did [I]that[/I]).

I'm of the "Spurrier ruined him" school. Spurrier emphasized long ball. I don't think Ramsey was well schooled on precise, pro-style ball-control passing. Nor could he trust his coach, who was all too ready to pull him for Danny Woeful.

It says something when Joe Gibbs studies the tape and signs a new quarterback as his first personnel move. It says even more when you don't show enough to make #2 on the depth chart for the Jets.

We are better off without him. But the kid has courage and I hope he catches on somewhere.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;281851]1st year in NY had to deal with Pennington being the man, never really given a shot ... But, Ramsey needs to be in a situation where he is THE MAN, where he doesn't need to look over his shoulder ever quarter.[/QUOTE]

Last year in Jetland the QB job was wide open - Ramsey's for the takng. Before the season began, Pennington was not THE MAN. He was the QB trying to make a miraculous recovery from a 2nd rotator cuff injury. Hell, the only reason he was still on the roster was that it would have been prohibitive cap-wise to cut him. Even as the only healthy, experienced QB on the roster, Ramsey was unable to beat out a rookie - Clemons.

At the end of preseason, Ramsey was THIRD ON THE DEPTH CHART behind a recovering, candy-armed QB (even at full strength, Pennington wasn't going to be throwing any lasers) and a rookie.

He has had opportunities to be THE MAN (Gibbs gave him a shot, but he simply did not "seize the day" when the opportunity presented itself. And don't give me the "he had one series" crap - He had two seasons to TAKE the job, he didn't.)

As Matty said, it's time for him to WIN a job.

I like Ramsey, good, tough guy who is smart and personable. As I said earlier, he may be a late bloomer. He certainly has the physical tools to succeed, just a question of whether or not he can ever pick up the pace and shake the deer-in-the-headlights mentality.

For those of you who think it's everybody else's fault but his own that he is not a starting QB - go find a new conspiracy theory to back. This one's so weak that even World Wide Weekly wouldn't back it.

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[QUOTE=Master4Caster;281862]I've thought many times about Ramsey and why I liked him. Courage! The kid would take a hit and keep getting up.

It seems his strength was also his weakness. Not mobile in the pocket; held the ball too long; sometimes a poor decision (like no other QB ever did [I]that[/I]).

...

We are better off without him. But the kid has courage and I hope he catches on somewhere.[/QUOTE]

Yup, that's exactly why I liked him too. I kept hoping he would catch on to the mental aspects of the game so that his courage would let him make some big plays.

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[QUOTE=offiss;281789]I do have to ask what was so great about Campbell last season? Did he do something above average, or was he pretty much below average[.][/QUOTE]

In addition to an arm just as good as Ramsey's, I saw some incredible athleticism and instinct. I don't remember the game but we were on the 5 yard line or so, JC got flat out hit and still makes the throw for a TD. Several times at the home games, I saw him "feel" the open spot where a blitzer had come from and hit the hot read in that area. Again, I don't remember the specific game, but with a blitzer coming, JC lofted a nice 5-yard touch pass to a receiver who then turned it into a solid gain. Nice enough in itself, but, what made it really incredible, was that the play was clearly designed to go to the opposite side of the field - so JC: 1) felt the backside blitz; 2) avoided it long enough to turn and face the opposite direction; 3) tossed a sweet pass over the arms of the blitzer who was a yard or two away and closing fast.

I remember Ramsey making some nice throws and good plays, but they were always the ones accomplished by arm strength or toughness - not instinct.

In one-half of a season, I saw more athleticism and, more importantly, more football instinct from JC than I saw in PR's entire time with the Skins.

Ramsey may very well be much smarter than JC, but I think it is pretty clear that when it comes to having a feel for the game, JC is way beyond PR.

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As somebody said earlier, when do we stop making excuses for PR?
He's a nice kid with great potential. Always showed courage under fire in game situations. Strong arm. These are some of the things that endeared many of us to him initially.
Unfortunately, he rarely looked relaxed in the pocket. Looked and acted nervous in pressure situations and generally did not produce positively in those scenarios. Had tendency to make bad decisions, throw the ball to the wrong color, miss very makeable throws.
Nobody Jinxed him. Nobody killed his career.
HE IS THE MASTER OF HIS OWN DESTINY
In the NFL it is incumbent on the player to impress his coach's, that he has what it takes to be the star. To date in, PR's relatively short career he has failed to do so with at least two head coach's. If PR is so fragile that his confidence can be PERMANENTLY scarred by a..........set back, by GIbbs, maybe he does not have IT.
If he has to have a "specially built" offensive cocoon around him to succeed, maybe he does not have IT.
At his position, the NFL needs unbreakable, tough guy's.
Maybe.........................he does not have........IT

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[quote=FRPLG;281861]Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.[/quote]

are you serious. who out here thinks Marino was more than a statue in the pocket. Williams, Rypien, Unitas, they couldn't move out of there own way. I am sorry, but I dont recall these guys being very "mobile" Ramsey, I agree was very challenged in the mobility department, plus he heald on to the ball WAY TOO long, which accounts for a lot of those sacks. Dude, seriously..Marino avoided a great number of his sacks because he had the ability to get the ball out faster than anyone has ever seen. Rypien, Williams had basically steel walls in front of them. If you recall, the redskins O-Line gave up what 9 sacks that whole year Rypien let us to the bowl, same for Dougy while he was playing. Lets not say they were mobile, I think all of us know they lacked that.

Bledsoe? how many times did he get sacked in his career? All most as much as anyone in history, why? because he doesn't move and holds on to the ball way too long. Unitas, are you kidding? he never moved. You make it sound like we need vick (OVERRATED) or freakin fran tarkenten or something.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;281861]Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.[/QUOTE]


Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.

You can say he held the ball to long but he never had any time to hold it, no different than Brunell, only Brunell would throw the ball away the instant it was hiked, Ramsey had the guts to try and hang in the pocket and make a play with absolutly no protection, thats on the coaches. Of coarse all anyone would say about Brunell since he's been here is that he's afraid to hang in the pocket and make a play. Guys around here make it sound as if Ramsey had all day to throw, let alone just adequet protection, THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE!

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

I am curious, who on our roster was going to play ahead of Pennington? The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's, it's nice to see a team doing what they are supposed to be doing grooming a young guy for the backup position and as a future starter, who also could bring back a lot of value in a trade once he developes, lucky us we have no one who can step in and lead this team if Campbell goes down, and we really don't know if Campbell can lead?

I think it's an absolute joke that Brunell is being considered for the primary backup, A JOKE! Of coarse why stop now it was the biggest joke around the league when we traded for him.

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You can't compare Ramsey's career to Brunell's in any category.

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[QUOTE=offiss;281998]Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.[/QUOTE]

To nitpick, I think he dodged LB Sam Cowart.

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To nitpick even more, it was a Thursday night.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;282017]To nitpick even more, it was a Thursday night.[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected. lol

I know he actually out ran Sam Cowart for a big firstdown in that game, I don't remember who the player was that over shot him on the blitz.

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[QUOTE=offiss;281998]As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

... The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's[.][/QUOTE]


All I know is that Portis said that with Campbell's arm strength they should be having someone running the deep post every play. Sounds like he's got more than enough arm for the job. Plus, I saw more than a little sizzle on several throws. Strong as Ramsey's? Maybe, Maybe not. If you've got something definitive, I'll be glad to look at it.

As for the Jets not wasting their time on "never been's", they did, in fact, trade a sixth round choice to us for a "never been".

As for "better than Pennington" - TAKE THE DAMN JOB! THAT'S WHAT PENNINGTON DID! Right out of Ramsey's great arm and tough as nails attitude.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;281572]I agree SC... I think the most promising part of what little we've seen of Campbell so far is the way he handles adversity. He just doesn't get rattled.

I never saw that from Ramsey, he definitely looked rattled when things were going bad. With Campbell you can't tell if he just threw a pick or a 60 yard TD.[/QUOTE]

I gotta disagree. I remember when he was in his rookie season and Spurrier pulled Mathews to throw Ramsey in down 13 or 19 to the Giants, he leads a TD drive, the D gives one up, he leads another, and the D gets him the ball back. McCants fumbles the game away. I think he could have been a great leader. I don't think him getting the shit kicked out of him for the first few years of his career helped and then his confidence was destroyed when they brought in Brunell. I think he should have been able to overcome that, but he couldn't, that's his problem, IMO. I think he had everything I would look for in an NFL QB, (Mort agreed. He said he has 4 out of the 5 tools you need and he only lacked wheels) however, I think he needed to be the man and learn. He didn't really get that opportunity.

I know, we've all heard, "he never got a fair shake." I'm not saying it wasn't necessarily fair, but young QB's need to be able to trot out there and learn how to play without the fear of getting pulled. Kinda like the way Campbell did at the end of last season, now he's the unquestioned starter. Ramsey never got that chance. Regardless of the circumstances, if he were playing better it wouldn't have been an issue, but I just don't think he was ever allowed to become confident in the NFL.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;282002]You can't compare Ramsey's career to Brunell's in any category.[/QUOTE]

As a far as thier Redskin career goes thats an easy comparison. Infact I can make a better case for Ramsey a young inexperienced player out performing seasoned vet.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;282036]I gotta disagree. I remember when he was in his rookie season and Spurrier pulled Mathews to throw Ramsey in down 13 or 19 to the Giants, he leads a TD drive, the D gives one up, he leads another, and the D gets him the ball back. McCants fumbles the game away. I think he could have been a great leader. I don't think him getting the shit kicked out of him for the first few years of his career helped and then his confidence was destroyed when they brought in Brunell. I think he should have been able to overcome that, but he couldn't, that's his problem, IMO. I think he had everything I would look for in an NFL QB, (Mort agreed. He said he has 4 out of the 5 tools you need and he only lacked wheels) however, I think he needed to be the man and learn. He didn't really get that opportunity.

I know, we've all heard, "he never got a fair shake." I'm not saying it wasn't necessarily fair, but young QB's need to be able to trot out there and learn how to play without the fear of getting pulled. Kinda like the way Campbell did at the end of last season, now he's the unquestioned starter. Ramsey never got that chance. Regardless of the circumstances, if he were playing better it wouldn't have been an issue, but I just don't think he was ever allowed to become confident in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

Well said!

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[QUOTE=offiss;281998]As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.
[/QUOTE]

This statement here, in a microcosm, shows why it is dumb to even discuss this stuff with you. You don't know what you are talking about. To say "no where's near" is a gross overstatement and to say "slightly" is to show how misguided you are. I'm done.

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To nitpick even more than AMD, it's "of course" not "of coarse"

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[quote=offiss;281998]Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.

You can say he held the ball to long but he never had any time to hold it, no different than Brunell, only Brunell would throw the ball away the instant it was hiked, Ramsey had the guts to try and hang in the pocket and make a play with absolutly no protection, thats on the coaches. Of coarse all anyone would say about Brunell since he's been here is that he's afraid to hang in the pocket and make a play. Guys around here make it sound as if Ramsey had all day to throw, let alone just adequet protection, THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE!

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

I am curious, who on our roster was going to play ahead of Pennington? The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's, it's nice to see a team doing what they are supposed to be doing grooming a young guy for the backup position and as a future starter, who also could bring back a lot of value in a trade once he developes, lucky us we have no one who can step in and lead this team if Campbell goes down, and we really don't know if Campbell can lead?

I think it's an absolute joke that Brunell is being considered for the primary backup, A JOKE! Of coarse why stop now it was the biggest joke around the league when we traded for him.[/quote]

Help me out O, what is it you.........like about the Skins? By appearances, the only player you have any regard for is gettin' his ass kicked off his second team.
Let's see, Coach sucks, players suck, etc sucks, except PR. Let's take the short list. What Do you LIKE about the Redskins?
Are you like the Anti-fan in disguise?

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;282034]All I know is that Portis said that with Campbell's arm strength they should be having someone running the deep post every play. Sounds like he's got more than enough arm for the job. Plus, I saw more than a little sizzle on several throws. Strong as Ramsey's? Maybe, Maybe not. If you've got something definitive, I'll be glad to look at it.

As for the Jets not wasting their time on "never been's", they did, in fact, trade a sixth round choice to us for a "never been".

As for "better than Pennington" - TAKE THE DAMN JOB! THAT'S WHAT PENNINGTON DID! Right out of Ramsey's great arm and tough as nails attitude.[/QUOTE]

I do believe he has plenty of arm to make all the throws, at least I hope he does, but Ramsey's arm strength is exceptional I just pointed that out thats all.

Most young QB's are never been's, the Jets maybe high on this kid casey but I saw him in pre-season and I didn't see anything that made me think this kid is much of a QB, perhaps he developes? But I was unimpressed when I saw him play late in the pre-season, but that's thier problem, funny the Jets did give Ramsey a contract extension last year didn't they?

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[QUOTE=offiss;281998]Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.

You can say he held the ball to long but he never had any time to hold it, no different than Brunell, only Brunell would throw the ball away the instant it was hiked, Ramsey had the guts to try and hang in the pocket and make a play with absolutly no protection, thats on the coaches. Of coarse all anyone would say about Brunell since he's been here is that he's afraid to hang in the pocket and make a play. Guys around here make it sound as if Ramsey had all day to throw, let alone just adequet protection, THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE!

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

I am curious, who on our roster was going to play ahead of Pennington? The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's, it's nice to see a team doing what they are supposed to be doing grooming a young guy for the backup position and as a future starter, who also could bring back a lot of value in a trade once he developes, lucky us we have no one who can step in and lead this team if Campbell goes down, and we really don't know if Campbell can lead?

I think it's an absolute joke that Brunell is being considered for the primary backup, A JOKE! Of coarse why stop now it was the biggest joke around the league when we traded for him.[/QUOTE]

So Campbell doesn't have, according to Offiss Hawkings, the arm strength that Ramsey does. And I'm assuming you're also saying that overall Ramsey is better than Campbell. Yet then you say Campbell could make the Jets team...the same Jets team that's eager to unload Ramsey.

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[QUOTE=offiss;282048]I do believe he has plenty of arm to make all the throws, at least I hope he does, but Ramsey's arm strength is exceptional I just pointed that out thats all. ... [F]unny the Jets did give Ramsey a contract extension last year didn't they?[/QUOTE]

And now they are looking to recoup the draft pick they wasted on him. The extension was actually a slap in that it was meant as a one-year insurance policy and Ramsey was looking for a longer deal that would be crafted in a manner that would insure his stay in New York.

As for "exceptional arm strength", the same could be said for Kyle Boller but so f'*** what? Truthfully, that's all Ramsey had - a big arm and the guts to get pounded and keep getting up.

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[quote=offiss;281998]As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.[/quote]

Wrong, wrong wrong. Campbell's arm strength is often hidden by the fact that he has something called touch and he will actually put some air under the ball. Ramsey throws a screen just like he does a 65 yard pass. Like a dart or a javeline. No room for error from the QB and or the receiver. That is a terrible way to play quarterback. Just ask Jeff George.

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I forgot just what a man-crush offiss had for Ramsey. It's good to be reminded of these thing every once in a while.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;282047]Help me out O, what is it you.........like about the Skins? By appearances, the only player you have any regard for is gettin' his ass kicked off his second team.
Let's see, Coach sucks, players suck, etc sucks, except PR. Let's take the short list. What Do you LIKE about the Redskins?
Are you like the Anti-fan in disguise?[/QUOTE]

Tell me what you actually like about this team?

I guess I should say everything is golden when we are supposed to be a SB contender and winde up 5-11, I guess everything is fine when with that record we find ourselves with 1 significant draft pick, maybe thats the problem with the Skins, they can't admit they don't know what they are doing, so they continue to screw up over and over. Right now we are a 5-11 team with 1 pick, we might as well give away our late round picks the way we evaluate talent.

Unfortuantly you don't pay attention, I always said Moss was a great trade from the day it happened, I have alway's said Betts is a big time back if he recieved an opportunity and in fairness could stay healthy. I love Taylor and still feel he can be an all time great, I loved the Cooley pick at the time it happened, but I hate the fact that we don't utilize the draft, I don't want other teams castoffs.

How would you feel if we had drafted Stephen Jackson instead of trading for Portis? Or we had all our picks this year, would you rather swing a deal for Calvin Johnson, or would you rather have Lloyd and El? we have passed up so much talent, and in some cases better talent for a lot less money and this trend doesn't seem to have an end. Thats what ticks me off.

I would rather be signing the praises of the Skins but I don't sugar coat problems because of personel bias!

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[quote=offiss;282030]I stand corrected. lol

I know he actually out ran Sam Cowart for a big firstdown in that game, I don't remember who the player was that over shot him on the blitz.[/quote]
I was at that game and the funny thing was Ramsey rolled left and there was no one in front of him but he still hesitated looking down field. Then it seem as the whole stadium yelled all at once Run Ramsay Run. He pulled down the ball as the cheers rang out strutted down field for what seem like a minute before reaching the 1st down marker. I don't remember him Sam chasing him because he had a wide open field and it was right in fron of us. All I can say is when Ramsey came to us I thought he was our QB for the future which did not work out. I would not write him off as a many of players have found their stride late in their career and I hope a team gives him a chance.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;282051]Wrong, wrong wrong. Campbell's arm strength is often hidden by the fact that he has something called touch and he will actually put some air under the ball. Ramsey throws a screen just like he does a 65 yard pass. Like a dart or a javeline. No room for error from the QB and or the receiver. That is a terrible way to play quarterback. Just ask Jeff George.[/QUOTE]

Really, really, really, How many passes did Campbell under throw last season? I saw probably 2 a game, I am not saying he doesn't have touch or a strong arm, all I am saying is he's not is Ramsey's league when it comes to arm STRENGTH, that is all. Ramsey has elite arm strength nothing for Campbell to ashamed of here.

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[quote=#56fanatic;281851]I am in no means disagreeing with the Ramsey comments. But I dont recall Marino, Bledsoe, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Unitas, Stallback...on and on being great athletes. They could throw the ball. which Ramsey can surely do.

My thoughts are he played well in a year when Spurrier thought blocking was secondary to getting receivers down field. And absolute given no shot when Gibbs took over. 1st year in NY had to deal with Pennington being the man, never really given a shot. I think he can be a good..not great..QB. maybe get your team to the playoffs, not sure about a superbowl. But, Ramsey needs to be in a situation where he is THE MAN, where he doesn't need to look over his shoulder ever quarter.[/quote]
From what your saying Ramsey needs to find without any competition for the QB spot and then he may gets his shot that he has earned. If I'm correct wasn't the Jets the only team that even showed an interest in Ramsey and their QB was injury proon and had a few week years.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;282060]I was at that game and the funny thing was Ramsey rolled left and there was no one in front of him but he still hesitated looking down field. Then it seem as the whole stadium yelled all at once Run Ramsay Run. He pulled down the ball as the cheers rang out strutted down field for what seem like a minute before reaching the 1st down marker. I don't remember him Sam chasing him because he had a wide open field and it was right in fron of us. All I can say is when Ramsey came to us I thought he was our QB for the future which did not work out. I would not write him off as a many of players have found their stride late in their career and I hope a team gives him a chance.[/QUOTE]


Yea that was a fun play, he was actually running and seperating from Cowart on that play, I remembered thinking he's not as slow as some might have thought, I actually think Ramsey had some straight ahead speed but he really didn't have any quickness which is more important at the QB position.

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are we going to do this every offseason? ramsey is gone, get over it. lets lock any more threads that even sniff of anything to do with patrick ramsey. and lavar too, for that matter

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[QUOTE=dmek25;282065]are we going to do this every offseason? ramsey is gone, get over it. lets lock any more threads that even sniff of anything to do with patrick ramsey. and lavar too, for that matter[/QUOTE]

And Brunell...I'm all for it Dmek

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[quote=offiss;282061]Really, really, really, How many passes did Campbell under throw last season? I saw probably 2 a game, I am not saying he doesn't have touch or a strong arm, all I am saying is he's not is Ramsey's league when it comes to arm STRENGTH, that is all. Ramsey has elite arm strength nothing for Campbell to ashamed of here.[/quote]

Well what's average arm strength for the NFL? You say Campbell is slightly above average and I figure that he is well above average. Not top end, but I bet Campbell could throw it in the high sixty yard range. From 65 to not quite 70 yards.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;282065]are we going to do this every offseason? ramsey is gone, get over it. lets lock any more threads that even sniff of anything to do with patrick ramsey. and lavar too, for that matter[/QUOTE]

Great lets move this to Lavar, as I said all along he was highly overated by the NFL hype machine and we fell for it. Ok lets run with this!:)

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Lavar always talked too much, but now he has no choice but to shut up.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;282070]Well what's average arm strength for the NFL? You say Campbell is slightly above average and I figure that he is well above average. Not top end, but I bet Campbell could throw it in the high sixty yard range. From 65 to not quite 70 yards.[/QUOTE]

Who really knows, just an observation from seeing both throw the ball, and the fact that Ramsey was a world class javelin thrower, I really don't even care, I have always felt arm strength is overated, I believe brains is what gets the job done, we will see about Campbell.

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[quote=TAFKAS;282069]And Brunell...I'm all for it Dmek[/quote]
So can we do Lavar threads? Man give a guy a little power.

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Ramsey couldn't beat out two limp-armed QBs in Brunell and now Pennington. Just goes to show how far a strong arm gets you in this league. Maybe by his 10th year or so someone will finally be smart enough to give him a "fair shot". After all, he did have a few nice plays 3 years ago. :doh:

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;282114]Ramsey couldn't beat out two limp-armed QBs in Brunell and now Pennington. Just goes to show how far a strong arm gets you in this league. Maybe by his 10th year or so someone will finally be smart enough to give him a "fair shot". After all, he did have a few nice plays 3 years ago. :doh:[/QUOTE]

Really, like you weren't on the Ramsey bandwagon after his first 2 years, the only thing Ramsey did once Gibbs arrived was sit the bench in favor of the teachers pet.

Gibbs has been wrong constantly about personel since he's come back, you don't think Ramsey could be just another Gibbs mistake? You know like the one he made in Brunell!

The fact is we didn't have a QB on our roster last year who could outplay Pennington so because Ramsey couldn't dethrown a very good incumbant QB he's finished? If you say so, I say he will succeed, how about we let this play out and then evaluate.