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[quote=diehardskin2982;285269]why not keep springs and move him to safety[/quote]


That or trade him for even more picks.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;285269]why not keep springs and move him to safety[/QUOTE]

I have a problem with moving Shawn Taylor to strong safety. He can play free safety. He plays a mean free safety. I would want him downfield instead of the guy in the box. He's always played free and he's been a monster. He had a down year last year (just like everyone else). I think moving him would be a mistake. Also, what makes everyone so sure Shawn Springs can play safety or stay healthy at free safety for that matter?

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Look what i just found i don't know what going on.

[QUOTE]DENVER -- The Broncos have heard cornerback Dre' Bly is bitter about being traded to Denver, and that he'd prefer to play for Washington.

The team, though, wants to give him some time to warm up to the deal. It's only been a few days since the 29-year-old Bly was acquired from Detroit -- along with a sixth-round pick -- for running back Tatum Bell, offensive lineman George Foster and a fifth-round pick.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2789996]ESPN.com - NFL - Broncos hope Bly warms up to playing in Denver[/url]

Re: 3/6/07 WP's JLC Rumors: Denver-Washington Trade, Bly, Okoye
 

There's talk the Saints are making a play for Bly as well

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i agree that jlc is a donkey, his articles are brutal and do nothing for me...on another note, we should keep springs unless denver really is going to give us a first, second, and third on top of bly....that would equal a no brainer in my mind, i dont know a front office that wouldnt do that...haha except maybe ours.

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[quote=jdlea;285298]I have a problem with moving Shawn Taylor to strong safety. He can play free safety. He plays a mean free safety. I would want him downfield instead of the guy in the box. He's always played free and he's been a monster. He had a down year last year (just like everyone else). I think moving him would be a mistake. Also, what makes everyone so sure Shawn Springs can play safety or stay healthy at free safety for that matter?[/quote]
Springs can play strong safety way better than AA and if he gets hurt we still have VFox and Prioleau and Last and least AA

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[quote=holcknowsbest;285306]i agree that jlc is a donkey, his articles are brutal and do nothing for me...on another note, we should keep springs unless denver really is going to give us a first, second, and third on top of bly....that would equal a no brainer in my mind, i dont know a front office that wouldnt do that...haha except maybe ours.[/quote] its a all redskins win scenerio i say do it we weill be better 4 it come on ya'll look at it we cannot lose

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[QUOTE=bigSkinsfan61;285314]its a all redskins win scenerio i say do it we weill be better 4 it come on ya'll look at it we cannot lose[/QUOTE]

what!?!?

Re: 3/6/07 WP's JLC Rumors: Denver-Washington Trade, Bly, Okoye
 

[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;285306]i agree that jlc is a donkey, his articles are brutal and do nothing for me...on another note, we should keep springs unless denver really is going to give us a first, second, and third on top of bly....that would equal a no brainer in my mind, i dont know a front office that wouldnt do that...haha except maybe ours.[/QUOTE]

I actually think he is one of the Post's better writers. I've been conversing with the guy for several months now via emaiil and he's a decent guy, with a LOT of connections, and is pretty damn smart. His blog was a great idea - he gets to print rumors (with some foundation) and actually breaks news on that site long before other news outlets do. For me, the blog is an offseason Godsend.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285346]I actually think he is one of the Post's better writers. I've been conversing with the guy for several months now via emaiil and he's a decent guy, with a LOT of connections, and is pretty damn smart. His blog was a great idea - he gets to print rumors (with some foundation) and actually breaks news on that site long before other news outlets do. For me, the blog is an offseason Godsend.[/quote]


I second that.

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[quote=bigSkinsfan61;285314]its a all redskins win scenerio i say do it we weill be better 4 it come on ya'll look at it we cannot lose[/quote]

Coherence, please.

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All I say is that if this trade goes through, I have chub.

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[quote=wilsowilso;285237]No I don't Tafkas do you get all your inside info from the ESPN mothership?[/quote]

Who is TAFKAS??

Re: 3/6/07 WP's JLC Rumors: Denver-Washington Trade, Bly, Okoye
 

JLC is a good guy and a very knowledgeable source.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;285354]Who is TAFKAS??[/QUOTE]

TAFKAS is an unperson.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;285348]I second that.[/quote]


and i third it i love his articles

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[QUOTE=DGreen28;285312]Springs can play strong safety way better than AA and if he gets hurt we still have VFox and Prioleau and Last and least AA[/QUOTE]

How does anybody know? He's NEVER done it. And, he can't stay healthy at corner, why would safety be any different?

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JLC has great insight and I appreciate him being on here. I like the deal but I am a little confused. Are we trading Denver Shawn and our 1st for bly, their
1st, 2nd, and our 3rd back. Sounds great to me.

Or is more like our 1st for bly, 1st, and our 3rd.

And then send springs to another team for like a 3rd.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285182]Below are some interesting tidbits about a possible trade between Denver and Washington.

[B]More Dre Bly[/B]
As I've been writing since Sunday, don't rule out a Dre Bly trade...
Denver does not want to give Bly an extension, but the Redskins will....[/quote]Why did DEN trade for Bly if they didn't want to give him an extension?

Re: 3/6/07 WP's JLC Rumors: Denver-Washington Trade, Bly, Okoye
 

This is so exciting,,,

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[quote=EXoffender;285412]Why did DEN trade for Bly if they didn't want to give him an extension?[/quote]

Trade bait for the Skins probably

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;285412]Why did DEN trade for Bly if they didn't want to give him an extension?[/QUOTE]

They didn't give much in return, as both Foster and Bell were big disappointments in Denver and there was talk of them getting cut. I think they figured that trading such disappointments would be worth nabbing a starting corner who could play very well opposite Champ Bailey. Bly would have been a great corner for Denver as teams couldn't attack either corner without risking turnovers (as both are not only great CBs, but also ballhawking CBs).

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;285398]JLC has great insight and I appreciate him being on here. I like the deal but I am a little confused. Are we trading Denver Shawn and our 1st for bly, their
1st, 2nd, and our 3rd back. Sounds great to me.

Or is more like our 1st for bly, 1st, and our 3rd.

And then send springs to another team for like a 3rd.[/quote]

I'm telling you, as far as value is concerned, the Redskins should get Bly and a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for the 6th overall pick without giving up anything else. The Redskins tend to undervalue their draft picks and give them up without receiving proper compensation, but check this out:

Here are some numbers from the Draft Value Chart that every NFL team uses.

- The Redskins 1st Rd pick (#6 overall) is worth 1600 pts

- The Broncos 1st Rd Pick (#21 overall) is worth 800 pts
- The Broncos 2nd Rd Pick (#56 overall) is worth 340 pts
- The Broncos 3rd Rd Pick (Traded from Washington) (#70 overall) is worth 240 pts

The total of the first three Bronco picks is 1380, which leaves 220 points (the value of the 74th - i.e. high 3rd round pick) left to make up. I think you could definitely say Dre Bly is worth a third round pick (but no more than a third round pick) so that would be a very fair trade to all parties involved. If the Broncos covet the 6th overall pick than I think the Skins should make the deal, but the should take NO LESS than the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Bly in the deal.

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no way springs for a third, get bly and run with bly and springs then trade rodgers for a 4th or 5th. why get rid of spings???? rodgers stinks!

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;285192]You think Okoye will still be there at 21?[/QUOTE]

No way he'll still be there at 21.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;285460]no way springs for a third, get bly and run with bly and springs then trade rodgers for a 4th or 5th. why get rid of spings???? rodgers stinks![/QUOTE]

Trading Carlos Rogers after two years, neither of which were really that bad ( I mean he didnt play great, but I think ppl just wanna use him as a scapegoat this year) would be really stupid, especially when Springs will probaboly only play one more season with the Skins max anyways....

I'm super, super cerial.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;285460]no way springs for a third, get bly and run with bly and springs then trade rodgers for a 4th or 5th. why get rid of spings???? rodgers stinks![/quote]

rodgers has little exp. last year was his 2nd year not his 7th. he has the advantage of being young. he has upside. lets not trade him just yet.

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[quote=Gmanc711;285463]

I'm super, super cerial.[/quote]

man-bear-pig is around here somewhere......

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Raise your hand if you know how to spell Carlos Rogers. Rogers has no "d" (insert lame joke here)

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;285476]rodgers has little exp. last year was his 2nd year not his 7th. he has the advantage of being young. he has upside. lets not trade him just yet.[/QUOTE] You are right. Dockery tock four season to have the year he had last season. Sometime it takes a little more time!

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[quote=SmootSmack;285481]Raise your hand if you know how to spell Carlos Rogers. Rogers has no "d" (insert lame joke here)[/quote]
but you still know who we are talkg about right?

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I agree that Rogers is young and will continue to develop. Bly could be a good mentor for the kid.

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[QUOTE=CancunCantinaBartender;285498]I agree that Rogers is young and will continue to develop. Bly could be a good mentor for the kid.[/QUOTE]

Are you a bartender at the Cancun Cantina on Wisconsin Ave?

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welcome, i'll have a bud light

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;285500]Are you a bartender at the Cancun Cantina on Wisconsin Ave?[/QUOTE]

Isn't it Cactus Cantina (or maybe we're talking about different places)? I love Cactus and Loreal Plaza (sp?).

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;285481]Raise your hand if you know how to spell Carlos Rogers. Rogers has no "d" (insert lame joke here)[/QUOTE]

Speaking of lame jokes....a heckler once told Jason Kidd his "name should be Ason cause you got no J."

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285516]Isn't it Cactus Cantina (or maybe we're talking about different places)? I love Cactus and Loreal Plaza (sp?).[/QUOTE]

You're right I meant Cactus

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Cancun Cantina is near BWI Airport

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[QUOTE=CancunCantinaBartender;285525]Cancun Cantina is near BWI Airport[/QUOTE]

Wait. I know that place. Radio station I used to work at did events there, or was negotiating to last I recall

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OK, here's what I'm unclear on: How good is Dre Bly? Being with the Lions doesn't give him many highlight reels.

If Champ, Chris McAllister, and Nate Clements are all top-tier corners, where does Bly fit in? Can he be included in the top? Or is he like second or third?