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[quote=Beemnseven;287846]Ever notice how the Franchise Tag is always "slapped" on a player? It's never placed, tapped, set, or designated.

Always [B]slapped[/B].

Interesting.[/quote]I think most people who say it's "slapped" are generally against it where as people who say it's "given" or "placed on" aren't as opinonated with it.

I just say slapped because it roles off the tounge better.

Good point though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;287839]Briggs doesn't owe the McCaskey's (owners of the Bears) anything. He certainly does owe Lovie Smith and 52 other guys in that locker room his football ability as they try to defend their NFC title.

Briggs is trying to claim theres a seperation between the two. There isn't. He's been offered numerous long term extentions and has declined. There's a difference between future financial security, which the Bears have offered him, and greed which is what is causing him to turn down their offers. Sure, players inferrior to him are getting the big bucks. But because the Bears slapped the tag on him, he is responsible to play his next season in Chicago. He has a right to not play anywhere, but he's letting his team down if he does so.

Bottom line is that if another team had chosen him, he might have ended up buried somewhere on a depth chart. So I would expect him to play for my team if I'm Lovie Smith.[/quote]

Well, actually Briggs has stated in no uncertain terms that he has a strong affinity for the team, the locker room and coach Lovie Smith himself. His divide starts and ends with the front office. So in the world of the National Football League there is absolutely a seperation of the two.

We as fans and consumers would love to think and believe otherwise, but that's not the case.

As far as Briggs being responsible to play because of the franchise tag, well again, if Briggs blows out his knee all in the name of loyalty and team spirit, he's left holding the bag. Ask Javon Walker.

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[quote=12thMan;287837]True, true. I don't know, GT. Briggs' ego aside, my thing is the owners have essentially created this market and the cut-throat culture that exists. Owners and GMs hack players left and right like it's [I]nobody's [/I]business. In ten years no one will hardly remember who Lance Briggs was, but that same owner will still be raking in even more in the millions.

The whole honor your word and be a man thing is a two way street as far as I'm concerned.

If you want me to honor my word when it's convenient for your business, then honor yours when I blow out my ACL.[/quote]

The owners will always have the upper hand becasue they own the team. I would like to see if briggs sits out and turns down 7 mill.

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[quote=12thMan;287849]Well, actually Briggs has stated in no uncertain terms that he has a strong affinity for the team, the locker room and coach Lovie Smith himself. His divide starts and ends with the front office. So in the world of the National Football League there is absolutely a seperation of the two.

We as fans and consumers would love to think and believe otherwise, but that's not the case.

As far as Briggs being responsible to play because of the franchise tag, well again, if Briggs blows out his knee all in the name of loyalty and team spirit, he's left holding the bag. Ask Javon Walker.[/quote]

Javon Walker had one good year and then wanted a new deal. BIG DIFFERENCE. I wouldn't have paid Javon Walker either.

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[quote=Beemnseven;287846]Ever notice how the Franchise Tag is always "slapped" on a player? It's never placed, tapped, set, or designated.

Always [B]slapped[/B].

Interesting.[/quote]

I wish someone would slap me with 7 mill. I'll take all the slaps I can get.

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To there is just no question it's about greed with this guy. I don't think it has anything to do with the whole "what if I take a 1 year, $7+M deal and suffer a horrible injury?" He turned down a $33M deal last year and came back and played for small potatoes this season. What if he suffered a career ending injury this season?? Even if he plays this year for the $7M and loses a leg, he still has [B]SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS[/B] to fall back on for the rest of his life!!! In my opinion he is what's wrong with professional sports today. He's f-ing pathetic and the more I think about it the angrier it makes me. Ohhhh, poor Briggs. The team is SOOOO disrespectful to me that they name me their franchise player and offer me over $7M to play 16 football games. Cry me a river you dick.

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[quote=GMScud;287879]To there is just no question it's about greed with this guy. I don't think it has anything to do with the whole "what if I take a 1 year, $7+M deal and suffer a horrible injury?" He turned down a $33M deal last year and came back and played for small potatoes this season. What if he suffered a career ending injury this season?? Even if he plays this year for the $7M and loses a leg, he still has [B]SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS[/B] to fall back on for the rest of his life!!! In my opinion he is what's wrong with professional sports today. He's f-ing pathetic and the more I think about it the angrier it makes me. Ohhhh, poor Briggs. The team is SOOOO disrespectful to me that they name me their franchise player and offer me over $7M to play 16 football games. Cry me a river you dick.[/quote]

That is $437,500 per week gross for 16 weeks. Assuming taxes and other union fees and dues at 40% (high side) that would be $262,500 per week take home pay. That is just insane. It takes the average american almost 5 years to make that kind of money this asshole makes in a WEEK!

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I really think if people ignored the amount of money involved here more would understand Briggs' side of this. To me ignoring the amount of money helps boil it down to the fundamental issue. Including the money muddles the discussion.

How many of you would want to stay at a job where they could give you a one year contract for a good amount of money but by doing that you have no opportunity to explore a market where peers of equal or lesser perceived ability are getting similar amounts of money or greater over a longer period of time?

None of you I would imagine. To me the amount is pointless. If you wouldn't want to be tied into one year contracts and limiting your overall gain over a period time then you can understand why Briggs is upset and why so many others who get tagged are upset.

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[quote=jbcjr14;287881]That is $437,500 per week gross for 16 weeks. Assuming taxes and other union fees and dues at 40% (high side) that would be $262,500 per week take home pay. That is just insane. It takes the average american almost 5 years to make that kind of money this asshole makes in a WEEK![/quote]

of course, he's much more likey to drop dead at 58.

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[quote=jbcjr14;287881]That is $437,500 per week gross for 16 weeks. Assuming taxes and other union fees and dues at 40% (high side) that would be $262,500 per week take home pay. That is just insane. It takes the average american almost 5 years to make that kind of money this asshole makes in a WEEK![/quote]

Thank you for the reinforcement jbcjr. I'd like to smack Briggs in that greedy mouth of his (then I'd turn around and run away REALLY FAST!!)

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;287780]Ya know, I'm wondering who his agent is. I would think that he would want to screen his client's comments/thoughts before he makes them public.[/quote]

His agent is Drew Rosenhaus. On S/center yesterday, Briggs did say Drew told him not to go public and to play out the year. He said he went public on his own.

I do understand a little of what he is saying. Our first thought is, wow 7 million for one year, he can set himself up for life. Yea, but what would a 15 million signing bonus and a long term deal do? It would set his grandkids up for life. Let's do a little math... less taxes 30%, less agent fees..um...10%? That nets 4 million. Buy a house most likely for 1-3 million. What's left over ???

Listen, I don't feel sorry for someone who makes 7million. That should be enough to live a pretty awesome life for the average guy. But NFL players aren't average guys. I could live well off of 1million. But Briggs has an opportunity to get paid for what he feels he's worth, whatever that # may be. He could suffer a career ending injury playing out his one year contract. Just some thoughts....

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[quote=FRPLG;287890]I really think if people ignored the amount of money involved here more would understand Briggs' side of this. To me ignoring the amount of money helps boil it down to the fundamental issue. Including the money muddles the discussion.

How many of you would want to stay at a job where they could give you a one year contract for a good amount of money but by doing that you have no opportunity to explore a market where peers of equal or lesser perceived ability are getting similar amounts of money or greater over a longer period of time?

None of you I would imagine. To me the amount is pointless. If you wouldn't want to be tied into one year contracts and limiting your overall gain over a period time then you can understand why Briggs is upset and why so many others who get tagged are upset.[/quote]

nuff said.

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[quote=12thMan;287896]nuff said.[/quote]

While FRGLP may be correct, and as much sense as that makes on paper, it's just tough for average joes like us to sympathize or understand when your talking about that much money. Any way you slice it, this guy is gonna end up richer than 99.99% percent of the world. While your argument is sound, I just don't care. Briggs should make his $7M and then go get his multi-year contract. It's not like this guy is on the raiders or lions for god's sake! He's got a great head coach, a great defense, and his team is the defending NFC Champs!!!

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player's never win in the court of public opinion on these things. they'll always be labeled as greedy (and they're hurting the local fans' chances of a super bowl, which is part of the issue... yeah the team may be being cheap, but the fans love the team, not the players). DR was right to tell him to shut up and keep low.

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[quote=GMScud;287902]While FRGLP may be correct, and as much sense as that makes on paper, it's just tough for average joes like us to sympathize or understand when your talking about that much money. Any way you slice it, this guy is gonna end up richer than 99.99% percent of the world. While your argument is sound, I just don't care. Briggs should make his $7M and then go get his multi-year contract. It's not like this guy is on the raiders or lions for god's sake! He's got a great head coach, a great defense, and his team is the defending NFC Champs!!![/quote]

You're right. But this aint about his coach and team. It's about Lance Briggs and what's best for him in the end.

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[quote=12thMan;287905]You're right. But this aint about his coach and team. It's about Lance Briggs and what's best for him in the end.[/quote]

I guess all I'm trying to say is the public greed and selfishness is sad and unfortunate.

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I agree with the idea that owners are full of shit. I'm so sick of athletes getting lambasted because they make huge amounts of money. SO WHAT?! If at any point I'm working a job for 40k a year, it's time for me to make mroe money and the people I work for don't offer it, if I can afford it, I'm not gonna work for them. Lance Briggs can afford to not play, good for him. **** owners! This is crap, they make hundreds of millions of dollars! Hundreds! A player wants more money? Good for them. I hope he goes somewhere and gets huge money. The Bears are a garbage organization, Lovie should have been extended before getting to the Super Bowl, he was the lowest paid coach in the league and he finally got extended just before this season. I hate this crap where the players are villified because they want a bigger chunk of what they are making for the greedy ass owners. It's greedier for an owner to not pay it than it is for a player to want more. I hate the state of pro sports where athletes are villified and greedy ass old guys who sit in the booth and never show any player any loyalty are totally absolved! It's crap!

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;287890]How many of you would want to stay at a job where they could give you a one year contract for a good amount of money but by doing that you have no opportunity to explore a market where peers of equal or lesser perceived ability are getting similar amounts of money or greater over a longer period of time?

None of you I would imagine. To me the amount is pointless. If you wouldn't want to be tied into one year contracts and limiting your overall gain over a period time then you can understand why Briggs is upset and why so many others who get tagged are upset.[/QUOTE]

Now why did you have to base your opinion on logic? I like it so much more when an argument is about pure emotion and irrational ramblings. ;)

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As for everyone who doesn't like the amount of money athletes make, if no one went, watched or bought merchandise then they wouldn't be able to make enough money to pay these guys. It's our fault they make the money they do.

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[quote=jdlea;287927]As for everyone who doesn't like the amount of money athletes make, if no one went, watched or bought merchandise then they wouldn't be able to make enough money to pay these guys. It's our fault they make the money they do.[/quote]

Exactly!! We're all paying, even when we watch tv.

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This thread was intended to be about Briggs potentially being traded & who would go after him & how it might impact our trade possibilities w/the draft.

Instead, it got a little serious. That's alright, but I can't believe no one's suggested we trade ARch to the Bears for him!!

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[quote=freddyg12;287957]This thread was intended to be about Briggs potentially being traded & who would go after him & how it might impact our trade possibilities w/the draft.

Instead, it got a little serious. That's alright, but I can't believe no one's suggested we trade ARch to the Bears for him!![/quote]
Exactly! Why the hell not?!

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we are not getting briggs.i dont want some greedy bastard like him on our team any way!if we get him it just shows the we havent learned our lesson yet.you cant by a championship.HAIL SKINS!!!

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wats up hogs im new here but i bleed burgundy and gold.4 LIFE!!

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anybody who thinks well get briggs needs to have their head examined.hes to expensive and hes a distraction!

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i think exactly no one thought we were getting him, as you'd see if you read the posts.

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[QUOTE=rvd420;288230]anybody who thinks well get briggs needs to have their head examined.hes to expensive and hes a distraction![/QUOTE]

YOU ARE A [B][I][SIZE="4"]DISTRACTION[/SIZE][/I][/B]!!!

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:FIREdevil i didnt say anybody said that i was just sayin my opinion COWBOY!

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[quote=rvd420;288515]:FIREdevil i didnt say anybody said that i was just sayin my opinion COWBOY![/quote]


you really need to read the forum rules. then you might want to try reading them again.

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[quote=That Guy;288823]you really need to read the forum rules. then you might want to try reading them again.[/quote]

Enough "Hippy Lettuce" and he will probably read the forum rules 20 times, never finish them, get bored and order pizza.

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like i said i would rather smoke the peace plant than i would meth like you 2.
by the way crat mentioned trading archy for briggs which wont happen.

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this Briggs thread got everyone fired up too. Notice my post -#61, it may have been closer to happening than we think.