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[quote=Daseal;293516]Here’s a write up as to why I don’t trust Gibbs, in the current arangement to turn the skins back into a winner. First of all, let me say I think this is his last year regardless. If he does poorly I think he’s done in the NFL, and if he does well I think he’ll hand over the reigns and it will look as if he righted the franchise, only time would tell if that’s the case. Every year I hear how the Redskins will either a) Go to the playoffs; b) go far in the playoffs; c) Win the Superbowl. Every year I’m skeptical, every year, except this one I buy in. Last year I thought we’d get a wildcard spot in the playoffs and maybe win one game. I was just as far off as most other people, but I refuse to buy the hype anymore.

I think Joe Gibbs has a few major problems as a coach in this era. I feel he hasn’t yet adjusted, and at this point I’m not sure if he will. It doesn’t all have to do with coaching, but I will explain all of my points below.
1) Joe Gibbs lacks the killer instinct. He fails miserably in finishing teams. How many times have we had a lead, run it three times up the middle, punted, and lost the game? The answer is far too many. I’m not saying go balls to the wall in that situation. High percentage passes, mix up the runs, attempt to get the first down. If we don’t give them the ball back, they don’t have a chance. Often times by that point our defense is exhausted from being on the field the whole time.
2) Joe Gibbs in the front office. This doesn’t just go on Joe Gibbs, I don’t feel any coach should have these responsibilities. While some coaches pull it off (such as Andy Reid) the vast majority of coaches can’t. I simply think being a head coach is enough work without having to worry about overseeing scouting, player acquisition, etc. This isn’t to say the coaches shouldn’t be involved in some sense, but most of the work should go to a GM or whatever system the FO sets up.
3) Too willing to give away draft picks like candy. We’re constantly trading up and acting like draft picks are worth nothing. While I think you can often get a very solid veteran for a reasonable draft pick and often it’s a good deal, I’m much more concerned with the fact that we’re constantly trading up in the draft. For instance, do we really feel that trading up for Rocky was worth it? Unless we felt he was a real impact player, then we should have held fast. Even worse than that is how we seem to always give up more than we have to when it comes to trading.

As far as what I think of Gibbs proving something to me. That means consistency from year to year. I’d like to see us build on success from a previous year. We went from a solid [B]regular season[/B] finish in 2005, but we came into 2006 flat and never got it together. I put this on Joe Gibbs. I find many of his decisions questionable both in games and when it comes to other facets of the game.

Yes, keep harping on my age. You can be 85 years old and still not know anything about football. I’ve never claimed myself an expert, and I often have strong opinions that people don’t agree with. However, I’m also right more often than I am wrong. I feel that the only thing I remember from Gibbs’ first stint is how much candy 200 bucks buys from winning the pool for vs the Bills is an asset. I’m not blinded by what he did in the past. I’m taking nothing away from what Gibbs did back in his hay day, but it’s a new era and you can’t take a man who has been out of the league for 11 years and act like his resume just continues without a hiccup.

Trust me, I hope more than anyone else that I’m wrong. But I don’t feel Gibbs relates to athletes anymore. He seems like the senile old grandfather when they go into the locker room and show footage. I’m worried he doesn’t connect with the players, and I feel he doesn’t use players correctly. If Gibbs has a great season next year, feel free to bring this thread back up and I’ll eat crow. However, I don’t expect that to be the case.[/quote]I don't know who keeps hyping us to be a great team year in and year out. Before last season, we certainly earned it. We were as good a superbowl pick as any other team. A lot of things broke against us defensively, mainly that age caught up with us in the front 7 seemingly all at the same time. This was certainly a concern going into the season, but it was incredibly unfortuante that so many key players for us hit the wall last year. If that had happened to any other team in the league, they too would have lost at least 10 games. It would be very short sighted to pin that one on Gibbs.

Prior to last season, I can't remember the last time we had any hype. Hype generated from fan sites such as The Warpath doesn't count.

I can't in good conscience agree that Gibbs lacks a killer instict. You can't make an acusation like that without honestly believing that winning is not as important to Gibbs as it is to the opposing coach. The guy didn't come back so he could not do everything in his power to win ballgames. I think you are taking evidences, such as the Falcons game last year, and interpreting their meanings when it isn't necessary. Look, we had a crappy defense. We got stops on the first two drives in that game and consequently we got a 14-0 lead. But it's not really Gibbs' fault that Campbell couldn't hold up his end of the bargin to keep drives alive in that game and it CERTAINLY isn't Gibbs fault that the worse than replacement passer, Michael Vick, went up and down the field on us with ease. That's not lacking a killer instinct. That's the defense giving up an early lead because they suck.

Your other two reasons are administrative Gibbs reasons. And honestly, you really have to keep seperate Gibbs the talent evaluator and Gibbs the head coach. After all, Gibbs was essentially learning the nuiances of talent eval on the run. He is showing signs of improvement, but that doesn't make up for the critical errors he and his staff made. It wasn't to be unexpected. He's a football coach. He's going to be a fine general manager due to some lessons learned, but he wasn't his first 3 years here. No amount of administrative mistakes should affect the legacy of Gibbs the coach. Respect the individuality of these two seperate entities. Gibbs has proven himself successful at one, and proven himself inexperienced at the other.

I can fully understand your desire for consistent winning. That's just something that's very hard to do. A football game is only 60 mins long. Luck won't necessarily even out over that short time. This makes it hard for even the best coaches to put together a consistent winner. Too much can go wrong that is completely out of the coach's control. Especially in a year where Gibbs relinquished his playcalling duties, it seems really hard to pin the losing season on him as you are doing.

Maybe theres a chance Gibbs isn't using his players correctly. Tell us a few things that you would do differently if you were the coach of the Redskins.

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[quote=Daseal;293518]Actually, I can name eight. Dungy, Belichick, Schottenheimer, Shanahan, Holmgren, Lewis, Cowher, and Del Rio (Bengals, Steelers, and the Jags all had at least 1 8-8 season, but that’s not losing). That’s a quarter of the league. Surprised?[/quote]Every one of which has more talent than we do on their roster. And of course, the Bengals and Jaguars were only playoff teams once over that time. Seems like Gibbs II has done at least the job that Del Rio and Marvin Lewis have if not better.

Shanahan has a unique offensive system, very much like Gibbs, and comes to each game very prepared. But Shanahan's in game ineptitude has cost the Broncos a share of games that they should have won.

San Diego and Indianapolis have epicly GREAT players on their rosters. They have good coaches, but quite clearly, the players are what keeps the teams consistently successful.

Belicheck and Cowher are very solid coaches, but their organizations do a great job finding cheap talent which keeps them successful for a sustained period of time. I would throw Reid and the Eagles onto this list too, even though their 2005 was an injury riddled one.

It's no secret that the most successful coaches have the best players. Gibbs' roster hasn't been all that great since he returned. It could have been, but it wasn't.

[QUOTE]The game has changed significantly since Gibbs left and he's so much as admitted it. I think three full years is patient. How many coaches get three years to go about their business with a losing record not having to worry about thier job? Not many. Three years is the typical grace period for coaches now days. He's getting a fourth with open arms, but I feel if he doesn't do it, he's in deep trouble.

I know everyone here is biased, but I guarantee you a majority of the football community agrees with me more than you.[/QUOTE]Whenever a guy is away that long, there will be an adjustment period. I'm guessing by the point when Ramsey replaced Brunell in 2004, he was adjusted just fine. Gibbs has been holding up his end of the bargain for this whole time. Arguably, the head coach is responsible for some of the underachieving that has gone on here...but more accurately, the players are professionals. They have to be incharge of themselves. You can't blame Gibbs for not adequately babysitting these guys. If they aren't giving 100% every week, get new guys.

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without getting as long winded as you two, let me say first, i think Gibbs has earned the semi- free pass he has around here. ill take some mediocrity for 3 super bowl victories, any day. secondly, can you guys name one coach you would rather have here, right now, instead of coach Gibbs? i cant think of one. there are 2 issues that i have with coach Gibbs part 2. first, this man was a master at adjustments. where the hell have they been? and secondly, stop delegating. more of a hall of fame coach, and less of the assistants = more winning. one of the best days for me being a redskins fan is when the skins announced Gibbs was coming back. its time for him to step up, or ride off into the sunshine

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We're obviously not going to convince each other. I've put down what I feel about it and will leave it at that. We're going back and forth with the same thing. Only time will tell who's right when it comes down the line,

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[quote=dmek25;293532]without getting as long winded as you two, let me say first, i think Gibbs has earned the semi- free pass he has around here. ill take some mediocrity for 3 super bowl victories, any day. secondly, can you guys name one coach you would rather have here, right now, instead of coach Gibbs? i cant think of one. there are 2 issues that i have with coach Gibbs part 2. first, this man was a master at adjustments. where the hell have they been? and secondly, stop delegating. more of a hall of fame coach, and less of the assistants = more winning. one of the best days for me being a redskins fan is when the skins announced Gibbs was coming back. its time for him to step up, or ride off into the sunshine[/quote]

I will agree w/ u here. No 1/2 time adjustments what so ever. First go arounde this guy was the master at it.

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I thought being a couple of games away from going to the Super Bowl in '05 was pretty good. And Gibbs did it with a QB like Brunell. Last year was an abberation. I can understand Gibbs' first year being somewhat rough seeing as it was a return after a long layoff. So really, last year was really the only bad year so far...
I hope you are wrong Daseal, but I understand all your points. Try to stay optimistic. Gibbs has a way of correcting things.

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[quote=SonnySamFrank;293361]What a jerk!

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I think you are too harsh. This is a 17 paragraph story. Pasquarelli spends half of one paragraph saying what Gibbs has already said about himself.

Criticism, by itself, is not bashing.

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Reguardless of the record, there isn't anyone in the world I would rather see showing this team. If anything, the impact on the players and fans he's had since returning. I felt so good about that first season he was back, just because he was there. It's good to look to the sidelines and see him kinda glaring into space. There comes a time though that you have to start wondering if there's someone better for the job, but I'm not there yet.


SEMPER JOE!!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;293411]First of all name one team that thinks it's OK TO LOSS NOW? OK BESIDES THE...RAIDERS
Of course he's tryin to win now....why wait till latter. I think last year was a huge suprise to all coming off a playoff birth in 05. Due to alot of key injuries and yes some bad personel desissions, it is what it is.

Back to Joe. This is what makes Joe the GREAT COACH he is, being able to come back from this type of advertisity, and moving the team to being better than anyone thought.

STAY TUNED. HE WILL GET IT DONE![/quote]So if Gibb's does not bounce back from last year will it then be time for him to step down?

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I think you guys are being way too harsh on Daseal, he is just expressing his position. No need for all the old guns to come in here and give their war stories and talk about how they use to walk uphill to and from school barefoot in the snow.

He is saying a couple legit things, especially about how Gibbs is giving away draft picks to win now, and it obviously has not been TOO successful, yet is still trying to do that now. We are gonna be ****ed in 08 and 09 with cap issues. As a common sense practical person he should have seen that, and stopped it now. It doesnt matter wtf his talent people say he always has the final say. Everyone keeps ranting about how us young people are forgetting about Gibbs and all that but the point still remains he has ****ED up with his free agency/lack of draft strategy.

I still love Gibbs and will support him with his record because I think he knows how to win, but he has ****ed up plain and simple and I don't see why you guys are going around that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;293522]Every one of which has more talent than we do on their roster. And of course, the Bengals and Jaguars were only playoff teams once over that time. Seems like Gibbs II has done at least the job that Del Rio and Marvin Lewis have if not better.

Shanahan has a unique offensive system, very much like Gibbs, and comes to each game very prepared. But Shanahan's in game ineptitude has cost the Broncos a share of games that they should have won.

San Diego and Indianapolis have epicly GREAT players on their rosters. They have good coaches, but quite clearly, the players are what keeps the teams consistently successful.

Belicheck and Cowher are very solid coaches, but their organizations do a great job finding cheap talent which keeps them successful for a sustained period of time. I would throw Reid and the Eagles onto this list too, even though their 2005 was an injury riddled one.

It's no secret that the most successful coaches have the best players. Gibbs' roster hasn't been all that great since he returned. It could have been, but it wasn't.

Whenever a guy is away that long, there will be an adjustment period. I'm guessing by the point when Ramsey replaced Brunell in 2004, he was adjusted just fine. Gibbs has been holding up his end of the bargain for this whole time. Arguably, the head coach is responsible for some of the underachieving that has gone on here...but more accurately, the players are professionals. They have to be incharge of themselves. You can't blame Gibbs for not adequately babysitting these guys. If they aren't giving 100% every week, get new guys.[/quote]That's a very weak argument and really says Gibb's has not been able to find the talent, motivate the players, use the cap to find more low wage good players, hire good coaches etc (I hope your not an Atty.)... I thought that was his job as a coach? Oh' but its the other caoches that are doing all of this.
Don't get me wrong I'm glade Gibb's came back but his numbers are his numbers and right now they are below what they need to be. This will be the year for me and if Gibb's can produce a team that will bounce back from last year than I'll be happy.

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The issue with Gibbs as team president is - he was and is still a little inexperienced. And to make it more difficult (for himself), he is head coach. That's 2 full-time positions, he is taking on - actually that's 2 over-time expected positions that he is taking on. Gibbs also seems to have expressed that he is a learn-by-doing type of person. The problem that he may be overlooking is - as team president, he never had the type of previous personnel background that made him so successful as a head coach.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;293405]Great leaders are never "done". It may take some time to "right the ship", but we did make the playoffs in 2005. Let's look at JG's track record: 3 Superbowl wins and 4 SB appearances in 11 years, with 3 different QBs, then transitioning to NASCAR and winning two Championships with different drivers. These championships are testaments to a man who can build and lead a team (with not necessarily the best talent) to victory.
The dynamics of building an NFL team have changed greatly since JG's first run, (salary cap) and the mess the Skins were in can't be fixed overnight (ownership change, coaching changes, Free Agent mistakes by the Daniel). But those of us who remember the 80s firsthand will have optimism as long as JG is here.

P.S. If ESPN sacked Joey T. from MNF, why the hell do they still let Pastabelly spew his crap, the guy is a fat, pompus idiot.[/quote]


thanks slinging sammy you pretty much answered my question...
as long as joe is here anything is possible cause he built this franchise not tear it down like some other person i don,t feel like calling out but you mentioned his name...
i remember the 80,s like it was yesterday and boy i missed them days..

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[quote=gibbs4life;293781]thanks slinging sammy you pretty much answered my question...
as long as joe is here anything is possible cause he built this franchise not tear it down like some other person i don,t feel like calling out but you mentioned his name...
i remember the 80,s like it was yesterday and boy i missed them days..[/quote]

There's no question to me that gibbs makes the redskins better, he breaks his back for this team. I would probably cry if the left the team. But maybe he needs to get some experienced talent on the personnel side of things (that's a little funny getting some talent to find talent), so he can oversee and learn - instead of doing this on the coaching side of things.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;293405]Great leaders are never "done". It may take some time to "right the ship", but we did make the playoffs in 2005. Let's look at JG's track record: 3 Superbowl wins and 4 SB appearances in 11 years, with 3 different QBs, then transitioning to NASCAR and winning two Championships with different drivers. These championships are testaments to a man who can build and lead a team (with not necessarily the best talent) to victory.
The dynamics of building an NFL team have changed greatly since JG's first run, (salary cap) and the mess the Skins were in can't be fixed overnight (ownership change, coaching changes, Free Agent mistakes by the Daniel). But those of us who remember the 80s firsthand will have optimism as long as JG is here.

P.S. If ESPN sacked Joey T. from MNF, why the hell do they still let Pastabelly spew his crap, the guy is a fat, pompus idiot.[/QUOTE]


Circumastances can dictate what makes a great leader, kind of like how an offensive line can affect a RB, a great offensive line can make a good back look great, and a bad offensive line can make a great back look orginary, but every once in a while a great back is so good he will make his yards no matter what. What we have with Gibbs could very well be a solid coach who was made great by the talent that Bobby Beathard supplied him with in the 80's, the fact is he's going on his 4th year and we are no closer to a championship than when he arrived, we are not a team ready to make that next step we have holes all over the place and now we are focusing on a LB? Gibbs will be in the not rebuilding mode for as long as he's running things, and so long as he's running things we will need to rebuild.

The only thing I can take from the 80's is what Gibbs had then and no longer has now, Bobby Beathard! No longer can Gibbs take the field and do whatever he wants because his offensive line would make anything work, so if Gibbs hasen't lost it as a coach, maybe he was never as good as we thought, because as of right now if he didn't have the credentials he has coming in he would have been fired after the first season, and if he made it this far some how he would be the absolute laughing stock of the NFL, as well as this board with the way he's conducted his personel decisions. And he's working over time to screw it up again, as I said before the dog alway's returns to his vomit, and he will find a way to screw up this draft even with only one legitamate pick.

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You can hate Joe, or love Joe. Fact is, take away Joe's impact on the Washington Redskins, and we're the DAMN Bengals.
I think Joe turns it this season. Just for the record, I am one of the fans that will still be on his side side next season if he doesn't

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[quote=dmek25;293532]without getting as long winded as you two, let me say first, i think Gibbs has earned the semi- free pass he has around here. ill take some mediocrity for 3 super bowl victories, any day. secondly, can you guys name one coach you would rather have here, right now, instead of coach Gibbs? i cant think of one. there are 2 issues that i have with coach Gibbs part 2. first, this man was a master at adjustments. where the hell have they been? and secondly, stop delegating. more of a hall of fame coach, and less of the assistants = more winning. one of the best days for me being a redskins fan is when the skins announced Gibbs was coming back. its time for him to step up, or ride off into the sunshine[/quote]

The adjustments thing I totally agree with...now the delegating to assistants is some Gibbs did even back int he days of Gibbs 1.0. I remember watching the replay of the '87 Super Bowl and all they kept talking about is how many coaches Gibbs had on his staff and how much money they had spent on coaching. Now I will agree he's earned somewhat of a pass however even Gibbs himself said when he came back that those three ring don't mean a damn thing now.

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[quote=offiss;293890]Circumastances can dictate what makes a great leader, kind of like how an offensive line can affect a RB, a great offensive line can make a good back look great, and a bad offensive line can make a great back look orginary, but every once in a while a great back is so good he will make his yards no matter what. What we have with Gibbs could very well be a solid coach who was made great by the talent that Bobby Beathard supplied him with in the 80's, the fact is he's going on his 4th year and we are no closer to a championship than when he arrived, we are not a team ready to make that next step we have holes all over the place and now we are focusing on a LB? Gibbs will be in the not rebuilding mode for as long as he's running things, and so long as he's running things we will need to rebuild.

The only thing I can take from the 80's is what Gibbs had then and no longer has now, Bobby Beathard! No longer can Gibbs take the field and do whatever he wants because his offensive line would make anything work, so if Gibbs hasen't lost it as a coach, maybe he was never as good as we thought, because as of right now if he didn't have the credentials he has coming in he would have been fired after the first season, and if he made it this far some how he would be the absolute laughing stock of the NFL, as well as this board with the way he's conducted his personel decisions. And he's working over time to screw it up again, as I said before the dog alway's returns to his vomit, and he will find a way to screw up this draft even with only one legitamate pick.[/quote]Well, he certainly didn't forget how to coach, so maybe he was just a good coach in a great situation.

But you forget to mention the most plausible reason for two losing seasons in the last three tries. Maybe he's just a great coach in a bad situation THIS time around.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;294888]Well, he certainly didn't forget how to coach, so maybe he was just a good coach in a great situation.

But you forget to mention the most plausible reason for two losing seasons in the last three tries. Maybe he's just a great coach in a bad situation THIS time around.[/QUOTE]

Well I really had no cause to mention something like that, because the fact is he created whatever situation that we are in right now, so perhaps a bad situation for Gibbs is to allow him total control to make personel decisions?

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[quote=offiss;294901]Well I really had no cause to mention something like that, because the fact is he created whatever situation that we are in right now, so perhaps a bad situation for Gibbs is to allow him total control to make personel decisions?[/quote]Perhaps.

Not defending Gibbs as a personel guy. Just as a coach.

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Joe deserves some heat as the coach. He has made many coaching mistakes since his return. Now that we have a QB that can get the ball downfield I want to see a more aggressive, quick strike offense.

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2004 was a bad year.

2005 was magical. If Rogers picks that off he's in the endzone and maybe we're in the championship game. That team knocked the Seahawks around all day long. We just didn't get it done on offense.

2006 was a total dud. I blame the coaches for this year. After Brunell failed in 2005 playoffs he should have been eliminated from the starting line up. Way too many coaching mistakes. If Joe wasn't Joe Gibbs he would have been fired after this season.

I have confidence that they have learned from their mistakes and adjusted to Al Saunders. Anything less than the playoffs is a failure and Joe needs to go. Its do or die time. Joe Gibbs had the balls to come back! Unlike the Tuna who gets no heat for that bail out move.

Pastabelly has ALWAYS talked smack about the Skins and Joe. I personally think he hates Snyder and loves to undermine everything about him. Pastabelly is a fat slob!

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[quote=JDALY27;294981]2004 was a bad year.

2005 was magical. If Rogers picks that off he's in the endzone and maybe we're in the championship game. That team knocked the Seahawks around all day long. We just didn't get it done on offense.

2006 was a total dud. I blame the coaches for this year. After Brunell failed in 2005 playoffs he should have been eliminated from the starting line up. Way too many coaching mistakes. If Joe wasn't Joe Gibbs he would have been fired after this season.

I have confidence that they have learned from their mistakes and adjusted to Al Saunders. Anything less than the playoffs is a failure and Joe needs to go. Its do or die time. Joe Gibbs had the balls to come back! Unlike the Tuna who gets no heat for that bail out move.

Pastabelly has ALWAYS talked smack about the Skins and Joe. I personally think he hates Snyder and loves to undermine everything about him. Pastabelly is a fat slob![/quote]Are you agreeing with Len or bashing him?

I really can't tell.

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[quote=GTripp0012;295068]Are you agreeing with Len or bashing him?

I really can't tell.[/quote]


What is your opinion of Joe Gibbs and the Redskins performance over the past three years? I don't like Len but I really hate 5-11.

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[quote=JDALY27;295071]What is your opinion of Joe Gibbs and the Redskins performance over the past three years? I don't like Len but I really hate 5-11.[/quote]My opinion of Gibbs the coach? Delegate less. Do more. Honestly, the team is in good hands from a coaching standpoint.

The 5-11? Better luck next year.

We lost games we shouldn't have. I dwelled on the Minnesota loss for about 7 weeks, and then gave up. If we couldn't beat Minnesota at home on opening day, we weren't going very far. Tenessee did us in.

We could have won a lot more games than we did, so ya know, whatever. Next season is right around the corner.

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If we do not make a real run this season, Coach will probably step down. We have a weaker schedule and our division is rather pathetic overall. Brunell was the weak link in 2004, late in 2005 and all of 2006, but if JC flounders, it might mean that the rebuilding will take longer than what we had hoped. My main concern is not just the JC might flounder, but that if we do have another subpar year we will lose a lot of solid performers who will probably throw in the towel and we are back to square one with trying to fill in large holes.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;295080]We lost games we shouldn't have. I dwelled on the Minnesota loss for about 7 weeks, and then gave up. If we couldn't beat Minnesota at home on opening day, we weren't going very far.[/QUOTE]

Man, I agree with you there. That Viking loss at home really set the tone for the season. It's as if they were all still locked in preseason mode -- they came out and played like zombies.

While the run defense in that game was solid -- I think Minnesota was held to around 3 yards per rush or less, -- what really stood out was zero QB pressure on Brad Johnson whom we harassed in '04 in the opening game against the Bucs. It was at that point where our secondary and pathetic pass rush was exposed. When the season wore on, Griff and Salave'a got more and more winded and nicked up.

That's a testament to old age setting in with football players. Instead of getting stronger, our D-tackles just took beating after beating and got weaker. I can't think of a better case to make as to why the defensive tackle position should be the key issue that needs to be addressed this offseason.

I hope it happens with the draft - because thusfar, the front office has shown little interest in picking up help for the front four. It's all been linebackers and the secondary so far.

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Joe Gibbs wins the SB at least once every 4 years. By my watch, its only been 3. He may need a 5th year because the QB is too green.

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Daseal,
It's now time for you to stop posting in this forum. I don't post very often, but your lack of respect for JOE GIBBS has compelled me. The man built our entire legacy, and brought us back to the playoffs in his second stint. If I ever see you in public...I am going to find your mother and force my dog's down her mouth. Pick another team bitch.

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[QUOTE=NoviSkins;295767]Daseal,
It's now time for you to stop posting in this forum. I don't post very often, but your lack of respect for JOE GIBBS has compelled me. The man built our entire legacy, and brought us back to the playoffs in his second stint. If I ever see you in public...I am going to find your mother and force my dog's down her mouth. Pick another team bitch.[/QUOTE]

I disagree nearly 100% with what Daseal opines about Gibbs. But he's entitled to his opinion, and he's never acted disrepectfully toward anyone here when expressing his opinion.

Your post was way way out of line. You owe Daseal and everyone else who had to read that an apology. Apologize or find somewhere else to go.

Re: Pastabelly bashes J. Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=Daseal;293516]Here’s a write up as to why I don’t trust Gibbs, in the current arangement to turn the skins back into a winner. First of all, let me say I think this is his last year regardless. If he does poorly I think he’s done in the NFL, and if he does well I think he’ll hand over the reigns and it will look as if he righted the franchise, only time would tell if that’s the case. Every year I hear how the Redskins will either a) Go to the playoffs; b) go far in the playoffs; c) Win the Superbowl. Every year I’m skeptical, every year, except this one I buy in. Last year I thought we’d get a wildcard spot in the playoffs and maybe win one game. I was just as far off as most other people, but I refuse to buy the hype anymore.

I think Joe Gibbs has a few major problems as a coach in this era. I feel he hasn’t yet adjusted, and at this point I’m not sure if he will. It doesn’t all have to do with coaching, but I will explain all of my points below.
1) Joe Gibbs lacks the killer instinct. He fails miserably in finishing teams. How many times have we had a lead, run it three times up the middle, punted, and lost the game? The answer is far too many. I’m not saying go balls to the wall in that situation. High percentage passes, mix up the runs, attempt to get the first down. If we don’t give them the ball back, they don’t have a chance. Often times by that point our defense is exhausted from being on the field the whole time.
2) Joe Gibbs in the front office. This doesn’t just go on Joe Gibbs, I don’t feel any coach should have these responsibilities. While some coaches pull it off (such as Andy Reid) the vast majority of coaches can’t. I simply think being a head coach is enough work without having to worry about overseeing scouting, player acquisition, etc. This isn’t to say the coaches shouldn’t be involved in some sense, but most of the work should go to a GM or whatever system the FO sets up.
3) Too willing to give away draft picks like candy. We’re constantly trading up and acting like draft picks are worth nothing. While I think you can often get a very solid veteran for a reasonable draft pick and often it’s a good deal, I’m much more concerned with the fact that we’re constantly trading up in the draft. For instance, do we really feel that trading up for Rocky was worth it? Unless we felt he was a real impact player, then we should have held fast. Even worse than that is how we seem to always give up more than we have to when it comes to trading.

As far as what I think of Gibbs proving something to me. That means consistency from year to year. I’d like to see us build on success from a previous year. We went from a solid [b]regular season[/b] finish in 2005, but we came into 2006 flat and never got it together. I put this on Joe Gibbs. I find many of his decisions questionable both in games and when it comes to other facets of the game.

Yes, keep harping on my age. You can be 85 years old and still not know anything about football. I’ve never claimed myself an expert, and I often have strong opinions that people don’t agree with. However, I’m also right more often than I am wrong. I feel that the only thing I remember from Gibbs’ first stint is how much candy 200 bucks buys from winning the pool for vs the Bills is an asset. I’m not blinded by what he did in the past. I’m taking nothing away from what Gibbs did back in his hay day, but it’s a new era and you can’t take a man who has been out of the league for 11 years and act like his resume just continues without a hiccup.

Trust me, I hope more than anyone else that I’m wrong. But I don’t feel Gibbs relates to athletes anymore. He seems like the senile old grandfather when they go into the locker room and show footage. I’m worried he doesn’t connect with the players, and I feel he doesn’t use players correctly. If Gibbs has a great season next year, feel free to bring this thread back up and I’ll eat crow. However, I don’t expect that to be the case.[/QUOTE]

Had to back track after seeing the post slamming you by noviclown, but as usual your pretty much dead on, I wonder if noviclown is Joe Gibbs secret screen name?:)