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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;300993]Like a hard cap for each team?[/QUOTE]

Baseball really needs this. This would help teams like the KC Royals to actually be competitive.

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The Royals have no one to blame but themselves. Their ineptitude on the field is due more to poor decision making than any salary cap concerns. Only the Royals would foolishly give Gil Meche a 5 year, $55 million contract.

Due to revenue sharing, the Royals received about $50 million in 2005 (as best I recall, it was somewhere around this number). Add to that local ticket sales (usually derived from top teams like the Yankees coming to town) plus local tv revenue and you're looking at at least $65 million (conservative estimate) in revenue coming into KC. Yet their payroll in 2005 was under $30 million.

So where is the rest of that money going? And why are small market teams like Oakland and Minnesota able to compete? And even teams like Milwaukee, and Cincinnati have gotten stronger.

The Royals are essentially being funded by the Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles and Dodgers of MLB yet I have no idea what they're doing with it. Beyond Alex Gordon, I don't even know what sort of future they have

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;301025]The Royals have no one to blame but themselves. Their ineptitude on the field is due more to poor decision making than any salary cap concerns. Only the Royals would foolishly give Gil Meche a 5 year, $55 million contract.

Due to revenue sharing, the Royals received about $50 million in 2005 (as best I recall, it was somewhere around this number). Add to that local ticket sales (usually derived from top teams like the Yankees coming to town) plus local tv revenue and you're looking at at least $65 million (conservative estimate) in revenue coming into KC. Yet their payroll in 2005 was under $30 million.

So where is the rest of that money going? And why are small market teams like Oakland and Minnesota able to compete? And even teams like Milwaukee, and Cincinnati have gotten stronger.

The Royals are essentially being funded by the Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles and Dodgers of MLB yet I have no idea what they're doing with it. Beyond Alex Gordon, I don't even know what sort of future they have[/QUOTE]

I was using the Royals as an example...there are over 15 other teams that fall into this trap as well.
Oakland would have a dynasty if they had the money to keep their top notch talented players, but they don't. They are the farm team for MLB. It's not right. Imagine Giambi, Zito, Mulder, Hudson, Tejada all on the same team at the top of their games...not a single player is still on the team.

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Yeah, SS dont you think there should be some kind of change? How is the current system fair?

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[QUOTE=hooskins;301032]Yeah, SS dont you think there should be some kind of change? How is the current system fair?[/QUOTE]

FYI- I don't believe that revenue sharing is fair...don't take away money from teams that earned it. Make your team earn it. A salary cap would be the right answer, that way everyone plays under the same rules. Every sport does it but baseball.
Hockey - cap
Basketball - cap
Football - complicated cap
NASCAR - restrictions on cars to equal the playing field.

Why not baseball?

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The general argument made against the cap is that it should be a free market and they're should be no minimum or maximum a team should be allowed to spend.

Maybe so, but that makes a lot more sense to me than revenue sharing where-as jsarno points out-you're punishing teams that have earned it. A lot of teams with lower payrolls keep their payrolls low not because they have no choice but because they know if they don't they'll no longer get money funneled down to them to the top teams.

This was a huge reason the Expos were dissolved and ulimately resurrected as the Washington Nationals. Top paying teams realized they were essentially covering the entire payroll of another team instead of spending money on their own teams.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;301044]The general argument made against the cap is that it should be a free market and they're should be no minimum or maximum a team should be allowed to spend.

Maybe so, but that makes a lot more sense to me than revenue sharing where-as jsarno points out-you're punishing teams that have earned it. A lot of teams with lower payrolls keep their payrolls low not because they have no choice but because they know if they don't they'll no longer get money funneled down to them to the top teams.

This was a huge reason the Expos were dissolved and ulimately resurrected as the Washington Nationals. Top paying teams realized they were essentially covering the entire payroll of another team instead of spending money on their own teams.[/QUOTE]

But you hold the other teams accountable if there is a cap in place. If the royals made poor decisions, then so be it if there was a cap. If not...how can a team with say a 30 mil income and team salary compete with the likes of the Yankees that can spend 300 mil without losing a dime?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;301046]But you hold the other teams accountable if there is a cap in place. If the royals made poor decisions, then so be it if there was a cap. If not...how can a team with say a 30 mil income and team salary compete with the likes of the Yankees that can spend 300 mil without losing a dime?[/QUOTE]

But teams like the Yankees do lose money while the Royals run a profit

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;301048]But teams like the Yankees do lose money while the Royals run a profit[/QUOTE]

I don't mean to sound rude, but you are incorrect. The Yankees have not been in the red for a REALLY long time. Part of that has to do with the YES network, but last year they made about 50 mil profit. FYI- they have made THE most profit every year for the past 6 years.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;301051]I don't mean to sound rude, but you are incorrect. The Yankees have not been in the red for a REALLY long time. Part of that has to do with the YES network, but last year they made about 50 mil profit. FYI- they have made THE most profit every year for the past 6 years.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Apr/19/br/br6203579481.html]Forbes: Yankees top franchise, but lost money - The Honolulu Advertiser - Hawaii's Newspaper[/url]

[url=http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/33/334613.html]New York Yankees, Baseball Team Valuations - Forbes.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;301052][url=http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Apr/19/br/br6203579481.html]Forbes: Yankees top franchise, but lost money - The Honolulu Advertiser - Hawaii's Newspaper[/url]

[url=http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/33/334613.html]New York Yankees, Baseball Team Valuations - Forbes.com[/url][/QUOTE]

I found my stats in the magazine that shows that the Yanks made money, however, after looking closer, it was not counting the revenue sharing. So I apologize, you are correct. The Yanks are getting screwed by the revenue sharing rules, otherwise, they are hands down the most profitable team in MLB with their ridiculous salary...and btw, the reason they pay so much in luxury taxes is their own doing. If they actually dropped their salary, they would produce a profit.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;301055]I found my stats in the magazine that shows that the Yanks made money, however, after looking closer, it was not counting the revenue sharing. So I apologize, you are correct. The Yanks are getting screwed by the revenue sharing rules, otherwise, they are hands down the most profitable team in MLB with their ridiculous salary...and btw, the reason they pay so much in luxury taxes is their own doing. If they actually dropped their salary, they would produce a profit.[/QUOTE]

You're right though that the YES Network helps them, because as Forbes mentioned it helps them offset their on-field losses in an attempt to put the best team of players out there. And, as I've heard, the Yankees "save money" by cutting other expenses-such as firing secretaries, concession stand workers, and other assorted stadium employees.

It's a flawed system all around. But minor league baseball is fun :)

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;301056]

It's a flawed system all around. But minor league baseball is fun :)[/QUOTE]

I will absolutely agree with that. Like I said before, revenue sharing is horrible. I was against it when they passed it, and I am against it today. The players union helped pass that because that left their pockets full while they of course don't care what happens to the team.
The only logical answer is to get rid of "revenue sharing" and start a salary cap.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;300996]First time in Sox history, 4 HRs in a row.

Last time this was done in the MLB was 40 years ago....wow...[/QUOTE]

No, the last time it was done in the AL was 40 years ago (or so). The last time it was done in MLB was last year by the Dodgers. It was the first time the Red Sox have ever done it.

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2 more ding dongs.

Up to 14 now. He just tied the record for April (Pujolz - 14 last year) and he has a week left in the month! Wow.

On pace for 126 HRs and 320 RBIs. :D

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You know why I hate the Yankees? Because almost all of their fans all total douch bags. They are either fair-weather/band-wagoners, which are the worst kind of fans, or they are legitimate fans by birth, location etc..

The latter group for the most part are pompous and arrogant and seem to think the Yankees do no wrong. I equate their fan base with the Cowboys fan base. I think there are about 9 decent and respectable Yankees fans and that's it. The rest are justing waisting air.

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what's the record for most home runs in one month? i think it's set by sosa :hater:

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[QUOTE=Duffman003;301627]what's the record for most home runs in one month? i think it's set by sosa :hater:[/QUOTE]

Yeah it's Sosa with like 20.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;301605]You know why I hate the Yankees? Because almost all of their fans all total douch bags. They are either fair-weather/band-wagoners, which are the worst kind of fans, or they are legitimate fans by birth, location etc..

The latter group for the most part are pompous and arrogant and seem to think the Yankees do no wrong. I equate their fan base with the Cowboys fan base. I think there are about 9 decent and respectable Yankees fans and that's it. The rest are justing waisting air.[/QUOTE]


Being a Skins fan, and a Red Sox fan...I have to see I agree with your assessment.

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[QUOTE=Duffman003;301627]what's the record for most home runs in one month? i think it's set by sosa :hater:[/QUOTE]

Here's a link for you:
[url=http://www.baseball-almanac.com/recbooks/rb_hr3.shtml]Home Run in a Month Records by Baseball Almanac[/url]

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[quote=FRPLG;301635]Yeah it's Sosa with like 20.[/quote]

That one could fall this month, which is impressive since April's schedule is a few games shorter than other full months (not starting on April 1).