Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

omg aaahahahahahahaa he never saw this coming. he was just on espn talking about his carolina panthers and then this lololol classic

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

I wonder if Atlanta would be a good fit as well as N'awlins. Nice way to pull off a "double-stick-it-to-ya" to both Tampa and Carolina.

Dang it! I hate not being able to discuss this stuff during "peak hours". It sucks that I'm having a great time with my new job but still...

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Why would we even think about this bum? I said he was garbage when Carolina signed him. He is T.O. without the talent and he was done when Dallas let him go. At least Carolina knows when to cut their losses.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

The guy has caught 70+ balls in 9 of the last 10 seasons.
When did we last have a 'bum' like that?

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Schneed10;305583]Oh wicked burn! On Saturday he was interviewing Dwayne Jarrett from the ESPN set at the draft, and telling Jarrett how excited he was to teach a fellow USC alum how it's done in the NFL. And now he gets friggin axed outright! That's hilarious! Dude couldn't possibly have more egg on his face right now.[/quote]


oh yes he can

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=davy;305694]The guy has caught 70+ balls in 9 of the last 10 seasons.
When did we last have a 'bum' like that?[/quote]

You are dead on with this Davy.

Here is the bottom line

Brandon Llyod: 23 receptions, 365 yds, 0 tds
Keyshawn Johnson: 70 receptions, 815 yds, 4 tds

Yeah you can complain that Llyod had a qb who couldn't throw him the ball and a qb that was a rookie, but 0tds - even Todd Yoder and James Thrash got a td each.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

everyones saying that KJ will help us in the redzone but i thought that one of the many knocks on keyshawn was that he had trouble finding the endzone. Always caught like 70 balls but only 3-5 for touchdowns. I agree that hieght would help us in the redzone but im not really sure keyshawns that guy

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=#56fanatic;305664]As your charlotte Skins fan, All I heard on the ride home was how pissed off all the fans are. On every radio show fans were ripping the organization calling it one of the dumbest moves. suprising hearing people talk good about keyshawn[/quote]
i think that the reason this is a dumb move is because if they would have done this alittle earlier, they would have saved themselves a 3 million dollar roster bonus

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Keyshawn is toast and not worth it!!! I hope to god Snyder doesn't try to do something stupid here and try to get him. He is past his prime, which is obvious since nobody wants him( as well as a high sticker price for his services). Next year draft a WR in the 2-3rd round, a young guy that will stick around for a while and produce for us. On top of that I would worry about any possible messing around with team chemistry between Keyshawn and Santana, Llyod, etc. Too may big names(egos) might not bode well for us!!! Leave Keyshawn be!!!!!!!!

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=davy;305694]The guy has caught 70+ balls in 9 of the last 10 seasons.
When did we last have a 'bum' like that?[/quote]

He also lost two games for Carolina last year by himself (Cincinnati and Philadelphia). That came straight from a Carolina fan that I am friends with. Obviously the Panthers didn't give a shit about his 70+ in 9 out of 10 and their front office typically gets a lot of credit.

The last time we had a bum like this? Westbrook or Gardner take your pick.

Anyone who actually thinks that this guy would help our team needs to watch a game or two that doesn't have the Redskins in it.

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The last time we had a bum like this? Westbrook or Gardner take your pick

Good one Grimmy, get a young stud next year with a high end draft pick, a kid with a long career ahead of him, preferably all with the Skins!!!!! Keyshawn will cost us a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$ and might piss off members of our present WR Corp.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;305721]He also lost two games for Carolina last year by himself (Cincinnati and Philadelphia). That came straight from a Carolina fan that I am friends with. Obviously the Panthers didn't give a shit about his 70+ in 9 out of 10 and their front office typically gets a lot of credit.

The last time we had a bum like this? Westbrook or Gardner take your pick.

Anyone who actually thinks that this guy would help our team needs to watch a game or two that doesn't have the Redskins in it.[/quote]

Well I do watch games without Redskins in it thanks to the beauty of Sunday Ticket and I've got to disagree. I don't think the Redskins should sign him, but I also don't think Keyshawn is a bum. He is a very accomplished receiver, with excellent body control and good hands. Won't run by any one, but a very solid WR nonetheless. The game in Philadelphia that he supposedly lost single-handedly according the friend of a previous poster was definitely on Jake Delhomme. It was a wretched throw at the end of the game, if he had put it in a good spot KJ very well might have caught it for the winning score. I guess it is crazy to offer such a defense of Johnson, but the thing holding him back in Carolina was 1) bad O-Line play, which led to 2) erratic QB play from Jake Delhomme (who was hurt a few games which meant Weinke was in), and 3) Delhomme's obsession with Steve Smith . . . oh and he still caught 70 balls.

Westbrook might have been physically superior to Johnson, but neither he nor Gardner were near the receiver he is (as evidenced by their both being out of football with one and a half decent seasons between them).

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;305727]Well I do watch games without Redskins in it thanks to the beauty of Sunday Ticket and I've got to disagree. I don't think the Redskins should sign him, but I also don't think Keyshawn is a bum. He is a very accomplished receiver, with excellent body control and good hands. Won't run by any one, but a very solid WR nonetheless. The game in Philadelphia that he supposedly lost single-handedly according the friend of a previous poster was definitely on Jake Delhomme. It was a wretched throw at the end of the game, if he had put it in a good spot KJ very well might have caught it for the winning score. I guess it is crazy to offer such a defense of Johnson, but the thing holding him back in Carolina was 1) bad O-Line play, which led to 2) erratic QB play from Jake Delhomme (who was hurt a few games which meant Weinke was in), and 3) Delhomme's obsession with Steve Smith . . . oh and he still caught 70 balls.

Westbrook might have been physically superior to Johnson, but neither he nor Gardner were near the receiver he is (as evidenced by their both being out of football with one and a half decent seasons between them).[/quote]

Who needs a posession receiver who drops wide open touchdowns and runs the wrong routes in the red-zone?
I would argue that he should have had much better numbers with Steve Smith across the field especially since they had to throw all the time. What is the explanation for his lack of production in Dallas?
Sorry to dismiss your man love for this guy but he has been overated his entire career. So you are criticizing Delhomme's obsession with Steve Smith? I can't help you buddy.

Carlos Rogers dominated him. Case closed.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Not that I support bringing Keyshawn in, but he does one thing we don't currently have: block.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Daseal;305743]Not that I support bringing Keyshawn in, but he does one thing we don't currently have: block.[/quote]


James Thrash blocks, plays teams and keeps his mouth shut.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;305750]James Thrash blocks, plays teams and keeps his mouth shut.[/quote]

I was going to say that. Good point!

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

This is really a shock to me after watching him during the draft. He seemed excited to help Jarrett.
Anyone think that Keyshawn couldn't help us is wrong. Even at worst, being a 4th wr, he provides reliability and a veteran presence. That would give us a deep WR core. My concern would be his salary...but if we could get him for chump change, I'm all for it.

Who knows, it may help ARE and Lloyd perform better.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=jsarno;305759]This is really a shock to me after watching him during the draft. He seemed excited to help Jarrett.
Anyone think that Keyshawn couldn't help us is wrong. Even at worst, being a 4th wr, he provides reliability and a veteran presence. That would give us a deep WR core. My concern would be his salary...but if we could get him for chump change, I'm all for it.

Who knows, it may help ARE and Lloyd perform better.[/quote]

I am on the fence here about him comming. I do know one thing though, he said that he wanted to go to a team and help them win [B][U]another [/U][/B]Super Bowl. I don't think that the Redskins are on his list. I think that it was a statement to probably get either the Colts or Pats attention.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;305723]and might piss off members of our present WR Corp.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I wouldn't want to hurt Brandon's feelings. He might get cranky and alienate everyone within the organization. Oh wait....

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=MonkFan4Life;305609]OH MY GOD !!!! PLEASE GET THE PLANE IN THE AIR AND SIGN HIM NOW !!!!!

Not since the days of Darnerian McCants has there been a "big" target receiver that I could trust would come down with the ball when is's in the air. We NEED a guy like him. He blocks, he can catch, and he still has some gas left in the tank. SIGN HIM !!![/quote]
DAMN RIGHT!

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=djnemo65;305762]Yeah, I wouldn't want to hurt Brandon's feelings. He might get cranky and alienate everyone within the organization. Oh wait....[/quote]

Man that stuff is over with.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

The absolute last thing this team needs to do is sign a wide receiver. And to hear Keyshawn say that he wants to help another team win a ring? Please, Joe Jurivicius had more to do with that team winning a ring than Key. Warren Sapp almost ate him.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;305718]i think that the reason this is a dumb move is because if they would have done this alittle earlier, they would have saved themselves a 3 million dollar roster bonus[/QUOTE]

Some interesting stuff here:

[url=http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/]Inside the Panthers[/url]

Cap implications of cutting Johnson

Let’s do a little more separating the facts from fiction on the finances of the Keyshawn Johnson situation.

Here’s the deal: He was scheduled to count $3.25 million against the salary cap this year. Instead, the Panthers will have to absorb $3.75 million in outstanding pro-ration of his original bonus, but they’ll actually save cap room with this move. As part of a new rule this year, Johnson will be designated as a post-June 1 release. That will allow the Panthers to spread his cap hit over two years.

He’ll count $1.25 million this year and $2.5 million against the 2008 cap.

Posted by pyasinskas on May 1, 2007 at 02:44 PM | Permalink | Comments (8)
No $3 million bonus for Johnson

Let's clear up a little matter here before it gets too wide-spread: The Panthers DID NOT pay Keyshawn Johnson a $3 million roster bonus on April 1, as has been reported elsewhere and has fans scratching their heads.

The Panthers did pay Johnson $1 million April 1. But that was deferred money from the signing bonus he agreed to when he initially signed with the Panthers. Johnson also was due a $1 million reporting bonus at the start of training camp. Obviously, he won't get that money and it won't count against the salary cap.

Posted by pyasinskas on May 1, 2007 at 01:56 PM | Permalink | Comments (15)
Why Panthers canned Keyshawn

Here's why Keyshawn Johnson is gone:

Although the receiver, who was followed by controversy in his previous stops, seemed to be a model citizen in his one season with the Panthers, there were some-behind the scenes issues.

Some very important people in the organization weren't happy when Johnson failed to stand up and take blame away from quarterback Jake Delhomme after some critical passes intended for Johnson were intercepted. At least one very important person in the organization urged Johnson to do that and he didn't.

Johnson also didn't endear himself to some key people by questioning some coaching moves. The Panthers are on the hook for $3.75 million in salary cap space because of remaining signing bonus prorations. They may designate Johnson as a June 1 cut and spread the cap hit over two years.

The decision to part ways with Johnson actually was made at least several weeks ago. When a rumor was circulating about this move last week, Panthers general manager Marty Hurney told The Observer that information was "not accurate.''

Apparently, the Panthers wanted to make sure their bases were covered before officially making the move, and the clincher came when they drafted USC's Dwayne Jarrett in the second round Saturday.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

No Keyshawn he has been overrated his whole career. He is only a low budget Mike Irvin

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=DGreen28;305804]No Keyshawn he has been overrated his whole career. He is only a low budget Mike Irvin[/quote]

You are giving him way too much credit.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

You could probably say this about 80% (or more) of the off-season threads but this one is worthless because the Skins will not bring him in and he would not sign here anyway. Mark it down.

Grim -

How do I explain his lack of production in Dallas? Well he averaged 70.5 receptions and 910 yards per year in his two seasons there. How is that unproductive? He isn't Jerry Rice, but he is a very solid 2/3 and your hatred of him is misplaced (maybe stemming from the his book or his getting 'Keyshawned' in Tampa, not sure exactly). I'll undoubtedly take some heat for this, but his career numbers actually match up quite favorably with Art Monk's so the only problem you could have with the guy is his attitude (which I don't see as a problem these days) rather than his production. But, again, he will not be a Redskin any time soon.

By the Numbers:

Keyshawn's Avg. Production Per Season through 11 Seasons:
74 Rec., 961 yds, 5.8 TDs

Art Monks Avg. Production Per Season in 15 Seasons (excluding final year in Philadephia):
62 Rec., 848 yds, 4.5 TDs

Art Monk's Avg. Production in his first 11 Seasons:
66 Rec., 903 yds, 4.72 TDs

And Keyshawn has been amazingly consistent. Not advocating his signing here, just pointing out that you cannot bash his production if you look at the numbers.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Johnson Sucks, he really, really sucks, Johnson sucks he really, really SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;305818]You could probably say this about 80% (or more) of the off-season threads but this one is worthless because the Skins will not bring him in and he would not sign here anyway. Mark it down.

Grim -

How do I explain his lack of production in Dallas? Well he averaged 70.5 receptions and 910 yards per year in his two seasons there. How is that unproductive? He isn't Jerry Rice, but he is a very solid 2/3 and your hatred of him is misplaced (maybe stemming from the his book or his getting 'Keyshawned' in Tampa, not sure exactly). I'll undoubtedly take some heat for this, but his career numbers actually match up quite favorably with Art Monk's so the only problem you could have with the guy is his attitude (which I don't see as a problem these days) rather than his production. But, again, he will not be a Redskin any time soon.

By the Numbers:

Keyshawn's Avg. Production Per Season through 11 Seasons:
74 Rec., 961 yds, 5.8 TDs

Art Monks Avg. Production Per Season in 15 Seasons (excluding final year in Philadephia):
62 Rec., 848 yds, 4.5 TDs

Art Monk's Avg. Production in his first 11 Seasons:
66 Rec., 903 yds, 4.72 TDs

And Keyshawn has been amazingly consistent. Not advocating his signing here, just pointing out that you cannot bash his production if you look at the numbers.[/quote]

I hate to be the first one to point this out, but you are obviously not versed in the Redskins' Nation Monk for the Hall Party Line. Monk played in a completely different era where passing yards for receivers where nothing like they were during the time that Keyshawn compiled those stats. Not trying to take away from Keyshawn- because I think he has had a solid career and wouldn't mind him here because he fills a niche that no one else on our team currently does- but you should definitely not drag Monk's hallowed name, or stats, into this discussion.

Secondly, if I hear someone else say that we have a great WR corp I'm going to get belligerent. We DO NOT have a stand out receiving corp outside of Santana by any stretch of the imagination, and it actually is insulting to me that anyone could utter that regrettable opinion.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;305827]I hate to be the first one to point this out, but you are obviously not versed in the Redskins' Nation Monk for the Hall Party Line. Monk played in a completely different era where passing yards for receivers where nothing like they were during the time that Keyshawn compiled those stats. Not trying to take away from Keyshawn- because I think he has had a solid career and wouldn't mind him here because he fills a niche that no one else on our team currently does- but you should definitely not drag Monk's hallowed name, or stats, into this discussion.

Secondly, if I hear someone else say that we have a great WR corp I'm going to get belligerent. We DO NOT have a stand out receiving corp outside of Santana by any stretch of the imagination, and it actually is insulting to me that anyone could utter that regrettable opinion.[/quote]

Has anyone told you about the fact that we have one of the best receiving corps. in the NFL?

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

1 year vet minimum it's a no brainer. Can't pass him up.
If he's expensive or mildly expensive pass.
70 catches and 4 tds is worth a look. He might wanna be a Skin.
I'm thinking Nawlins might be interested.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=angryssg;305824]Johnson Sucks, he really, really sucks, Johnson sucks he really, really SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSS![/quote]

Waterboy reference..nicee

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=GMScud;305646]"The days of Darnerian McCants..." hahaha! That's hilarious! He was decent for 1 season. 1. He had all of 53 catches in 3 seasons for us, and '03 was the only year he did anything of note with a whopping 27 catches.

We have a good over the middle pass catcher who can block and is very effective in the red-zone. #47 anyone??

Isn't Keyshawn the same guy who wrote a book telling teams to "get him the damn ball" ??? If we sign him and make him a #3, the we'll have a the most expensive #4 in league history. We need to build continuity and stability with this offense, especially with Campbell and the WRs. Bringing in a 34 year-old malcontent who will end up bitching when not enough passes come his way is just an awful decision. IMO[/quote]

You are obviously a stat happy guy. Now when McCants was here they hardly threw him the ball but when they did he came down with it. Rarely was the ball thrown his way and he didn't come down with it and I'm not just talking about Madden either. It's not so much having someone to catch passes over the middle, it's about taking pressure off of the other skill players. Yeah you're right we have Chris Cooley and also Santana but seriously did Lloyd make you feel all fuzzy inside by how much attention he drew to himself ? Maybe so, but not me. Johnson will garner attention from opposing defenses which will in turn free up Sanatana and Cooley. Oh yeah and Keyshawn wrote that book in 1997,...10 years ago. So basically your against it because of the money that is already in our top 3 receivers ? I just see Johnson as an asset because he is a proven WR and he's 6 fn 4 !

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[quote]
James Thrash blocks, plays teams and keeps his mouth shut.[/quote]

Thrash can't get on the field because his career is about over. I like Thrash on teams, but lets not act like he's out there for even 1/4 of our offensive plays. Keyshawn isn't worth bringing in for us, but he has definite upsides for a team that needs a 2nd or 3rd option.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Give me a break, there are people here that would seriously want this jackass on our team??!! :doh:

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;305827]I hate to be the first one to point this out, but you are obviously not versed in the Redskins' Nation Monk for the Hall Party Line. Monk played in a completely different era where passing yards for receivers where nothing like they were during the time that Keyshawn compiled those stats. Not trying to take away from Keyshawn- because I think he has had a solid career and wouldn't mind him here because he fills a niche that no one else on our team currently does- but you should definitely not drag Monk's hallowed name, or stats, into this discussion.

Secondly, if I hear someone else say that we have a great WR corp I'm going to get belligerent. We DO NOT have a stand out receiving corp outside of Santana by any stretch of the imagination, and it actually is insulting to me that anyone could utter that regrettable opinion.[/quote]

Yes, well filial piety has a way of making certain topics untouchable doesn't it? Not saying Keyshawn is better than Monk, but people keep talking about how horrible Keyshawn is but that is based on personal prejudice rather than empirical data. Apologies for my irreverence, I guess I should just let sleeping dogmas lie.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

I think people just don't like Keyshawn because he's a douchebag.

We've hated him for years and just because he were to be on the Skins doesn't mean any of us would like him any better (like Dallas fans and TO).

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Adding another receiver to disrupt the schedule Campbell is already on with his current receivers would be bad enough even if it were somebody younger with more of a future ahead of him than Keyshawn.

I also think the height thing is overrated with wideouts.

No thanks.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Beemnseven;305930]Adding another receiver to disrupt the schedule Campbell is already on with his current receivers would be bad enough even if it were somebody younger with more of a future ahead of him than Keyshawn.

I also think the height thing is overrated with wideouts.

No thanks.[/quote]

For what logical reason would you think height is "overrated" for a WR?

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;305930]Adding another receiver to disrupt the schedule Campbell is already on with his current receivers would be bad enough even if it were somebody younger with more of a future ahead of him than Keyshawn.

I also think the height thing is overrated with wideouts.

No thanks.[/QUOTE]

I agree...you get to live to post another day ;)

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;305897]I think people just don't like Keyshawn because he's a douchebag.

We've hated him for years and just because he were to be on the Skins doesn't mean any of us would like him any better (like Dallas fans and TO).[/quote]

I mean he isnt a douchebag anymore. I mean havent you guys noticed his maturation in recent years?