Re: Jason Campbell's development
 

Sounds like JC want to WIN!!!!!!!!!!! Me and a few other posters from the Wash Posts Skins forum were dubbed crazy for wanting to put JC in to begin last season, but if he would have been the starter we would have probably ended up 9-7 and maybe a wildcard. IF this article is on the level, JC is going to be much improved this season and will be hot in '08. One full season in at starter is what he needs. I just hope Llyod can become a viable weapon for JC to throw to and that Randle El improves also. It was too much of the Moss/ Cooley show last season.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;309411]I wanted to point out a couple things:

Has anyone seen the parallel between the running backs on the 'Skins and what JC had at Auburn? I mean, one of the knocks on Campbell coming out of college is that he might have benefited from the RB duo he played with there. Well, now he's got that at the pro level and I think it's a good thing. He knows how to operate and flourish in a two back system.

Also, I think JC is the prototype caretaker QB, but in a good way. I think he could excel at doing a lot of things well, taking care of the ball, making some plays with his feet, and distributing the ball and keeping a lot of players interested/happy. Tom Brady is the uber caretaker IMO. I think JC has the potential to really be a distributer/enabler who can put his teammates in position to win games for us. He's not a world beater type, but I think that can play into our hands in a big way if he really does make strides and develop.

On a side note, does anyone actually think someone would come out after a couple of offseason workouts and OTA's and say Campbell looks bad, that he has regressed, and that he is really slacking off? I mean, we really do have to wait and see how this plays out on the field. He was coming into the park 12 hours a week and he is the starting quarterback of the wealthiest franchise in a multi billion dollar industry. I am sorry, but I don't say "Wow, he really is working his tail off" when you tell me he's working a 12 hour week. That's barely part time where I come from (Washington, DC). However, I think it is best that he worked with Saunders and got really caught up before throwing on his own with Santana and whoever else. Now, he is really in a position to get everyone on the same page if they do go ahead with that plan to work out together after mini camp.

With all that said, I think this could be the year that our offense finally turns the corner. While everyone is so concerned about the D, you have to remember that the defense actually has a pedigree of recent success. The offense has been the enigma that we haven't been able to solve for a long time, and I think it's obvious that JC is the reason this thing will turn around if it does. He doesn't have to be superman, he just needs stay poised, manage the offense, and not be predictable enough to gameplan easily. I think he can do that.[/quote]

During the offseason, especially in March & April, QB's ( and all other positions) don't need to be at the training complex 8 hours a day. Peyton Manning probably has the same schedule. He's on the field for an hour or so working on mechanics and then another three in the classroom, plus he is lifting weights too. So that's plenty of work and I assume it's a little more than 12 hours. He can only do so much. NFL players during the offseason never workout 8 hours a day. If you trained 7-8 hours a day Mon-Fri you would be dead come Sept.

But several guys have said that JC looks much better in his drops and is getting rid of the ball quicker. This is the stuff he most likely works on w/ AS and Lazor during the week. But none of it's going to matter unless he takes in to the field come Sept. I think he will.

Re: Jason Campbell's development
 

[quote=FRPLG;309183]I want to to win this year but I am really more concerned that Campbell plays well. He doesn't need to throw for 4000 and 40 TDs but a solid year with smart decisions and some clutch plays here and there should be the real goal of this team. That is the best long term thing we could get out of this year. At the end of it we KNOW JC is our QB now and going foward and he has shown us that he can be the best QB in the division. JC is what excites me and terrifies me about '07.[/quote]I would argue that we already do know that he's going to be everything we dreamed of any more. Of course, nothing is ever certain until it happens (an injury can still derail Campbells career), but this guy has already shown all the physical, and far more importantly, all the mental tools to be successful. The consistency will come.

He will be the best QB in this division no later than next season, and quite possibly this season. If he can outplay McNabb, we have a shot at being a better team than Philadelphia.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;309521]Sounds like JC want to WIN!!!!!!!!!!! Me and a few other posters from the Wash Posts Skins forum were dubbed crazy for wanting to put JC in to begin last season, but if he would have been the starter we would have probably ended up 9-7 and maybe a wildcard. IF this article is on the level, JC is going to be much improved this season and will be hot in '08. One full season in at starter is what he needs. I just hope Llyod can become a viable weapon for JC to throw to and that Randle El improves also. It was too much of the Moss/ Cooley show last season.[/quote]I don't know about that.

Had we started JC from Week 1, he would have most likely been playing great football at the end of the year, but we wouldn't have won games like Jacksonville and Dallas in the first half of the year. Thinking 9-7 with our defense last year is pretty downright insane. He's not Jesus.

We probably wouldn't have done a lot worse on the whole starting Campbell the whole year but we would have been really pathetic in the first half of last year, and mentally, we aren't sure how that would affect the future of this team.

I'm satisfied with the way our QB situation was handled last year.

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[quote=Bill B;309337]I guess so. I keep harping on Brandon Llyod because he did have the worst stats in the NFL for a #2 but he sure made a lot of money and cost a lot of picks. I know a lot of people on the board say that it was the qb who could not get him the ball and that he was getting open and just running the routes that coaches asked him to run. Well this year there are no more excuses for Llyod. Jason Campbell's arm strength from what I saw and lots of other Skins fans saw is pretty darn good. Add to that the offensive line is 4/5 intact and one of the better lines in the NFL with 2 good rushers, a star WR in Moss and a good TE in Cooley - I just don't see if he has another bad year how anyone can still defend him and still think he should be part of the team.[/quote]I'm not sure why people are defending him after this season, but they are. Never say never--someone will always prove you wrong.

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[quote=GTripp0012;310672]I'm not sure why people are defending him after this season, but they are. Never say never--someone will always prove you wrong.[/quote]

I wouldn't say that I'm a Lloyd defender, but I'm in the camp that thinks he's a lot better than the numbers he put up last year. I went to a couple games last season, and being able to see the entire field rather than what the cameras show you at home gives a different perspective.

I saw Lloyd get decent seperation on several occasions. The problem is he wasn't the first option on most plays. Brunell's reads 90% of the time were first option, then checkdown. Campbell's reads were the same way in his early starts because of inexperience. With Campbell being more comfortable in the offense and having gained some experience, I think B. Lloyd with have a pretty solid season this year.

He's also a very good blocker, which is rare in wide receivers.

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On a completely unrelated note:

[url=http://www.primenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=119650]Redskins' Brandon Lloyd to Help Physically Challenged Teens Learn to Dive[/url]

But anyway, I'm sticking with Lloyd. Maybe I'll get a Brandon Lloyd jersey and walk in the background of the NFL Live set just to piss GTripp off

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[quote=SmootSmack;310691]On a completely unrelated note:

[URL="http://www.primenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=119650"]Redskins' Brandon Lloyd to Help Physically Challenged Teens Learn to Dive[/URL]

But anyway, I'm sticking with Lloyd. Maybe I'll get a Brandon Lloyd jersey and walk in the background of the NFL Live set just to piss GTripp off[/quote]Oh snap.

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i agree with you southpaw, lloyd got very little in the way of first-option looks and should have a better year . .

to me there is nothing more exciting then having a potential franchise quarterback developing right before our eyes. will he be the next peyton, mcnair, mcnabb or just a decent qb like bledsoe, hasselback, plummer????

next year we should have an idea . . go skins!!

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[quote=Southpaw;310679]I wouldn't say that I'm a Lloyd defender, but I'm in the camp that thinks he's a lot better than the numbers he put up last year. I went to a couple games last season, and being able to see the entire field rather than what the cameras show you at home gives a different perspective.

I saw Lloyd get decent seperation on several occasions. The problem is he wasn't the first option on most plays. Brunell's reads 90% of the time were first option, then checkdown. Campbell's reads were the same way in his early starts because of inexperience. With Campbell being more comfortable in the offense and having gained some experience, I think B. Lloyd with have a pretty solid season this year.

He's also a very good blocker, which is rare in wide receivers.[/quote]

I think he is better than the stats show too. But he is going to have to drop the attitude and ball this year. Put up or shut up. I think ARE should be the 2nd wr.

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My only concern with Campbell is that he doesn't have the big receiver who can move the chains. If you look at our receivers they are very small speed guys. I would like us to find a big physical guy to complement Moss. Many of you may say that guy is Cooley. I love Cooley but he isn't the guy that is going to run a 5-8 yard slant from a wide out slot and get your the first down on third down. What do you all think?

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[quote=mmil12;310808]My only concern with Campbell is that he doesn't have the big receiver who can move the chains. If you look at our receivers they are very small speed guys. I would like us to find a big physical guy to complement Moss. Many of you may say that guy is Cooley. I love Cooley but he isn't the guy that is going to run a 5-8 yard slant from a wide out slot and get your the first down on third down. What do you all think?[/quote]


all three of our wide recievers can do that now

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[QUOTE=mmil12;310808]My only concern with Campbell is that he doesn't have the big receiver who can move the chains. If you look at our receivers they are very small speed guys. I would like us to find a big physical guy to complement Moss. Many of you may say that guy is Cooley. I love Cooley but he isn't the guy that is going to run a 5-8 yard slant from a wide out slot and get your the first down on third down. What do you all think?[/QUOTE]

James Thrash

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[quote=mmil12;310808]My only concern with Campbell is that he doesn't have the big receiver who can move the chains. If you look at our receivers they are very small speed guys. I would like us to find a big physical guy to complement Moss. Many of you may say that guy is Cooley. I love Cooley but he isn't the guy that is going to run a 5-8 yard slant from a wide out slot and get your the first down on third down. What do you all think?[/quote]

Could not agree w/ u more on this. We need a guy who is 6'3 or 6'4 who is a possesion wr.

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Wow, if this won't get you geeked about Campbell nothing will:

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10184868"]NFL.com - NFL News[/URL]

[B]A CAMPBELL SPECIAL[/B]

At this time of year, during organized team activities, many players are said to look good.

But Washington quarterback Jason Campbell is said to look especially good.

After two years in the league as an understudy, and four hours each day this winter and spring in Washington's training facility simply studying, Campbell is said to look like a different quarterback, Redskins officials said this week.

One observer even predicted, boldly, that Campbell would go to the Pro Bowl this season.

Of course it's a long way from Washington in May to Hawaii in February, but Campbell has demonstrated improved technique, understanding and confidence. And after a week of OTA's, he has been the most talked about player in the Redskins organization.

"It's unanimous from everybody," one Redskins official said this week. "You can definitely see it. He's like a totally different quarterback. The receivers have been like, 'Wow.' "

Much of the credit belongs to Washington offensive coordinator Al Saunders and quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor, who have poured their energies and time into Campbell's offseason training.

But Campbell also has recognized that the Redskins need him to step up in a way that Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell and every other Washington quarterback in recent seasons hasn't.

So far he has. But the key will be whether he will continue it in training camp and then into the regular season.

[IMG]http://images.nfl.com/photos/img9517137.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Mattyk72;310836]Wow, if this won't get you geeked about Campbell nothing will:

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10184868"]NFL.com - NFL News[/URL]

[B]A CAMPBELL SPECIAL[/B]

At this time of year, during organized team activities, many players are said to look good.

But Washington quarterback Jason Campbell is said to look especially good.

After two years in the league as an understudy, and four hours each day this winter and spring in Washington's training facility simply studying, Campbell is said to look like a different quarterback, Redskins officials said this week.

One observer even predicted, boldly, that Campbell would go to the Pro Bowl this season.

Of course it's a long way from Washington in May to Hawaii in February, but Campbell has demonstrated improved technique, understanding and confidence. And after a week of OTA's, he has been the most talked about player in the Redskins organization.

"It's unanimous from everybody," one Redskins official said this week. "You can definitely see it. He's like a totally different quarterback. The receivers have been like, 'Wow.' "

Much of the credit belongs to Washington offensive coordinator Al Saunders and quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor, who have poured their energies and time into Campbell's offseason training.

But Campbell also has recognized that the Redskins need him to step up in a way that Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell and every other Washington quarterback in recent seasons hasn't.

So far he has. But the key will be whether he will continue it in training camp and then into the regular season.

[IMG]http://images.nfl.com/photos/img9517137.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I love JC, and I think that he is our future. While it is nice to hear all of these great things about him this offseason, I still cannot help but realize that they are still in underwear and helmets right now. I will get excited when I see the same things in game situations.

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You're gonna give me wet dreams with that article, Matty.

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[quote=skinsfan69;310817]Could not agree w/ u more on this. We need a guy who is 6'3 or 6'4 who is a possesion wr.[/quote] Well, we dont have one, we are not going to get one and we will be fine without one.

The problem with possession receivers is that they have no versitility or added value on special teams. Gibbs likes football players, not position players.

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Count me among the geeked.

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The O needs to run the ball to make JC a success at QB

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[quote=LMsexyAO;310839]You're gonna give me wet dreams with that article, Matty.[/quote]


ok anywayz..........................................................

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[quote=skinsfan69;310817]Could not agree w/ u more on this. We need a guy who is 6'3 or 6'4 who is a possesion wr.[/quote]


no we really dont NEED that at all i mean it couldnt hurt or could it in 2005 we didnt have that what we need to bring back are those screen passes that were so efective for santana and use them for antwaan and brandon that is what we need we dont nned a 6'3 or 6'4 reciever the steelers didnt have that when they won the super bowl and neither did the pats

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i don't understand why people get so enamored with height. the redskins have 3 legitimate nfl starting receivers right now. when is the last time you could say that about this team? the posse?

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[quote=dmek25;310860]i don't understand why people get so enamored with height. the redskins have 3 legitimate nfl starting receivers right now. when is the last time you could say that about this team? the posse?[/quote]


that is what i have been trying to say

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[quote=Mattyk72;310836]Wow, if this won't get you geeked about Campbell nothing will:

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10184868"]NFL.com - NFL News[/URL]

[B]A CAMPBELL SPECIAL[/B]

At this time of year, during organized team activities, many players are said to look good.

But Washington quarterback Jason Campbell is said to look especially good.

After two years in the league as an understudy, and four hours each day this winter and spring in Washington's training facility simply studying, Campbell is said to look like a different quarterback, Redskins officials said this week.

One observer even predicted, boldly, that Campbell would go to the Pro Bowl this season.

Of course it's a long way from Washington in May to Hawaii in February, but Campbell has demonstrated improved technique, understanding and confidence. And after a week of OTA's, he has been the most talked about player in the Redskins organization.

"It's unanimous from everybody," one Redskins official said this week. "You can definitely see it. He's like a totally different quarterback. The receivers have been like, 'Wow.' "

Much of the credit belongs to Washington offensive coordinator Al Saunders and quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor, who have poured their energies and time into Campbell's offseason training.

But Campbell also has recognized that the Redskins need him to step up in a way that Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell and every other Washington quarterback in recent seasons hasn't.

So far he has. But the key will be whether he will continue it in training camp and then into the regular season.

[IMG]http://images.nfl.com/photos/img9517137.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Oh baby...

I'm beginning to salivate. Nothing impacts this game like a stud QB.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;310856]no we really dont NEED that at all i mean it couldnt hurt or could it in 2005 we didnt have that what we need to bring back are those screen passes that were so efective for santana and use them for antwaan and brandon that is what we need we dont nned a 6'3 or 6'4 reciever the steelers didnt have that when they won the super bowl and neither did the pats[/quote]

Well, the Steelers had a really really good defense. We don't. Pats have Tom Brady and a really really good defense. We don't.

The opposing defensive coordinators have caught on to that screen pass. It didn't work at all last year. Teams were waiting for it.

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Wow, Where's my damn bandwagon when I got some jumpin' to do?

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[quote=dmek25;310860]i don't understand why people get so enamored with height. the redskins have 3 legitimate nfl starting receivers right now. when is the last time you could say that about this team? the posse?[/quote]


I have to go back again and dispute that Brandon Lloyd is a legitimate WR - I have posted the link to his stats for the past 4 years and I just can't see why people are enamored with the guy. If your best year was 48 receptions for 733 yds I would not call that stellar or legitimate - espescially in today's pass happy nfl. Overall he is averageing 32 receptions, 469 yds and 3.25 TD's a year - the numbers speak for themselves and if you were a GM would you honestly pick up a guy with these numbers to be your number 2 WR? Just think how much more dangerous Moss would be if he was not double covered as often as he is if we had a legitimate #2.

Blame it on the qb, blame it on the team, blame it on the system, blame it on everything else but the player - that is what a Brandon Lloyd defender does.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396021"]NFL.com - Brandon Lloyd[/URL]

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[quote=Mattyk72;310836]Wow, if this won't get you geeked about Campbell nothing will:[/quote]

I usually don't buy into the offseason hype, but reading that just got me all hot and bothered...

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[quote=dmek25;310860]i don't understand why people get so enamored with height. the redskins have 3 legitimate nfl starting receivers right now. when is the last time you could say that about this team? the posse?[/quote]

I could not disagree with you more. The Posse one year, I believe it was 89 all went over 1,000 yards. Monk is a HOFer. Clark is just below Monk. Sanders went off on Denver in the SB. All three of these guys have done in at the highest level. I don't think Lloyd and ARE have even gotten close to having 1,000 seasons. So there is no way you can put any of these guys, including Moss, in the league of the Posse. Again you are talking about one HOFer and in Clark a guy who is just below Monk. and if you ask many coaches who played against the SKins in that era Clark was the guy who teams feared most.

We have one legit NFL wr. The others, so far, have not proved to be legit NFL wr's. They certainly have the potential but they have to do it on the field on a consistent basis. If Moss can stay healthy the next few years I think he can be just as good as Clark. But he is not there yet.

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[quote=DGreen28;310852]The O needs to run the ball to make JC a success at QB[/quote]

Well we may need to run the ball but this is not the 80's and early 90's. We are not going to be able to just run it down everyone's throat. W/out question we are going to need to improve our passing game. I can't remember the last time we had a 300 yard passing game. In some games the running game is not going to work and this is when you need to be able to lean on your QB.

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Thats it....my next jersey is #17 Jason Campbell. The kid is gonna be good for a loooong time.

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Okay honestly I think this guy is going to be really good. This could very well just be the homer in me but I just looked at the higlight film from 2006 and what he showed last year after coming off the bench to start got me to thinking. Everyone talks about how much he has improved from last year, he has legs, not Vick like but faster than anyone we've had in quite a while. The poise he showed in the pocket with pressure in his face was beautiful. One of the clips showed parts of the Giants game and he seemed very comfortable then tucking the ball when he needed to. Sorry, the articles that have been written about his offseason work and how he has improved just have me geared up for the season. I can't wait for him to show what he can do so I can shut these bastards at work up !

HAIL !

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[quote=Bill B;310873]I have to go back again and dispute that Brandon Lloyd is a legitimate WR - I have posted the link to his stats for the past 4 years and I just can't see why people are enamored with the guy. If your best year was 48 receptions for 733 yds I would not call that stellar or legitimate - espescially in today's pass happy nfl. Overall he is averageing 32 receptions, 469 yds and 3.25 TD's a year - the numbers speak for themselves and if you were a GM would you honestly pick up a guy with these numbers to be your number 2 WR? Just think how much more dangerous Moss would be if he was not double covered as often as he is if we had a legitimate #2.

Blame it on the qb, blame it on the team, blame it on the system, blame it on everything else but the player - that is what a Brandon Lloyd defender does.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396021"]NFL.com - Brandon Lloyd[/URL][/quote]


Basically we gave this guy a boatload of money because of a few highlight catches.

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[quote=dmek25;310860]i don't understand why people get so enamored with height. the redskins have 3 legitimate nfl starting receivers right now. when is the last time you could say that about this team? the posse?[/quote]I agree with you dmek, sort of. Height may be the most overrated characteristic in a receiver. Since a majority of a guy's value comes from after the catch play, being big and slow doesn't make you a very valuable target. Pretty much any receiver worth his salt can run to the sticks, and make a third down catch in traffic. Cooley does this better than maybe any TE in the league and Moss does it pretty well also.

However, saying we have 3 legitmate NFL starting receivers is only correct if its true for all teams. Every team in the league has at least two recievers as good as Antwaan Randle El. Does that mean we need more help at WR? Not really. We have Moss and Cooley and some very talented pass catching backs. We have enough weapons presuming we don't overvalue Randle El and Lloyd and have our offense suffer because of it. They are NFL caliber targets who can catch a pass if the playcall gets them open. But they should not be the focus of our offense when we have talent like Moss, Cooley, Betts, and Portis around.

I think you are guilty of undervaluing our role players just a tad, but I completely agree that we have everything we need for the passing game to be successful. If the guys we have now can't get into the top ten, it's time to start looking at the line, and the playcalling.

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I hate to comment to early...but this kid looks like the real deal. I think we have our QB of the future right now!

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Campbell has the tools...he got his time in last year to learn the offense at game speed. This year I feel he will be a step ahead and a ponding/clock chewing running game (provided we stay healthy) sound help him mature even more and open up that passing game!!

Re: Jason Campbell's development
 

[quote=Mattyk72;310836]Wow, if this won't get you geeked about Campbell nothing will:

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10184868"]NFL.com - NFL News[/URL]

[B]A CAMPBELL SPECIAL[/B]

At this time of year, during organized team activities, many players are said to look good.

But Washington quarterback Jason Campbell is said to look especially good.

After two years in the league as an understudy, and four hours each day this winter and spring in Washington's training facility simply studying, Campbell is said to look like a different quarterback, Redskins officials said this week.

One observer even predicted, boldly, that Campbell would go to the Pro Bowl this season.

Of course it's a long way from Washington in May to Hawaii in February, but Campbell has demonstrated improved technique, understanding and confidence. And after a week of OTA's, he has been the most talked about player in the Redskins organization.

"It's unanimous from everybody," one Redskins official said this week. "You can definitely see it. He's like a totally different quarterback. The receivers have been like, 'Wow.' "

Much of the credit belongs to Washington offensive coordinator Al Saunders and quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor, who have poured their energies and time into Campbell's offseason training.

But Campbell also has recognized that the Redskins need him to step up in a way that Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell and every other Washington quarterback in recent seasons hasn't.

So far he has. But the key will be whether he will continue it in training camp and then into the regular season.

[IMG]http://images.nfl.com/photos/img9517137.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
Thats about the same stuff that they had on the NFL network last night. Not sure of the guys name but he was saying that his drop back and release is so much quicker and smother than last year its lkie another QB out there. Now if he can keep this up and produce # on Sundays we could be looking at a long term fix which we have been looking for. I will not buy the hype until I see him play when it counts on Sundays.

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[quote=cbdskins4ever;310895]Campbell has the tools...he got his time in last year to learn the offense at game speed. This year I feel he will be a step ahead and a ponding/clock chewing running game (provided we stay healthy) sound help him mature even more and open up that passing game!![/quote]


dont know if i can say this yet but welcome to the board

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i got a man crush on campbell, i think he has a chance to be great but im surprised noone has talked about the glitch in his delivery, he seems to hold to ball low so when he wants to throw it he has to bring his arm significantly back before it can start to move forward . . . ive compared his throwing motion to peyton and others and he does hold the ball low causing vital split seconds to be lost in bringing the ball back and up . .

i know there has been a few WP articles about it too . .

go skins!