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[quote=skinsfan_nn;311507]Just look at the sourse.....it's PFT......Junk Yard Trash![/quote]

The link in the very first post is the actual interview from WAVY 10. I watched it and there is no denying his comments.

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Portis has the same [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfmemOdC4U"]sick mentality as Camron[/URL]. It is unfortunate that some people don't get the big picture and Portis definitely doesn't get the big picture. This mind your business mentality prevalent in the African American community makes me sick.

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[quote=saden1;311523]Portis has the same [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfmemOdC4U"]sick mentality as Camron[/URL]. It is unfortunate that some people don't get the big picture and Portis definitely doesn't get the big picture. This mind your business mentality prevalent in the African American community makes me sick.[/quote]

huh? where did that come from?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;311522]The link in the very first post is the actual interview from WAVY 10. I watched it and there is no denying his comments.[/quote]


I came in on this thread rather late, just caught the PFT, usually CRAP!

I live in the WAVY ZONE and didn't catch that, however if he did make those comments, he's a fool! Typical, CP big mouth.

This is a sensitive issue, CP has been know to open mouth and insert foot. Shame on him if he made these remarks!

IMO, being an animal lover, this dog fighting CRAP is for TARDS only PERIOD.......THE END!

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;311525]huh? where did that come from?[/QUOTE]

Huh what? What part of my post isn't clear?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;311519]If he made the comments, he made the comments. What does the source matter?[/quote]


Well let me think, hum. Pretty simple, some sources are reliable and some are not.
PFT is JUNK!

It sounds like he possibly made the comments on WAVY 10, they are not junk and if that was said. Shame on him.

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Who cares..

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;311528]Well let me think, hum. Pretty simple, some sources are reliable and some are not.
PFT is JUNK!

It sounds like he possibly made the comments on WAVY 10, they are not junk and if that was said. Shame on him.[/quote]


man i really just dont care about portis and what he says only what he does on the field

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[quote=hesscl34;311532]Who cares..[/quote]


i don't...................

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[quote=GMScud;311412]He likes to goof around with the media, but I don't think he was kidding about this. Dammit Clinton. This isn't a joke. Vick is on the verge of being in deep, felony shit. And having our star tailback back him up, joking or not, is bad news. Man, my best friend is a dog lover and Skins hater. I'm never gonna hear the end of this....[/quote]

Yeah because the system makes an example of athletes all the time...

Vick won't spend one hour behind bars. He may get suspended but there would have to be some extremely strong evidence for that and I am not talking about some clown saying, "Yeah, I saw him there his dog tore up my dog". Wouldn't the person who would be pointing him out be breaking the law themselves?

Clinton keeps it real and says funny/stupid things all the time. I wouldn't give his comments a second look.

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Vick will pay a hefty fine at worst. It is dog fighting for god's sake. The NFL or the powers that be will not let the Falcons #1 draw and money producer to go behind bars for fighting dogs in his basement. Too much potential lost revenue if Vick is not on the field. Only folks that should really be pissed are PETA and some other animal rights folks. CP was Bsing and playing with the press.

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[quote]Only folks that should really be pissed are PETA and some other animal rights folks. CP was Bsing and playing with the press.[/quote]

Luckily PETA hasn't chimed in on this issue. I'm a huge animal lover and hate PETA, they go about everything the wrong way. However, the humane society has asked Goodell to ban Vick for life if this is true.

Dog fighting is a FELONY punishable by five years in prison and a 2500 dollar fine for a reason.

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[quote=Oakland Red;311413]The first and main thing that I think Clinton was doing is taking the chance, since he was in the Virginia Beach area, to defend a fellow football player who is from that area, and who has been much maligned.

What the PFW article does is insinuate in libelous fashion that Portis might have participated in such events in the past, and purposefully tries to stir up hostility against him. The article is a crock; yellow journalism.

As far as dog fighting, to me there is a cultural divide here. Dog fights may well be common in the rural South as Clinton says. People may view them as a tolerated norm. They aren't good, but I can see how if you grow up with them that you could be desensitized to seeing them as a bad thing.

I recently saw a movie about slaughterhouses and I can say that what the meat industry, and also what the dairy and chicken industries, do to animals is not a good thing either. I'm not a fan of what boxing, ultimate fighting or a lot of things do to people either.

I think it's good that there is this public discussion going on about the issue, because it will cause people to reflect and hopefully reconsider participating in this practice.

It's no big deal to me at all and I don't think any less of Clinton just because he thinks something that differs from me. He doesn't participate in these kind of events himself.

I think we all are best when we recognize that there are different cultural norms and try to tolerate each other's views and work toward common ground.[/quote]
I'm with you. Mike Vick is not a bad guy. Portis surely is not. Defending something that is a controversy will raise eyebrows.

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[quote=Longtimefan;311491]Guys, may want to excuse me for being so sensitive on this subject, but just sixteen month's ago one of my dogs was viciously attacked and mutilated by by an out of control Pit bull Terrier. Vet bill was enormous, three different court appearances to recover expences for untold suffering to the animal. I share no sympathy for anyone involved in what Vick is being acused, or for anyone who condone it.[/quote]

I grew up with dogs all my life and love them dearly. I will say that I will not have a situation like this though. With only 3 Vet school in the USA and as difficult as it is to get into I find it still obsurd that the prices for Vet care are as bad a humans. Thats what pisses me off. Animals are Animals not Humans or children for people who can't have children. Adopt. You could have spent $50. for the dog to be put down. Sued the other owner. and purchased a new dog for less I bet.

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Money makes people greedy. I'm sure someone showed Vick how much money is floating around the dog fighting scene and he wanted to get his money. Either that or he truely is ignorant and his cousin should be getting a beatin soon.

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Dog fighting isn't squat? Remember Ray Lewis and that guy that he or a friend capped. Ray either knew who did it or capped the guy himself and got nothing but a slap on the wrist, if that. Sorry guys, I know dog fighting is nasty and illegal, but if the NFL and the US Judicial system let Ray Lewis(then MR. Superbowl) off for murder or obstruction of justice, why do you think it will nail Vick? Money is the bottom line with everything, but then again Vick's star has been falling for the past two seasons, so they might not give a crap and let him get his comuppance. I still say Vick will get probabtion and have to do some stuff for the Humane Society or PETA, and maybe a stiff fine. I don't see him going down for dog fighting. It all depends if the Falcons, the NFL, and the powers that be decide if Vick going to jail is going to hurt their bottom line.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;311628]Dog fighting isn't squat? Remember Ray Lewis and that guy that he or a friend capped. Ray either knew who did it or capped the guy himself and got nothing but a slap on the wrist, if that. Sorry guys, I know dog fighting is nasty and illegal, but if the NFL and the US Judicial system let Ray Lewis(then MR. Superbowl) off for murder or obstruction of justice, why do you think it will nail Vick? Money is the bottom line with everything, but then again Vick's star has been falling for the past two seasons, so they might not give a crap and let him get his comuppance. I still say Vick will get probabtion and have to do some stuff for the Humane Society or PETA, and maybe a stiff fine. I don't see him going down for dog fighting. It all depends if the Falcons, the NFL, and the powers that be decide if Vick going to jail is going to hurt their bottom line.[/quote]

Don't know how all this will play out, damn shame he won't get treated like normal folks. The money part is true, money talks.

One thing is for sure he's not on the HAPPY list in Atlanta with ownership or the fan base. We also, have a new COMMISH! Ready to crack down on the fools in the league with no regard for the law!

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;311535]Clinton keeps it real and says funny/stupid things all the time. I wouldn't give his comments a second look.[/quote]

Nothing that Portis said here was funny......nothing.

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[quote=EXoffender;311600]Mike Vick is not a bad guy. [/quote]

Hmmm, really? Being implicated in a large scale dog fighting operation, intentionally giving an STD to someone, and flipping off kids at the end of a game in your own home stadium........what exactly does someone have to do to be considered a bad guy? Michael Vick is a piece of garbage, pure and simple.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;311643]Nothing that Portis said here was funny......nothing.[/quote]

So Portis isn't bashing Vick for his alleged knowledge of dog fighting... who the hell cares?! Portis grew up in an area where he witnessed dog fighting from a young age, and it was apparently accepted in the community. What is he supposed to say? He doesn't care that Vick might be involved in dog fighting, but he should lie and say that he does care?

This issue is not as cut and dry as some people want to make it out to be. I'm a dog lover myself, but I personally don't care that a bunch of nasty, trained killing machines are fighting each other. I guess that makes me a bad person for not piling on the Michael Vick bash wagon.

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CP really should have kept his thoughts to himself on this one. Nothing positive can come from his comments. Nothing.

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I must admit, I have been angling several different arguements to rebutt the negative sentiment for CP's comments....................I can't..BIG mistake on his part.

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[quote=angryssg;311425]Look, who gives a shit if ther are dog fighting rings. There are human fighting rings too. Most people refer to it as boxing. But, there are many other hand to hand sports that go to the death that are not illegal. Who is it to say that it is wright or wrong. Iyou stop dog fighting, then you have to stop boxing. Are we not more important than the animals?

Alot of people would rebute that animals being raised and trained to fight is inhumane What about the peolpe that were brought up on fighting? Is that humane? The point that I am trying to put across is that you cannot say that it is ok for a person to compete in a fight while it is not ok for any other animal. If they want to criminalize dog fighting, then human fighting should be just as illegal.

I do not like boxing or any other martial art, nor am I an animal lover. I just believe that what is fair, is fair across the board.[/quote]

Three problems here.

1. Fighting dogs can get loose and hurt or kills humans. How many times has this happened?

2. According to the police report, all of the dogs were were not being treated very well. They were not being fed. So that's f--ked up.

3. If you were Arthur Blank would you want the face of your organization involved in this?

The bottom line is many people are dog owners and look at this and simply are repulsed. And I bet many of those people are Falcon season ticket holders that help pay Mick Vick's huge salary. So CP and yourself may not think it's a big deal but the majority of the public does.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;311646]Hmmm, really? Being implicated in a large scale dog fighting operation, intentionally giving an STD to someone, and flipping off kids at the end of a game in your own home stadium........what exactly does someone have to do to be considered a bad guy? Michael Vick is a piece of garbage, pure and simple.[/quote]

Agreed 100%. And I have definitely lost respect for Portis. If Portis wanted to defend Vick from the media, he could have taken the route Chris Samuels did and basically say that people should reserve judgement until all the facts come out and the legal proceedings are done.

Again for those of you who don't care about dogfighting, it is a FELONY for a reason. It is extremely creul and inhumane.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;311669]Again for those of you who don't care about dogfighting, it is a FELONY for a reason. It is extremely creul and inhumane.[/quote]

If the issue is as cut and dry as a criminal act, then I'd estimate about 90% of Warpath members are "horrible people". I know it's impossible for some people to see the grey area with this issue, but if you come from a community where this type of activity is prevalent, you'll probably be more accepting of it than a kid from the northern suberbs.

And it's not like they're making labs and poodles fight to the death. Pit bulls have been bred to fight and kill animals for hundreds of years. I have a friend that owns a non fighting Pit that seems nice, just like any other dog, but if you look at it the wrong way or stutter step when you walk by it, it turns into a friggin monster. What's the purpose of owning a "pet" like that?

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[quote=skinsfan69;311668]Three problems here.

1. Fighting dogs can get loose and hurt or kills humans. How many times has this happened?

2. According to the police report, all of the dogs were were not being treated very well. They were not being fed. So that's f--ked up.

3. If your Arthur Blank would you want the face of your organization involved in this?

The bottom line is many people are dog owners and look at this and simply are repulsed. And I bet many of those people are Falcon season ticket holders that help pay Mick Vick's huge salary. So CP and yourself may not think it's a big deal but the majority of the public does.[/quote]

I think a lot of people are missing the point re: anti-dog fighting. And before you start in, I am not a big dog fan and I consider them the same as all domesticated animals...useful to humans, but not equivalent. Animals shouldn't be abused, but I am not going to shed a tear when they die or are killed for whatever reason.

That said, the single biggest problem with breeding and fighting dogs is not the gambling or the animal abuse (both are bad, but don't harm anyone other than the people and animals directly involved). The reason this acitivity is illegal is that you are introducing viscous, genetically manipulated killing machines in and around people. Any animal that is bred and trained to kill other animals is a direct threat to humans, particularly children.

When I was in 3rd grade I watched a 10 year old kid in my neighborhood get his face torn off by a loose german shepard that had been trained to be a fighter. You CANNOT have these animals in close proximity to people, just as you can't own a tiger, lion, wolf, or any other large predator without specialized permits. Anyone who keeps these animals should be prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows for endangering society in general, and that include Vick for allowing it to happen on his property.

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does anyone really value Clinton Portis' opinion? i like and respect this guy as a football player period. could give a rats ass on his social opinions

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[quote=Mattyk72;311663]CP really should have kept his thoughts to himself on this one. Nothing positive can come from his comments. Nothing.[/quote]


Well put! BAD MOVE...I caught the interview, he made a complete FOOL outta himself!

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Link to the interview: Local reaction not good.

[url=http://www.wavy.com/Global/category.asp?C=2396&nav=menu45_1]WAVY TV 10 - News, Weather, Traffic, Sports for Hampton Roads, Virginia - North Eastern North Carolina - Home[/url]

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[quote=Southpaw;311660]So Portis isn't bashing Vick for his alleged knowledge of dog fighting... who the hell cares?! Portis grew up in an area where he witnessed dog fighting from a young age, and it was apparently accepted in the community. What is he supposed to say? He doesn't care that Vick might be involved in dog fighting, but he should lie and say that he does care?[/quote]

First of all, the issue is not that Portis chose not to bash Vick........he actually came to his defense and said that even if he was engaged in this illegal felonious activity, he doesn't see it as a big deal and people should mind their own business.

Second, growing up in an area where you witness a particular illegal activity being prevalent does not make the illegal activity any less illegal or the behavior any less disgusting. By your reasoning, it would be appropriate to support a white supremacist's actions because you grew up in an area where everyone was a member of the kkk. Or, it would be appropriate to condone Michael Irvin's use of crack/cocaine because where you grew up there was a crack whore on every corner. After all, shouldn't we just turn a blind eye to criminals and "mind our own business?" The position is preposterous.

Third, regarding the question of what should he say?: Nothing, would be a good start. "No comment" comes to mind. "I'm reserving judgment" would be ok with me. Pretty much anything except for, "big deal, so someone is treating animals with inhuman (in every sense of that word) and unadulterated cruelty......so what if it's a felony......so some dogs are being tortured and killed.........so what if the community is being put at risk........mind your own business and let's let the criminals in our society do what they want." Plain and simple, Portis's statements were stupid and ill-advised.

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WTF.....I was at the Saturday night Lions V. Christians game. I grew up with it. Sooo, what's the big deal?
Pity the Christians.....Lions always get their ass!

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The real issue is that we don't (unless more has come out that I am unaware of) have any connection between Vick and the dog fighting. There are rumors of a video, but so far as I know we haven't seen it or know if it really exists. Vick has not been convicted of anything, if he is indicted it is probably because the prosecutor wants publicity. Everyone is just jumping on Vick because he is a public figure and has done some things to draw the ire of some people (i.e. flipping the bird), but nothing illegal (no drugs were ever found in the 'water bottle'). I THINK the point Clinton was making was that it is ridiculous to indict someone for something that we don't even know that they were involved in.

Clinton being Clinton took it a bit farther. A foolish thing to say? Yes. Was Clinton wrong in what he said? Certainly. Why it matter or why everyone now wants to jump on CP? I have no idea.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;311686]Second, growing up in an area where you witness a particular illegal activity being prevalent does not make the illegal activity any less illegal or the behavior any less disgusting. By your reasoning, it would be appropriate to support a white supremacist's actions because you grew up in an area where everyone was a member of the kkk. Or, it would be appropriate to condone Michael Irvin's use of crack/cocaine because where you grew up there was a crack whore on every corner. After all, shouldn't we just turn a blind eye to criminals and "mind our own business?" The position is preposterous.[/quote]

Whether you want to believe it or not, the majority of people that grow up in areas where racism is an accepted norm are generally racist themselves or have a much higher tolerance for it than most people. And poor or unethical treatment of human beings is not even close to the same thing as poor treatment of pit bulls, no matter how much some of you try to relate the two.

The Michael Irvin issue is a completely different ballpark. The only people effected by his cocaine use is himself and his family. Why would I, or anyone else have anything to say about it?

Anyway, I agree with dmek. Why do Clinton Portis' social opinions matter? He's not an elected official or a law enforcement officer. He's a damn football player. His opinions don't mean dick. And I'm still not convinced the original issue isn't being blown out of proportion more than normal because Michael Vick is the culpret.

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[quote=Southpaw;311691]

[b]Anyway, I agree with dmek. Why do Clinton Portis' social opinions matter? He's not an elected official or a law enforcement officer. He's a damn football player. And I'm still not convinced the original issue isn't being blown out of proportion more than normal because Michael Vick is the culpret.[/b][/quote]

Exactly.

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Portis did a STUPID thing. backing Vick. Who said you have to be a genius to be a good back?

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;311686]First of all, the issue is not that Portis chose not to bash Vick........he actually came to his defense and said that even if he was engaged in this illegal felonious activity, he doesn't see it as a big deal and people should mind their own business.

Second, growing up in an area where you witness a particular illegal activity being prevalent does not make the illegal activity any less illegal or the behavior any less disgusting. By your reasoning, it would be appropriate to support a white supremacist's actions because you grew up in an area where everyone was a member of the kkk. Or, it would be appropriate to condone Michael Irvin's use of crack/cocaine because where you grew up there was a crack whore on every corner. After all, shouldn't we just turn a blind eye to criminals and "mind our own business?" The position is preposterous.

Third, regarding the question of what should he say?: Nothing, would be a good start. "No comment" comes to mind. "I'm reserving judgment" would be ok with me. Pretty much anything except for, "big deal, so someone is treating animals with inhuman (in every sense of that word) and unadulterated cruelty......so what if it's a felony......so some dogs are being tortured and killed.........so what if the community is being put at risk........mind your own business and let's let the criminals in our society do what they want." Plain and simple, Portis's statements were stupid and ill-advised.[/QUOTE]


Very well put PSUSkinsFan, could not have been expressed any better. Who cares? There are many, many people who care, and they also consider it their business when a felony is being committed. Where one grew up is a poor excuse to use as justification for being able to understand why one would be associated with such behavior. To speak of Michael Vick in any sentence with the words "role model" is disgusting within itself.

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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I love animals especially dogs. Is dog fighting really that bad? Isnt that why those types of dogs were breed for in the first place. Other then being illegal there is nothing really wrong with it. Don’t get me wrong, braking the law is bad but who hanst speed before or driven their car with a expired drivers license or safety inspection – even if just to get to the DMV to renew it. [/FONT][/SIZE]

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[quote=mlmpetert;311707][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I love animals especially dogs. Is dog fighting really that bad? Isnt that why those types of dogs were breed for in the first place. Other then being illegal there is nothing really wrong with it. Don’t get me wrong, braking the law is bad but who hanst speed before or driven their car with a expired drivers license or safety inspection – even if just to get to the DMV to renew it. [/FONT][/SIZE][/quote]


yes it is that bad the way they do it if you loved dogs you would understand that

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[QUOTE=mlmpetert;311707][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I love animals especially dogs. Is dog fighting really that bad? Isnt that why those types of dogs were breed for in the first place. Other then being illegal there is nothing really wrong with it. Don’t get me wrong, braking the law is bad but who hanst speed before or driven their car with a expired drivers license or safety inspection – even if just to get to the DMV to renew it. [/FONT][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

These dogs aren't putting on tiny boxing gloves aqnd sparring for a few rounds, they're forcing them to kill one another.
That's the same as driving 5 miles over the speed limit to you?

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;311713]These digs aren't putting on tiny boxing gloves aqnd sparring for a few rounds, they're forcing them to kill one another.
That's the same as driving 5 miles over the speed limit to you?[/quote]

It's closer than you'd think. Around 35% of auto accident fatalities are caused by driving over the speed limit, which means an average of 14,000 people a year are killed because they, or the other driver was speeding. So my question to the people that are pretending this is only an issue of legality; what's worse? A couple of pit bulls fighting, or you putting your own life, and potentially the lives of a random soccer mom with three kids in the car at risk by speeding?

EDIT: I guess if you're a dog lover, I can understand your gripe with the dog fighting issue, but I don't buy the argument of the people claiming this is strictly a cut and dry legal issue.