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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;317133]I don't get why all you SKins fans care about ROY anyway. Vince Young will be stuck on a crappy team at least til his contract expires, and by then he might be a bust already. Those running QB's don't get to the promised land, just look at Donovan and Vick for proof of that. Donovan can get to the big dance, but then he chokes. Vick is just plain awful. You will only see pure passing Qb's win the big dance as they do not tend to hesitate as much as the running Qb's.[/QUOTE]

You realize that you are setting yourself up for a Gus Frerotte joke right? Something like, pure passing qb's don't hesitate to headbutt walls.

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[quote=djnemo65;317144]You realize that you are setting yourself up for a Gus Frerotte joke right? Something like, pure passing qb's don't hesitate to headbutt walls.[/quote]

hahahaaa

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as long as norm chow remains as OC in Tennessee, he'll find ways to make VY successful.

and MJD is no barry clone... he's known as a pinball, bouncing off of guys and rolling straight ahead. Bush is the only one who comes close to Barry's cutting ability- maybe even more.

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[quote=jsarno;317120]Cause of [B]ALL[/B] the publicity he has gotten, he didn't deserve it in my opinion. He is a horrible QB in the same mold as Vick.
That being said, what about VY makes you want to defend him? Are you a Texas fan or something? For as vocal as I have been that he is overrated, you've been about as vocal opposing that stance.[/quote]

Actually I don't see any need to defend him, he won ROY... end of story.

I just don't know why we need multiple threads bashing Young.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;317187]Actually I don't see any need to defend him, he won ROY... end of story.

I just don't know why we need multiple threads bashing Young.[/QUOTE]

The only other thread is overrated thread...and that was brought up after several others were brought up...and it was the link that suggested it.

I will also say, if it can produce banter, then who cares and why not?

If you truely believe that it's end of story, then why keep replying to someone that points out Young's glaring inadaquacies?

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Actually, I thought it should have gone to Marques Colston. :D

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[quote=Buster;317309]Actually, I thought it should have gone to Marques Colston. :D[/quote]

I can see him over Jones-Drew.

RB is one of the easiest positions for rookies. QB and WR are much hard to adjust to so quickly.

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Plus, Colston killed in fantasy football for me on all of my teams. :D

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[QUOTE=Buster;317309]Actually, I thought it should have gone to Marques Colston. :D[/QUOTE]


I could agree with that, except that Colston completey died at the end of the season.

He caught only 16 balls for 169 yards and 1 td in his last 5 games. That's an average of only 3.2 catches a game and 33.8 yards per game. So when the going got tough, Colston disappeared.

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For my money, Vince Young deserved it hands down.

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[quote=jsarno;317351]I could agree with that, except that Colston completey died at the end of the season.

He caught only 16 balls for 169 yards and 1 td in his last 5 games. That's an average of only 3.2 catches a game and 33.8 yards per game. So when the going got tough, Colston disappeared.[/quote]

In November, he had a hamstring (or similar) injury and missed three games and another in the final week, so that hurt his stats, but really, when hw was on the field, he performed well. Hey, Vince Young didn't play in every game either...he was behind KERRY COLLINS on the depth chart (who had JUST been signed) to start the year! :D

He had 7 catches for 84 yards against us in Week 15 and scored a TD in Week 16.


1038 yards and 8 TDs is good for any receiver, let alone an unknown rookie from Hostra who started the year behind Joe Horn on the depth chart.

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[quote=Mattyk72;317330]I can see him over Jones-Drew.

RB is one of the easiest positions for rookies. QB and WR are much hard to adjust to so quickly.[/quote]This is a good point, but while I agree that QB and WR are two of the toughest positions to adjust to on the field from college to the NFL, receivers who are young and struggling to adapt can still put up yardage numbers if they get enough PT and the QB throws them enough passes.

Here's what I'm saying: We've seen enough of Jones-Drew to be reasonably sure he's going to be a great runner in this league. We haven't seen Colston do anything that most other receiver couldnt do with ample oppertunities. Thus the conclusion is that we don't know if Colston is ever going to be anything more than a glorified slot receiver.

We'll know more after this season.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;317374]

We'll know more after this season.[/QUOTE]

I agree...especially with Horn gone.

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[quote=jsarno;317351]I could agree with that, except that Colston completey died at the end of the season.

He caught only 16 balls for 169 yards and 1 td in his last 5 games. That's an average of only 3.2 catches a game and 33.8 yards per game. So when the going got tough, Colston disappeared.[/quote]

It's called injuries.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;317400]It's called injuries.[/QUOTE]

Then get off the field if you can't perform. Either you play cause you're healthy, or you sit cause your injured. Either way, he played and produced those numbers. I'm not saying he sucked or anything...he had a very good rookie season. I'd even vote for him over Young...just not Jones-Drew.

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We can pick apart Jones-Drew too, look at some of his more stellar games:

9/10: 2 carries, 8 yards
9/18: 2 carries, 4 yards
10/1: 3 carries, 3 yards
10/22: 8 carries, 10 yards
11/12: 3 carries, 11 yards

These are 5 games where he was a complete non-factor in the running game. Two of those games were against Houston who weren't exactly a run stopping powerhouse.

And another point, he didn't even top the 1000 yard mark for the season, I haven't done any research on this but I'd be willing to bet very few RBs if any have ever won ROY without running for 1000.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;317409]We can pick apart Jones-Drew too, look at some of his more stellar games:

9/10: 2 carries, 8 yards
9/18: 2 carries, 4 yards
10/1: 3 carries, 3 yards
10/22: 8 carries, 10 yards
11/12: 3 carries, 11 yards

These are 5 games where he was a complete non-factor in the running game. Two of those games were against Houston who weren't exactly a run stopping powerhouse.

And another point, he didn't even top the 1000 yard mark for the season, I haven't done any research on this but I'd be willing to bet very few RBs if any have ever won ROY without running for 1000.[/QUOTE]

Very good points...however, how many rookies have ever gotten 16 total td's in their rookie season?
Jones Drew was the back up and produced almost 1k in rushing yards, and had THE HIGHEST YPC in all the league and 16 td's. Those are eye popping numbers, something that the other contenders don't have.

Most of the time we agree on subjects, but I have a hunch we will always argue about Young. So I guess we will just need to agree to disagree.

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You know who had a great rookie year? LT Marcus McNeil of the Chargers

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;317424]You know who had a great rookie year? LT Marcus McNeil of the Chargers[/QUOTE]

has an LT EVER won ROY?

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[quote=jsarno;317019]While of course I feel Young is overrated, and this thread does seem to have that "theme", my intent is to point out how great Jones-Drew is. I don't know if you would recall, but before he was drafted I said this kid reminds me of Barry Sanders, and I stick to that. I think Jones Drew got skrewed.[/quote]
Why not just start a thread that read Jones Is a "Fun Player To Watch" then people would have commented only on Jones and not VY. VY is going to be a good QB in this league and if you compare his number to Peyton's first year they are about the same. I'm not saying that he will ever be a Peyton but his numbers for his first year was not that bad and he didi find ways to win games.

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[quote=SmootSmack;317424]You know who had a great rookie year? LT Marcus McNeil of the Chargers[/quote]I was really shocked that he was getting so much pub. I mean, it drew a lot of attention to a rookie LT having a great year, but there are so many other linemen that get no coverage, I'm wondering what McNeil did so right.

That was a heckuva class at Auburn though in 04-05.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;317459] VY is going to be a good QB in this league and if you compare his number to Peyton's first year they are about the same. [/QUOTE]

Ummm what? I audibly laughed at this one. That might be one of the most absurd comments I have heard.
56.7% comp, 3739 yards, and 26 td's...how exactly do those stats compare to the stats of Young? Did you mean Young's numbers compared to Mannings after Manning played his first 9 games or something?

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[QUOTE=firstdown;317459]Why not just start a thread that read Jones Is a "Fun Player To Watch" then people would have commented only on Jones and not VY. [/QUOTE]

Well, technically it was my fault for comparing Young to Jones-Drew in the first place...but since Young didn't deserve it, it naturally belongs in this thread.
Still, does it matter? If it was purely about Vince young was overrated, then that would be the name of the thread.

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[quote=djnemo65;317144]You realize that you are setting yourself up for a Gus Frerotte joke right? Something like, pure passing qb's don't hesitate to headbutt walls.[/quote]


You got me there!!!!!!!!! But Gus had a cannon, so does Young, both will end their careers without ever holding a Lombardi Trophy though

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[quote=Mattyk72;317187]Actually I don't see any need to defend him, he won ROY... end of story.

I just don't know why we need multiple threads bashing Young.[/quote]

Young is very good, just don't see him winning a title with the team he is on, or with his style of play. He is on par with Vick with regards to athletic ability, actually somewhat superior with regards to arm strength, but if he starts to really dance around like Vick does he is going to take some mega punishment and might end up like Donovan. Folks are taking bets as to how long MCNabb is going to last this season. I say by week 9-10 he will be hurt. Would love to see Landry knock him on his butt a few times on saftey blitzes!!!!!! Better yet would like him to do an impression of when Carrier(Lions) knocked Keyshawn out cold several years back in TB!!! Still the nastiest hit I have seen. Down goes Keyshawn! Down goes Keyshawn!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;317830]You got me there!!!!!!!!! But Gus had a cannon, so does Young, both will end their careers without ever holding a Lombardi Trophy though[/quote]

Ramsey had a "cannon" but it doesnt mean jack shit. Sorry to bring up this old thread, but I dont see how your favorite Redskins could even be Gus.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;319036]Ramsey had a "cannon" but it doesnt mean jack shit. Sorry to bring up this old thread, but I dont see how your favorite Redskins could even be Gus.[/QUOTE]

I think we've all scratched our head at that one, but hey, some people are just a glutton for punishment.