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I would rather us hire GW as head coach. We don't need Cowher one damn bit. Cowher is just trying to get paid cause he was under paid in Pittsburgh. If he coached here that means he is going to try and change the defense to a 3-4 so there would be an adjustment period. We would have to get players to try and fit that scheme. Plus he would probably overhaul the offensive coaches. That would mean JC learning another offense. Hire from within. We have two coordinators who are more than qualified to be head coaches. They have both been head coaches. Hell, they make more than alot of head coaches. You mean to tell me that you pay two guys a shit load of money to be coordinators yet you are afraid to let them be head coaches? That makes no sense to me. If GW isn't here then let AS coach the team.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;319589]Well you're right about he helmet in my sig....I might as well paint a target. Sorry about the spout off.

As for the reality of Cowher and his return to the NFL. One, lets consider his salary that he will be looking at. Probably somewhere in the 6 to 7 mill per year range.

There are only about 5 or 6 teams in the league that can afford a coaches salary that is that high....and three of those teams are in the NFC East. Washington, Dallas and Philly.

If there is any truth to this (which I highly doubt) than I would not be surprised to see Cowher roaming the Washington sidelines in '08.[/quote]

Dallas would be a better fit for him. Wade is going to get fired after next year anyway. Plus you guys already play the 3-4.

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[quote=SmootSmack;319511]He'd be stupid not to contact the Redskins. Gibbs won't be here forever (sad to say) and he'll get paid here and get whatever he wants.

That said, why does this keep being brought up every few months?[/quote]


I really dont know. But if gibbs leaves in 2007 I want Cowher.

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I heard very similar speculation months ago. It's an interesting thought. Gibbs has 2 seasons at best left in him, so why not? Cowher is what, 48? That's almost 20 years younger than Joe. And his style fits a Joe Gibbs footprint. Discipline, character, etc, etc. If it happens we'll probably get laughed at for "bribing" G.Williams by offering him $1M if we didn't make him Gibbs' successor and then choosing someone else.

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I guess i am the only one up.

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Speculation is interesting.
Reality is another thing entirely.
Redskins are blessed with the 2nd coming of Joe Gibbs. Restoring my faith in Redskins football and validating Snyder's ownership. Gibbs will work out the length of his contract unless of health issues (only 2 years). Cowher might choose to sit out another year in an attempt to get the Redskins job. Which would probably be his against candidates as Saunders and Williams. Ofcourse after the 2k5 season I was convinced Williams would be Gibbs successor. Now that's uncertain. Fortunately we'll all get to see 2k7 and how that plays out!!!

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I have never been a big Cowher fan and always thought he was vastly over-rated. I think his screaming & yelling style works ok for about 2 or 3 years but then the players beging tuning him out. 2 seasons ago it was Bettis that kept the team tuned in and turned on.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;319517]I would also like to add that I have seen to many super star cordinators turn out to be bust aka: Norv. Cowher is a proven winner![/QUOTE]


We'll get a better idea about Norv now that he actually has some talented players to work with -- something he NEVER had here.

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Norv had 7 years here, all of those teams weren't completely void of talent. Plus, he had a hand in picking many of those players so let's not let him completely off the hook.

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The team has released a press statement denouncing the Bill Cower report. No one in the organization seems to know anything about the report by PFT.

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what did you expect them to say, yes we would like to have coach cowher here?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;319553]Whatever dude. Say what you will, but it is a discredit to Gibbs if the organization let something like this leak out, if they are indeed talking to Cowher.

Some guys just see that Dallas helmet on my sig and instantly want to take a stab, when I have said nothing to cause offense.[/quote]
I don't think it would be a discredit to Gibbs but it would be a discredit to GW and Al. If this was true I think GW would move on pretty quickly because its known that he wants to be a head coach again. Al I'm not to sure how bad he want's to be a head coach and it would be hard to tell his reaction. The only time you ever talk to another head coach about becoming your head coach is when your current coach has decided to retire and Gibbs said that was here for the entire 5 years. The people who think Gibbs would become Pres. of the Skins are kidding yourself because if he retires he is headed back to racing working side by side with his son.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;319754]Norv had 7 years here, all of those teams weren't completely void of talent. Plus, he had a hand in picking many of those players so let's not let him completely off the hook.[/QUOTE]

I'm not so sure about that. The '99 and 2000 teams were his most talented squads and he was a blocked field goal away from the NFC championship game. And if you remember, the '99 team still had major issues with the defense. The preceding years didn't come close to the makeup of those two rosters.

It's been a long time since 1994-1998. Time heals the wounded heart, and I think there's been some selective amnesia amongst Redskins fans as to how bad those teams really were.

Not saying Norv was flawless, and I'm not calling for his return or anything. But I'll go on record as saying that many in Washington will wonder what might have been once they see what the Chargers do this year.

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Say what you will about Norv, the fact remains that he did far more with far less than Gibbs has so far. Not knocking Coach, he did get us in the playoffs, but he was stacked on both sides of the ball. Compared to our present roster, Norv didn't have shit. Norv also has the distinction of being able to beat Dallas in Dallas when they had the Aikman dynasty thing still going. Now we have trouble killing a mediocre Dallas squad, when we should smoke them on paper. Things should turn around this year nicely for sure, but you never know.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;319850]what did you expect them to say, yes we would like to have coach cowher here?[/QUOTE]



Yes, that's exactly what I would expect them to say if there was any substance to it. What would be the purpose in denying it? I don't view it as being something that needs to be kept a big secret if any talks in that area have actually taken place.

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If Gibbs decides to move on after this season, who cares what GW and Al feels? Cower is a very good coach, one of the best in history. He has an average of 10 wins a season, and in the NFC that is a definate playoff birth maybe a division title. He did far more with less talent than what we have seen with our over paid roster. If we had a chance to land him, I dont see why any Redskin fan would be against it. The guy is a proven winner. Multiple playoff births, two superbowl runs, several deep playoff runs and a superbowl title. My guess is if Gibbs does return next year (at this point i could really care less) then Cower will go to Carolina. Fox has worn out his welcome and if he has another sub par year then he will be out. My point about caring less if Gibbs returns is it seems to be really no change in our franchise. 1 playoff birth, several overpaid questionable moves, and two losing seasons. seems to be the norm over the past 10 years. I love Gibbs, have been a die hard for my whole 33 years, but if he doesn't make a noticable change this season, then why keep him here. He will never be fired, he will be asked to take a front office type gig or consultant gig of some sort. I dont know, but I am sure there are a lot of REdskin fans that are sick of losing every damn year, even if Gibbs is the coach.

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[quote=Beemnseven;319918]I'm not so sure about that. The '99 and 2000 teams were his most talented squads and he was a blocked field goal away from the NFC championship game. And if you remember, the '99 team still had major issues with the defense. The preceding years didn't come close to the makeup of those two rosters.

It's been a long time since 1994-1998. Time heals the wounded heart, and I think there's been some selective amnesia amongst Redskins fans as to how bad those teams really were.

Not saying Norv was flawless, and I'm not calling for his return or anything. But I'll go on record as saying that many in Washington will wonder what might have been once they see what the Chargers do this year.[/quote]

How about the legendary collapse of '96? That was a talented team that shouldn't have gone 2-6 down the stretch to miss the playoffs.

The '97 team was talented too but couldn't win the games they were supposed to win.

Norv is a dud as a head coach and he's only going to prove it in San Diego. They'll crack under the pressure, just like he always did here.

I think some fans do have some selective amnesia when it comes to Norv and have forgotten how crappy he really was as a head coach.

I'll never understand the support and excuses for a coach who is 58-82-1.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;319513]when he retired there was talk of him taking over after gibbs. I would be happy for this to happen except for the fact that we already have two cordinators that could be coaches and there is no reason to bring in another system. GW should be coach after gibbs as long as he can put up a good defense these next couple years. Saunders and GW would be pissed off. GW would get a million dollar bonus though. This is just a rumor right now. No need to take any substance out of it but the skins will be of talk when he comes back. Danny boy will beat out any offers so why wouldn't the skins be a front runner?[/quote]

Does Saunders and Cowers style even work together.

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There can be no doubt I admire Bill Cower as a coach, his record speaks for itself. However, when it comes to being the next coach of the Redskins, I have my reservations.

The kind of authority he'll want to bring to the organization is something I'm not so sure Snyder would be willing to experiment with again. He tried it with Marty, and for him it didn't work. I'll never say never. Snyder made it clear at his lass presser, he has no intention of hiring a GM, to bring Cower in would certainly mean he would have to reconsider, I'm not so sure he's willing to do that. I'll stay tuned, and believe it when I see it.

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[quote=mredskins;319515]I like the idea of Cowher as HC and Gibbs doing some GM work.[/quote]Exactly. But let's not throw away money signing Cowher now while we have other highly paid assistants...

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[QUOTE=Redskin Rich;319528]MAN.... COWHER IN DC... THAT WOULD BE AMAZING....

Remember, Cowher won year in and year out... his staff was always being pulled to be head coaches, his players were gone to free agency, and Bill RARELY missed the playoffs. Your crazy thinking he only did it because of Grimm.[/QUOTE]

I might be crazy, but you cant read. Read my post, I said the entire staff and GM.
You also need to check your facts, you are incorrect in saying he won year in and year out, they did not, including a long three year stretch where he did not make the playoffs.
1998...7-9
1999...6-10
2000...9-7
2003...6-10
2006...8-8

Add to the fact the Cowher's Steelers year in and year out were one of the most talented teams in the NFL and only have one Super Bowl to show for it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319516]Blache could draw some serious interest as a head coach very soon.[/quote]
Assistant? Yes. Head coach? I'm not sure.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;319953]Assistant? Yes. Head coach? I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]

Blache very nearly became head coach of the 49ers a few years ago, before they stunned everyone and hired Dennis Erickson.

I'd love to see, over the next two years, guys like Earnest Byner and Kirk Olivadotti take on a bigger role with the team coordinating the offense and defense and emerge as an in-house candidate to be head coach. That's something that's missing I think from Gibbs' legacy, a homegrown coaching tree.

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[quote=SmootSmack;319957]Blache very nearly became head coach of the 49ers a few years ago, before they stunned everyone and hired Dennis Erickson.

I'd love to see, over the next two years, guys like Earnest Byner and Kirk Olivadotti take on a bigger role with the team coordinating the offense and defense and emerge as an in-house candidate to be head coach. That's something that's missing I think from Gibbs' legacy, a homegrown coaching tree.[/quote]

IMO Blache will become a head coach in this league very soon.

My thoughts on Byner and Olivadotti, I don't think so, and really could care less.

The only thing right know that's missing from the legacy of Joe is a HOMEGROWN WINNING TREE, which is all I care about!

With that said, I think this year we mesh and Joe's legacy comes back to life.

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[quote=SmootSmack;319957]Blache very nearly became head coach of the 49ers a few years ago, before they stunned everyone and hired Dennis Erickson.

I'd love to see, over the next two years, guys like Earnest Byner and Kirk Olivadotti take on a bigger role with the team coordinating the offense and defense and emerge as an in-house candidate to be head coach. That's something that's missing I think from Gibbs' legacy, a homegrown coaching tree.[/quote]

Buges did when 7 games, I think, in Arizona, which is the equivilant of winning 3 rings anywhere else. Just to be fair.

Blache is great. We should hold on to him like grim death. Who else could have gotten more out of the guys he' had?

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[quote=Defensewins;319952]I might be crazy, but you cant read. Read my post, I said the entire staff and GM.
You also need to check your facts, you are incorrect in saying he won year in and year out, they did not, including a long three year stretch where he did not make the playoffs.
1998...7-9
1999...6-10
2000...9-7
2003...6-10
2006...8-8

Add to the fact the Cowher's Steelers year in and year out were one of the most talented teams in the NFL and only have one Super Bowl to show for it.[/quote]

Unfortunately Cowher wasted a lot of time on Kordell Stewart. And despite that still won 7 or more games in I believe 12 out of his 14 years in Pitt. That's a lot more than we can say about our Skins over that span. Hell, Gibbs has 3 times more Super Bowls than Cowher, yet Cowher never lost 11 games in a season. Joe did just that last year. I think it all depends on how we do in '07. If we make the playoffs and win a game or two, I think Joe will come back for his final year. If we miss the playoffs and manage only 6 or 7 wins, I could see a switch.

And if by some chance Cowher did come to DC, there is no chance he would bring Russ Grimm, or Ken Wisenhunt with him. They aren't leaving Arizona after one season.

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I only see him here if Gibbs steps down after the 2007 season. (well that is obvious.)

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[quote=Defensewins;319952]I might be crazy, but you cant read. Read my post, I said the entire staff and GM.
You also need to check your facts, you are incorrect in saying he won year in and year out, they did not, including a long three year stretch where he did not make the playoffs.
1998...7-9
1999...6-10
2000...9-7
2003...6-10
2006...8-8

Add to the fact the Cowher's Steelers year in and year out were one of the most talented teams in the NFL and only have one Super Bowl to show for it.[/quote]


a long stretch of 3 years?? I would take a 3 year drought anytime. we have made the playoffs i think once since 99? that is 1 in 8 seasons. and lets see the 9-7 year would have gotten you in the playoffs in the NFC.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;319938]How about the legendary collapse of '96? That was a talented team that shouldn't have gone 2-6 down the stretch to miss the playoffs.

The '97 team was talented too but couldn't win the games they were supposed to win.

Norv is a dud as a head coach and he's only going to prove it in San Diego. They'll crack under the pressure, just like he always did here.

I think some fans do have some selective amnesia when it comes to Norv and have forgotten how crappy he really was as a head coach.

I'll never understand the support and excuses for a coach who is 58-82-1.[/QUOTE]


The '96 team started out 7-1 by beating the teams they should have beaten, but then the schedule got serious. They still wound up 9-7 though; and that was with a horrible defense.

I wouldn't call my comments about Norv "support and excuses". It's just a reminder for everyone to put things in perspective. He had his flaws, no doubt. But he also had some bad rosters. Put those two together and the results shouldn't be surprising.

If he bombs in San Diego, then you're right and I will be wrong. But barring injury, I just don't see that happening.

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His crappy W-L record is all the perspective I need. Norv never won the big games here, his teams constantly underachieved. We'll see what he does with a loaded roster and a ton of pressure. With that roster most any coach should be able to put it on cruise control and get at least 12 wins and a deep playoff run. Anything less will be a major disappointment.

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[quote=Mattyk72;320144]His crappy W-L record is all the perspective I need. Norv never won the big games here, his teams constantly underachieved. We'll see what he does with a loaded roster and a ton of pressure. With that roster most any coach should be able to put it on cruise control and get at least 12 wins and a deep playoff run. Anything less will be a major disappointment.[/quote]

It's hard to make the case FOR Norv, but it's also hard for me to root against the guy. I could see that offense putting up a lot of points and certainly Philip Rivers will benefit greatly. A also think the pressure is mitigated somewhat by the very fact that people don't think of him as a great HC. It's just hard for me to root against Norv. I'll leave it there.

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What did he do for us in his 7 years here to make you want to continue rooting for him??

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the guy. I think he's a great offensive coordinator. I just think he's garbage as a head coach.

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[quote=Mattyk72;320183]What did he do for us in his 7 years here to make you want to continue rooting for him??

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the guy. I think he's a great offensive coordinator. I just think he's garbage as a head coach.[/quote]

It's less about rooting for him than it is about not finding joy in his failure. I like watching some people lose, but he's not one of them. He seems like a decent fellow. I thought the way he was fired here was disgraceful. They didn't need to do that. I was a little embarrassd to be a Skins fan when I went to Dallas for the game the next weekend. Just a little.

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I don't think Norv is a good coach. I don't even think he's a good coodinator. But maybe theres no better supporting evidence for the argument that coaching has little correlation with winning and losing than with what is about to happen in SD this year. That roster is loaded, and Norv doesn't even have to find missing pieces. They are all in place already. Norv has little control over the outcome of the Chargers' season this year. He just calls the plays, and its on the offense and defense to execute.

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[quote=Mattyk72;320183]What did he do for us in his 7 years here to make you want to continue rooting for him??

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the guy. I think he's a great offensive coordinator. I just think he's garbage as a head coach.[/quote]This position has perplexed me for years. I don't understand why the "Norv is garbage crowd" thinks he was/is a good coodinator. The qualities that make a successful head coach (especially a HC who calls plays) are pretty much identical to the qualities of a playcalling coodinator, correct?

So does Norv have these qualities or not? I doubt he could have them only conditionally. He's either an underrated coach, or an overrated coodinator.

(I tend to feel hes the latter)

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[quote=GTripp0012;320186]This position has perplexed me for years. I don't understand why the "Norv is garbage crowd" thinks he was/is a good coodinator. The qualities that make a successful head coach (especially a HC who calls plays) are pretty much identical to the qualities of a playcalling coodinator, correct?

So does Norv have these qualities or not? I doubt he could have them only conditionally. He's either an underrated coach, or an overrated coodinator.

(I tend to feel hes the latter)[/quote]


I always thought he had a good knack for playcalling. I woud say he was better than anything i saw from Al Saunders last year.

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So Matty, who do you hate more -- Spurrier or Norv?

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Troy Aikman, whom I despised as a player, but greatly respect now, has nothing but praise for Norv Turner. He credits Norv for shaping him as the player he turned out to be, and thinks very highly of him as a coach/coordinator.

Some may not agree with Aikman on this, but having a Hall of Famer like Aikman on his side can't hurt Norv's case.

The history books aren't through with Norv Turner, let's just say that.

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[quote=70Chip;320187]I always thought he had a good knack for playcalling. I woud say he was better than anything i saw from Al Saunders last year.[/quote]Maybe he does, but my point would be that he didn't lose that knack as a HC, did he?

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[quote=GTripp0012;320191]Maybe he does, but my point would be that he didn't lose that knack as a HC, did he?[/quote]


No, the point that is made is that he was deficient in the areas of team management and motivation. The Westbrooke/Davis fight, a lack of discipline, too nice to the guys. I think you can have a great game plan and not have your team ready to play at the same time.

I will say that I think Gibbs was/(is?) too cautious as a play caller at times, but he makes up for it with meticulous preparation. His practices are like games.

At any rate, it will be interesting to see how many points San Diego scores this season. I think a lot.