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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;319732]I say no. Just more money to take away from Cooley's potential contract.[/QUOTE]
Good point. I don't want to sign any FAs (with the exception of a valuable DE/DT) until Cooley gets a new contract.

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I just don't see acquiring KM as much of a vault into the league's elite teams this year. What we have now is just as good as what we would have with him on our team.

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At vets minimum, it's a question. At anything higher, it isn't.

Espy, while no sure thing to break out, is the only receiver with any likelihood to make the roster under 25. As much as I want to "win now", we can't jettison the future stability of the WR corps in order to improve ourselves at the #4 WR.

If McCardell could come in and play 80% of the snaps at #2, then he helps us next year in a manner that makes this palatable. But that also means that Randle-El and Lloyd are [u]not[/u] on the field those times, which would be an abject failure.

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Talking about WR's. I read that Lloyd cam into camp in very good shape and gaining around 20 pounds of mussel and weight. Was this true and is there any word of how he is looking in the mini camps?

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[quote=firstdown;319736]Talking about WR's. I read that Lloyd cam into camp in very good shape and gaining around 20 pounds of mussel and weight. Was this true and is there any word of how he is looking in the mini camps?[/quote]

he did gain 20 pounds of muscle and they say he has gotten alot stronger but hasnt lost any speed.

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I like this idea. IMO, there is only 1 player that would be threatened by this; Loyd. He's the one w/a lot to prove.

I think a lot of us here are assuming that Espy can really make it in the nfl. I hope he does & its w/us, but he didn't make the roster last year & we still don't know if he has it. He could be another McCants or D. Thompson, guys that had their moments but turned out to be avg. nfl players if that.

Thrash on the other hand has had a great career as a #2, #3 wr, even as a #1 in Philly (not saying much given they had FredEx & Pinkston). He's a core Skins, spent his early years here & Gibbs loves him. He also outplayed Loyd last year & plays spec. teams well. Can't believe anyone can think we'll get rid of him.

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Taking into consideration Moss's injury history and the fact that he's rehabing his hammy now is reason to bring in a safety vet to push the others WR to excel. I like the move, he's like having Patten but has more talent.

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I have no problem with this if it can be done on the cheap, with a heavily incentive based contract. Good insurance policy. We have...............one proven starting reciever at this time. Hopefully, one of our existing guys or new guys will step to the plate. No guarantee.

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[quote=firstdown;319736]Talking about WR's. I read that Lloyd cam into camp in very good shape and gaining around 20 pounds of mussel and weight. Was this true and is there any word of how he is looking in the mini camps?[/quote]

I also heard he's been a joy to be around, which is a change.

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Lloyd looks like a different player, he's totally bulked up now. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmm.

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McCardell is along the lines of Andre Reed, Flipper Anderson, Alvin Harper, Irving Fryar. Guys in the twilight of their career who were looking to extend their career. And while he's 2 years removed from 70-917-9, I think the focus should be on grooming the younger guys. With Moss and Cooley and Portis/Betts, Campbell has 3 solid go to guys to catch the ball.

I wouldn't be opposed to adding McCardell at the veteran minimum, however it would all depend on which player's spot he gets.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319755]Lloyd looks like a different player, he's totally bulked up now. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmm.[/quote]

Trying not to hijack the thread here, but do any of us believe players are "all natural?" Seem's pretty apparent that the testing is spotty and most players know when it's coming. HGH is impossible to detect through testing, you essentially have to catch the player taking it to bust them.

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I like McCardell except for his age and payout. With the receivers we already have, I'm just concerned with how/where he would fit in, and what role he would play. We just released an aging vet. in David patten whose contribution was limited due to the fact he didn't play teams. For me the question is: At this stage of his career, how much does he have to offer that would upstage any of the younger players we have.

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He could well buy us time until the next star can step from the pack of guys we already have, or soon to be Skins

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[quote=Mattyk72;319755]Lloyd looks like a different player, he's totally bulked up now. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmm.[/quote]

What do you mean by this?

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[quote=Mc2guy;319758]Trying not to hijack the thread here, but do any of us believe players are "all natural?" Seem's pretty apparent that the testing is spotty and most players know when it's coming. HGH is impossible to detect through testing, you essentially have to catch the player taking it to bust them.[/quote]

The players that are in the NFL would be there whether they were taking something or not. Why is it that whenever someone looks a little different they are always accused of taking something???? Why is it as fans do we give a damn? Trust me on this becasue I am an avid weightlifter, if you work out hard and eat the right foods, you can change your body within a few months. Brandon Lloyd could easily put on 10-15 pounds by eating the right foods and training hard. I get soooooooo tired of people always going on assumptions. Even if Lloyd was taking something illegal, it's not like HGH or steriods (or even insulin which is the most powerful hormone in the body) will automatically make you bigger. You STILL have to train hard and eat right or these drugs will do NOTHING for you. There is no such thing as a miracle drug.

Instead of assuming something we have no proof of, how about just giving Lloyd some credit for getting himself in the best shape of his life. Let's give hime some credit just as quickly as we kill him when we acts like an a-hole.

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[quote=skinsfan69;319767]What do you mean by this?[/quote]

Just makes you wonder is all.

In this day and age I think you have to question a player anytime he appears to have bulked up considerably in a short period of time. Have you seen him this year? He looks like a completely different person. I'm not saying he's definitely done anything illegal, but if you're not at least considering that possiblity I think that's pretty ignorant.

Here he is last year:

[IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HPKIEJEENFBH/DSC_0015blPG.jpg[/IMG]


And here he is now:

[IMG]http://www.extremeskins.org/2007minicamp/day2/photos/jj/59.JPG[/IMG]


Looks like he turned into David Boston overnight. Is it possible through legit hard work and nutrition? Sure. But we know it's possible through many other ways too.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319770]Just makes you wonder is all.

In this day and age I think you have to question a player anytime he appears to have bulked up considerably in a short period of time. Have you seen him this year? He looks like a completely different person. I'm not saying he's definitely done anything illegal, but if you're not at least considering that possiblity I think that's pretty ignorant.

Here he is last year:

[IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HPKIEJEENFBH/DSC_0015blPG.jpg[/IMG]


And here he is now:

[IMG]http://www.extremeskins.org/2007minicamp/day2/photos/jj/59.JPG[/IMG]


Looks like he turned into David Boston overnight. Is it possible through legit hard work and nutrition? Sure. But we know it's possible through many other ways too.[/quote]


damn he is ripped he looks way different

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He is thicker from head to toe, and his arms are definitely much BIGGER from the forearms up. He looks at least 20 pounds heavier.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319770]Just makes you wonder is all.

In this day and age I think you have to question a player anytime he appears to have bulked up considerably in a short period of time. Have you seen him this year? He looks like a completely different person. I'm not saying he's definitely done anything illegal, but if you're not at least considering that possiblity I think that's pretty ignorant.

Here he is last year:

[IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HPKIEJEENFBH/DSC_0015blPG.jpg[/IMG]


And here he is now:

[IMG]http://www.extremeskins.org/2007minicamp/day2/photos/jj/59.JPG[/IMG]


Looks like he turned into David Boston overnight. Is it possible through legit hard work and nutrition? Sure. But we know it's possible through many other ways too.[/quote]

You don't have any dates of these pictures. One was taken in OTA's or mini camp so it's probably sometime in the spring. But the other one was sometime last year perhaps? Let's just assume Lloyd started his training in Jan or Feb. He could easily put on weight in a time frame of 12 weeks. Like I said it's not that hard to do if you go at it real hard. I know for sure is it's not possible if your sitting around and not training and eating right. Lloyd has put in the time and hard work to bulk up. If he's using something to help him so be it. I don't care and neither should the fans cause we can't prove anything. Are you or anyone else going to care if he keeps his mouth shut, catches 80 balls for 1200 yards and scores 10 td's? Nope.

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Plus these pictures are from different angles, the first he is more stretched out the second he has his arm more bent. Also the first looks like a relaxed catch and the second he is putting more effort into the catch. You cannot post two pics and compare the two as they are totaly different.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;319739]Taking into consideration Moss's injury history and the fact that he's rehabing his hammy now is reason to bring in a safety vet to push the others WR to excel. I like the move, he's like having Patten but has more talent.[/quote]
Not sure what you mean about injury history this is his playing history.
2006 14
2005 16
2004 15
2003 16
2002 15
I left off his rokie year.

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We don't need him.

Lloyd and RE are fine either one being 2 and 3.

Thrash is perfect 4.

Don't need to send those types of messages to existing crew.

Give them a shot just like the Defensive Line.

Everyone on this board was ripping them but I guess Gibbs and company felt differently about our group of guys.

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[quote=firstdown;319782]Plus these pictures are from different angles, the first he is more stretched out the second he has his arm more bent. Also the first looks like a relaxed catch and the second he is putting more effort into the catch. You cannot post two pics and compare the two as they are totaly different.[/quote]

Wait til you see him the guy is clearly much bigger this year. JLC from the Post has made several remarks about him on his blog about how much bigger he is.

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[quote=skinsfan69;319777]You don't have any dates of these pictures. One was taken in OTA's or mini camp so it's probably sometime in the spring. But the other one was sometime last year perhaps? Let's just assume Lloyd started his training in Jan or Feb. He could easily put on weight in a time frame of 12 weeks. Like I said it's not that hard to do if you go at it real hard. I know for sure is it's not possible if your sitting around and not training and eating right. Lloyd has put in the time and hard work to bulk up. If he's using something to help him so be it. I don't care and neither should the fans cause we can't prove anything. Are you or anyone else going to care if he keeps his mouth shut, catches 80 balls for 1200 yards and scores 10 td's? Nope.[/quote]

The first pic is from camp last year, the second pic is from this offseason at the OTAs I believe.

Simple point is the guy is alot bigger. I don't care how he did it, I just said it made me wonder how he did it.

We will care of course he if got busted for it and was suspended for a few games.

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He does look bulked up a lot. For now I'm just happy that he's done something, maybe that's why the danny said "we're proud of him," which was a comment that several people wondered about. I want this guy to make an impact on the field rather than off it, but to this point he hasn't inspired much.

Whether it's hgh or his behavior, he's more likely than anybody else on the team to get suspended (maybe ST has him there). Signing McCardell as depth is not a bad idea for vet min. Shouldn't impact the cap either as I'm sure he'd just get a 1 yr. deal.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319793]The first pic is from camp last year, the second pic is from this offseason at the OTAs I believe.

Simple point is the guy is alot bigger. I don't care how he did it, I just said it made me wonder how he did it.

We will care of course he if got busted for it and was suspended for a few games.[/quote]

Personally I'm happy that he's a bit bigger and stronger. It shows that he gives a damn and perhaps he is thinking that he has something to prove. So good for him. I hope he breaks out this year and plays like he is capable of playing.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319770]Just makes you wonder is all.

In this day and age I think you have to question a player anytime he appears to have bulked up considerably in a short period of time. Have you seen him this year? He looks like a completely different person. I'm not saying he's definitely done anything illegal, but if you're not at least considering that possiblity I think that's pretty ignorant.

Here he is last year:

[IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HPKIEJEENFBH/DSC_0015blPG.jpg[/IMG]


And here he is now:

[IMG]http://www.extremeskins.org/2007minicamp/day2/photos/jj/59.JPG[/IMG]


Looks like he turned into David Boston overnight. Is it possible through legit hard work and nutrition? Sure. But we know it's possible through many other ways too.[/quote]

HOLY SHIT! He is definately on the juice. That is some instant MASS!

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[quote=freddyg12;319806]He does look bulked up a lot. For now I'm just happy that he's done something, maybe that's why the danny said "we're proud of him," which was a comment that several people wondered about. I want this guy to make an impact on the field rather than off it, but to this point he hasn't inspired much.

Whether it's hgh or his behavior, he's more likely than anybody else on the team to get suspended (maybe ST has him there). Signing McCardell as depth is not a bad idea for vet min. Shouldn't impact the cap either as I'm sure he'd just get a 1 yr. deal.[/quote]

I saw Snyder say that too in his news conference. I mean the owner singled him out, and Gibbs said something good about him in one of his recent pressers after practice. I guess someone finally got through to the guy. Or he is starting to grow up. Either way I'm excited that he is going to break out this year.

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[quote=JDALY27;319817]HOLY SHIT! He is definately on the juice. That is some instant MASS![/quote]

How about you educate yourself on health and fitness before you start throwing around assumptions you can't prove. Jeez!

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[quote=skinsfan69;319828]How about you educate yourself on health and fitness before you start throwing around assumptions you can't prove. Jeez![/quote]

The thing is, you can't prove that he did it legit. At this point it's anybody's guess how he put on 20 pounds of muscle.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319831]The thing is, you can't prove that he did it legit. At this point it's anybody's guess how he put on 20 pounds of muscle.[/quote]

grandma's down to earth home cooked good enough to eat by iyself "lemon fish sauce"

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[quote=Mattyk72;319831]The thing is, you can't prove that he did it legit. At this point it's anybody's guess how he put on 20 pounds of muscle.[/quote]
this is where you are wrong. the one thing that proves it is a drug test. cant anyone get the benefit of the doubt?

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[quote=Mattyk72;319831]The thing is, you can't prove that he did it legit. At this point it's anybody's guess how he put on 20 pounds of muscle.[/quote]

Well, the NFL tests for steriods. I have not heard anything lately about Lloyd getting back a positive test. And if anyone knows anything about HGH it does not put on muscle mass. That is not what it does. In most cases it burns off fat and you actually loose weight. It gives you a lean hard look. If Lloyd put on 20 pounds of muscle then he would have to be stacking some type of testosterone w/ deca, or dianabol. That stuff makes you hold water and gives you a bulky look. Kind of like how Bonds looked. Plus those types of steriods stay in your system for a long time. Over 30 days. So I doubt he is taking steriods.

Like I said he could put this weight on by training hard, eating right, drinking 3 protein shakes a day and maybe mix in some creatine.

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[quote=skinsfan69;319860]Well, the NFL tests for steriods. I have not heard anything lately about Lloyd getting back a positive test. And if anyone knows anything about HGH it does not put on muscle mass. That is not what it does. In most cases it burns off fat and you actually loose weight. It gives you a lean hard look. If Lloyd put on 20 pounds of muscle then he would have to be stacking some type of testosterone w/ deca, or dianabol. That stuff makes you hold water and gives you a bulky look. Kind of like how Bonds looked. Plus those types of steriods stay in your system for a long time. Over 30 days. So I doubt he is taking steriods.

Like I said he could put this weight on by training hard, eating right, drinking 3 protein shakes a day and maybe mix in some creatine.[/quote]

Are you saying there's no way around the testing the NFL does? C'mon now, just because they test doesn't mean guys aren't juicing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;319860]Well, the NFL tests for steriods. I have not heard anything lately about Lloyd getting back a positive test. And if anyone knows anything about HGH it does not put on muscle mass. That is not what it does. In most cases it burns off fat and you actually loose weight. It gives you a lean hard look. If Lloyd put on 20 pounds of muscle then he would have to be stacking some type of testosterone w/ deca, or dianabol. That stuff makes you hold water and gives you a bulky look. Kind of like how Bonds looked. Plus those types of steriods stay in your system for a long time. Over 30 days. So I doubt he is taking steriods.

Like I said he could put this weight on by training hard, eating right, drinking 3 protein shakes a day and maybe mix in some creatine.[/quote]
It would not surprise me if the coaches did not give Lloyd some options at the end of last year and one was to get with the program. That and all criticism he got last year for his poor play may be what he needed to push himself harder. He did just OK with the 49er's and pretty much failed here last year and if we let him go he would find it a tough to find a starting position with another team. We will see but it seems he is starting this season on a positive note.

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So should we consider that Sean Taylor is suffering from anorexia because I mean the guy did lose 16 pounds.

I don't think Lloyd juiced up. The guy is an athlete. He has so many things to his disposal that we don't, and I understand that includes steroids. But seriously, he could've hired a top flight personal trainer and a dietician to get to where he is now couldn't he ?

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Can you say Andre Reed?

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;319870]So should we consider that Sean Taylor is suffering from anorexia because I mean the guy did lose 16 pounds.

I don't think Lloyd juiced up. The guy is an athlete. He has so many things to his disposal that we don't, and I understand that includes steroids. But seriously, he could've hired a top flight personal trainer and a dietician to get to where he is now couldn't he ?[/quote]

Losing 16 pounds isn't very hard at all. It's much harder to put on 20 pounds of muscle.

Again just to clarify I'm not saying Lloyd is juicing. I was just very surprised when I saw him for the first time this year. I didn't even recognize him with the new haircut and guns. I really hope it's a change for the better.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319865]Are you saying there's no way around the testing the NFL does? C'mon now, just because they test doesn't mean guys aren't juicing.[/quote]

Of course there are ways around it. Like I said, there is no way to test for HGH or insulin. Insulin is some real powerful stuff and it can kill you if you don't know what your doing. But in order for those two to work you have to take it every day. It's a real pain in the ass. But guys can take that stuff 12 months a year and never ever get caught. But steriods are different. In order for them to work you have to run anywhere from a 8-12 week cycle. And most steriods that bulk you up, stay in your system for a long time. So that is why I doubt guys are taking steriods nowadays.