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I've been very careful with my thoughts about this...because when I first saw he died, I was nearly in tears. (prior to getting all the facts). This was a guy I often emulated myself after. I'm a pretty big wrestling fan, I've been dying off like many as far as fanhood the past few years, but Chris Benoit was one of the few things that still made you proud to be a wrestling fan. When it first came out he was dead, I was deeply saddened....then when more and more facts came out, I was absoultley crushed. I couldnt belive that this guy was a cold blooded killer like he was. I truly belive there is more to this than is being said at this point, because I just dont think (and yeah, I dont know the guy personally), but I just dont think he was the type of a guy to just go ahead and KILL HIS KID. I mean god damn that just gets me, how the hell do you kill a seven year old kid like that.....

Furthermore, I'm not going to buy into this whole roid rage thing as an excuse for the bullcrap actions of Chris Benoit. It wasent roid rage...Roid Rage is I just snapped and within a span of 15 mintues I killed everyone and myself....its becoming more and more apparent to me at least that this was slowly carried out. Its seriously a damn shame, because that kid had his whole life in front of him, as did Nancy Benoit, she was only 43.......

God damnit, Chris. What the hell were you thinking?

Unbelivable.

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Just goes to show you that you may think someone "has it all", but they really don't.
I had no clue who this guy was, I'm not a razzling fan, but the point remains the same...people will surprise you at every corner.

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according to yahoo they r reporting no suicide note was found and he and his wife had some issues a few years ago. I'm deeply conflicted on this because he always seemed to represent someone who worked as hard as he possibly could and went about things the right way and now to hear that there's almost an almost concrete certainty that he killed his wife and one of his children. I just am absolutely stunned right now and have had yet another person I admired wind up not being who I thought they were. I feel absolutely terrible for his surviving children who now have to live with the fact their father killed their step family and then like a coward hung himself. I truly hope the reason is discovered as to why this happened, but I have a feeling this will never be resolved. hopefully this makes people appreciate their families that much more and also realize you honestly never know everyone the way you think you do.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;321630]This is complete theory off the top of my head based on nothing but the criminology classes I took in college all the A&E crimes shows that I watch, so take it with a grain of salt if you choose, but...

if he's such a huge family man and his wife devastates him by admitting to him that she had an affair or something like that I could see him going off the deep end and doing something this horrible. This would especially be true if you combined the shock of learning something like this with roid rage, which seems to be a factor.
He probably went into such a rage that he killed her, and then while he was still out of it he decided with some f'd up logic that he didn't want his son to live with the knowledge that his daddy killed his mommy so he killed him too (again, this is only 'logic' that would make sense to someone who's going completely nuts).
Apparently the wife was strangled, which is a very personal way to kill someone. He would have probably had to see her dying. At the same time, the kid was smothered, meaning that he was probably hidden under a pillow.
Then after a couple of hours to calm down he realized what a horrible thing he had done and he took the coward's way out.

Like I said, I have nothing to back any of this up but it's a theory.
(maybe I should go get my master's in criminology after all.)[/QUOTE]

Was she his wife, or ex-wife? I thought she had filed for divorce a few years back, did she change her mind?

Either way, it's a horrible tragedy. And especially for the completely innocent child stuck in the middle of an obviously strained relationship between the parents

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Yeah, she filed for divorce in 2003, then withdrew the Complaint. For those wrestling fans, she was "Woman" and was originally married to Kevin Sullivan, a wrestler and writer. He wrote a storyline wherein Woman and Benoit had an affair....and they did! She left Sullivan and married Benoit. I'll always remember Benoit as one of the last 4 horseman when he was younger. Sad story.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru;321734] I'm deeply conflicted on this because he always seemed to represent someone who worked as hard as he possibly could and went about things the right way and now to hear that there's almost an almost concrete certainty that he killed his wife and one of his children. [/QUOTE]

OK, I know this is going to sound rude...but really??? This is a guy that works in deceiving you daily. He works hard at being a fake. He works for a fake oginization that ACTS.
In other words, you know nothing about him...no one did. He is...excuse me, was a phony.

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I am there with Gman on this. Just trying to fnd some rational reason to understand what happened. Just rationalize it away. As for roid rage I agree also. Roid rage is a snap. This was all entirely too methodical. Underneathe this guy was just nuts.

To those who don't watch wrestling, I don't much anymore recently, I'd equate him to someone like Santana Moss. A skilled guy who had the respect of everyone. Someone who worked hard and was friends with everybody but was really a internal guy not too comfortable with celebrity and fame. If he did something like this everyone would be out of their minds. It's not like half ass crazy Steve Austin did this. This was a guy that was a friend to everyone, a guy that people saw as a devoted family man who went 100% off the deep end out of nowhere. Makes no sense and never will.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;321786]OK, I know this is going to sound rude...but really??? This is a guy that works in deceiving you daily. He works hard at being a fake. He works for a fake oginization that ACTS.
In other words, you know nothing about him...no one did. He is...excuse me, was a phony.[/QUOTE]

I am pretty sure that the WWE is not a fake orginization. It is a real orginization, hell you can even buy stocks on the NYSE if you wanted to. And as for him or any wrestler making a living out of deceiving the public, well they are in sports [B][SIZE="3"]entertainment[/SIZE][/B]. I think or would like to think that by now the people that do watch wrestling know that it is nothing more than a soap opera. You may not like wrestling, but to say that they are deceiving you is a little outlandish.

As you say that "he works hard at being a fake," to me is no different than an actor working just as hard at being a fake... I mean really to you think that Tom Cruise, Bruce Willis, Sly Stallone, or any other hollywood action star does there own stunts? I know there are a select few that do, but it is ok for a movie star to deceive me for two hours, give or take, but it is not ok for a proffesional wrestler to do it?

You did hit the nail on the head though when you said ACT, because at the end of the day that is all that it is, guys who get a script or whatever and they go out and entertain the crowd as there boss has directed them to... Its all acting, one shouldn't read more into it...

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;321802]I am there with Gman on this. Just trying to fnd some rational reason to understand what happened. Just rationalize it away. As for roid rage I agree also. Roid rage is a snap. This was all entirely too methodical. Underneathe this guy was just nuts.[/QUOTE]

Is it possible though that the first murder (his wife) was a result of roid rage and the following murder plus his suicide were "planned" but only because he didn't know what to do after the rage of the first?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;321855]Is it possible though that the first murder (his wife) was a result of roid rage and the following murder plus his suicide were "planned" but only because he didn't know what to do after the rage of the first?[/QUOTE]
That's kind of what I'm thinking. If the roids make you that f'd up in the head to snap like he did on his wife then I would assume that it could also send him into a deep depression over his actions.

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This just proves no good can come from using steriods.

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Did you hear the kid had needle marks in his arm where they think the dad was injecting him with human growth hormons because the kid was small. The kid is actually a Dwarf. They said the dad used a wrestling choke hold on the kid most likely.


grrrrrrrr!!!!!
Mother fucker!


Please excuse/forgive my faul words
peace
mike

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They're talking about steroids and roid rage on the radio right now and someone just brought up an interesting point. He said that when people cycle off them their body obviously doesn't have as much testosterone pumping through them and that makes them depressed.

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan;321893]Did you hear the kid had needle marks in his arm where they think the dad was injecting him with human growth hormons because the kid was small. The kid is actually a Dwarf. They said the dad used a wrestling choke hold on the kid most likely.


grrrrrrrr!!!!!
Mother fucker!


Please excuse/forgive my faul words
peace
mike[/QUOTE]
Where the hell did you hear he was a dwarf?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;321899]Where the hell did you hear he was a dwarf?[/QUOTE]

ABC News during Good Morning America

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[quote=Redskins8588;321805]I am pretty sure that the WWE is not a fake orginization. It is a real orginization, hell you can even buy stocks on the NYSE if you wanted to. And as for him or any wrestler making a living out of deceiving the public, well they are in sports [B][SIZE=3]entertainment[/SIZE][/B]. I think or would like to think that by now the people that do watch wrestling know that it is nothing more than a soap opera. You may not like wrestling, but to say that they are deceiving you is a little outlandish.

As you say that "he works hard at being a fake," to me is no different than an actor working just as hard at being a fake... I mean really to you think that Tom Cruise, Bruce Willis, Sly Stallone, or any other hollywood action star does there own stunts? I know there are a select few that do, but it is ok for a movie star to deceive me for two hours, give or take, but it is not ok for a proffesional wrestler to do it?
You did hit the nail on the head though when you said ACT, because at the end of the day that is all that it is, guys who get a script or whatever and they go out and entertain the crowd as there boss has directed them to... Its all acting, one shouldn't read more into it...[/quote]What a sad event of taking such a young kids life and his mothers. On anothe note WWE is not a sport as the results are predetermined and in real sports the result is determined after the match or games is played.

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Is that really an arguement that need to be brought up here?
who cares if it's a sport or not.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;321904]What a sad event of taking such a young kids life and his mothers. On anothe note WWE is not a sport as the results are predetermined and in real sports the result is determined after the match or games is played.[/QUOTE]
Right, I never said that the WWE was a sport, I called it SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. There is a difference between a sport and sports entertainment.

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[quote=Redskins8588;321946]Right, I never said that the WWE was a sport, I called it SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. There is a difference between a sport and sports entertainment.[/quote]
Ok, I did not really want to debate the issue with such a sad loss.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;321805]I am pretty sure that the WWE is not a fake orginization. It is a real orginization,[/quote]

My bad, I didn't choose my words carefully enough...obviously it's not a fake orginization, I meant it is an orginization of fakes.

[quote]And as for him or any wrestler making a living out of deceiving the public, well they are in sports [B][SIZE="3"]entertainment[/SIZE][/B]. I think or would like to think that by now the people that do watch wrestling know that it is nothing more than a soap opera. You may not like wrestling, but to say that they are deceiving you is a little outlandish. [/quote]

Have you ever heard someone say..."No, that's BS, (so and so) should have won that because he's a better wrestler"? I have...MANY TIMES. Maybe deep down they all know it's fake, but there are several that live by it and think it is in fact real.

[quote]As you say that "he works hard at being a fake," to me is no different than an actor working just as hard at being a fake... I mean really to you think that Tom Cruise, Bruce Willis, Sly Stallone, or any other hollywood action star does there own stunts? I know there are a select few that do, but it is ok for a movie star to deceive me for two hours, give or take, but it is not ok for a proffesional wrestler to do it?[/quote]

I agree...it's no different. How many times do we hear of an actor or an actress with a month long marriage? Or committing suicide? I don't much of a difference with actors and actresses other than the wrestlers are on the juice.

[quote]You did hit the nail on the head though when you said ACT, because at the end of the day that is all that it is, guys who get a script or whatever and they go out and entertain the crowd as there boss has directed them to... Its all acting, one shouldn't read more into it...[/QUOTE]

But ONE does. Ie: several people here thinking this guy was a good family man cause he was on TV. (or how he was protrayed on TV)

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[QUOTE=jsarno;321786]OK, I know this is going to sound rude...but really??? This is a guy that works in deceiving you daily. He works hard at being a fake. He works for a fake oginization that ACTS.
In other words, you know nothing about him...no one did. He is...excuse me, was a phony.[/QUOTE]

I do realize it's staged but I have some friends that are diehard wrestling fans that have gotten to interact with several WWE stars on a semi regular basis and Benoit was always one guy they all spoke pretty highly of in their times they've crossed paths with him as opposed to quite a few others who were absolute tools. Even though most of us don't personally know any celebs, I'd bet good money all of us see a few of them as truly good people even though they don't actually know them. No matter how anyone spins this, this was something I don't think anyone could see coming.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;322071]But ONE does. Ie: several people here thinking this guy was a good family man cause he was on TV. (or how he was protrayed on TV)[/QUOTE]
I understand your point for the most part, but I have to ask. Out of pure curiosity have you ever ben a fan of wrestling? Much less have you followed wrestling when Benoit was big? I guess what I am getting at is that from what I remember about wrestling, they dont go into details about the wrestler. I mean whether or not if he is a good family man or not...

If a fan feels that a wrestler is a good family man it is usually what the fan finds out about the wrestler on his own. Not what Jim Ross or Jerry "the King" Lawler say on a broadcast of Monday night RAW or what Vinny Mac decides as the out come of a match or the next story line...

Best example, look at Terry "Hulk" Hogan. When he was with the nWo, he was a total heel. But after seeing "Hogan Knows Best" I really dont think that when he was a heel that he was a bad family man, him being a heel was all part of the act... And by the way his daughter is HOT... And so is his wife for being an older chick...

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Benoit has lost all respect from me. No excuse can justify what he did. And he can burn in hell for all I care.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru;322160]I do realize it's staged but I have some friends that are diehard wrestling fans that have gotten to interact with several WWE stars on a semi regular basis and Benoit was always one guy they all spoke pretty highly of in their times they've crossed paths with him as opposed to quite a few others who were absolute tools. Even though most of us don't personally know any celebs, I'd bet good money all of us see a few of them as truly good people even though they don't actually know them. [/quote]

I understand your point. I guess I just wouldn't make a comment about someone unless I really KNEW them. For instance, I grew up with Mike Glavine, (Tom's younger brother), and I knew Tom very well since he was always around...we used to all play wiffleball together. I liked him at first. After years of him having success in MLB, he became an asshole. Lots of people have no clue who he is, and to this day, people think he's a great guy cause he goes about his business very quietly and is about to hit 300 wins. He's not.

[quote]No matter how anyone spins this, this was something I don't think anyone could see coming.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100% there.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;322177]I understand your point for the most part, but I have to ask. Out of pure curiosity have you ever ben a fan of wrestling? Much less have you followed wrestling when Benoit was big? [/quote]

I haven't watched wrestling since Andre the Giant / Jimmy Superfly / Hulk Hogan with a slice of Randy Macho Man Savage roamed the planet. I really started to stop watching it when I realized there was some guys in an office somewhere smoking weed and coming up with these crazy themes and schemes. To me there is definitely a part of it that is entertainment. The other parts of it are soooo fake that I refuse to watch now. I guess I just grew up and out of that phase.

[quote]If a fan feels that a wrestler is a good family man it is usually what the fan finds out about the wrestler on his own. Not what Jim Ross or Jerry "the King" Lawler say on a broadcast of Monday night RAW or what Vinny Mac decides as the out come of a match or the next story line... [/quote]

Again, unless you are actually his friend, you don't know him.

[quote]Best example, look at Terry "Hulk" Hogan. When he was with the nWo, he was a total heel. But after seeing "Hogan Knows Best" I really dont think that when he was a heel that he was a bad family man, him being a heel was all part of the act... And by the way his daughter is HOT... And so is his wife for being an older chick...[/QUOTE]

haha, I never saw that. I hear he's a nice guy, but again, I don't have a clue.

I think we all agree this was a tragedy, and I feel for the families of the child and wife...but I think Chris was a horrible person for what he did, and even though you shouldn't judge someone by one act in their life, it's hard not to after what he did.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;322567]Again, unless you are actually his friend, you don't know him.[/QUOTE] You are 100% right, but like I said, usually a fan will dig into a person's life and make up their own mind as to whether or not that person is a family guy or an asshole. Much like you said about Tom Glavin, most think that he is respectable, but to someone who knows him he is an ass. I mean look at T.O. to most he is an per-maddona, but I am sure that there are some that veiw him as a decent person. At the end of the day I guess it is just a fan's opinion.



[QUOTE=jsarno] I think we all agree this was a tragedy, and I feel for the families of the child and wife...but I think Chris was a horrible person for what he did, and even though you shouldn't judge someone by one act in their life, it's hard not to after what he did.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree that it is a tragedy for what happened to his child and wife, but mostly his child. And for Chris or anyone to do that to a family, well lets just say that suicide is way to kind for a person like that...

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Ok, this is really strange:
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html]FOXNews.com - Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News[/url]

It appears that news of Benoit's wife's death was reported on the web 13 hours before police discovered the bodies. That is really, really wierd.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;322634]Ok, this is really strange:
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html]FOXNews.com - Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News[/url]

It appears that news of Benoit's wife's death was reported on the web 13 hours before police discovered the bodies. That is really, really wierd.[/QUOTE] How stragne is it that the person who editted the Wiki page was located in Stamford, CT which is where the WWE headquarters are located?

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12:01am is kind of conspicuous, kinda like someone knew what happened, and waited until Monday morning to hit send...kinda like someone could have logged into a server in Stamford, from let's say Georgia to make that posting to Wiki...

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this story is getting more strange by the day

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I smell coverup...someone was trying to hide something.

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie;322660]I smell coverup...someone was trying to hide something.[/QUOTE]

By posting something on a widely used interent site?

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Now the person who posted the info 12 hours before the death is saying it was all a coincidence.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287383,00.html]FOXNews.com - Benoit Death Notice Posting May Have Been Coincidence - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News[/url]

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there is no way that was a coincidence. this story keeps getting weirder by the minute. have they released any of the text messages Benoit sent over the weekend?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;322728]there is no way that was a coincidence. this story keeps getting weirder by the minute. have they released any of the text messages Benoit sent over the weekend?[/QUOTE]

yeah. I don't remember them verbatim but it was really weird stuff like "The side door is open" "My adress is XXXXX" "The dog is in the garage"

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sounds like some kind of code. i cant wait for the toxicology reports to get back. he had to be doing something

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How do we even know they are really dead? Given the history of wrestling to pull off acts, could this be just a huge elaborate joke that has gone horribly wrong.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;322792]How do we even know they are really dead? Given the history of wrestling to pull off acts, could this be just a huge elaborate joke that has gone horribly wrong.[/QUOTE]

Dewd, pass me some of what yer smoking.
lol

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[QUOTE=jsarno;322792]How do we even know they are really dead? Given the history of wrestling to pull off acts, could this be just a huge elaborate joke that has gone horribly wrong.[/QUOTE]

That would be horrificly vile and disgusting if that were true (and I don't believe it is), and the WWE should be immediately dissolved as a company.

Who would joke about a 7 year-old child being murdered by his father

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;322795]That would be horrificly vile and disgusting if that were true (and I don't believe it is), and the WWE should be immediately dissolved as a company.

Who would joke about a 7 year-old child being murdered by his father[/QUOTE]


I absolutely agree with you, but how is it it was posted several hours before it actually happened? Just trying to think outside the box.