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[quote=FRPLG;329919]I don't buy this argument. He still gets covered by LBs and safeties, not CBs. I am not convinced that he gets too much greater attention than does any other top tier TE.[/quote]Agree. No teams going to be all like "Alge Crumpler?! Lets change everything we've worked on up to this point to prepare for him!"

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Put Crumpler on any other team and he is no more than average. IMO he drops way to many balls.

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[quote=FRPLG;329919]I don't buy this argument. He still gets covered by LBs and safeties, not CBs. I am not convinced that he gets too much greater attention than does any other top tier TE.[/quote]LB and safeties that have to watch for Vick's running ability first. The Falcons have proved for years that him running is the only way they can be successful. They won't beat you with Vick's arm, thats for sure.

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[quote=GTripp0012;329323]Shockey is pretty awful. He can't block, he doesn't have the best hands, and hes undisciplined. He runs his mouth a lot, and for whatever reason, the media associates that with having skill.

Witten has a very different game than Cooley. Very smart player. It's all about personal preference at TE, but I don't think Witten's skill set is too much different than your run of the mill TE. Certainly in my mind inferior to Cooley's.

I don't think I could make an argument for Cooley over the other 3, (Save of course, "YAC is really REALLY important". It is.) Crumpler's a better blocker, and the other two have really had off the hook production.

I think you are underrating Heap a bit (and obviously Cooley), but its no biggie.[/quote]

Good post man, I love reading your stuff Gtripp. I didn't really know how to word my thoughts, but this pretty much sums it up.

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[quote=GTripp0012;329435]I'd agree.

Thats really saying something though, he's pretty well respected around the league. It's just that his name doesn't come up when you talk about the leagues best offensive player...and it really should.

Now he's not nearly as valuable as a great QB or a great RB, but hes really dominant with respect to his position.[/quote]

I concur, at the least he should have made the ProBowl. But the ProBowl players aren't the greatest either, so what can you do. Winning usually solves everything. Once your team is winning and seen winning in the national spotlight it doesn't matter if you taper off the next few seasons, your name will be cemented in the American household.

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[quote=12thMan;329315]I take Cooley over Crumpler, Witten and definitely Shockey.[/quote]

I agree with the Shockley analysis. But Crumpler and Witten are atleast as good as Cooley. Don't let your faith blind you.

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[quote=Monksdown;330589]I agree with the Shockley analysis. But Crumpler and Witten are atleast as good as Cooley. Don't let your faith blind you.[/quote]

[COLOR=black]Tellya what, compare their respective stats over past two seasons, and get back to me with your analysis.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black]Also, there isn't one TE in all of football I'd rather have in the open field over Chris Cooley; Not one.[/COLOR]

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K2 is not getting the credit that he should, in my mind he is def a top 5 TE

My top 5 (in no order)

Kellen Winslow
Antonio Gates
Todd Heap
Tony Gonzolez
Jeremy Shokey

Witten and Cooley are probably tied for 6, my problem with cooley is all his dropped passes this past year. Which Shockey has also but Shockey seems to be bigger, faster, more clutch, and a better red zone target

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Shockey is up there with Vick on my all-overrated team.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;330746]K2 is not getting the credit that he should, in my mind he is def a top 5 TE

My top 5 (in no order)

Kellen Winslow
Antonio Gates
Todd Heap
Tony Gonzolez
Jeremy Shokey

Witten and Cooley are probably tied for 6, my problem with cooley is all his dropped passes this past year. Which Shockey has also but Shockey seems to be bigger, faster, more clutch, and a better red zone target[/quote]

I don't get the fascination with Winslow. He's been injured most of his short career, and yes, he had a really good season last year.

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[quote=12thMan;330755]I don't get the fascination with Winslow. He's been injured most of his short career, and yes, he had a really good season last year.[/quote]

I agree... he's had 1 good year. If he does it again this year I'll give him props, but as of right now his body of work just isn't significant enough to rank him in the top 5.

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[quote=12thMan;330593][COLOR=black]Tellya what, compare their respective stats over past two seasons, and get back to me with your analysis.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Also, there isn't one TE in all of football I'd rather have in the open field over Chris Cooley; Not one.[/COLOR][/quote]

[U]Tight End 2005(yds/gm) /2006(yds/gm) /Total [I]2 year[/I] TD's[/U]
Cooley 48.4 /45.9 /13
Witten 47.3 /47.1 /7
Shockey 59.4 /41.5 /14
Crumpler 54.8 /48.8 /13

So i was off point on td's for witten. But Crumpler has gotten more out of each game over the last two years than Cooley.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;329351]you can take who ever you like doesn't mean you're right[/quote]


Even Parcells said he would take Cooley over Witten.

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[quote=Mattyk72;330750]Shockey is up there with Vick on my all-overrated team.[/quote]


Does Vince young back up Vick on that squad?

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[quote=angryssg;331023]Does Vince young back up Vick on that squad?[/quote]


While they are handing the ball off to Reggie Bush and throwing to Calvin Johnson.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;331026]While they are handing the ball off to Reggie Bush and throwing to Calvin Johnson.[/quote]


I have to disagree with SS. THAT was your best post EVER! I think that was the first time that you ever made me laugh.

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[quote=angryssg;331030]I have to disagree with SS. THAT was your best post EVER! I think that was the first time that you ever made me laugh.[/quote]


I am on fire the past 2 days. Hope it doesnt wear off.

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cooley should maybe be in the top 5 no lower than 7th.