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Within Goodell's policy is a clause stating that if you're a repeat offender of the conduct policy, your due process need not be played out in order to receive a suspension. That's what happened with Pac Man and Henry. They were repeat offenders, with several arrests and run-ins with the law, and hence Goodell did not wait for verdicts to be rendered on their latest cases; he went ahead and suspended them.

This is where it gets interesting for Vick. He is not a repeat offender in the same way that Pac Man and Henry are. Sure Vick had the water bottle with the hidden compartment, and he gave the finger to the fans, but neither of those situations ever brought on an arrest or charges from the cops. So technically, this is Vick's first run-in with the law. And Goodell's policy clearly states; if you're a first time offender, you will be allowed your due process before a suspension is levied.

I think Goodell has to let this one play out. Then when he's eventually convicted (based on the evidence in the indictment, I'd be SHOCKED if he wasn't convicted), he'll get at least a season ban if not more.

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[quote=Warpath;330090]This article has some horrible stuff in it...
...Fifty-four pit bulls were recovered from the property during searches in April, [B]along with a "rape stand," used to hold dogs in place for mating[/B]; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.
...Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents. The property has an above-ground swimming pool, and investigators were seen looking into the pool Friday.
...investigators uncovered the graves of seven pit bulls that were killed...

Im not sure what actually happens when a person gets indicted. Does that mean there will be a trial? As a dog owner I can't see how people can do this and think its horrific. I hope Vick goes down, not because I don't like him but because hes famous and maybe they can make a big deal of out this so that people will know its not tolerated in the future.[/quote]

A "rape stand" more commonly reffered to as a breeding stand is a common tool in dog breeding, and not illegal anywhere (as far as i know). The media likes its nickname because it sounds cruel, but if you own a dog theres a good chance your pup was conceived with the help of this breeding tool. But maybe your dog is a "love puppy"

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For those of you questioning whether Vick will get convicted, you need to read the evidence. I'd like to know what defense a good attorney could possibly use to poke holes in the case?

It's impossible. There are tons of witnesses with tons of different accounts of wrongdoing.

And no, the prosecutors are not going to cut a deal with Vick to get him to roll on others. He's a public figure, and therefore the big dog (sorry for the pun). He's the guy the prosecutors want to take down; they're not going to cut a deal to go after a bunch of relative small timers.

As for the time in prison, I bet he hardly does any. But I think a conviction is in his future, and hence a major punishment from the NFL.

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[quote=Schneed10;330394]Within Goodell's policy is a clause stating that if you're a repeat offender of the conduct policy, your due process need not be played out in order to receive a suspension. That's what happened with Pac Man and Henry. They were repeat offenders, with several arrests and run-ins with the law, and hence Goodell did not wait for verdicts to be rendered on their latest cases; he went ahead and suspended them.

This is where it gets interesting for Vick. He is not a repeat offender in the same way that Pac Man and Henry are. Sure Vick had the water bottle with the hidden compartment, and he gave the finger to the fans, but neither of those situations ever brought on an arrest or charges from the cops. So technically, this is Vick's first run-in with the law. And Goodell's policy clearly states; if you're a first time offender, you will be allowed your due process before a suspension is levied.

I think Goodell has to let this one play out. Then when he's eventually convicted (based on the evidence in the indictment, I'd be SHOCKED if he wasn't convicted), he'll get at least a season ban if not more.[/quote]Does the conduct policy only refer to run-ins with the law. If not he isn't first time offender. Flipping the fans the finger last year should fall into the conduct policy somewhere.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;330397]Does the conduct policy only refer to run-ins with the law. If not he isn't first time offender. Flipping the fans the finger last year should fall into the conduct policy somewhere.[/quote]

Therein lies the gray area. We'll see how Goodell interprets it.

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[quote=jgalecpa;330199]This is from the NY Times:
[INDENT]The men indicted with Vick were Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor. The 18-page indictment alleged that in March 2003, Peace consulted with Vick about a dog that had lost a fight. After Peace and Vick spoke, Peace killed the losing dog by wetting down the animal with water and electrocuting it. In April of this year, the indictment alleged that Peace, Phillips and Vick killed about eight dogs who did not perform well in testing sessions.[/INDENT]
This puts Vick right in the heart of it.

I hope PETA has protests at every game/practice/autograph signing/etc he goes too.

Remember, he was charged with 'creating mayhem' at a bowling alley before he was even in college.

Quality guy.[/quote]
The bowling alley fight was not Vick it was Alvin Iverson. He started a fight which had him throwing chairs around and he was convicted and thrown in jail. Then Virginia's governor Doug Wilder gave him a pardon to get him out of jail so he could either play college basketball or go to the pros.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;330228]I was talking about the stupid story about him breaking a dog's back. Your mind is already made up (based on zero factual knowledge by the way) so it isn't even worth discussing with you.

Like I said before. Is anyone considering the source? I am sure the people who are going to testify are upstanding members of society who just felt like doing a good deed by giving up information on him.

"Government of the people for the people by the people" We aren't the government? Sit on granddad's knee so I can help you find a clue.[/quote]

First of all, who's mind is made up? According to you, there is "zero" chance Vick gets convicted for this. Exactly what "factual knowledge" do you have about this case that we don't that makes you so sure?

Second, people have been convicted of far greater crimes with worse witnesses than what the government has lined up here. In an interview on ESPN last night they interviewed an informant who has already assisted the feds in numerous other cases leading to search warrants and convictions.

Third, I'm not sure I understand the point of your quote, as the quote is meant to refer to our democratic system of representative governement (not the court systems), but in any event, the fact that Vick's jury will be comprised of members of the public actually works against your argument that he won't be convicted of these crimes. The fact that we are all horrified by the accusations made against Vick and that we all have the common sense to put two plus two together to figure out what really happened here doesn't bode well for Vick.

I mean come on, there are absolute facts here that just don't add up to a "not-guilty" verdict. Vick comes into money for the first time in his life, immediately sets about buying a property that is unquestionably used for dog fighting based on the condition of the property and the instruments found there, numerous witnesses come forward placing Vick at dog fights, and we're supposed to believe he didn't know what was going on? Give me a break. Please tell me one single fact you've heard that tends to prove his innocence.

Finally, as for the "urban legend", the indictment notes that at least one dog was killed by Vick and company by slamming the dog's body to the ground. You might want to read through the whole indictment before you come to this scumbag's defense.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;330405]First of all, who's mind is made up? According to you, there is "zero" chance Vick gets convicted for this. Exactly what "factual knowledge" do you have about this case that we don't that makes you so sure?

Second, people have been convicted of far greater crimes with worse witnesses than what the government has lined up here. In an interview on ESPN last night they interviewed an informant who has already assisted the feds in numerous other cases leading to search warrants and convictions.

Third, I'm not sure I understand the point of your quote, as the quote is meant to refer to our democratic system of representative governement (not the court systems), but in any event, the fact that Vick's jury will be comprised of members of the public actually works against your argument that he won't be convicted of these crimes. The fact that we are all horrified by the accusations made against Vick and that we all have the common sense to put two plus two together to figure out what really happened here doesn't bode well for Vick.

I mean come on, there are absolute facts here that just don't add up to a "not-guilty" verdict. Vick comes into money for the first time in his life, immediately sets about buying a property that is unquestionably used for dog fighting based on the condition of the property and the instruments found there, numerous witnesses come forward placing Vick at dog fights, and we're supposed to believe he didn't know what was going on? Give me a break. Please tell me one single fact you've heard that tends to prove his innocence.

Finally, as for the "urban legend", the indictment notes that at least one dog was killed by Vick and company by slamming the dog's body to the ground. You might want to read through the whole indictment before you come to this scumbag's defense.[/quote]So you know the witnesses? LOL

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[url]http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/vick0717.pdf[/url]

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;330228]I was talking about the stupid story about him breaking a dog's back. Your mind is already made up (based on zero factual knowledge by the way) so it isn't even worth discussing with you.

The Duke lacrosse players were indicted too. How did that work out?

Like I said before. Is anyone considering the source? I am sure the people who are going to testify are upstanding members of society who just felt like doing a good deed by giving up information on him.

What problems with the law. Oh yeah, the water bottle incident where he wasn't charged with a single thing. Another public opinion case that he lost.

"Government of the people for the people by the people" We aren't the government? Sit on granddad's knee so I can help you find a clue.[/quote]


A VT alumn?

The guy is in this, and in it DEEP! you would be niave to thing he isn't. Who pays for all this stuff at the house when not a single one of those fools are employed? Who paid for the house when his boys scoped it out and said this would be good. the 18 page document seemed to be pretty specific about a lot of the details. It sounded to me like they have the written proof putting Vick some what involved in this mess. They seem to have 4 witnesses putting Vick at the fights, agreeing to monetary bets, and killing the dogs.
The Duke Lacross thing was a little different. there was no evidence those kids did anything from the get go. All of that was based on what she said - he said crap. And you saw what happened to that prosecutor! I believe the Feds took their time gathering the evidence. They obviously have some pretty definative proof of Vicks involvement.

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[quote=firstdown;330409]So you know the witnesses? LOL[/quote]

Not personally. From what I've read in the indictment and seen on the ESPN interviews, however, I'd feel pretty good as the federal prosecutor taking this one to trial. It's not like these witnesses are death row inmates or convicts. One witness is an informant for the feds.....pretty solid there. Another sold pit bulls to Vick. Another has testified that he fought Vick's dogs and WON $23,000 from him, (so much for that theory that the witness is probably just someone who lost everything on the wrong dog). Another witness fought Vick's dog and WON a $7,000 purse and $4,000 side bet with Vick. In fact, if you read through the whole indictment, Vick is overall about as piss poor at breeding and fighting pit bulls as he is at being and NFL QB.

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[quote=#56fanatic;330411]A VT alumn?

The guy is in this, and in it DEEP! you would be niave to thing he isn't. Who pays for all this stuff at the house when not a single one of those fools are employed? Who paid for the house when his boys scoped it out and said this would be good. the 18 page document seemed to be pretty specific about a lot of the details. It sounded to me like they have the written proof putting Vick some what involved in this mess. They seem to have 4 witnesses putting Vick at the fights, agreeing to monetary bets, and killing the dogs.
The Duke Lacross thing was a little different. there was no evidence those kids did anything from the get go. All of that was based on what she said - he said crap. And you saw what happened to that prosecutor! I believe the Feds took their time gathering the evidence. They obviously have some pretty definative proof of Vicks involvement.[/quote]
Up until a couple of days ago, everybody thought Vick wouldn't be indicted. Hell, The Surry County prosecutor didn't know anything about it until the Feds released the info. I really like how Feds handled this whole thing. The made sure they had all their ducks in a row before playing their hand. I can't imagine in any cicumstances MV getting off from this. If I was on the Jury(and i know I have only read a portion of the prosecutions case so far) I would have a hard time believeing he is not guilty as sin.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;330410][URL]http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/vick0717.pdf[/URL][/quote]This is a copy of the indictment.
I should have mentioned this when I first posted it.

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[quote=#56fanatic;330411]The Duke Lacross thing was a little different. there was no evidence those kids did anything from the get go. All of that was based on what she said - he said crap. And you saw what happened to that prosecutor! I believe the Feds took their time gathering the evidence. They obviously have some pretty definative proof of Vicks involvement.[/quote]

Absolutely. The difference between a federal prosecutor and a local city prosecutor is like the difference between a Honda and a Rolls Royce. The Feds are not going to screw this up, and there is no way they even bother indicting him without some strong evidence. The Feds will be able to expend as much time and resources as they need to prosecute this case.

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WOW!!! if we can indict vick then.....
can we indict bush on murder charges as well??

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;330425]Absolutely. The difference between a federal prosecutor and a local city prosecutor is like the difference between a Honda and a Rolls Royce. The Feds are not going to screw this up, and there is no way they even bother indicting him without some strong evidence. The Feds will be able to expend as much time and resources as they need to prosecute this case.[/QUOTE]

i don't believe a word a fed or cia agent says....there all scum

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;330423]This is a copy of the indictment.
I should have mentioned this when I first posted it.[/QUOTE]

Wow, that looks pretty bad. However, I'm sure a decent defense team can find a way to distance Vick from these guys or make it seem as if Vick were forced into participating or something like that, I don't know. Where's JoeRedskin when you need him?

If that document is true, it doesn't look good for Vick.

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[quote=Dirty_Landry;330427]i don't believe a word a fed or cia agent says....there all scum[/quote]No offense D L but your first 2 post were pretty much meaningless.I hope that isn't a sign of things to come. Nowhere to go but up I guess.


Anyways, welcome! Go skins!

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Just finished reading the indictment. Vick looks fubar'd in this one. I note that he's not listed as killing any dogs. Is this because of possible stiffer sentencing that accompanies such? As long as the witness' stories stick.

What's the over/under for how long before we hear the conviction and follo-up sentencing? I say 18 months before conviction/sentencing.

EDIT: just re-read and at the bottom it says: "In or about April of 2007, Peace, Phillips and Vick executed approximately eight dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

Yup, FUBAR'd

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When i was reading the indictment I counted [B]4 cooperating witnesses[/B]. In every case it was first had contact with Vick at or regarding dog fights. He is so screwed, if he wants to see the feild again he will be singing about everything he knows, cooperating with his deal that the feds might offer him.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;330431]No offense D L but your first 2 post were pretty much meaningless.I hope that isn't a sign of things to come. Nowhere to go but up I guess.


Anyways, welcome! Go skins![/QUOTE]

meaningless huh? oh sorry for that.....i didn't know people cared more about the life of their dogs than the lives over in iraq....but i guess if you don't see it than no harm huh.........sorry but i disagree with you, ain't nowhere to go but down from here buddy

its funny how americans thinking pattern goes when it comes to pets......if only we thought the same way for humans....thanxs for the welcome anyway, go skins!!

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[quote=Dirty_Landry;330437]meaningless huh? oh sorry for that.....i didn't know people cared more about the life of their dogs than the lives over in iraq....but i guess if you don't see it than no harm huh.........sorry but i disagree with you, ain't nowhere to go but down from here buddy

its funny how americans thinking pattern goes when it comes to pets......if only we thought the same way for humans....thanxs for the welcome anyway, go skins!![/quote]


welcome D.L.

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[QUOTE=Dirty_Landry;330437]meaningless huh? oh sorry for that.....i didn't know people cared more about the life of their dogs than the lives over in iraq....but i guess if you don't see it than no harm huh.........sorry but i disagree with you, ain't nowhere to go but down from here buddy

its funny how americans thinking pattern goes when it comes to pets......if only we thought the same way for humans....thanxs for the welcome anyway, go skins!![/QUOTE]

I don't think you understood at all what GibbsisGod was trying to say. No one is discrediting the value of human life. But allegations against Vick have nothing to do with sending an army to war. It was an inappropriate and irrelevant analogy. Then your second post was about the FBI and CIA being scum. Not a good start.

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[quote=Dirty_Landry;330427]i don't believe a word a fed or cia agent says....there all scum[/quote]

Well, at least in your short time here you've shown that you're not prone to unqualified, blanket generalizations or anything.

And it's "they're." Just figured you'd like to know the grammatically correct way to insult an entire group of people.

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[quote=SmootSmack;330455]I don't think you understood at all what GibbsisGod was trying to say. No one is discrediting the value of human life. But allegations against Vick have nothing to do with sending an army to war. It was an inappropriate and irrelevant analogy. Then your second post was about the FBI and CIA being scum. Not a good start.[/quote]
I'll agree with that. If you want to bring politics into this then take it to the parking lot where politics is fine.

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[QUOTE=skinsWill;330435] He is so screwed, if he wants to see the feild again he will be singing about everything he knows, cooperating with his deal that the feds might offer him.[/QUOTE]

I don't get it, who will Vick be "singing" on? Does Vick answer to someone else? Let's face it here folks, Vick it the "big cheese" here in this case. He is the one that the Fed's are really looking to take down. He is the one that funded the whole operation. If anything the others are the one that are gonna do the singing on Vick... You know things like it was his idea and what not...

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[quote=Redskins8588;330465]I don't get it, who will Vick be "singing" on? Does Vick answer to someone else? Let's face it here folks, Vick it the "big cheese" here in this case. He is the one that the Fed's are really looking to take down. He is the one that funded the whole operation. If anything the others are the one that are gonna do the singing on Vick... You know things like it was his idea and what not...[/quote]


Well in the indictment it lists names of [B]MANY other kennels in MANY other states[/B]... dont you think if the feds could get the "Big Cheese" Vick to start naming names and locations as to where the MANY other rings are still operating to save his own ass? im sure they would be more than willing to offer a deal for the information that could potentially stop other dog fighting operations in 5 different states.

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[QUOTE=skinsWill;330466]Well in the indictment it lists names of [B]MANY other kennels in MANY other states[/B]... dont you think if the feds could get the "Big Cheese" Vick to start naming names and locations as to where the MANY other rings are still operating to save his own ass? im sure they would be more than willing to offer a deal for the information that could potentially stop other dog fighting operations in 5 different states.[/QUOTE]

Who's to say that Vick isn't the "big cheese"?
This whole thing makes me sick, someone has to have a seriously black heart to do this, I hope he never plays football again.

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Grim,

I'm not exactly sure why you seem to get emotional whenever someone utters Vick's name. Just because he hasn't been convicted, it doesn't necessarily follow that we cannot speculate about his moral fiber. We're not sitting on the jury and he will get his "due process."

PS - Nice that you refer to the dogs that Vick allegedly killed as those "stinkin' dogs."

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all the fame but doen,t want the glory......what a waste he has become and it,s a shame.

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[QUOTE=skinsWill;330466]Well in the indictment it lists names of [B]MANY other kennels in MANY other states[/B]... dont you think if the feds could get the "Big Cheese" Vick to start naming names and locations as to where the MANY other rings are still operating to save his own ass? im sure they would be more than willing to offer a deal for the information that could potentially stop other dog fighting operations in 5 different states.[/QUOTE]

Why would the feds give the option only to Vick to rat out the other operations? Why wouldn't they pressure Vicks cronies into releasing the information? That way the feds not only take down Vick, but also get the other kennels. I am sure that Vick isn't the only one that can start naming names and locations...

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The sad part of this is that kids do look up to these guys. Vick came from the projects and how many kids have watch him become a star and had dreams of becoming a football player like Vick. My nephew started going to his first football games when Vick was playing VT and he became a hugh fan of Vicks. I cannot even count the stuff he has had signed by Vick as a VT player and a couple of things from Atlanta. Now he is thinking that he needs to take down all his Vick stuff because of what he has done. I talked to him last night and he said even if Vick does not get charged he cannot ever support him again. I asked my sister if he did not decide to take down his Vick stuff would she make him? Right now she has not decided.

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[QUOTE=birdz4gibbs;330490]all the fame but doen,t want the glory......what a waste he has become and it,s a shame.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, you gotta start using apostrophes correctly. This is kind of an eye sore

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;330209]Anyone who thinks that Vick will do time over this, don't hold your breath or you will end up in the dirt like those stinkin' dogs.

I am sure that their star witnesses are upstanding citizens. Probably guys who have been busted for drugs or lost their family members money betting on the wrong dog.

Now, he may get suspended, but he will do 0 that is z e r o time.

Now the fact that Goodell would be out of line for him suspending a first time offender over this is a completely different argument.[/quote]

Not sure what you have against dogs dude?

Vick is no first time offender. He's done in the NFL this year and maybe more......

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;330499]Seriously, you gotta start using apostrophes correctly. This is kind of an eye sore[/QUOTE]what,s the problem? I,d say that there isn,t a problem with his typing. i,d say that it,s you that seems to have the problem. Why aren,t you nicer to the new guy? what,s your deal?

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After reading all 18 pages of the indictment I can’t see much of a defense for Vick and his gang. This whole thing makes me sick. Like jsarno already said you really must have a black heart, or be a sociopath to treat animals this way. I mean they really couldn’t find something else to bet on? Killing dogs in this fashion is deplorable. Especially for no other reason but the dog not testing well. This behavior is so cruel to me that I can’t even begin to understand it. Would it have been that hard to give the dog away? At least the humane society would euthanize the poor thing in a civil fashion. You don’t have to electrocute it or heaven forbid slam it to the ground until it dies. I have less then zero respect for Vick and I seriously hope that the NFL suspends him for life. If him playing more games in the league doesn’t give the NFL a black eye then I don’t know what will. I guess they could let O.J be commissioner. But other then murder not much else can top this. You must really have some mental issues if you can find pleasure in making other animals suffer. Screw Vick and anyone who defends this kind of behavior.

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Man, Michael Vick’s stature here in Atlanta is falling faster than Jessica Simpson’s boobs (they are “real” you know). Regardless of the fact that he is entitled to his constitutional rights and has yet to have his day in court, as I’ve said many times to my kids: you are judged by the company you keep and you can often be perceived as guilty just by association alone. Unfortunately, Vick has been surrounded by some rather unsavory company and his image, and probably his career, will most likely be irreparable. Personally, I believe Vick is at the very least guilty of allowing this deplorable activity on property he owns, and most likely financed the operation among other things. The Falcon’s faithful here (not me) have long memories, and among the many dim-witted things Vick has committed, the “one fingered salute” last season still reigns as top of the heap. Michael “Con”Vick (thanks Colin Cowterd-anyone else think he sounds like Sylvester the cat on Looney Tunes?) has left the building.

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[QUOTE=Riggo44;330514]After reading all 18 pages of the indictment I can’t see much of a defense for Vick and his gang. This whole thing makes me sick. Like someone already said you really must have a black heart, or be a sociopath to treat animals this way. I mean they really couldn’t find something else to bet on? Killing dogs in this fashion is deplorable. Especially for no other reason but the dog not testing well. This behavior is so cruel to me that I can’t even begin to understand it. Would it have been that hard to give the dog away? At least the humane society would euthanize the poor thing in a civil fashion. You don’t have to electrocute it or heaven forbid slam it to the ground until it dies. I have less then zero respect for Vick and I seriously hope that the NFL suspends him for life. If him playing more games in the league doesn’t give the NFL a black eye then I don’t know what will. I guess they could let O.J be commissioner. But other then murder not much else can top this. You must really have some mental issues if you can find pleasure in making other animals suffer. Screw Vick and anyone who defends this kind of behavior.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree...by the way it was me that made the black heart comment.
It really angers me. I haven't been this pissed at a peice of news in a long time.
I hope he never gets to play football again...and if he does, I hope everyone boos him every time he touches the ball.

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ps. Do you thing the Chargers made a good trade in the 2001 draft? Vick or L.T? With hindsight being 20/20 that sure isn’t to tough.lol

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[quote=Redskins8588;330495]Why would the feds give the option only to Vick to rat out the other operations? Why wouldn't they pressure Vicks cronies into releasing the information? That way the feds not only take down Vick, but also get the other kennels. I am sure that Vick isn't the only one that can start naming names and locations...[/quote]


Thats a great post there 8588, I just feel that since Vick was the ringleader of this little circus, the feds would think that HE would have the contacts in the other rings that were mentioned, but i did also notice that his cousin Devon Boddie who was the one they were coming after for the drug raid, and was the one, admittedly, took primary residence in the house was not indicted.... i thought that was seriously odd!