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[quote=jsarno;330355]LOL, he'll still start the 16th game to get the practice, but come out around half time.[/quote]


or after the first snap.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;330353]I don't recall that Ramsey got benched for poor performance. If I remember correctly, he had over a 100 yards in a quarter and a half and had thrown for one touchdown (called back through no fault of Ramsey's) when he was benched for almost the whole season. I also remember that in Ramsey's last game as a Redskin he had a quarterback rating of about 180 and led the Skins in a playoff win against the Giants, only to then be benched for good and traded.

The Skins should pick up Culpepper, but they won't. Once again, Gibbs' judgment about Brunell is in the way of sanity as well as being a monumental irritant. Campbell goes down, Skins go down. We have the weakest backup in the NFL. I'd give five Brunells and faily decent bucks for Culpepper. I'd also cut our other worthless backup and bring up Casey for the third option.[/QUOTE]

I don't remember the Redskins playing the Giants in a playoff

I think Brunell's value to the team (there I go again talking about Brunell) is greatly underappreciated by the masses. He's not being asked to lead the team on the field. He's there to play when needed but most importantly to help Campbell, sort of serve as another coach and a mentor. I still maintain that in both those categories he's much better than Culpepper. Campbell has spoken highly of him and Brunell has done a very good job of mimicing other offenses in practice

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;330351]When is the last time he missed any significant playing time during a meaningful game? Or Tom Brady?

Unless we're not serious about Campbell, I don't think there is anything to gain from signing Culpepper to be a backup.[/QUOTE]

OK, while they haven't...nor Favre...how many other qb's do that?

Look at our division, While Eli played all 16, McNabb played in 10, Garcia 8, and Feeley 2 for the eagles, and for the cowboys Bledsoe played in 6 games before homo came about.

FYI- Vinny Testicle and Matt Cassell did have a combined 11 attempts for the Patriots.

Look at Denver, Jacksonville, Minnesota, Miami, K.C. and there are plenty more. Now a days, you NEED a back up QB.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;330361]OK, while they haven't...nor Favre...how many other qb's do that?

Look at our division, While Eli played all 16, McNabb played in 10, Garcia 8, and Feeley 2 for the eagles, and for the cowboys Bledsoe played in 6 games before homo came about.

FYI- Vinny Testicle and Matt Cassell did have a combined 11 attempts for the Patriots.

Look at Denver, Jacksonville, Minnesota, Miami, K.C. and there are plenty more. Now a days, you NEED a back up QB.[/QUOTE]

I doubt they were 11 attempts of any significance. Anyway, look at it this way the final four teams to make the playoffs last year-Bears, Saints, Pats, and Colts each started one quarterback all season long.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;330359]I don't remember the Redskins playing the Giants in a playoff. [/quote]

Well, Ramsey NEVER played a playoff game.
Here's the proof:
[url=http://www.profootball-reference.com/players/RamsPa00.htm]Patrick Ramsey statistics - pro-football-reference.com[/url]
Scroll down and you will see no postseason data.
Now, in 05, he did play the last game of the season vs the Giants...that might be what he is referring to. But going 5 for 7 is not someone that is worthy of anything. Even in 05, his rating was not over 100...it was 95.3, but he only had 25 attempts all season, so it's not like there was enough to go by.
In 04- 74.8
03- 75.8
02- 71.8

[quote]I think Brunell's value to the team (there I go again talking about Brunell) is greatly underappreciated by the masses. He's not being asked to lead the team on the field. He's there to play when needed but most importantly to help Campbell, sort of serve as another coach and a mentor. I still maintain that in both those categories he's much better than Culpepper. Campbell has spoken highly of him and Brunell has done a very good job of mimicing other offenses in practice[/QUOTE]

Chemistry wise, I will agree...but again, if Campbell goes down, we literally have NO shot. We are putting all our apples in one basket.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;330363]I doubt they were 11 attempts of any significance. Anyway, look at it this way the final four teams to make the playoffs last year-Bears, Saints, Pats, and Colts each started one quarterback all season long.[/QUOTE]

Well, sort of...Griese did play significant time for the bears in weeks 16 and 17. And to use the Bears is weak due to the fact that Grossman was weak for the a lot of the season yet they still won. They won with an amazing D.
Also, Jamie Martin played week 17 in place of Brees, and lost. But they didn't need a win there, so it really shouldn't count I guess.
Your point is more valid only if you point out that those teams have the best of the best behind center (minus the Bears who had the best of the best on D). Manning and Brady are sure fire HOFers, and Brees is on his way. The majority of teams need a backup.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;330353]I don't recall that Ramsey got benched for poor performance. If I remember correctly, he had over a 100 yards in a quarter and a half and had thrown for one touchdown (called back through no fault of Ramsey's) when he was benched for almost the whole season. I also remember that in Ramsey's last game as a Redskin he had a quarterback rating of about 180 and led the Skins in a playoff win against the Giants, only to then be benched for good and traded.[/quote]

Actually he had a 49.4 QB rating when he was benched, 1 INT, 2 fumbles, and was sacked twice. That's about as poor as you can get.

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1. It's funny how a "What happens to DC" thread switches to "QB's of our past" thread.
2. Ramsey's did start to suck pretty bad, but then again not every sack is the QB's fault. If I recall correctly even the announcers were pointing out the the O-line wasn't given him a hand getting up, like they were for MB. Even they didn't have faith in him anymore. He needed to be pulled.
3. ALL of our apple's are in one basket with JC, and if (God Forbid) he goes down, it's not looking good for us.
4. But, once again "We are always Super Bowl Continders in July".

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I think he's gotta go to Atlanta. Vick is probably going to be suspended and that would be a good opportunity for him to try to get on the field and produce something, anything, that will make people want to bring him in again next season.

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All this talk about Ramsey is driving me nuts...he aint even on the team...his is average at best...remember, he couldn't even do anything with the JETS!
UGH...it was a good move to let him go...Say what you like about Brunell, but he DID get us to the playoffs for the first time in FOREVER.
He will be a good backup, he knows how to win and remember he stunk most when the offense was brand new. (dont get me wrong...he shouldn't be starting)

Regarding Culpepper, the Skins aint gunna touch him. All they should be concerned about is who is the 3rd QB.

My main concern with Culpepper is the NFC East.
I dont want to see him here and put up Vikings numbers.
Is there any chance of him landing in the East?

Having Culpepper as a backup/potential starter in the East could potentially hurt us.

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Where would he go in the East?

Everyone's QB situations in the division are pretty settled right now.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;330408]Where would he go in the East?

Everyone's QB situations in the division are pretty settled right now.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much everyone in the division could use a backup.

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[quote=jdlea;330412]Pretty much everyone in the division could use a backup.[/quote]

I think he'll be looking for a team where he has a chance to start next year, that's why I think somewhere like Jacksonville makes the most sense. Unless Leftwich blows up Culpepper would have an excellent chance of taking over that team next year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;330231]But they were letting the guy practice and work out until Green got in town. Then Green shows up and he can't do anything?? Sorry but that is wrong. If he is under contract, which DC was, then you can't lock the guy out of the facility.[/quote]
They let him work out because they did not know if they could sign Green and there was still a chance he could have been their QB. When they signed Green it was known that he would now be traded or cut. If he was injured while working out or doing something on at their facility they would have to pay him his money. Why would they want to risk that?

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I´ve been thinking of this scenario since the Fins traded for T.Green, which teams would be more likely to pick him up and which could be a good fit... Remember Culpepper is his own Agent so he'll only go to a team he thinks he can eventually start.
[B]
First Choice
Jacksonville[/B]
It's were all the rumors have come up, Leftwich and Garret are in their last year of their contracts and none have shown they deserve a new contract less along a big raise.

If Culpepper is healthy and he thinks he can win it before the season starts this will be his more likely spot it's a good team with playoffs possibilities only shortfall is bad receivers.

[B]Second
Kansas City[/B]
Right now they got an old backup veteran that they have taken away the starting job after a raise for a second year 3rd round QB with 0 experience if healthy this is the most logical because it would be the easiest way to win a job. even if ti means getting the ball mostly to your RB and TE.

[B]Third
Atlanta[/B]
With the recent Indictment of Vick the front office and new coach Petrino don't feel to comfortable with the future and image of their franchise QB and might make a bigger offer to Culpepper to go with them for security reasons. This would be a great spot because of money and recovery if needed if he doesn't think he can start right away there isn't an immediate pressure but a likelihood of staring in the possible future.

[B]Fourth[/B]
[B]Buffalo[/B]
J.P Losman has shown specially last year a little promise but still is to raw for a 3 year veteran the front office is a little worried because is starting to stick to a Carr/ Harrignton type of player. Again Culpepper wouldn't be pressured to start but could eventually take the Job if Losman Struggles

Let me know your toughts.

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Once Trent suffers another concussion before the season starts, DC will resign with them.

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[quote=firstdown;330424]They let him work out because they did not know if they could sign Green and there was still a chance he could have been their QB. When they signed Green it was known that he would now be traded or cut. If he was injured while working out or doing something on at their facility they would have to pay him his money. Why would they want to risk that?[/quote]

Then if they were so worried about him getting hurt cut him as soon as you sign Green. I believe you can't lock a guy out if he is under contract.

Why didn't KC lock out Green? His contract was 7.2 million. But they still let him come to OTA's and minicamp. Why? Becasue he was under contract.

KC handled it the right way. Miami and Tenn ( w/ McNair) did not.

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[quote=SmootSmack;330323]Definitely would rather have Brunell. Putting aside the fact that we don't know how Daunte's knees are, consider that we're-I assume-talking about signing Culpepper as a backup to Campbell (not to replace him). I want my backup, especially to a young QB like JC, to be able to serve as a mentor and know the offense.

Culpepper doesn't know this offense and I don't think he has any intention of being anyone's mentor. For the role the backup has to serve on our team, give me Brunell any day.[/quote]

Brunell is the best back-up in the league. Until he has to play.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ;330439]I´ve been thinking of this scenario since the Fins traded for T.Green, which teams would be more likely to pick him up and which could be a good fit... Remember Culpepper is his own Agent so he'll only go to a team he thinks he can eventually start.
[B]
First Choice
Jacksonville[/B]
It's were all the rumors have come up, Leftwich and Garret are in their last year of their contracts and none have shown they deserve a new contract less along a big raise.

If Culpepper is healthy and he thinks he can win it before the season starts this will be his more likely spot it's a good team with playoffs possibilities only shortfall is bad receivers.

[B]Second
Kansas City[/B]
Right now they got an old backup veteran that they have taken away the starting job after a raise for a second year 3rd round QB with 0 experience if healthy this is the most logical because it would be the easiest way to win a job. even if ti means getting the ball mostly to your RB and TE.

[B]Third
Atlanta[/B]
With the recent Indictment of Vick the front office and new coach Petrino don't feel to comfortable with the future and image of their franchise QB and might make a bigger offer to Culpepper to go with them for security reasons. This would be a great spot because of money and recovery if needed if he doesn't think he can start right away there isn't an immediate pressure but a likelihood of staring in the possible future.

[B]Fourth[/B]
[B]Buffalo[/B]
J.P Losman has shown specially last year a little promise but still is to raw for a 3 year veteran the front office is a little worried because is starting to stick to a Carr/ Harrignton type of player. Again Culpepper wouldn't be pressured to start but could eventually take the Job if Losman Struggles

Let me know your toughts.[/QUOTE]

Good post, but I think all this talk about Vick puts Atlanta as the front runner now. If I was in atlanta's shoes, I would be thinking about life after Vick at this point, especially since Vick never showed any ability to be a top notch qb.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;330415]I think he'll be looking for a team where he has a chance to start next year, that's why I think somewhere like Jacksonville makes the most sense. Unless Leftwich blows up Culpepper would have an excellent chance of taking over that team next year.[/QUOTE]

Culpepper would be 3rd though. Jacksonville does like Garard.

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[quote=SmootSmack;330323]Definitely would rather have Brunell. Putting aside the fact that we don't know how Daunte's knees are, consider that we're-I assume-talking about signing Culpepper as a backup to Campbell (not to replace him). I want my backup, especially to a young QB like JC, to be able to serve as a mentor and know the offense.

Culpepper doesn't know this offense and I don't think he has any intention of being anyone's mentor. For the role the backup has to serve on our team, give me Brunell any day.[/quote]I'd rather have a healthy Culpepper backup Campbell than Brunell, but you can't expect to acquire Culpepper with a contract that fits in the cap space created by releasing Brunell...so this is pretty much a non issue.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;330594]I'd rather have a healthy Culpepper backup Campbell than Brunell, but you can't expect to acquire Culpepper with a contract that fits in the cap space created by releasing Brunell...so this is pretty much a non issue.[/QUOTE]

If there was one person who was supposed to agree me with on this, it was you. You're just beggin' for a banning aren't you ;)

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[quote=SmootSmack;330595]If there was one person who was supposed to agree me with on this, it was you. You're just beggin' for a banning aren't you ;)[/quote]LOL

I am agreeing with you, but in sort of a round about way: Brunell is under contract with us, and Culpepper would cost a lot more. Therefore we keep Brunell (and thats the smart decision...if a decision at all).

Theres really no good reason to cut Brunell at any point now, he carries a large cap penalty number and his contract voids at the conclusion of the season anyway. There are 30-31 better fits for Daunte Culpepper than in Washington.

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It doesn't matter where he goes, he's not going to succeed. The guy is on questionable knees and will open his new team's playbook, if he is lucky, before the start of their training camp.

As for Ramsey, all I am going to say to the lovers and haters is...please stop.

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[B]
First Choice
Jacksonville[/B]

[B]Second
Kansas City[/B]

[B]Third
Atlanta[/B]

[B]Fourth[/B]
[B]Buffalo[/B]

I think if this was 2 weeks ago you'd be spot on. Now, though, It's Atlanta 1 with Jacksonville a distant 2 (if for no other reason than to stay in Florida because he would be the 4th best QB on the team). I doubt he plays backup outside in a cold city. If not Atlanta, I expect him to wait for a preseason injury. He foresees himself as one of the top QB's in the league and I would think he'd rather sit a season than play second.

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[quote=SmootSmack;330359]I don't remember the Redskins playing the Giants in a playoff

I think Brunell's value to the team (there I go again talking about Brunell) is greatly underappreciated by the masses. He's not being asked to lead the team on the field. He's there to play when needed but most importantly to help Campbell, sort of serve as another coach and a mentor. I still maintain that in both those categories he's much better than Culpepper. Campbell has spoken highly of him and Brunell has done a very good job of mimicing other offenses in practice[/quote]

Sorry. I should have said the game that got us in the playoffs, not the playoff Same point. Going back to an injured Brunell over Ramsey for the playoffs was truly blind. Not to pick up Culpepper because Brunell is still on the squard would be one of the worse moves in recent Redskin history.

If Campbell goes down this year I'm going to cry like two little girls and then perversely yet again suffer through Brunell's massively hopeless and irritating performances. He's been a menace to Gibb's legacy whether Gibbs knows it or not.

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Well we'll have to agree to disagree on that then. I am going to try as hard as possible to stick to my plan not to bring up the past with Brunell unless absolutely necessary.

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[quote=Mattyk72;330386]Actually he had a 49.4 QB rating when he was benched, 1 INT, 2 fumbles, and was sacked twice. That's about as poor as you can get.[/quote]

The sack and fumble was caused by Jansen's missed block and Ramsey's
subsequent unconsciously. The interception wasn't his fault either and I don't recall the other fumble. He was playing well and moving the ball and had just put us in scoring position for the second time when Jansen blew it.

Brunell stunk up the field for the rest of the game. Playing two and a half quarters he threw for less than a hundred yards and failed to move the ball. Gibbs, of course, was fine with that.

However, I'm bowing out on this matter now. I don't want to deal with this business again. Returning to a time when fans turned on a QB who was our leading ground gainer over a four year period in behalf of a coach who had made a horrible decision even to bring Brunell in for the first place is something I dont want to do.

Re: Fins Cut Culpepper...Who picks him up?
 

My guess:

1. Rams
2. Jags
3. Lions

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I wouldn't discount the Pats

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;330665]Sorry. I should have said the game that got us in the playoffs, not the playoff Same point. Going back to an injured Brunell over Ramsey for the playoffs was truly blind. Not to pick up Culpepper because Brunell is still on the squard would be one of the worse moves in recent Redskin history.

If Campbell goes down this year I'm going to cry like two little girls and then perversely yet again suffer through Brunell's massively hopeless and irritating performances. He's been a menace to Gibb's legacy whether Gibbs knows it or not.[/quote]


That game didnt get us there us winning the eagles game did.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;330675]I wouldn't discount the Pats[/QUOTE]

On paper maybe...but in actuality, they already spent a lot of money on high priced free agents, and I don't think they want someone to undermine Brady, cause you know Culpepper won't keep his mouth shut.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;330670]The sack and fumble was caused by Jansen's missed block and Ramsey's
subsequent unconsciously. The interception wasn't his fault either and I don't recall the other fumble. He was playing well and moving the ball and had just put us in scoring position for the second time when Jansen blew it.

Brunell stunk up the field for the rest of the game. Playing two and a half quarters he threw for less than a hundred yards and failed to move the ball. Gibbs, of course, was fine with that.

However, I'm bowing out on this matter now. I don't want to deal with this business again. Returning to a time when fans turned on a QB who was our leading ground gainer over a four year period in behalf of a coach who had made a horrible decision even to bring Brunell in for the first place is something I dont want to do.[/quote]

Yeah I know, same old story nothing was ever his fault. Brunell had a 70.5 QB rating in that game but yeah, he stunk. :doh:

I love Ramsey logic.

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[quote=Mattyk72;330714]Yeah I know, same old story nothing was ever his fault. Brunell had a 70.5 QB rating in that game but yeah, he stunk. :doh:

I love Ramsey logic.[/quote]

Traditionally, we never like the starter except for in the two weeks following a Super Bowl win. Babe Laufenberg? I expect to see the Bramlet thread started after beating the Dolphins but JC throws a pick.

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I saw this thread when it was first posted & it had some good posts - just info about where DC might go. I knew though, that it had to turn to a discussion of the skins picking him up. However, a ramsey tangent was a little unexpected.

Without taking sides in that debate, I'll just say that picking up Dante would be like picking up J. George in 2000. Remember how Brad Johnson reacted?
JC is our man & he has a working relationship w/Brunell, who at this point is no threat to take his job. Dante would want to compete for the starting job & would be unlikely to help JC the way MB does.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;330353]I don't recall that Ramsey got benched for poor performance. If I remember correctly, he had over a 100 yards in a quarter and a half and had thrown for one touchdown (called back through no fault of Ramsey's) when he was benched for almost the whole season. I also remember that in Ramsey's last game as a Redskin he had a quarterback rating of about 180 and led the Skins in a playoff win against the Giants, only to then be benched for good and traded.

The Skins should pick up Culpepper, but they won't. Once again, Gibbs' judgment about Brunell is in the way of sanity as well as being a monumental irritant. Campbell goes down, Skins go down. We have the weakest backup in the NFL. I'd give five Brunells and faily decent bucks for Culpepper. I'd also cut our other worthless backup and bring up Casey for the third option.[/quote]
Excellent I couldn't agree with you more .... What a crime Ramsey was wasted for that weak armed.... Gimp Brunell.....but it's more Unbelievable He is still a Back up....:vomit:

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The second I heard about Culpepper being released... Atlanta was the first team to come to mind.

Dante Culpepper is a monstrous upgrade over Joey Harrington.

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[quote=skinsfan69;330231]But they were letting the guy practice and work out until Green got in town. Then Green shows up and he can't do anything?? Sorry but that is wrong. If he is under contract, which DC was, then you can't lock the guy out of the facility.[/quote]

This aint the little leagues where your son gets in the game even if he sucks balls. What have you done for me lately Dante? CUT!!!

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;330733]The second I heard about Culpepper being released... Atlanta was the first team to come to mind.

Dante Culpepper is a monstrous upgrade over Joey Harrington.[/QUOTE]

Maybe they'll sign Cleo Lemon next :) Seriously though, how weird would it be for those guys to meet up again?

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;330733]The second I heard about Culpepper being released... Atlanta was the first team to come to mind.

Dante Culpepper is a monstrous upgrade over Joey Harrington.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree...Atlanta would be pretty dumb not to explore this option.

Does anyone know how this works in terms of salary for Culpepper? I'm a little hazy as to how it works after he is cut, so can someone sign him for whatever they want?