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[quote=krisj55;331584]First of all...Mark sucks!!!! we need to cut and run..as far as possible. Brooks..is young and could sit the pine behind Jason very easily. Forget what Mark did..THEN...what has he done Lately? The best thing he could do is retire...save us some money.[/quote]
Yea, he might be able to sit on the pine with ease but learning the play book is another story. MB as a starter no way, MB as a back up is very solid. Now if Janson got injured early on and out for the season that would really hurt but if MB only has to play a couple of quarters or games he should be fine as his body can handle that. We just don't have the luxery right now of bringing in someone new to learn this system and maybe have to play.

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Personally, I think all this taking a year to learn an offense is a bunch of BS. How about running less plays and executing them better?[/quote]

What if the replacement is more permanent? Coaches watch game film, and they'll tear apart the 20 plays we have allowed our new qb to run. If Mark is healthy, keep him. Id rather have a smart veteran backup with the full playbook, then a younger backup(prone to making more mistakes) with 30% of the playbook.

I don't want to turn my back on Mark until he forces me to by retiring.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;331996]So let me ask you this. If we could upgrade the back-up QB position, but the guy had to learn the system. Would you bring him in? Or, would you take a guy who has less talent, but keep him around just because he knows the system?

Personally, I think all this taking a year to learn an offense is a bunch of BS. How about running less plays and executing them better?[/QUOTE]

Your comment would assume that Brooks would be an upgrade, and he is a downgrade. Have you guys not watched any of his games the past 3 years? Brooks is TERRIBLE, I'll take Brunell any day.
Of course, you could get me on board with cutting Brunell if Culpepper was the guy. Brooks just sucks...and sucks bad. There is a reason no team has picked him up, and there is a reason that there wasn't much buzz about him when he went to Oakland.
If it's about stats...why don't we pick up Kerry Collins? (that is just a joke)

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I doubt Todd Collins was trying to Bs anyone when he said the playbook takes a year to learn.

Regardless of that, when you're talking about your backup QB what you want is someone who can basically provide Jason Campbell another set of eyes from the sidelines. Someone who can talk him through problems, can read the defenses, and understand what the offenses is trying to accomplish. For most, if not all, of that you need someone who knows the playbook and the tendencies of the guys on the team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;331996]So let me ask you this. If we could upgrade the back-up QB position, but the guy had to learn the system. Would you bring him in? Or, would you take a guy who has less talent, but keep him around just because he knows the system?

Personally, I think all this taking a year to learn an offense is a bunch of BS. How about running less plays and executing them better?[/quote]

Again, it's a little late in the game to be bringing new guys in, especially at the QB position.

MB is a perfectly capable backup and the value of him being on the sidelines to help mentor Campbell is something that can't be underestimated.

Unless it's due to injury, teams just don't bring guys in this late in the offseason for the sake of "upgrading" the position.

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[quote=jsarno;332004]Your comment would assume that Brooks would be an upgrade, and he is a downgrade. Have you guys not watched any of his games the past 3 years? Brooks is TERRIBLE, I'll take Brunell any day.
Of course, you could get me on board with cutting Brunell if Culpepper was the guy. Brooks just sucks...and sucks bad. There is a reason no team has picked him up, and there is a reason that there wasn't much buzz about him when he went to Oakland.
If it's about stats...why don't we pick up Kerry Collins? (that is just a joke)[/quote]

He would be an upgrade IF he got a chance to have the full offseason program IMO, and got a chance to work with Sanders. Like a lot of guys, he just needs real good coaching. Look who was running Oak. offense last year? Some guy who owned a bed and breakfast and had been out of the NFL for 12 years? C'mon. You mean to tell me that a guy who had a two to one TD INT rate over a 4 year period, and during that period he started all 16 games for 4 years in a row, and is 30 or 31 and can't be a good NFL back-up? And you would rather have Culpepper who has sucked so bad the last two years that Miami cut him for an over the hill Trent Green?

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[quote=SmootSmack;332010]I doubt Todd Collins was trying to Bs anyone when he said the playbook takes a year to learn.

Regardless of that, when you're talking about your backup QB what you want is someone who can basically provide Jason Campbell another set of eyes from the sidelines. Someone who can talk him through problems, can read the defenses, and understand what the offenses is trying to accomplish. For most, if not all, of that you need someone who knows the playbook and the tendencies of the guys on the team.[/quote]

Well said.

Just look at how the entire offense performed last year, I think it was very obvious that the unit suffered in trying to adjust to a new system. It wasn't until the second half of the season until the running game really took off.

MB's preseason comments last year about picking up the offense were very telling. He clearly wasn't happy having to learn a new system and Collins was very up front in saying it would take a full season to fully digest the new system. I don't see why he would lie in saying that, it's not a simple system at all.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;332027]He would be an upgrade IF he got a chance to have the full offseason program IMO, and got a chance to work with Sanders. Like a lot of guys, he just needs real good coaching. Look who was running Oak. offense last year? Some guy who owned a bed and breakfast and had been out of the NFL for 12 years? C'mon. You mean to tell me that a guy who had a two to one TD INT rate over a 4 year period, and during that period he started all 16 games for 4 years in a row, and is 30 or 31 and can't be a good NFL back-up? And you would rather have Culpepper who has sucked so bad the last two years that Miami cut him for an over the hill Trent Green?[/QUOTE]

Because I feel Culpepper still has something in the tank to show us, Brooks doesn't. Culpepper was taken out of the lineup the last 2 years (1 in Minnesota 1 in Miami) because of significant injury, Brooks...well Brooks was taken out cause he sucked. Also, why was brooks left out for Andrew Walter???? That speaks volumes.
Culpepper is a 3 time pro bowler, Brooks 0. I don't normally use pro bowl appearances as evidence that one is better than the other, but these are both QB's that played in the same era and the same conference. Culpepper has had one of the greatest QB season of all time, and it happened to be the season before he busted up his knee. Culpepper came back too early and hurt his legacy...but he'll be back.
ps- comp % is usually a good indication of a productive QB, Brooks career 56.5%, his highest in a season 59.1%...Culpepper's career 64.2%, highest season 69.2%. Culpepper's LOWEST season 60.4% which is 1.3% higher than Brook's best mark.

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That's great jsarno but why would Culpepper even think twice about signing with a team that's already committed to a 3rd year QB?

I would think he'll want to go somewhere where he'll have a realistic shot at playing. He's not ready to become a career backup just yet.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;332030]Well said.

Just look at how the entire offense performed last year, I think it was very obvious that the unit suffered in trying to adjust to a new system. It wasn't until the second half of the season until the running game really took off.

MB's preseason comments last year about picking up the offense were very telling. He clearly wasn't happy having to learn a new system and Collins was very up front in saying it would take a full season to fully digest the new system. I don't see why he would lie in saying that, it's not a simple system at all.[/QUOTE]

Plus, this is the first season in a while that everything is set in stone. No new player coming in (no I don't count a 4th stringer), no one fighting for a job. JC is the guy, Brunell is the back up. There is consistancy here, and I like it. We needed that. I think that bodes well for JC.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;332037]That's great jsarno but why would Culpepper even think twice about signing with a team that's already committed to a 3rd year QB?

I would think he'll want to go somewhere where he'll have a realistic shot at playing. He's not ready to become a career backup just yet.[/QUOTE]

Well, if you read my post just under your last one, I do think we are set with our QB's...I just know that Culpepper will be back on top, and would hate for us to miss out on that.
Brooks is nothing. I'd rather have Palmer.

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[quote=jsarno;332038]Plus, this is the first season in a while that everything is set in stone. No new player coming in (no I don't count a 4th stringer), no one fighting for a job. JC is the guy, Brunell is the back up. There is consistancy here, and I like it. We needed that. I think that bodes well for JC.[/quote]

In regards to the offense, I am still a bit uneasy about the effect Doc's departure will have on the running game. But that's for a different thread.

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[quote=jsarno;332035]Because I feel Culpepper still has something in the tank to show us, Brooks doesn't. Culpepper was taken out of the lineup the last 2 years (1 in Minnesota 1 in Miami) because of significant injury, Brooks...well Brooks was taken out cause he sucked. Also, why was brooks left out for Andrew Walter???? That speaks volumes.
Culpepper is a 3 time pro bowler, Brooks 0. I don't normally use pro bowl appearances as evidence that one is better than the other, but these are both QB's that played in the same era and the same conference. Culpepper has had one of the greatest QB season of all time, and it happened to be the season before he busted up his knee. Culpepper came back too early and hurt his legacy...but he'll be back.
ps- comp % is usually a good indication of a productive QB, Brooks career 56.5%, his highest in a season 59.1%...Culpepper's career 64.2%, highest season 69.2%. Culpepper's LOWEST season 60.4% which is 1.3% higher than Brook's best mark.[/quote]

Actually Brooks was taken out because he was hurt. Then we clashed with the coaching staff. What QB in your opinion would have played well in Oak last year? Not even Peyton Manning could have done well. So I'm not sure why NFL guys are judging Brooks on that. I would judge him on what he did when he had a good supporting cast. I'm not saying to have him be our starter. But jeez the guy has real good numbers, has a great arm, he can scramble and has NFL starting exerience. I knowt he blows Todd Collins away as far as talent goes. But I guess knowing an NFL system keeps you employed for several years. If that's the case someone steal this 700 page playbook and I'm going to study the living hell out of it.

In Minn. before DC got hurt he was downright dreadful. He got hurt well after he was playing very poorly. Then he played last year and was awful too. Was it the injury? It probably had something to do with it. But he also was missing guys and had a ton of fumbles. So that has nothing to do with it. I think the injury hurts his scrambling ability but probably not his throwing and def not his decision making.

I like Culpepper and he did have a great season. And he probably is not quite done yet if his knee heels. But it seems to me if his knee is a problem he should get his weight down cause he looks real heavy in the video ESPN shows when he was at Miami. But I am starting to wonder how many QB's could have done what he did if they had Moss and Carter in their prime.

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[quote=skinsfan69;332063]Actually Brooks was taken out because he was hurt. Then we clashed with the coaching staff. What QB in your opinion would have played well in Oak last year? Not even Peyton Manning could have done well. So I'm not sure why NFL guys are judging Brooks on that. I would judge him on what he did when he had a good supporting cast. I'm not saying to have him be our starter. [B]But jeez the guy has real good numbers[/B], has a great arm, he can scramble and has NFL starting exerience. [/quote]

Look at his numbers. I posted a link to his stats earlier. 20 INTs and a dozen fumbles (consistently) is not "real good". He had ONE somewhat good year in 2003...the rest were ugly.

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[quote=Buster;332067]Look at his numbers. I posted a link to his stats earlier. 20 INTs and a dozen fumbles (consistently) is not "real good". He had ONE somewhat good year in 2003...the rest were ugly.[/quote]

Yes but what you failed to mention is he had 26 td's during the one year when he had 20+ ints.

The fumbles are somthing I would not worry about. That can be corrected.

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[quote=skinsfan69;332068]Yes but what you failed to mention is he had 26 td's during the one year when he had 20+ ints.

The fumbles are somthing I would not worry about. That can be corrected.[/quote]


Ok, so he threw 4 more TDs than he potentially gave the other team. :benched:

Brunell goes 23/10 and we want to bench him, yet we want a guy who goes 26/22 AND gets benched on the Raiders in his career? OK...makes sense.

Fumbles can be corrected for RBs, but not typically with QBs. Ask Dave Krieg.

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Are we really having a 4 page discussion on Aaron Brooks?

:doh:

Friday can't come soon enough.

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[quote=Mattyk72;332073]Are we really having a 4 page discussion on Aaron Brooks?

:doh:

Friday can't come soon enough.[/quote]

No, different groups of people are having many smaller conversations about Aaron Brooks. If you were to take out most of the repeats, and of course all of us flat out dumb member posts, you would find about 5 credible replies.

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[quote=Monksdown;332077]No, different groups of people are having many smaller conversations about Aaron Brooks. If you were to take out most of the repeats, and of course all of us flat out dumb member posts, you would find about 5 credible replies.[/quote]

LOL ok, just checking.

I was worried for a second.

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Brunell is the best back up we can ask for.

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[quote=hesscl34;332079]Brunell is the best back up we can ask for.[/quote]
hessy , again to the aid of brunell:) but i agree. after sitting for the latter part of last season. he will be healthy again, and knows the playbook

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[quote=Buster;332071]Ok, so he threw 4 more TDs than he potentially gave the other team. :benched:

Brunell goes 23/10 and we want to bench him, yet we want a guy who goes 26/22 AND gets benched on the Raiders in his career? OK...makes sense.

Fumbles can be corrected for RBs, but not typically with QBs. Ask Dave Krieg.[/quote]

Yes but your failing to mention he also went 27/15, 21/16 and 24/8.

Brunell can't take us to where we want to go and that is why he is on the bench.

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[quote=Mattyk72;332073]Are we really having a 4 page discussion on Aaron Brooks?

:doh:

Friday can't come soon enough.[/quote]

Well it's better than talking about dog fighting, or how do you think JC will do this year, or Portis/Betts. But you are correct. Friday needs to get here ASAP.

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I find it odd that we are still talking about this. Of course I am just as much to blame, but it's still odd. :D

1- Brooks is not a good starting QB, or even an adaquate back up anymore (regardless of what 2 people on this site think)
2- He is not going to ever dawn a Skins Uni, so all this is moot.
3- Our qb scenario is set in stone, let's start the season already!!!

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:oink: I'd take Mel Brooks over Aaron Brooks

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Brooks won't EVER play for the SKINS! MB will be fine in his backup roll, if he's needed in a limited roll he will be just fine.

If it's an extended stay, good LORD willing it won't be (no injury bugs) different story, don't know how that might unfold.

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[quote=skinsfan69;332097]Yes but your failing to mention he also went 27/15, 21/16 and 24/8.

Brunell can't take us to where we want to go and that is why he is on the bench.[/quote]Part of the reason Brunell can't take us where we want to go is because hes on the bench...and hes on the bench so Jason Campbell doesnt have to be on the bench. Not for any other reason.

Just sayin :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;332532]Part of the reason Brunell can't take us where we want to go is because hes on the bench...and hes on the bench so Jason Campbell doesnt have to be on the bench. Not for any other reason.

Just sayin :)[/quote]

He can't take us to where we want to go cause he is not good enough at this point of his career.

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[quote=44Dive;332522]:oink: I'd take Mel Brooks over Aaron Brooks[/quote]

Certainly that goes without saying.

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[quote=mmil12;331546]I'd cut Brunell and Collins for Brooks. Brooks is younger and more atheletic. He gives uss experience and quite a bit more talent from the back-up QB slot. Then give the third string to Palmer. Lets face it...Brunell is completed finished and we are paying Collins way to much. We can probably get Brooks pretty cheaply. What do you guys think?[/quote]

Couldn't agree more about Brooks but Palmer and Casey ought to compete for 3rd.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;331548]I think you are insane if you think that Aaron Brooks is better than Mark Brunell.[/quote]

Brunell taking the field this year means certain disaster. We'll face eight guys up front even on passing downs. News flash: he can't throw anymore.

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[quote=skinsnut;331884]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

jason campbell
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casey bramlet

jordan palmer practice squad
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I agree with your QB depth chart projection....however, it seems most here are not thrilled with the idea of Mark Brunell as a long term backup.

I agree, based on age.
Brunell does have an unbeatable attitude.
He is the ultimate team player...he gave us some amazing games against Dallas....he actually gave us some hope that we haven't had for a very long time...before Brunell got in synch with Moss....he was basically average.
I really hope Brunell stays around for a long time...but as a 3rd stringer or coach next year....beyond that he may hurt us.
I love his attitude. We need other Redskins to pick that up.
The only thing we need is a potential starter at number 2.....right now, we dont have that. I really dont know of any QB available that has that potential. (excluding Culpepper, who is walking on eggshells).

For you Brunell haters...please tell me who we pick up at this point (except Culpepper) to replace him at number 2?[/quote]

Brunell's the chief reason for the Redskin's woes. Please don't tell me Brunell led us to the playoffs. I saw the games.

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[quote=Ferrari;331552]Let us not forget that Mark Brunell in his Career has made it to AFC Championship game, lets not forget that MB has been a Pro Bowl quarterback. Thats what I call a veteran back-up, someone who use to be great but with age became average. But as he became average he became wise. MB is a good QB if he's healthy. The problem is his body is too old to endure an entire season. Last year his best games were early in the season then he got banged up and it got ugly. 2yrs ago his deep ball looked great early (Cowboys MNF) by week 10 on it got really ugly. Not to mention he took us to the playoffs, got a victory and Santana Moss had a breakout season that year so Mark was doing something right. If he is forced to come in for 3 games he'll be nice and fresh and get the job done. Long story short that sounds like the type of guy we all should want JC to learn from. Good guy on and off the field, kind of reminds me of Gibbs. Maybe I'm ignorant can someone educate me on a wikipedia update of Aaron Brooks??[/quote]

You have a point. Brunell might be capable of wo or three games.

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While were letting has-beens work out why don't we give Jeff Hostetler a call?

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[quote=Smooter;332607]While were letting has-beens work out why don't we give Jeff Hostetler a call?[/quote]


Or Jeff George, or Jeff Blake.

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Damn. Why is everyone hating on Brooks? He is kind of a knucklehead but he can at least throw way better than any of our current back-ups.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;332600]Brunell taking the field this year means certain disaster. We'll face eight guys up front even on passing downs. News flash: he can't throw anymore.[/quote]

Oh ok...and Todd Collins CAN?