Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree?
 

It's been a few years, & I'm not SURE what user name was! I THINK it was "ONEBACK". The site LOOKS totally different. Are there OTHER Redskins sites (something about "HOGS", etc.)?

Spent a day talking football in July 2009 with Joe Jacoby (now coaching at Shenandoah U. in Va.). He spent a day with our football staff covering "line play techniques" used by the "Hogs".

Also visited Shanahan's Mini Camp recently as a "Guest Coach". Got to go on the field for the drills, & scrimmage. I think they are headed in the proper direction.

Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree?
 

[quote=billmountjoy;710776]It's been a few years, & I'm not SURE what user name was! I THINK it was "ONEBACK". The site LOOKS totally different. Are there OTHER Redskins sites (something about "HOGS", etc.)?

Spent a day talking football in July 2009 with Joe Jacoby (now coaching at Shenandoah U. in Va.). He spent a day with our football staff covering "line play techniques" used by the "Hogs".

Also visited Shanahan's Mini Camp recently as a "Guest Coach". Got to go on the field for the drills, & scrimmage. I think they are headed in the proper direction.[/quote]

there are definitely many redskins fansites.. the one that you mention is probably hogshaven

the story about Joe at Shenandoah is pretty cool, he was my favorite player as a young kid.. he and jim lachey

anything much you can share from the mini camp?

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[quote=billmountjoy;710776]It's been a few years, & I'm not SURE what user name was! I THINK it was "ONEBACK". The site LOOKS totally different. Are there OTHER Redskins sites (something about "HOGS", etc.)?

Spent a day talking football in July 2009 with Joe Jacoby (now coaching at Shenandoah U. in Va.). He spent a day with our football staff covering "line play techniques" used by the "Hogs".

Also visited Shanahan's Mini Camp recently as a "Guest Coach". Got to go on the field for the drills, & scrimmage. I think they are headed in the proper direction.[/quote]

I'm guessing this is your's then?

[URL="http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/highschooloffense/mountjoy%20passing%20game.pdf"]http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/highschooloffense/mountjoy%20passing%20game.pdf[/URL]

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[quote=davy;710819]I'm guessing this is your's then?

[URL="http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/highschooloffense/mountjoy%20passing%20game.pdf"]http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/highschooloffense/mountjoy%20passing%20game.pdf[/URL][/quote]

Nice!

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mmmm playbooks

looks like he shares a lot with online communities

[url=http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php/board,29.0.html]Bill Mountjoy's Pearls of Wisdom[/url]

great resource there

impressive resume as well

[url=http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=MBKFOOTBALL&t=c&s=football&p=newsstory&newsID=18097]News Story[/url]

definitely good to see you here Mr. Mountjoy

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[quote=tryfuhl;710825]mmmm playbooks

looks like he shares a lot with online communities

[url=http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php/board,29.0.html]Bill Mountjoy's Pearls of Wisdom[/url]

great resource there

impressive resume as well

[url=http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=MBKFOOTBALL&t=c&s=football&p=newsstory&newsID=18097]News Story[/url]

definitely good to see you here Mr. Mountjoy[/quote]

Now, if I could understand just one tenth of it I would be a happy man. :)

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[quote=tryfuhl;710802]there are definitely many redskins fansites.. the one that you mention is probably hogshaven

the story about Joe at Shenandoah is pretty cool, he was my favorite player as a young kid.. he and jim lachey

anything much you can share from the mini camp?[/quote]

I think it WAS "HogHeaven"!!!

Shanahan sent invites to High School Coaches from Va., Md., D.C. He promised to make his practices more accessible, & to conduct football CLINICS for High School Coaches.

His passing game is almost 100% Bill Walsh. His RUNNING game is almost 100% Joe Gibbs.

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[quote=davy;710850]Now, if I could understand just one tenth of it I would be a happy man. :)[/quote]

Thank you very much!

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[quote=billmountjoy;710863]I think it WAS "HogHeaven"!!!

Shanahan sent invites to High School Coaches from Va., Md., D.C. He promised to make his practices more accessible, & to conduct football CLINICS for High School Coaches.

His passing game is almost 100% Bill Walsh. His RUNNING game is almost 100 Joe Gibbs.[/quote]

Was Coach McGregor there?

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[quote=SmootSmack;710867]Was Coach McGregor there?[/quote]


No, I invited him to go with me but he was tied up that day.

John McGregor & myself (along with Hal Lockhart) coached the "Richmond Ravens" Semi-Pro team in the "1987 strike season". We sent some players to the "replacement" Skins during the strike - notably QB Tony Robinson - who QBed the Skins in their win over Dallas' REGULARS (who didn't strike).

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[quote=davy;710819]I'm guessing this is your's then? (pass offense link)


Yes, that was from me. I GOT that from future Redskins Offensive Coordinators - Don Breaux (1967), & Dan Henning (1968), when they were assistants at Florida St. University (along with another coaching friend - John McGregor)

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[quote=billmountjoy;710870]No, I invited him to go with me but he was tied up that day.

John McGregor & myself (along with Hal Lockhart) coached the "Richmond Ravens" Semi-Pro team in the "1987 strike season". We sent some players to the "replacement" Skins during the strike - notably QB Tony Robinson - who QBed the Skins in their win over Dallas' REGULARS (who didn't strike).[/quote]

9 players I think that it said in that link that I posted.. impressive!

Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree?
 

[quote=billmountjoy;710870]No, I invited him to go with me but he was tied up that day.

John McGregor & myself (along with Hal Lockhart) coached the "Richmond Ravens" Semi-Pro team in the "1987 strike season". We sent some players to the "replacement" Skins during the strike - notably QB Tony Robinson - who QBed the Skins in their win over Dallas' REGULARS (who didn't strike).[/quote]

That's pretty awesome...but I was actually wondering about Bill McGregor

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[quote=SmootSmack;710909]That's pretty awesome...but I was actually wondering about Bill McGregor[/quote]

I am not acquainted with Bill McGregor.

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[quote=billmountjoy;710910]I am not acquainted with Bill McGregor.[/quote]

Oh ok. DeMatha head coach. He was fairly close to Coach Gibbs having coached his son Coy in high school. Not sure how it is with Shanahan

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[quote=SmootSmack;710911]Oh ok. DeMatha head coach. He was fairly close to Coach Gibbs having coached his son Coy in high school. Not sure how it is with Shanahan[/quote]

Yes - now that you reminded me - I heard Coy Gibbs speak at Bill McGregor's clinic at DeMatha, when he helped his dad during Joe's return to the Skins.

Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree?
 

[quote=billmountjoy;710870]No, I invited him to go with me but he was tied up that day.

John McGregor & myself (along with Hal Lockhart) coached the "Richmond Ravens" Semi-Pro team in the "1987 strike season". We sent some players to the "replacement" Skins during the strike - notably QB Tony Robinson - who QBed the Skins in their win over Dallas' REGULARS (who didn't strike).[/quote]

So your almost like Gene Hackman...

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[quote=Redskins8588;710913]So your almost like Gene Hackman...[/quote]

In the movie - the "Replacements" Coach (played by Hackman) coached Washington. In REALITY - Joe Gibbs coached the "Replacements" to a 4-0 record!

Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree?
 

[quote=Clutch;337315]I'm a George Allen fan, but also respect and admire Joe Gibbs. One thing that I've noticed is that most of the great head coaches have had assistant coaches who have gone on to become great head coaches in their own right.

In addition to Joe Bugel, who are the other branches of the Joe Gibbs coaching tree? I know that Joe Gibbs himself was the star pupil of Don Coryell's brilliant offensive-minded football school.[/quote]


To see a Joe Gibbs offense is to see the strains from which it arose. Gibbs offense featured schemes that befuddled defenses with three or four receiving threats, multiple shifts, a single tailback, H-backs (a tight end in the slot or backfield). An attack might come from anywhere. These schemes have at their source Don Coryell with a dash of Bill Peterson (and you have to give a nod to Sid Gillman, that patriarch of NFL offensive thinking). More than Xs and Os, Gibbs inspires uncommon devotion by his team. They are sold on his concepts and program -- the clear hand of Frank Broyles. John Riggins marvels at Gibbs' ability to manage people. More than once, he said that Gibbs "could have probably run General Motors," not to mention a winning N.A.S.C.A.R. team.

Gibbs’ hard work and long hours were extracted from Bill Peterson “who did not have raw talent on his teams, or a flamboyant personality …, but who succeeded nonetheless through sheer hard work.” From John McKay he learned that a certain part of being a good coach is the use of fear to motivate people.

Equally clear is, that to be a great coach, one must seek out and recruit outstanding assistants. Coryell, Breaux, Peterson and Broyles saw something in Gibbs and a number of other assistants who went on to successful NFL careers. Part of their greatness is due to their ability to build a stellar staff as Gibbs is now doing with Gregg Williams, Joe Bugel and recently Al Saunders, the highly regarded Kansas City offensive coordinator – and Don Coryell protégé. Outstanding assistants enabled the Redskins to be effective at half-time adjustments, as Gibbs became known for doing in his 1980s rampage.

Here are just a few of his many assistants at Washington:

1. Don Breaux
2. Dan Henning
3. Renny Simmons
4. Jack Burns
5. Joe Bugel
6. Jim Hanifan
7. Charley Taylor
ETC.

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Coach Gibbs to me is the best coach of his era, superior than Belichick, better than Walsh. Even Gibbs II was a success, making 2 playoff apperances despite lack of talent and a shitty GM in Vinny.

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Boy this thread just popped back up out of nowhere

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[quote=SmootSmack;1031191]Boy this thread just popped back up out of nowhere[/quote]

:bump:

Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1031186]Coach Gibbs to me is the best coach of his era, superior than Belichick, better than Walsh. Even Gibbs II was a success, making 2 playoff apperances despite lack of talent and a shitty GM in Vinny.[/quote]

True dat bruv! I would've loved to see what Gibbs could've done with RGIII as his QB.

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I like the following article about Joe Gibbs - it says it all:

An Innovator and a Winner
March 6, 1993

Among Washington Redskins coaches, Joe Gibbs ranks at the top of nearly every significant category. His three NFL championships are one more than Ray Flaherty's; his 140 victories are 71 more than George Allen's. And his 12 seasons are 11 more than Vince Lombardi's.

Reaching higher, center Jeff Bostic said of Gibbs: "He may be the best that's ever coached the game." Without doubt, Gibbs will be the 12th man with predominantly Redskins ties to be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. That could happen next year.

"Coaching against him was the ultimate in competition for me," said Bill Parcells of the New England Patriots, who, while with the New York Giants, coached against Gibbs when both were at the top of their games in the mid-1980s. Gibbs and Parcells each won two Super Bowls in the '80s.

"As a rule, I'm not big on coaches," said former Redskins middle linebacker Matt Millen. "Players play and coaches wish they could. But Gibbs was one guy who made a big difference. We didn't have the best players two years ago — and we still went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl."

Gibbs will be remembered for winning very quickly with the Redskins and also for success over the long haul; for teams that were successful pounding the line of scrimmage and for teams with sophisticated passing attacks.

Pro Football Hall of Fame coach Sid Gillman last summer said that Gibbs was the best game-day coach he had ever seen. Frequently, the Redskins would turn a game their way after halftime.

Especially clever at what he called "packages," Gibbs before Super Bowl XVII devised a series of motion patterns on pass plays that baffled the Dolphins inside the 20-yard line. Yet the game will be remembered most for John Riggins's 43-yard fourth-quarter touchdown run on a fourth-and-one.

"He was organized, articulate, innovative," Bostic said. "Above all, he was a hard worker. What you see is what you get."

The Redskins coach with whom Gibbs will be most closely compared is Allen, whose tenure with the Redskins was from 1971 through 1977. Assistant general manager Bobby Mitchell worked with both — and gave each his due after Gibbs announced his retirement at Redskin Park.

"George Allen was known for the Over The Hill Gang," Mitchell said, referring to Allen's preference for veteran players. "Joe Gibbs had his Super Bowl rings. Gibbs extended an organization that already knew how to win to the ultimate accomplishments."

Gibbs said he never considered his place in football history, local or national, adding: "That's for others to judge. ... Some of my biggest thrills in winning the Super Bowl the last time was watching {two new assistants and their wives}, getting to enjoy it with them."

Mitchell glanced about Redskin Park and said of it: "George Allen started this {with the Redskins and around the NFL}. And it's the greatest thing you can do for a staff and players. He started that."

Lombardi's was the more forceful personality, but Gibbs had a flair for motivation with his players.

"He had an attention to detail bordering on stubbornness," said Pro Football Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Fouts, whose career with the San Diego Chargers included the 1979-80 period when Gibbs served as offensive coordinator. "He had a stubborn belief in what he was doing."

"Hey," a smiling Gibbs said when informed of Fouts's assessment. "That sounds a whole lot like Dan describing himself."

Fouts continued: "In a game, Joe would call the same play, the same pass play. I'd come over to the sideline and scream: 'Don't you have any other plays?' He'd say: 'This one will work.' And he was right.

"He's the only coach who could run three-wideout sets and also three-tight-end sets with one team and make both of them work. Lots of coaches would say they'd like to use the run-and-shoot but all they had was those big plow horses {tight ends}. Others running the run-and-shoot would say you couldn't have any tight ends around. Joe was the first guy to do both.

"He took Don Coryell's offense to Washington and fine-tuned it for the NFC East, fine-tuned it for his personnel and fine-tuned it for each game's opponent."

"He took that one-back offense {with Riggins in the early-'80s} and forced it down everybody's throat," Mitchell said. "Some teams even now aren't able to cope with it."

As to why the Redskins always seemed to play hard under Gibbs, even against less-than-mediocre teams, Millen said: "His biggest asset was the ability to make things real in that meeting room. He'd be talking about the Cardinals, or some other team that the fans kissed off as not being very good. What he said to us wasn't contrived. It was down to earth. All of a sudden, you'd think: 'He's right.' "

"He's got to rank up there with the best, because he won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks {Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien}," said offensive lineman Joe Jacoby. "All that adversity. Two strikes. All those quarterbacks. Taking different teams and winning with them. He was able to handle it all."

Millen played for Gibbs and former San Francisco 49ers coach Bill Walsh and said both were equally adept as tacticians. "Joe always stressed the toughness stuff first," Millen said. "That's why I'd choose him over Bill. He was convinced that was the way to go — or at least you had to try to run the ball.

"Bill was very, very smart. But he also had [Jerry] Rice, [John] Taylor, [Joe] Montana, [Roger] Craig — and [Fred] Dean on defense. Joe had lesser talent — and still won three Super Bowls. And the ironic thing is that his best team was the one in '83, the one that didn't win it all."