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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;340656]Someone would probably say that what Little did was a one-time unfortunate tragedy that was not deliberate or intentional (although I believe he's been arrested again since then for drunk driving right?) while Vick deliberately ran a dogfighting ring for several years that resulted in the brutal deaths of several living creatures.[/QUOTE]

I think there's an interesting point there. I'm not sure which side of this I'm on. While I see the arguement regarding lack of intent on Little's part, the reoccurences of the same behavior show an obvious lack of concern and appreciation for the loss of life he caused. Quite honestly, I believe he (Little) should be in jail right now.

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[QUOTE=mlmpetert;340616]Honestly a year is way to much. He has never been convicted of anything before. How is fighting some dogs (personal property) worth getting a YEAR is prison? Poor guy. No way he should accept.[/QUOTE]

No sense in piling on but are you serious with this post or just trolling?

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;340664]I think there's an interesting point there. I'm not sure which side of this I'm on. While I see the arguement regarding lack of intent on Little's part, the reoccurences of the same behavior show an obvious lack of concern and appreciation for the loss of life he caused. Quite honestly, I believe he (Little) should be in jail right now.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if he got any jail time for the second offense? Something tells me he didn't

I remember seeing a pretty compelling piece a few years ago about the victim's husband. He's a photographer for Sports Illustrated I believe. So he has to actually attend a lot of NFL games. He said it makes him pretty sick to his stomach that he has to stand there and take pictures of the man who killed his wife making millions to run around and play a game. But at the same time, he finds it somewhat therapeutic.

Anyway, back to Vick. Something else I've heard is that if it goes to trial a lot of big names might be revealed. Major NFL, NBA, and Hollywood stars. A lot of people would prefer this doesn't go to trial.

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[quote=SmootSmack;340666]

Anyway, back to Vick. Something else I've heard is that if it goes to trial a lot of big names might be revealed. Major NFL, NBA, and Hollywood stars. A lot of people would prefer this doesn't go to trial.[/quote]


Just as I suspected. That is probably part of the deal, so we may in fact find out even if it doesn't go to trial.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;340647]Why would it be a mistake for him to play in the NFL again if he pays his debt? We are talking about dog fighting. Not murder of a human being. Jeez!

Leonard Little is still playing in the NFL and what he did was so much worse than what Vick. In case you don't know about Leonard, he killed a women in a drunk driving accident. He smashed into her car after he ran a red light and he was drunk. Still playing in the NFL. Now what is worse?[/QUOTE]

The fact that Little and Lewis are still playing in the NFL is wrong. IMO, they both should have been banned. I think if they had committed these acts in today's NFL they would be in for significant bans. They did not and, for good or ill, Goodell is not retroactively going after bad behavior previously known to the NFL, only the bad behavior that he becomes aware of on his watch.

IMO, - b/c some who have performed reprehensible behavior and not been punished for it is not basis for failing to punish others who perform reprehensible behavior. (Following your logic - Because an admitted murderer is not convicted due to procedural or substantive errors by the State, we should never prosecute murderers).

As to the relative evil of Vick's actions, I realize there has been a series of threads about where, on the scale of evil, dogfighting should be placed. Here is my two cents on the subject: While I believe cruelty to animals is akin to cruelty to children (not the same as but of a like kind) and that those who practice it should have a special place in hell reserved for them, I recognize others do not feel this way.

I understand the crux of the argument of those who say "dogs are not human so don't apply 'human' penalties for their mistreatment". In fact, I don't disagree with the concept that animals and humans are fundamentally different and it is improper to act like killing an animal is the same as killing a human. With that said, we as humans are charged with caring for animals, particularly domesticated animals, because they are (like children) incapable of making their own choices and, in the case of domesticated animals, incapable of caring for themselves (and have been made that way by us).

Cruelty to those in your care, whether they be animals or human is simply wrong. For those who say, "it's just dogs", that has already been factored into the equation. If Vick had been accused of this type of cruelty to humans, there would be no question he would be going away for life or subject to the death penalty. Thus, to me, just on the cruelty issue, a one year prison term is not out of line for the nature of his actions. (As an extreme example of the other end of the spectrum - "cruelty to plants" wouldn't even warrant a storyline).

Finally, regardless of where you place his actions on the "evil scale", and as someone pointed out before, Vick conspired to create, participate in and fund illegal activities on a broad scale. We live under the rule of law, it is imperfect and flawed, but it is one of the driving tenets of our society.

Whether you agree or disagree that the act should be illegal, our society, as we know it, can only function if everyone accepts the proposition that acting illegally should be punished FURTHER - because to function as a society operating under the rule of law we have to trust one another to act legally, any penalty for an illegal act will be greatly enhanced when it can be demonstrated that you conspired to act illegally and, thus, attacked the very foundation of the rule of law.

As for a life time ban from football, the NFL has every right to determine, independent of the criminal penalties, that its product would be injured by allowing a convicted felon who conspired to act illegally to participate. Because of the basic deceptiveness of Vick's actions, any employer would rightfully suspect the trustworthiness and credibility of his statements. The NFL has the same right as any employer to legitimately judge Vick on his actions, independent of those of any other employee, and act appropriately.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;340673]

Cruelty to those in your care, whether they be animals or human is simply wrong. For those who say, "it's just dogs", that has already been factored into the equation. If Vick had been accused of this type of cruelty to humans, there would be no question he would be going away for life or subject to the death penalty. Thus, to me, just on the cruelty issue, a one year prison term is not out of line for the nature of his actions. (As an extreme example of the other end of the spectrum - "cruelty to plants" wouldn't even warrant a storyline).



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VERY well said.

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I said in the last M. Vick thread that he would change his plea before No. 26th, it would apear he's now getting the kind of advice that may enable him to reestablish himself in the NFL if at all possible.

I know of no other player in the history of the league who has been convicted of a felony, and come back to play. Maybe Vick will be a first, we'll just have to wait and see.

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5+ years vs 1 year? This is an easy choice even if he believes he is innocent. You would be pretty f'ing stupid to fight it and risk going to the shitter for 5+ years.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;340515]getting off easy[/quote]

One year is not easy. The max sentence was 5-6 years correct? There is kinda an unwritten rule that in most cases of first time violators you would get half the time if convicted. So that would be 2.5-3 years. But usually when someone takes a plea they are looking for about half the max sentence, which in this case would be 1.25-1.5 years. So 1 year seems to be a fair offering.

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[quote=saden1;340679]5+ years vs 1 year? This is an easy choice even if he believes he is innocent. You would be pretty f'ing stupid to fight it and risk going to the shitter for 5+ years.[/quote]

I doubt he would go for 5, more like 3 if convicted.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;340665]No sense in piling on but are you serious with this post or just trolling?[/quote]


I am serious (and not blog savvy enough to know what trolling means). I understand that my opinion is a minority on this site so Id rather stay out of this issue as much as possible, but one year seems extremely excessive to me for a first time offender.

However I have not read the indictment so my knowelge is only limited to everything Ive read here and have heard on tv.

Go Skins!!!

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;340659]If I ran the league, I would probably institute a policy of restricting felons from participating in the the league. I just don't think it sounds right for felons to be playing in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. The league does not need this type of player to be successful and popular. If anything they just hurt the league's image which could hurt popularity. The league does not need guys like Vick and the other trouble makers. They could go away tomorrow and the league would not miss a beat.

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[QUOTE=mlmpetert;340683]I am serious (and not blog savvy enough to know what trolling means). I understand that my opinion is a minority on this site so Id rather stay out of this issue as much as possible, but one year seems extremely excessive to me for a first time offender.

However I have not read the indictment so my knowelge is only limited to everything Ive read here and have heard on tv.

Go Skins!!![/QUOTE]

As you said, your opinion is in the minority, I was just wondering if you were serious or just looking to piss people off (trolling...). As you see on this site, differing opinions are welcome as long as you can rationally discuss them...

Don't you think the severity of the crime warrants a little more than one year?

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[quote=mlmpetert;340683]I am serious (and not blog savvy enough to know what trolling means). I understand that my opinion is a minority on this site so Id rather stay out of this issue as much as possible, but one year seems extremely excessive to me for a first time offender.

However I have not read the indictment so my knowelge is only limited to everything Ive read here and have heard on tv.

Go Skins!!![/quote]

I would ask you to think about it fully, not just the fact it is dogs. We are talking about how Vick has been doing this since he entered the NFL. It is one story if he just watched dogfights, or bet on them, but in this case he set up his own illegal business to make money off fighting dogs. If you just forget about the cruelty aspect, imagine all the years he has been running an illegal business(no permit, no taxes, etc). That alone is enough for the Feds to charge you.

Also he was directly linked to the execution of dogs in ways such as drowning, hanging, etc. Plus his operation had rape stands for female dogs to force them to breed. He was one of the main people who paid for this operation.

And finally, you also have to consider the society we live in. The laws reflect our way of life, and America is a dog lover country. Many families here have dogs, and they are very close to us, even family at times.

I think if you weigh all these facts you will see why Vick deserves to be jailed for atleast one year.

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can someone explain to me why i can go out on the street and sell drugs, and walk away with a citation. but if i fight dogs, i do jail time? something doesnt seem quite right with that picture

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[quote=mlmpetert;340683]I am serious (and not blog savvy enough to know what trolling means). I understand that my opinion is a minority on this site so Id rather stay out of this issue as much as possible, but one year seems extremely excessive to me for a first time offender.

However I have not read the indictment so my knowelge is only limited to everything Ive read here and have heard on tv.

Go Skins!!![/quote]

All things considered 1 year seems like too short of a sentence. Do I want Vick to be jailed at all? No, I love watching the guy play he is one of the most exciting athletes I've ever seen. I've been a fan of his from way back at VT. I also met him a few times and he was a real cool cat, very laid back. However, the fact he could associate himself with such a disgusting practice is beyond me. I still believe "inncocent until proven guilty" no matter how bad it looks... I thought Sean Taylor was going to go away for a while too when he had his issues last year but I was pleasantly surprised and glad the prosecuter was such a buffoon.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;340699]can someone explain to me why i can go out on the street and sell drugs, and walk away with a citation. but if i fight dogs, i do jail time? something doesnt seem quite right with that picture[/QUOTE]

No doubt but the argument to that is two wrongs don't make a right. Just because our punishment of one crime is woefully undervalued doesn't make it ok to not go after violators of other laws. That's kind of a slippery slope.

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[quote=dmek25;340699]can someone explain to me why i can go out on the street and sell drugs, and walk away with a citation. but if i fight dogs, i do jail time? something doesnt seem quite right with that picture[/quote]

Well, your average pinhead small time dealer walking the streets selling dimebags of marijuana doesn't compare to the savage cruelty of being the ring leader of an illegal dog fighting organization. It is a federal offense...

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[quote=dmek25;340699]can someone explain to me why i can go out on the street and sell drugs, and walk away with a citation. but if i fight dogs, i do jail time? something doesnt seem quite right with that picture[/quote]

Thats what I dont understand. I guess its that we're more excepting of people selling drugs then people fighting dogs. Maybe becuase there are no big interest groups that put up huge legal fights to make their views of illegal drug dealing forced on society. But groups like peta have the backing and little opposition to enforce their views (in forms of laws) on us.
As someone said above America is a dog loving society (myself very included), so i guess its easier to get people to go along with laws that are anti-dog fighitng even though the laws may be extreme (prison time for a first time offender).

Redskins Rule!!!

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Do any of you guys calling for a longer sentence for the dogfighting realize that the MAXIMUM sentence for the dogfighting allegation alone is only 1 year? The interstate gambling carries a maximum of 5 years (which is the total of 6 years of possible sentencing) so if anything he's getting off very lightly on the gambling and paying his penance for the dogfighting..
[B]From the Atlanta Journal Constitution [url=http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/20/0721vicklegal.html]Vick facing tricky legal options | ajc.com[/url]

Vick faces a single count that charges him with conspiring to violate three laws: the interstate travel act by crossing state lines to engage in illegal gambling; sponsoring a dog in an animal fighting venture; and buying, transporting and receiving dogs for animal fighting.

If Vick is convicted of conspiracy to engage in illegal gambling, the federal guidelines call for a sentence of between 10 and 16 months, Sadow said, noting the sentence can be split with a term of prison and home confinement. If Vick were to plead guilty and accept responsibility for this offense, Sadow said, his potential sentence under the guidelines would drop to six to 12 months.

If Vick is convicted only of conspiring to violate either of the two dogfighting laws, the guidelines call for a sentence of no more than six months, Sadow said. This time could be served on probation, home detention or in a halfway house.[/B]

As for his NFL status, I think he'll get an 8 game suspension when he is released and be back in the NFL in late 2008 or 2009. Yes he lied and violated the conduct policy.. Yes he will be a convicted criminal (we'll see if it's a felony or a misdemeanor when it's plead out) as a 1st time offender.. The league has to be careful however in setting a precedent because if they suspend him for 1 or 2 years for a first offense/conviction then what happens the next time a player bounces his wife off of a couple of walls? If he gets less than is the NFL saying a dog is worth more to it than a woman? I'll be somewhat surprised if he gets a season long suspension after he's out of prison.

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And then there's this take:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvyhPkzXjw9y1twRZ0m39yZDubYF?slug=ms-morningrush081307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]Morning Rush - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[QUOTE=dmek25;340699]can someone explain to me why i can go out on the street and sell drugs, and walk away with a citation. but if i fight dogs, i do jail time? something doesnt seem quite right with that picture[/QUOTE]

The generalities of your comparison make it hard to compare and contrast the two situtations.

Each crime (dogfighting v. selling drugs) has various degrees. What Vick did appears to be at the most eggregious end of the dogfighting crimes. If you were the financier of a drug ring, you would probably walk away from the situation with more than "a citation". On the other hand, if you were fought your dog one time at an illegal dog fighting event, you probably would not do jail time.

Why jail time for one and not the other? Penalties are set out by statutes and within them certain ranges are given. Sentencing guidelines are developed and then followed by the Judges - subject to review by the appellate courts. Any time courts develop guidelines that offend the public or seem improper, the laws can be modified to address them. Based on the sentencing range, prosecutors develop guidelines as to appropriate settlement offers. Courts are not bound by the prosecutors recommendation reached after a plea agreement (Regardless of the offer by the prosecutors, the court could reject it and substitute a longer, or shorter, as long as it is within the courts sentencing guidelines).

Thus, the laws set out the penalties and a certain level of judicial/prosecutorial discretion comes into play depending on the severity of the crime w/in its general category. (first degree murder > second degree murder > manslaughter).

The bottom line is that, if the public doesn't like the categories, then the public can change the penalties.

If the most time Vick could have done for the indictment, as I read it, was 6 years, I am not seeing anything out of line. In fact, given the coordinated and broad deceptions involved and the brutal nature of his actions towards animals in his care, or the care of those operating in partnership with him, I think that a maximun of six years is low.

If you believe penalties for "selling drugs" should be stiffer and require a minimum jail time in all cases, feel free to lobby for such a change. Many will agree with you.

Many will also agree with me that the abusive nature of dogfighting warrants MUCH stiffer penalties than the minimal jail time involved for extremely abusive behavior (Dogfighting is a bloodsport that requires its participants to attack and maim or kill their opponent and is done for the pleasure or profit of those who care for the participants. To me requiring living beings in your care to subject themselves to injury and/or death for your personal fun and profit is abusive).

Thus, while you may not see dogfighting as inately abusive, I would suggest that a majority of Americans would consider it worse then small time drug dealing.

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Eh It depends on how big the dog fighting operation was. Mike Vick was hosting a HUGE dog fighting operation in his back yard. He should have 6 years MINIMUM. That's beyond cruelty to animals there.

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[QUOTE=mlmpetert;340616]Honestly a year is way to much. He has never been convicted of anything before. How is fighting some dogs (personal property) worth getting a YEAR is prison? Poor guy. No way he should accept.[/QUOTE]

How did I miss the 110 posts you had before this? One would think the lunacy would stand out.

I said it before. Pretend he wasn't maiming, killing, and abusing dogs. Pretend they were having fingerpainting contests. But understand that those fingerpainting contests were the center of a gambling ring where tens of thousands of dollars were gambled every night illegally with no taxes being declared on those winnings, in the presence of criminals, and that these fingerpainting contests were part of an interstate illegal fingerpainting ring.

I'm still trying to find a fingerpainting metaphor for "rape stand" and for all the illegal narcotics that were stored for the fighting dogs, but you get the picture.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee;340731]How did I miss the 110 posts you had before this? One would think the lunacy would stand out.

I said it before. Pretend he wasn't maiming, killing, and abusing dogs. Pretend they were having fingerpainting contests. But understand that those fingerpainting contests were the center of a gambling ring where tens of thousands of dollars were gambled every night illegally with no taxes being declared on those winnings, in the presence of criminals, and that these fingerpainting contests were part of an interstate illegal fingerpainting ring.

I'm still trying to find a fingerpainting metaphor for "rape stand" and for all the illegal narcotics that were stored for the fighting dogs, but you get the picture.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't have had a better response BrudLee...thank you...and my dog thanks you!

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[quote=BrudLee;340731]How did I miss the 110 posts you had before this? One would think the lunacy would stand out.

I said it before. Pretend he wasn't maiming, killing, and abusing dogs. Pretend they were having fingerpainting contests. But understand that those fingerpainting contests were the center of a gambling ring where tens of thousands of dollars were gambled every night illegally with no taxes being declared on those winnings, in the presence of criminals, and that these fingerpainting contests were part of an interstate illegal fingerpainting ring.

I'm still trying to find a fingerpainting metaphor for "rape stand" and for all the illegal narcotics that were stored for the fighting dogs, but you get the picture.[/quote]

You shouldnt edit my post if you gonna quote me.

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[QUOTE=mlmpetert;340735]You shouldnt edit my post if you gonna quote me.[/QUOTE]

I don't see where he edited your post

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[quote=SmootSmack;340721]And then there's this take:

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvyhPkzXjw9y1twRZ0m39yZDubYF?slug=ms-morningrush081307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns"]Morning Rush - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]

Very good article. If Leonard Little ever gets another DUI he needs to get banned for life from the NFL and he needs to go to jail. Period. In all relative fairness I think Vick should get about a year in jail. The real issue is the gambling and Goddell might have the ammo to ban him for life. As much as I don't like Vick that would be a titanic punishment.

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[quote=SmootSmack;340739]I don't see where he edited your post[/quote]


You're right, I miss read - Sorry brudlee

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either way i think he should be banned for life from nfl. after lying to the commish about ever going to the house and that he had no dealings in this, i would consider his playing days in the NFL are over. or atleast hope the commish sees that and ban him. Seems like vick always has some excuse to try and get out of the situation at hand. If hes even thinking about the plea says hes involved in it and has been busted which to me says hes thinking "hey ill get off with only 1 yr and still have a life after and still be rich instead of fighting this and getting 20yrs and have no career or anything after i get out."

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[quote=JoeRedskin;340725]The generalities of your comparison make it hard to compare and contrast the two situtations.

Each crime (dogfighting v. selling drugs) has various degrees. What Vick did appears to be at the most eggregious end of the dogfighting crimes. If you were the financier of a drug ring, you would probably walk away from the situation with more than "a citation". On the other hand, if you were fought your dog one time at an illegal dog fighting event, you probably would not do jail time.

Why jail time for one and not the other? Penalties are set out by statutes and within them certain ranges are given. Sentencing guidelines are developed and then followed by the Judges - subject to review by the appellate courts. Any time courts develop guidelines that offend the public or seem improper, the laws can be modified to address them. Based on the sentencing range, prosecutors develop guidelines as to appropriate settlement offers. Courts are not bound by the prosecutors recommendation reached after a plea agreement (Regardless of the offer by the prosecutors, the court could reject it and substitute a longer, or shorter, as long as it is within the courts sentencing guidelines).

Thus, the laws set out the penalties and a certain level of judicial/prosecutorial discretion comes into play depending on the severity of the crime w/in its general category. (first degree murder > second degree murder > manslaughter).

The bottom line is that, if the public doesn't like the categories, then the public can change the penalties.

If the most time Vick could have done for the indictment, as I read it, was 6 years, I am not seeing anything out of line. In fact, given the coordinated and broad deceptions involved and the brutal nature of his actions towards animals in his care, or the care of those operating in partnership with him, I think that a maximun of six years is low.

If you believe penalties for "selling drugs" should be stiffer and require a minimum jail time in all cases, feel free to lobby for such a change. Many will agree with you.

Many will also agree with me that the abusive nature of dogfighting warrants MUCH stiffer penalties than the minimal jail time involved for extremely abusive behavior (Dogfighting is a bloodsport that requires its participants to attack and maim or kill their opponent and is done for the pleasure or profit of those who care for the participants. To me requiring living beings in your care to subject themselves to injury and/or death for your personal fun and profit is abusive).

Thus, while you may not see dogfighting as inately abusive, I would suggest that a majority of Americans would consider it worse then small time drug dealing.[/quote]

Well thought out Joe, couldn't agree any more! Nice Post.

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Vick better take the deal, if he has any brain cells left........(Which is highly unlikely)

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If it has not already been posted, on the Mike and Mike show this a.m. They are quoting a source as stating the Fed deal is believed to be 1-2 years on the table until 9 a.m. this morining.
Apparently in a Federal deal, there is not as secure a guarantee of leniency as in an offense against the state.

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he needs to take the deal,sit his ass in jail,train like hell,and be ready to play next season.maybe by then things will have calmed down a little by then!

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Well now one of the co defendents says Vick was killing dogs or at least present at the killings. If he actually killed dogs, that might be more charges to nail him with. I year in jail is totally laughable at this point. The prosecution is letting him off the hook. Too much money to be lost by the NFL if a star is in the slammer more than a year. If I was the prosecutor I would know I had this guy by the balls and nail his ass for the 4-6. If Vick was some poor schmoe running the ring from his basement in Detroit, his ass would get the maximum time. I don't know what the NFL is thinking, this guy is damaged goods, and highly overrated as a QB to boot. I say good riddance.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;340725]
Thus, while you may not see dogfighting as inately abusive, I would suggest that a majority of Americans would consider it worse then small time drug dealing.[/QUOTE]

I see it as murder! I treat my dogs as family members. I will spend major $$$ on surgeries or whatever they need to have a healthy life. It is an inhumane act that should never be tolerated or taken lightly.

People will turn their backs on you, but a dog will love you no matter how bad you treat him. All he/she asks for is food, water, and shelter....and you have a friend for life.

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Did you guys see this article?

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=munson_lester&id=2979011]ESPN - Munson: Latest pleas are powerful evidence against Vick - NFL[/url]

Both of Vick's former cohorts in the alleged dogfighting scheme will bring dramatic and powerful testimony against Vick. The most difficult testimony for Vick to counter will be Peace's description of a doubleheader dogfight in March 2003. According to the "Summary of the Facts" that Peace signed as part of his plea agreement, Vick and Peace entered two dogs from Bad Newz Kennels in that fight. Both lost. If the Vick case goes to trial, [B]Peace will testify in front of the judge and jury that he and Vick "executed the dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal." That isn't all. Peace and Phillips will describe eight more executions during 2004 and 2005, all of them occurring on Vick's compound in Surry County, Va. All eight dogs flunked fighting tests. Some were drowned. Others were hung. And one was killed -- with Vick allegedly present -- by "slamming its body into the ground."[/B]

I wanted to throw up after reading this.

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what the big thing in all this to me is,why the hell did a multimillionaire have to do this?it makes me sick when i read how he treated these animals,but it really pisses me off that a guy who could have been such a role model to so many kids has turned into such a huge dissapointment.if the evidence is clear he did all this and from what i have read it is,i think the comissioner needs to sit him out at least two years.in fairness to him though,the other guys need to serve a long sentence too because vick did'nt do this alone.give this thing a week or so,and jesse jackson will throw the race card into it!!!!!!!

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[quote=redskinsfanatic;340946]he needs to take the deal,sit his ass in jail,train like hell,and be ready to play next season.maybe by then things will have calmed down a little by then![/quote]


Only problem is, IF he tried to get back into the NFL, imagine every PETA member in every town he plays in, buying tickets, screaming bloody murder (oops, bad choice of words) at the games, holding up pics of desicrated animals.

Doesn't make good TV

Now, Imagine those same protestors in front of the HQ of any company that would be fool enough to try to sign him to an endorsment contract.

Free speech is a powerful thing....

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well either way he more than likely will not play anymore with the Falcons if at all in the NFL

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txfalconsvick&prov=st&type=lgns]Falcons owner says Vick's day with Falcons likely over - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]