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It wasn't a cheap shot, when will you guys get that through your heads?

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[QUOTE=Cowell;341492]It wasn't a cheap shot, when will you guys get that through your heads?[/QUOTE]so then why was there a flag?

The guy sprang forward even though he knew that he'd be hitting Campbell right around the knees. It might not have been the dirtiest shot ever but it was still pretty cheap.

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Yeah the dude got penalized i believe to. there should only be 2 preseason games for each team 4 is way to much.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;341497]so then why was there a flag?

The guy sprang forward even though he knew that he'd be hitting Campbell right around the knees. It might not have been the dirtiest shot ever but it was still pretty cheap.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to disagree actually. I didnt think it was a dirty or cheap hit at all...I mean I understand its still preaseason but its football. If Phillip Daniels has the chance to sack Tony Romo a bit low because thats where his momentum is, we' wouldnt want him to fire a 30 yard pass downfeild to Witten. Not for one second do I think that he intended at all to do anything besides try to make the sack, not take out Jason.

Although, if Golston did hit Rothlesberger later, it wouldnt have been the worst thing in the world :)

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I started to dry heave...... :vomit:

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These guys going down during the pre-season would go down during the regular season. Cutting the pre-season short won't dissipate the inevitable, you'll just push it forward to the regular season.

Simply put, shit happens and will always happen.

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[quote=Gmanc711;341508]I'm going to disagree actually. I didnt think it was a dirty or cheap hit at all...I mean I understand its still preaseason but its football. If Phillip Daniels has the chance to sack Tony Romo a [B]bit low[/B] because thats where his momentum is, we' wouldnt want him to fire a 30 yard pass downfeild to Witten. Not for one second do I think that he intended at all to do anything besides try to make the sack, not take out Jason.

Although, if Golston did hit Rothlesberger later, it wouldnt have been the worst thing in the world :)[/quote]

Hitting the QB low is illegal. That Steelers player was on his knees and he purposefully hit JC's low.

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[quote=mredskins;341405]Washington is out two weeks and Espy is done for the year. Honestly this has been a worse injury pre-season for us thenlast year and we all know how last year panned out.

though on the glass is half full thinking, we have looked much better this year in pre-season then last year. D looks awesome and the O is finding it's way sprinkle in some Clinton and Samuels should be awesome.

BTW- On a side note to you autography whores, go to the Greenbelt Marriott about 3.5 hours before kick off and you can get everyones autograph very easily, they are all just chilling in the lobby. I even saw Gibbs. Smooty has an awesome Rolls, all white with huge rims. IT was cool![/quote]


Slow down. Last year our featureback suffered a significant injury and Springs (arguably our best defender) suffered an injury that he never recovered from.

I feel bad for the guy but losing Espy has zero impact on our season. We are crapping wide receivers right now. Losing Washington for two weeks could be a blessing. There is no reason for him to be out there. You know what he brings every week and he is a warrior.

Campbell is a tough guy too. This guy is a born leader.

As far as that being a dirty hit, no way. It reminded me a lot of the Palmer hit but there was no malice on his part. He was falling down and the QB happened to be there. We aren't watching synchronized swimming, people.

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[QUOTE=saden1;341515]Hitting the QB low is illegal. That Steelers player was on his knees and he purposefully hit JC's low.[/QUOTE]

I understand that its illegal, I'm not saying there shouldnt have been a flag...but at the same time I'm just saying that the guy was just trying to make a play to help his team win the game. I dont think he did anything with the intent to injur anyone or that he's a "dirty" player.

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I can think of 4 letters that come to mind. Then I started thinking of 7 other letters..........BRUNELL.............Another reason why I'd like to have Collins as 2nd string.

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[quote=Gmanc711;341522]I understand that its illegal, I'm not saying there shouldnt have been a flag...but at the same time I'm just saying that the guy was just trying to make a play to help his team win the game. I dont think he did anything with the intent to injur anyone or that he's a "dirty" player.[/quote]

His intent is irrelevant. The guy hit him low and the league needs to send a message that this sort of thing won't be tolerated. I'd like to see players fined and suspended for that kind the shit.

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[QUOTE=saden1;341530]His intent is irrelevant. The guy hit him low and the league needs to send a message that this sort of thing won't be tolerated. I'd like to see players fined and suspended for that kind the shit.[/QUOTE]

If you're going to fine someone, I agree that intent is irrelavent. However if you're going to suspend someone, I disagree completley. I mean it was barley the guys fault at all, thats kind of just where he fell, I dont think you can suspend a guy for somthing like that.

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[quote=saden1;341530]His intent is irrelevant. The guy hit him low and the league needs to send a message that this sort of thing won't be tolerated. I'd like to see players fined and suspended for that kind the shit.[/quote]
If you look at Campbell's video after the game he seems like he's slightly pissed off about the hit. His reaction is subtle, but JC isn't a particularly emotional guy, so something subtle could mean a lot.

These rules are in place to protect the QB, and the hit was probably more of a negligent hit than a dirty one.

He should be fined, but not suspended. I don't want to sit here and be an armchair judge on the situation, because it's a very dynamic game and some things are unavoidable, but that his was too low to do nothing about.

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Dude, did you see the play? Check out 1:35 min into the second clip (on the right side of the page) and see what the mofo does.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jasoncampbell/profile?id=CAM375235"]Jason Campbell[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;341336]I didn't get to see it happen live, but just seeing the replay made me sick.

For those that saw it, admit it the season flashed before your eyes.[/QUOTE]

I didn't see it live either, but heard that Campbell went down with a knee injury. I had no idea of the severity of it, but honestly my first thought was it's probably nothing but there must be hundreds of "Campbell down, Apocalypse now" posts on the Warpath

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[QUOTE=saden1;341536]Dude, did you see the play? Check out 1:35 min into the second clip (on the right side of the page) and see what the mofo does.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jasoncampbell/profile?id=CAM375235"]Jason Campbell[/URL][/QUOTE]

We may just have to agree to disagree. I just dont think he did anything intentionally. I'm not saying it was the cleanest of plays, but I just think you need to (if you're calling for a suspension), look at both sides of the case. He was going down and off balancewhen he made the hit and I dont think you can ask guys to not try to make the play.... I can see where you're coming from, and I think if he's fined this week its perfectly warrented, but I dont think you can suspened a guy for somthing like that, but thats just me.

I just think if say C. Griff did somthing like that week 3, and he was suspended for a game, skins' fans would be going ape-shit. Fine, yes, guys get fined all the time for hits and I dont think this is any different, but a suspension I think would be far to harsh

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I nearly lost my mind. Screamed. Thought I was going to throw up. Tears on the verge. I pulled a Joe Gibbs and went the bible route, “God, please no….don’t do this to Joe, to me, to Jason…the team…” Some say I even asked for a sacrifice (Clinton Portis) in stead of JC.

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[quote=KateSkinFan;341590]I nearly lost my mind. Screamed. Thought I was going to throw up. Tears on the verge. I pulled a Joe Gibbs and went the bible route, “God, please no….don’t do this to Joe, to me, to Jason…the team…” Some say I even asked for a sacrifice (Clinton Portis) in stead of JC.[/quote]


Welcome to the board. How are you?

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Welcome KateSkinFan of New York.

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Kateskinsfan tell us a little about urself.

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welcome Kate, and i agree with gmanc. i think once the steeler guy got off the block, he was starting to lose his balance immediately. to me there was no intent.

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While I didn't think the hit was intentional or dirty, but the more I see the replay the more I think he could have pulled up. He stumbles initially, but then catches himself and leaps towards Campbell.

Regardless of the intention, it's illegal and it could have changed the course of our entire season.

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i am going to agree that he did lose his balance but it is his responsibility to makes sure and not hit the QB at the knees. It is a rule. It is pre-season. It was stupid on his part and a fine should be issued. That easily could have destroyed a young QBs season and damaged his career. Very few players actually would ever mean to hurt someone in a pre-season game so i don't credit him for lack of intent. He lost his balance but still recovered before making the hit which was after the pass to begin with.

As Joey T said after the play, 'just because you stumble doesn't mean you go low". I also agree with his assessment as he went on, 'he had plenty of time to adjust his hit". He really did.

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I'm sure Gibbs already has sent in a film review to the league office regarding the low hit. I don't think it was an intentionally dirty hit, just not well thought out. When your adrenaline is super-charged and you're doing your job of getting to the QB, sometimes it's hard to pull in the reins.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;341654]I'm sure Gibbs already has sent in a film review to the league office regarding the low hit. I don't think it was an intentionally dirty hit, just not well thought out. When your adrenaline is super-charged and you're doing your job of getting to the QB, sometimes it's hard to pull in the reins.[/QUOTE]
After thinking more about it, I tend to agree with you now. I said before, that while I don't think it was the dirtiest hit ever I still think it was really cheap and I think the dude [I]needs[/I] to be fined by the league. I don't think he should be suspended but he needs to be fined because it really appeared that he could have avoided hitting Campbell's knee if he tried to.

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[quote=Cowell;341492]It wasn't a cheap shot, when will you guys get that through your heads?[/quote]
I thought the same thing at first that it was just one of those things that happen. Then as I watched from another view from a shot which was on 99's side of the play I changed my mind. He was trying to get up and then lundged forward and the only chance of hitting JC was going to be a low blow. He had know chance of even coming close to hitting him with a legal shot so yes it was a illegal hit. Now I will agree that he was just trying to make a play but these guy's are taught from day one that its an illegal shot so he knew better. If he would not have lundged forward that would be a different story but he did and we are lucky that JC did not have a worse injury.

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In regards to the relative cheapness of the shot on Campbell: After, the Steeler kind of stumbled, he has a choice. He can either attempt to regain his balance and probably not hit the quarterback at all or he can immediately dive at Campbell's knees. He chose the latter.

I think players are afraid to do the first thing because they will be criticized by their coaches for being soft. If they were to say, "But it's a pre-season game" the coaches would probably put that player in the "lacks killer instinct" file. Defensive coaches want players with hard hearts. Think about Greg Williams. Do you think he would want Andre Carter to pull up and avoid a low hit because he doesn't want to hurt someone in pre-season. No way. Williams would make them run wind sprints for doing that.

Btw, I just remembered that a similar thing happened to Brunell against the Giants in Deember 2005. Giant comes in stumbles and then blows up Brunell's legs. If they want to stop that from happening they need to treat those situations as though there was no stumble. The only excuse would be being blocked into the QB or tripping over someone and falling into him. Everything else should be treated as a straight up Raiders of the 70s cheap shot. (In the case of Brunell, I think Coughlin told them to go after his knees, but that's just me. I always thought THAT stumble was a little bit on the suspicious side. He seems like that sort of coach)

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[QUOTE=mooby;341323]My first thought was shades of Carson Palmer against Pitt in the playoffs a couple years back. Honestly I thought it might be a torn acl or something that could sideline him for a long time from the way he was rolling on the ground.[/QUOTE]

Thats exactly what I was thinking. It looked exactly like the Carson Palmer hit but this time it was JC at Fed Ex field. Kiesel had plenty of time to adjust his hit.......Luckily JC was able to walk off the field with only a sprain/bruise.

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[quote=Gmanc711;341538]We may just have to agree to disagree. I just dont think he did anything intentionally. I'm not saying it was the cleanest of plays, but I just think you need to (if you're calling for a suspension), look at both sides of the case. He was going down and off balancewhen he made the hit and I dont think you can ask guys to not try to make the play.... I can see where you're coming from, and I think if he's fined this week its perfectly warrented, but I dont think you can suspened a guy for somthing like that, but thats just me.

I just think if say C. Griff did somthing like that week 3, and he was suspended for a game, skins' fans would be going ape-shit. Fine, yes, guys get fined all the time for hits and I dont think this is any different, but a suspension I think would be far to harsh[/quote]


You're right, we definitely will have agree to disagree because I'm thinking at least 4 game suspension is warranted for ending someone's season and possibly career.

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[quote=70Chip;341671]In regards to the relative cheapness of the shot on Campbell: After, the Steeler kind of stumbled, he has a choice. He can either attempt to regain his balance and probably not hit the quarterback at all or he can immediately dive at Campbell's knees. He chose the latter.

I think players are afraid to do the first thing because they will be criticized by their coaches for being soft. If they were to say, "But it's a pre-season game" the coaches would probably put that player in the "lacks killer instinct" file. Defensive coaches want players with hard hearts. Think about Greg Williams. Do you think he would want Andre Carter to pull up and avoid a low hit because he doesn't want to hurt someone in pre-season. No way. Williams would make them run wind sprints for doing that.

Btw, I just remembered that a similar thing happened to Brunell against the Giants in Deember 2005. Giant comes in stumbles and then blows up Brunell's legs. If they want to stop that from happening they need to treat those situations as though there was no stumble. The only excuse would be being blocked into the QB or tripping over someone and falling into him. Everything else should be treated as a straight up Raiders of the 70s cheap shot. (In the case of Brunell, I think Coughlin told them to go after his knees, but that's just me. I always thought THAT stumble was a little bit on the suspicious side. He seems like that sort of coach)[/quote]


Have you ever seen Redskins players dive at the legs of opposing player?

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It was more like "what was I throwing at the TV" when JC was hit! I had to clear my kids out of the room I was so freaked. I really thought he ripped his ACL, MCL, or something to shreds. I was very pleased to learn later that he wasn't seriously injured. Even though I wanted to jump on the first flight out of Atlanta to personally hunt down the Steeler defender that nearly ruined JC's knee, I did think it was classy for him to come over and offer his regrets. However, I see that there are many varied opinions on his actual motive. I'll reserve final judgement for now.

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[quote=saden1;341710]Have you ever seen Redskins players dive at the legs of opposing player?[/quote]


If it were a regular season game, I would want our guys to do the same thing. You can't have your pass rushers thinking, "I hope I don't hurt the Quarterback."

But no. I haven't seen it that I recall. Of course, we were the 31st ranked defense last year, so...

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[quote=70Chip;341727]If it were a regular season game, I would want our guys to do the same thing. You can't have your pass rushers thinking, "I hope I don't hurt the Quarterback."

But no. I haven't seen it that I recall. Of course, we were the 31st ranked defense last year, so...[/quote]

In all the years GW has been coaching them I have never seen them dive at the lower legs of a QB. There have been plenty of opportunities for them to dive, with them getting late to the QB and all, but they never dive.

This whole thing is pretty simple to me and warrants serious punishment and I'm not saying that because it's Jason Campbell, I would be saying the same thing if it was Romo or Eli.

You drive drunk ---> You could kill someone.
You dive at the legs ---> You could end someone's season.

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I said...

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"

He's very lucky. He said it best, if his foot was planted, he would've been in BIG trouble.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;341656]After thinking more about it, I tend to agree with you now. I said before, that while I don't think it was the dirtiest hit ever I still think it was really cheap and I think the dude [I]needs[/I] to be fined by the league. I don't think he should be suspended but he needs to be fined because it really appeared that he could have avoided hitting Campbell's knee if he tried to.[/quote]

The guy was in the heat of the battle and stumbled and fell into JC's legs. You could see he even tried to wrap JC up while he was getting hit. It was not a dirty hit in the least bit nor should the guy be fined. No way could the defender re-gain his balance, lift his body above JC's waist and hit him. That is just ridicules. It's football and guys are going to get hit and that's just how it is. The league has gotten way to sensitive about this all because of Carson Palmer. That hit on Palmer started all this non sense. In the pocket guys are going to be getting pushed and shoved all over the place and at some point someone is going to fall on the QB's knee. If Andre Carter did the same thing to Tony Romo we all would be defending Carter.

Does anyone remember the hit on Trent Green a few years ago? That is a dirty hit cause Rodney Harrison had plenty of time to pick himself back up, he just choose not to.

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Thanks for the love. Recently moved to NYC last year (for work), but despite being in Giants/Jets territory (and keeping up on Strahan's baby mama drama), my blood will forever remain burgundy and gold. I plan to make it down for games, and will represent at Giants Stadium. Gotta find a Redskin network up here, otherwise all i've got is cable.

Been a fan forever, and know that the only [B]true [/B]monument in the nation's capitol, hands down, is RFK. I swear I heard Theismann's leg snap that Monday night; I remember when MC Hammer was the Falcon's 12th Man. And Art Monk (tears well)...Canton...I still have my Mobil yellow seat cushion, the one that 54,999 other fans thew when he caught Rypien's pass that sent us to the SuperBowl. And then the tough love years of revolving coaches and 5-11. Still, you can get through it all if you head to the RV section for some serious tailgaiting. Find a Winnebago called Da Mayor. Back in the day, Marion Barry used it for "community outreach" before the b*tch set him up. A bar owner snagged it in an auction, and there's always a plate.

I could go on, I don't alway live in the past, and promise not to be this wordy. Just thought I'd put out my Redskin cred.

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The hit on Campbell's knee may not have been intentional...but it was illegal. A fine should be in order and I am interested to see if Goodell will maintain order as much "on the field" as he is interested in "off the field".

Also...Stephon Heyer has got to learn to stay with his block and pancake a guy who stumbles like that. In no way should a guy be let go to scramble toward our #1 QB. God damn it grow a set and finish your blocks. Bury the guy into the ground so he can't do anymore damage. I cannot wait until Samuels comes back.

Hail!

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[QUOTE=Skins4lifeDVM;341808]
Also...Stephon Heyer has got to learn to stay with his block and pancake a guy who stumbles like that. In no way should a guy be let go to scramble toward our #1 QB. God damn it grow a set and finish your blocks. Bury the guy into the ground so he can't do anymore damage. I cannot wait until Samuels comes back.

Hail![/QUOTE] I thought Hayer did a great job on Saturday UNTIL I watched the replay and saw that on that play he looked like a matador or something. It was really disappointing because I think he's better than that. I hope he's a really quick learner.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;341820]I thought Hayer did a great job on Saturday UNTIL I watched the replay and saw that on that play he looked like a matador or something. It was really disappointing because I think he's better than that. I hope he's a really quick learner.[/QUOTE]

On the play his footwork was messed up.. He fell for the outside fake and his base wasn't wide enough for him to get back to the inside. It's a common mistake for young lineman, unfortunately Campbell paid the price..

I'm glad Campbell is ok. Hopefully he plays some against Baltimore because he needs to face the best competition he can in order to get better.

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Personally...I do not want JC to play until that backside line is sured up with Samuels. As we have all seen it is way to high a risk to play with a rookie.

Hail!