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[quote=12thMan;343023]Well, I don't get it because if it was about clearing salary space, how come we paid Godfrey 300K more than Marshall? What am I missing here?[/quote]

I haven't seen what Godfrey was paid. Do you have a link?

I assumed it was vet minimum.

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I'm sorry, I'm just not sold on Godfrey being better than Marshall. I'm not saying Marshall was a beast and I'm not saying Godfrey is a scrub. But Marshall has played in this system and started, and Godfrey...well, what have we seen of him in a Redskins uniform.

Unless Godfrey masters this system in a short period of time or he's a really good playmaker, I don't see the upgrade here. Again, only time will tell.

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[quote=Schneed10;343025]I haven't seen what Godfrey was paid. Do you have a link?

I assumed it was vet minimum.[/quote]


He got $1.3MM. I'll try to dig the link up for you.

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Found a link on the Godfrey contract, Adam Shefter:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801a5660&template=without-video&confirm=true]Day of dealings gets focus back on the field[/url]

[QUOTE]Washington signed free-agent linebacker Randall Godfrey to a one-year, $1.3 million contract to help the Redskins linebackers become more physical than they’ve been.[/QUOTE]

So the Marshall/Godfrey move was a net-zero impact on our cap, for the most part. It was simply about who they thought would help us out more at LB.

As for Kendall, we still have the cap room, regardless of the LB move. But this does cut into our ability to extend Cooley and fit him under the 07 cap. It's [B]cuts into [/B]our ability, but it [B]doesn't make an extension impossible[/B].

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[QUOTE=12thMan;343027]I'm sorry, I'm just not sold on Godfrey being better than Marshall. I'm not saying Marshall was a beast and I'm not saying Godfrey is a scrub. But Marshall has played in this system and started, and Godfrey...well, what have we seen of him in a Redskins uniform.

Unless Godfrey masters this system in a short period of time or he's a really good playmaker, I don't see the upgrade here. Again, only time will tell.[/QUOTE]

Well, granted it was seven years ago, but he mastered this system pretty well when he and Williams were in Tennessee together.

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If you put Marshall and Godfrey side by side and ask who's the better player, even at 34 I think most would take Godfrey. He's played under GW before so it shouldn't be a major task to get him up to speed. The main concern is getting him into football shape.

Marshall simply doesn't have the size to hold up on the strongside for an extended period of time. As I said earlier, I think GW had flashbacks of Holdman getting run over and didn't want to see the same thing happen this year considering Washington has some injury concerns.

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I like the move. I hope it is for a 5th Rounder if only that it may mean the Skins are at least trying to get as much value for their picks as possible. The Skin's draft next year is going to be filled with linemen both Offensive and Defensive

Even if we pay a fourth, I'll be okay with it. We may get more than one year outta the guy and, if so, that's a huge help.

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******comments to other thread*****

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ESPN Radio just confirmed that Pete Kendall was traded to Washington for an undisclosed draft pick. GREAT MOVE!!!!!

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Yeah, they just confirmed it on Redskins Radio. He just needs to pass a physical. I feel better about the Oline!!

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[QUOTE=12thMan;343047]Here's my take in a nutshell, and I know we should move this to the other thread. But whatever we think we'll gain in Godfrey, we lose in chemistry with Marshall.

He played for GW, what , seven years ago? You know I'm never sold on these retreads that we bring off the street that played for some coordinator once upon a time. I really hope this guy is good. But if he's just okay, why do we let a LeMar Marshall walk, that's all I'm saying.

If Godfrey is just as good as Marshall, why even let Marshall walk?[/QUOTE]

Yeah let's keep the Godfrey/Marshall talk out of this thread

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I like the signing as it shores up the only glaring question mark on the O-line. I wish, however, we could have found a younger guard to trade for and had not traded our 5th rounder. A 5th rounder seems kinda high for a 34 y.o. disgruntled guard. Isn't that what Miami gave up for its new starting QB?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;343013]Anybody know off hand what picks we have next year if we give up this fourth or fifth?[/QUOTE]


Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I think we have all our DC's next year except for our 4th which we still owe as part of the Duckett trade last year.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

JLC on the move:

Posted at 11:43 AM ET, 08/23/2007
Pete Kendall To The Rescue
The Redskins have acquired guard Pete Kendall from the New York Jets to fill their void at left guard, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Kendall, who has endured a rocky relationship with Jets management in recent years, is a smart, capable veteran who can replace departed free agent Derrick Dockery. He can play all three interior positions but the Redskins have an immediate need at left guard, with tackle Todd Wade struggling to make the transition to that position, and relying on reserve Mike Pucillo in that spot in last week's preseason game.

Kendall, who turns 34 next month, had begin working with the Jets starters again in recent weeks, and over the weekend teams that inquired about his availability were told that New York planned to keep him. However, the Redskins were eager to firm up the left side of their line - quarterback Jason Campbell was nearly lost for the season due to a hit Saturday night and could miss the remainder of the preseason - and Kendall was considered the best option available.

Kendall (6-5, 292) is in his 12th year and spent the last 4 with the Jets and was a first round pick by Seattle in 1996. He has started 156 games.

Three NFL executives who scouted the Redskins over the weekend all came to the same conclusion about Washington's issues at left guard, and time was running out for Wade to make the transition. Now, with Kendall here, Wade could go back to being a reserve tackle if need be - Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels has missed nearly the entire preseason with a knee injury - and Washington's depth on the line - considered a major deficiency by many scouts - is much improved.

The Redskins have been averse to trading any more 2008 draft picks - their 4th rounder is already gone from last year's acquisition of TJ Duckett - and I have not been able to nail down if they gave up a 4th or a 5th in 2009, but it's believed to be one of those two picks. They gave Kendall a $1 million raise as part of the deal as well, so he'll make $2.7 million this season. Kendall has played previously for Seattle, Arizona and New York.

Kendall is not here yet and must still pass a physical, but that looks like a mere formality at this point.

Good move by the Skins and one, frankly, they had to do because of the position they were in. Like people told me over the weekend, they were asking for trouble with the combinations they had.

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I like the move, it should put an end to the experiment and speculation at the position. I have not liked what I've seen the last two weeks on the left side, this move let's me know the coaches were not impressed either. I'm sure we all were hoping the move with Wade would work out, but obviously that does not apear to be the case.

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[quote=Schneed10;342999]From a salary cap standpoint, the Lemar Marshall move now makes all the sense in the world. Cutting Marshall and signing Godfrey cleared approximately $1 million in cap space. I'd be shocked if the Marshall cut wasn't partially driven by the need to clear space for Kendall's $2.7 million hit this season.

To me, the pieces of the puzzle all fit now. The 'Skins clearly have been working behind the scenes to acquire an answer at LG. They needed to clear the cap space, the Marshall move allowed them to fit Kendall under the cap and still maintain enough space to extend Cooley this year if they wish.

It may be just a rumor at this point, but I think the salary cap moves of late speak to this being a 100% done deal. I'd take it to the bank, Kendall is a 'Skin.

Great series of moves IMO. Way to go FO.[/quote]

i actually like all that a lot. You're right about how lamar's cut makes more sense. I am actually really happy and content the way we did this.

I am really happy about this. Dockery wasn't worth the money and this is a good way to fix some wrongs. I still wish we would have locked doc up a year before but it is what it is.

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Know what I love? The Bills paying $7 million a year for Dockery vs us paying $2.7 million this year for Pete Kendall.

And they both have the same strengths: run blocking. Dock certainly has more potential because of his youth, but man, I don't see a glaring difference between Dock and Kendall at this point in their careers.

Shrewd moves by our FO. Definitely doesn't make sense to pay Dockery that much when you can get a similar LG for a third of the price (draft pick notwithstanding).

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Should any of this following statement by PFT be of concern?

"...It had become increasingly clear that a divorce was needed. Cimini devoted a recent item to [B]Kendall's history of using painkillers to allow himself to play. Though Kendall stopped short of saying that he wouldn't continue to use medications in order to be able to suit up and perform, a source with knowledge of the situation made it clear to us that Kendall would not be using any pain medication if the team didn't adjust his contract[/B]..."

As SmootSmack stated earlier, PFT may not "filter" a lot of their rumors, but this issue of potential continued "use of painkillers" caught my eye...if true of course.

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[quote=Schneed10;343074]Know what I love? The Bills paying $7 million a year for Dockery vs us paying $2.7 million this year for Pete Kendall.

And they both have the same strengths: run blocking. Dock certainly has more potential because of his youth, but man, I don't see a glaring difference between Dock and Kendall at this point in their careers.

Shrewd moves by our FO. Definitely doesn't make sense to pay Dockery that much when you can get a similar LG for a third of the price (draft pick notwithstanding).[/quote]

Two years from now, I think the Dockery non-signing looks even better for us. He'll be a few years older, and by then we should have acquired a top notch guard via the draft at a much lower salary.

Let's just hope we can make it through the season with Kendall and Pucillo at guard.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;343076]Should any of this following statement by PFT be of concern?

"...It had become increasingly clear that a divorce was needed. Cimini devoted a recent item to [B]Kendall's history of using painkillers to allow himself to play. Though Kendall stopped short of saying that he wouldn't continue to use medications in order to be able to suit up and perform, a source with knowledge of the situation made it clear to us that Kendall would not be using any pain medication if the team didn't adjust his contract[/B]..."

As SmootSmack stated earlier, PFT may not "filter" a lot of their rumors, but this issue of potential continued "use of painkillers" caught my eye...if true of course.[/quote]

Well, his contract got adjusted here in Washington. He got what he wanted, the extra $1 million added to his salary. Seems like now he should be satisfied and would be willing to take any painkillers if need be.

I think that's a crappy rumor though, and just something to fuss over. I don't think this issue will have any impact on the Washington Redskins.

If the Pete Kendall experiment doesn't work out, it won't be because of the painkiller issue. It will be because he has to pick up a new blocking scheme, get used to new teammates, or because he actually gets injured.

For the record, I think the Pete Kendall experiment will work out just fine.

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[quote=Schneed10;343078]Well, his contract got adjusted here in Washington. He got what he wanted, the extra $1 million added to his salary. Seems like now he should be satisfied and would be willing to take any painkillers if need be.

I think that's a crappy rumor though, and just something to fuss over. I don't think this issue will have any impact on the Washington Redskins.

If the Pete Kendall experiment doesn't work out, it won't be because of the painkiller issue. It will be because he has to pick up a new blocking scheme, get used to new teammates, or because he actually gets injured.

For the record, I think the Pete Kendall experiment will work out just fine.[/quote]

Let's hope so. So now we have two former Jets playing guard for us.

As an aside, Chad Pennington aint looking so good this preseason.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;342999]From a salary cap standpoint, the Lemar Marshall move now makes all the sense in the world. Cutting Marshall and signing Godfrey cleared approximately $1 million in cap space. I'd be shocked if the Marshall cut wasn't partially driven by the need to clear space for Kendall's $2.7 million hit this season.

To me, the pieces of the puzzle all fit now. The 'Skins clearly have been working behind the scenes to acquire an answer at LG. They needed to clear the cap space, the Marshall move allowed them to fit Kendall under the cap and still maintain enough space to extend Cooley this year if they wish.

It may be just a rumor at this point, but I think the salary cap moves of late speak to this being a 100% done deal. I'd take it to the bank, Kendall is a 'Skin.

Great series of moves IMO. Way to go FO.[/QUOTE]

Good post, Schneed. I agree.

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So it looks like it will be a 2009 pick, conditional pick 4th or 5th (depending on playing time I suppose)

Not a bad deal I suppose. He's old, but he can still hold it down for another couple of years.

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So is there a possibility that Wade could play LT until Samuels comes back? I know he's not 100% himself and it matters less to me since Campbell probably won't play anyway, but it might be some improvement over Heyer. Or does Wade's failure at LG mean he is purely suited to playing the right side?

If Wade is back to being a backup tackle, then I don't see why he shouldn't do exactly that - backup an injured tackle.

BTW, assuming there isn't some poison pill aspect to the Kendall deal, his health or some other surprise, he looks like a brilliant acquisiion, if you look at him as Dockery's replacement. (As oppossed to an act of desperation) Less expensive and at least as good at the very worst. He is oldish but we can just say experienced instead.

I guess I have to give it up for the FO. They never would have gotten a deal like this in FA. I prefer the approach of putting together your team and soldiering forward regardless, but this move seems like it was too good to pass up. (I guess I have visions of Snyder getting carried away and plotting more and more trades every time someone makes a bad play in a pre-season game)

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[quote=SmootSmack;343083]So it looks like it will be a 2009 pick, conditional pick 4th or 5th (depending on playing time I suppose)

Not a bad deal I suppose. He's old, but he can still hold it down for another couple of years.[/quote]

Does anyone know where our roster ranks in terms avg. age per player?

Smooty, check your PM.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;343086]Does anyone know where our roster ranks in terms avg. age per player?

Smooty, check your PM.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing in my inbox

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Hopefully this allows Wade to go back to his natural position, because frankly Jansen looks like poop. We may need Wade to fill in for Jansen at some point.

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It's a nice aquisition but it seems like it will be a while for him to learn the offense.

I don't see any offensive cohesion with him until the second half of the season.

I like the add, but I don't want to be a dreamer.

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Don't know if Wade can play on the left, but I imagine he can, if he was going to LG. But having him backup Jansen is crucial.

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This is a great short term signing by the Skins. Kendall will be able to fill the void at LG, Wade just couldn't get the job done, but who knows if Jansen struggles at RT Wade could jump in there right away. I now feel a hell of a lot more comfortable about the O-line depth. Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen starting, and Wade, Pucillo, Heyer, and Fabini as capable backups. One thing that concerns me is how old our Line is, we're definitely going to need to get some youngblood in here after this season, but we still have this season to be excited about.

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I like the trade.

Just an observation: are the New York Jets officially our farm team, or is it still unofficial?

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So who's the bozo that doesn't like this move?

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[quote=RMSkins;343096]This is a great short term signing by the Skins. Kendall will be able to fill the void at LG, Wade just couldn't get the job done, but who knows if Jansen struggles at RT Wade could jump in there right away. I now feel a hell of a lot more comfortable about the O-line depth. Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen starting, and Wade, Pucillo, Heyer, and Fabini as capable backups. One thing that concerns me is how old our Line is, [I][B]we're definitely going to need to get some youngblood in here after this season, but we still have this season to be excited about.[/B][/I][/quote]

I agree, AND we still have a good number of high draft picks left for us to TAKE said linemen with.

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Great move FO. i hope this sures up the oline issues. Also I think you guys are right about getting rid of Marshal to clear room for Kendall, and also upgrading the position of LB with signing of Godfrey. Now that we seem pretty set on our roster, we should concentrate on getting cooley locked up for years to come. Hail!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;343083]So it looks like it will be a 2009 pick, conditional pick 4th or 5th (depending on playing time I suppose)

Not a bad deal I suppose. He's old, but he can still hold it down for another couple of years.[/quote]

CNNSI is reporting either a 2008 5th rounder or a 2009 4th rounder, presumably based on playing time, but they could very well be wrong. If that is the deal, barring injury, it would appear that the 2009 4th rounder would be the most likely outcome. By the way, Kendall apparently was signed through 2009 by the Jets (with base salaries of $2 million for 2008 and $2.393 million for 2009; [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2988171]ESPN.com[/url]). Anyone know how the Redskins dealt with the contract? Adam Schefter reports a 2-year contract (is that an extension, or was the old Jets contract just voided out?). Just curious, but all the details probably aren't out there yet. At this point, I like the move, probably the best option they had and a 4th rounder two years out doesn't seem so bad to me (at least in 2007 it doesn't).

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;343106]I agree, AND we still have a good number of high draft picks left for us to TAKE said linemen with.[/quote]
Exactly, hopefully we keep those high draft picks to get someone. I wouldn't throw our 1st rounder on a lineman, but we can definitely find quality guys in the 2nd, and 3rd rounds.

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[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2988171&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines"]Jets Deal Unhappy O-lineman Kendall[/URL]

What makes me feel great is the choice of words in the first two paragraphs. Let's pick a few out, shall we?

Acrimony
Bickering
Disgruntled
Upset
Railed
Grievances
Dispute

All used to describe a 34-year old football player.

Gives me goosebumps all over.

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Honestly, I'd use our first AND second on offensive line next year. If our defense can hold up this year and prove something. I would love to use our early picks on the best tackle (first round) and guard available. The Ravens got Ben Grubbs, arguably the best offensive linemen in the draft besides Thomas, in the late first round.

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[quote=mheisig;343120][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2988171&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines"]Jets Deal Unhappy O-lineman Kendall[/URL]

What makes me feel great is the choice of words in the first two paragraphs. Let's pick a few out, shall we?

Acrimony
Bickering
Disgruntled
Upset
Railed
Grievances
Dispute

All used to describe a 34-year old football player.

Gives me goosebumps all over.[/quote]

I'd be more nervous if we signed him to a seven year deal. But as a stop-gap for a couple seasons, I can't imagine he'll cause that many problems, if any.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=mheisig;343120][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2988171&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines"]Jets Deal Unhappy O-lineman Kendall[/URL]

What makes me feel great is the choice of words in the first two paragraphs. Let's pick a few out, shall we?

Acrimony
Bickering
Disgruntled
Upset
Railed
Grievances
Dispute

All used to describe a 34-year old football player.

Gives me goosebumps all over.[/quote]

... all caused by [B]MONEY[/B].

He just got his raise. I think he'll be fine.