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[QUOTE=mooby;356084]2-1 is the only bright spot here. Although the way the entire team played today we could very well be looking at another 5-6 win season. I blame this loss more on the defense than the offense. We're up 17-3, it's on the defense to shut them down. Instead, we hand them 21 friggin points, and they shut our offense down. Granted, the playcalling was very conservative, and teams don't win by that, so i'm putting the blame on the entire team for this one.[/QUOTE]

With the amount of time the defense spent on the feild, and the playcalling of the offense, I think THAT speaks for itself....yeah the defense didnt play great in the second half...but when you're playing for 30 straight mintues, that is going to play a big factor into why you cant play solid defense....

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Giants came out second half with incresaed intensity and the skins didn't..by the time they realized that fact it was a little too late. You can't strive to be one of the better teams in the league and have two TOTALLY different half's...after all they are all professionals. Also...the divorce papers are in the mail.

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[quote=Mattyk72;356067]I dunno, I saw the same offense that I've seen the past few weeks. Only difference is today we didn't convert on 3rd downs enough.[/quote]

I didnt. Play calling was much more conservative adn they only opened it up in the last drive. It was just run run run run swing pass, run run run, dump off deep bomb.

That kinda stuff isn't going to fly. It seemed like Gibbs was calling the shots this time until the end. It became almost comical how predictable the playcalling was. My friends and I were calling all the plays during the 2nd half before they happened.

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If you've been around the game so long, Gtripp. How come we hardly even attempted to throw the ball against the worst passing D in the NFL? The run game is important, but after the first two 3 and outs, time to mix it up.

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sellers shouldve had both those runs at the end hes a sure yard or two

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[quote=Gmanc711;356102]With the amount of time the defense spent on the feild, and the playcalling of the offense, I think THAT speaks for itself....yeah the defense didnt play great in the second half...but when you're playing for 30 straight mintues, that is going to play a big factor into why you cant play solid defense....[/quote]Well, the defense had already racked up 6-7 minutes of time on the field in the third quarter before Campbell and co. even took the field. So if you look at it that way...

The defense played awful from there on out. The offense played awful from there on out. It's encouraging that we apparently got it turned around with 3 mins left, but if your team plays a shitty 27 mins of football, what can you do?

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[quote=jdlea;356100]I'm not calling for anyone's head. Not at all. I'm just upset about this one.[/quote]

Yeah, I wasn't saying that towards anyone, just stating my opinion, but I am really upset too. This team just isn't playing as well as I would have hoped. We still got plenty of time to turn it around, but I really doubt we win the division, and I think Ill cry myself to sleep tonight over that.

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Hate to lose a division game at home against a reeling team that we had up against the wall. This should leave a bad taste in the mouths of every player and coach in that locker room. Now they have two weeks to think about how they could have buried the giants in a hole, and instead let them get away with one. All I can say is it doesn't get any easier after this one. These are the games they need to win to compete in this division, and it didn't happen. Enjoy the week off.

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[quote=Daseal;356109]If you've been around the game so long, Gtripp. How come we hardly even attempted to throw the ball against the worst passing D in the NFL? The run game is important, but after the first two 3 and outs, time to mix it up.[/quote]

EXACTLY.

Worst passing defense in the league. Why the fuck aren't we passing against them 2 out of 3 downs??? Terrible play calling. Period. I like how people will stick in and defend the playcalling whether it be Joe or Al. It just sucked. Predictable, conservative and it did not take advantage of the defense we were matched up against.

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[quote=Daseal;356109]If you've been around the game so long, Gtripp. How come we hardly even attempted to throw the ball against the worst passing D in the NFL? The run game is important, but after the first two 3 and outs, time to mix it up.[/quote][URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29240&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG3"]We did[/URL].

If you were watching (or had the internet), you could see that on the first two three and outs of the third quarter, they called four passes and two runs. Campbell looked horrible on those passes. Guess they figured at that point to commit to the running game. I have no problem with that.

The game had already been tied at that point, so I think there was a sense of urgency in the coaches. Did it work? Obviously not, but we ran the ball TWICE (for 11 yards) in the third quarter.

Conservative my ass.

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In fact, the "run, run, pass" playcalling you [I]thought[/I] you saw happened a grand total of ONCE the entire game. It appears you're just wrong on this one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;356127]In fact, the "run, run, pass" playcalling you [I]thought[/I] you saw happened a grand total of ONCE the entire game. It appears you're just wrong on this one.[/quote]

People love to play the "blame the play calling" card after a loss.

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do we know for a fact that gibbs called the plays? why do people call for his head basically just because it LOOKs like a play he would call. How do you know who called what plays? none of us know for sure who call those plays.

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[quote=GTripp0012;356119][URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29240&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG3"]We did[/URL].

If you were watching (or had the internet), you could see that on the first two three and outs of the third quarter, they called four passes and two runs. Campbell looked horrible on those passes. Guess they figured at that point to commit to the running game. I have no problem with that.

The game had already been tied at that point, so I think there was a sense of urgency in the coaches. Did it work? Obviously not, but we ran the ball TWICE (for 11 yards) in the third quarter.

Conservative my ass.[/quote]

What bothers me is that we did not throw enough mid range stuff. 15-25 yards. JC is not good at that short dump off stuff right now. But he throws some lasers when it's in the mid range. But it looks like we were not taking enough chances with those type of passes. I want to see those passes on first down, not 3rd and long.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;356134]do we know for a fact that gibbs called the plays? why do people call for his head basically just because it LOOKs like a play he would call. How do you know who called what plays? none of us know for sure who call those plays.[/quote]

Gibbs is not calling the plays and hasn't since Saunders got here.

He sure as hell doesn't look like someone calling plays either, anytime they show him on the sidelines he's walking around with his arms crossed.

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and maybe the play call was right but wasnt executed right? or someone missed a blocker or something. we can always second guess

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[quote=Mattyk72;356140]Gibbs is not calling the plays and hasn't since Saunders got here.

He sure as hell doesn't look like someone calling plays either, anytime they show him on the sidelines he's walking around with his arms crossed.[/quote]
EXACTLY what i was saying.. people saying it was gibbs calling the plays..

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or on that last play maybe if betts hadnt tripped......... maybe???

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Well we better get a pass rush going gents for the Lions or they are going to beat us at home for the first time since 1967. To be a true winner we need to be hitting on all cylinders for 4 quarters of the game. It is almost like our coaching staff wants to make it a close game or even to lose it. Gibbs II is looking rather shaky right now. We need a convincing win against the Lions after the bye to get things going. IF we lose to the Lions at home for the first time since '67 we are screwed!!!!!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;356136]What bothers me is that we did not throw enough mid range stuff. 15-25 yards. JC is not good at that short dump off stuff right now. But he throws some lasers when it's in the mid range. But it looks like we were not taking enough chances with those type of passes. I want to see those passes on first down, not 3rd and long.[/quote]Well, we had receivers running the mid range routes, and in general enough time for Campbell to deliver the ball. Whatever the reason, I think Campbell is man enough to accept the blame for the miscommunications and use it to better himself. I thought he had a horrible half, but he's young and as long as he accepts responsibility for his failures, I see no reason to panic.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;356147]Well we better get a pass rush going gents for the Lions or they are going to beat us at home for the first time since 1967. To be a true winner we need to be hitting on all cylinders for 4 quarters of the game. It is almost like our coaching staff wants to make it a close game or even to lose it. Gibbs II is looking rather shaky right now. We need a convincing win against the Lions after the bye to get things going. IF we lose to the Lions at home for the first time since '67 we are screwed!!!!!![/quote]The Lions are terrible.

We have to look better than we did today for sure, but their pass D is every bit as bad as what people thought the Giants were.

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[quote=Mattyk72;356132]People love to play the "blame the play calling" card after a loss.[/quote]I know.

It's sad since no matter what play the coach sends in, the offense always has a chance to excute it. The offense should always be held responsible for poor play, even if the playcalling did them no favors.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;356134]do we know for a fact that gibbs called the plays? why do people call for his head basically just because it LOOKs like a play he would call. How do you know who called what plays? none of us know for sure who call those plays.[/quote]


joe called the plays in the second or he told saunders this how we are going to approach it. i am fine with gibbs calling plays. we should just get rid of al saunders then. we brought him here to open up the offense and improve from the offense in 2005. 2006 was a diaster. we dont know who called the plays but i think we have seen this playing before and saunders wasnt here yet.

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Wow, didn't take some of you guys long to turn to gloom and doom! And to already be calling for coaches' heads! That's what pathetic.

Let's get some things straight: Al Saunders calls the plays, not Joe Gibbs. Funny how people call puts the blame on Gibbs when the offense suffers. Wasn't it Gibbs' play calling that got us into the playoffs a couple of seasons ago? Not Al Saunders. Stop with the petty finger pointing.

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We didn't match intensity in the 2nd half, that's for sure. The playcalls, on BOTH SIDES left a lot to be desired.. Manning hates pressure in his face up the middle, yet on the rare occasions we did blitz we send pressure from the edges.. Their secondary is piss poor, yet we didn't come out attacking them in the 2nd half..

Not calling for anyone's head or major changes, I expected us to be 2-1 at this point in the season (although I figured the loss would be to the Eagles, not the Giants) but we've got to stop sitting on a 2 touchdown lead and start trying to blow teams away when we have them on the ropes!

Last week Tirico kept saying how many games we've lost under Gibbs 2.0 with an 11 point or more lead (it was like 12 games).. That's a sure fire sign we are not putting our foot on the necks of our opponents!

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Dont cared who called the plays. We got fucked because this situation should have never happened.

WHY WE LOST

1. The portis fumble
2. The Springs pass interference
3. Rogers not paying attention on the Burress TD.
4. Conserative playcalling for some fucking reason.
5. Betts being in the game at the end.
6. Sellers falling down every fucking time we ran in the 2nd half.
7. Sellers dropping a TD pass on 2nd and goal.
8. Spiking the ball on 1st and goal, WTF suprise them and just go up the middle.
9. We had 25 seonds to calm down and run the 4th down play and for some reason we rushed it.
10. We always fuck up against the Giants for some stupd ass reason.
11. The offense didnt help the defense out, no defense can win you a game when they are on the field for 20+ minutes in a half.
12. 81 yards in the second half.
13. Not taking advantage of 3 good returns by Cartwright
14. The missed FG by Suisham at the start of the game. He could have kicked one on the second to last drive and kicked one on the last drive.
15. Dropped passes (Portis, Moss)
16. Not going to Cooley when the Giants have been torched by tight ends all fucking season.
17. No double moves to Moss when he has vitimized their corners with that since coming to the NFL.

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Playcalling didn't lose this game. Saunders was sending in passing plays, but until the final minute or so of the game, Campbell couldn't find anyone open. I was more upset with the inability of the running game to get on track.

The Giants picked one game to step the hell up and play defense, and it was this one. By the same token, the Redskins chose one game to take the second half off, and it was this one.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;356233]Dont cared who called the plays. We got fucked because this situation should have never happened.

WHY WE LOST

1. The portis fumble
2. The Springs pass interference
3. Rogers not paying attention on the Burress TD.
4. Conserative playcalling for some fucking reason.
5. Betts being in the game at the end.
6. Sellers falling down every fucking time we ran in the 2nd half.
7. Sellers dropping a TD pass on 2nd and goal.
8. Spiking the ball on 1st and goal, WTF suprise them and just go up the middle.
9. We had 25 seonds to calm down and run the 4th down play and for some reason we rushed it.
10. We always fuck up against the Giants for some stupd ass reason.
11. The offense didnt help the defense out, no defense can win you a game when they are on the field for 20+ minutes in a half.
12. 81 yards in the second half.
13. Not taking advantage of 3 good returns by Cartwright
14. The missed FG by Suisham at the start of the game. He could have kicked one on the second to last drive and kicked one on the last drive.
15. Dropped passes (Portis, Moss)
16. Not going to Cooley when the Giants have been torched by tight ends all fucking season.
17. No double moves to Moss when he has vitimized their corners with that since coming to the NFL.[/quote]Great post against the Giants.

I could be anal and point out that some of those reasons are just to fluff the list, but the central point is great, there are about 50 reasons more directly related to why we lost than anything that had to do with playcalling.

The playcalling was ANYthing but conservative. The passes just did not work. Period.

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[quote=redskins5044;356213]joe called the plays in the second or he told saunders this how we are going to approach it. i am fine with gibbs calling plays. we should just get rid of al saunders then. we brought him here to open up the offense and improve from the offense in 2005. 2006 was a diaster. we dont know who called the plays but i think we have seen this playing before and saunders wasnt here yet.[/quote]

The question is Gibbs letting him open up the offense?? I don't think so.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;356233]Dont cared who called the plays. We got fucked because this situation should have never happened.

WHY WE LOST

1. The portis fumble
2. The Springs pass interference
[B]3. Rogers not paying attention on the Burress TD.[/b]
4. Conserative playcalling for some fucking reason.
5. Betts being in the game at the end.
6. Sellers falling down every fucking time we ran in the 2nd half.
7. Sellers dropping a TD pass on 2nd and goal.
8. Spiking the ball on 1st and goal, WTF suprise them and just go up the middle.
9. We had 25 seonds to calm down and run the 4th down play and for some reason we rushed it.
10. We always fuck up against the Giants for some stupd ass reason.
11. The offense didnt help the defense out, no defense can win you a game when they are on the field for 20+ minutes in a half.
12. 81 yards in the second half.
13. Not taking advantage of 3 good returns by Cartwright
14. The missed FG by Suisham at the start of the game. He could have kicked one on the second to last drive and kicked one on the last drive.
15. Dropped passes (Portis, Moss)
16. Not going to Cooley when the Giants have been torched by tight ends all fucking season.
17. No double moves to Moss when he has vitimized their corners with that since coming to the NFL.[/QUOTE]
Has anyone ever seen a starting NFL CB with worse ball skills than Rogers? He does realize he's supposed to actually either look for the ball or tackle the man with it, right?

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Here is how I see it. If Al S. was brought in here to run his type of offense then let him do it. Otherwise why bring him here? I know this is not the type of offense I saw in KC and STL. Snyder has to be pissed as hell paying Al S. 2 mil a year for an offense Don Breux or Jack Burns can run at a far smaller price. LOL!!!!!!!

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yeaaaa the 2nd half pretty much sucked balls, it was really sad and of course as always when there are like 3 or 4 min remaining in the game they decide to throw the ball, something along the line of "OHHH shit we are loosing how about we throw the ball" F..... that shit, the game was ours until the 2nd half i just watched the game going the entire time Wtf was that. i am still shocked and sick to my stomach, i could barely eat. i just dont understand why dont we spread the offense, where was cooley where was Lloyd(granted he blows), where was EL pretty much for the whole game? when is gibbs gonna try to understand that you cant use that conservative play calling bullshit for the entire game.. Fing A im not asking for a bengals offense, i dont expect 50 points a game but for christ sakes take some chances. most of the 2nd half i thought brunell was playing not campbell. with that off my chest im gonna get back to watching bears hopefully beat cowgirls

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;356154]I know.

It's sad since no matter what play the coach sends in, the offense always has a chance to excute it. The offense should always be held responsible for poor play, even if the playcalling did them no favors.[/QUOTE]

Well guess what guys...if the players had the chance to execute whatever, than they would pay someone like me ten bucks a hour to go out there and coach the skins, not pay someone five million dollars a year....

You can play the "coaches can do no wrong" card all you want, but there is a reason they are getting paid out the ass and thats becuase some coaches can be the difference between winning and losing football games....if it was as simple as guys executing plays, than no coaches would ever get fired and whoever was on the feild would be the only ones whos jobs are on the line....I just hate the fact that we cant question this horseshit somtimes.

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Yeah, the reason Spurrier didn't work out is because the players didn't execute, but I didn't see everyone riding to his rescue.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;356282]Yeah, the reason Spurrier didn't work out is because the players didn't execute, but I didn't see everyone riding to his rescue.[/QUOTE]

Cuz he sucked big time as a head coach in the NFL.

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Great job at proving my point. Thanks.

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WTF does Spurrier have to do with anything?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;356294]WTF does Spurrier have to do with anything?[/QUOTE]

LOL! Oh but Matty, he was such a great coach for us that there must be some value in bringing his name up now...LOL!

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Guys, I loves Gibbs to death, been a Skins fan since '79, but we do not have a first class coaching staff anymore. I look around the league at the playcalling and the coaching going on, and it is impressive and risk taking and gutsy, Patriots, Colts, Cowboys, Eagles, man all of those teams go for the juggler when they get a lead. Tiger Woods style, get the lead and then pour it on!!!, Where is that with our team? We play scared to death, which is why all of our games come down to the wire. Gibbs is always talking about how every game in the NFL is a dog fight, but when you have a team down 17-3 at half time, you have to pour it on and take them out before they regain their heart.

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I'm thinking that this is one loss out of three games we have played so far this season. We have 13 more games left to play. Take it like a man and stick with this team through thick and thin. As far as I'm concerned, there is no bandwagon. I'm with this team regardless. Always have been, always will be. If people want to wet their pants over our first loss of the season, so be it. Yeah, it was a game we should've won, but we lost it. It sucks. Get over it. Let's move on to Detroit.