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I feel yo pain my fellow redskin.Keep the faith.Thanks fo keepin it real. [INDENT][quote=Gmanc711;364184]I really feel bad for Jason Campbell, because he played a hellava game today, these drops and bullshit need to be corrected and its on the idvidual players themselves to take care of it[/quote]

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Offense was bad cause they didn't execute. The line did a pretty damn good job considering how many backup players we have in there. The coaches called an awesome game for the most part.

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Our offense is pathetic "period" or our offense was pathetic today? Which one is it? I ask because no one thought the offense was pathetic last week, maybe it's because we won the game against the Lions. Each week we seem to struggle with the two extremes, winning and losing, when we win, all is well with the world, when we lose, all hell breaks loose. We've got to find a happy medium between the two extremes.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;364266]Our offense is pathetic "period" or our offense was pathetic today? Which one is it? I ask because no one thought the offense was pathetic last week, maybe it's because we won the game against the Lions. Each week we seem to struggle with the two extremes, winning and losing, when we win, all is well with the world, when we lose, all hell breaks loose. We've got to find a happy medium between the two extremes.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, good luck with that

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;364267]Yeah, good luck with that[/QUOTE]


I know smack, we've been there so many times before, haven't we?

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I jusr disagree that the offense was bad. Individuals made mistakes but the overall cogesion and playcalling was good in my opinion. Seriously we lost the gaem because we had an aversion to the ball individually. Not anything else.

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when guys don't practice fully you cannot rely on them....should have run the ball more on third down

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The coaching staff is killing this team. They mismanage the clock, take a timeout and then call a 2 yd pass play when they need 3 for the 1st down.

There is a lot of talent on this team but the coaches stink.

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Was it really all of our coaches. We have always had some terrible clock management and I do have to say some of the play calling was pretty iffy, but our players have to try their best and we had so many dropped passes that would have been first downs on the 3rd it's not even funny.

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[quote=irish;364287]The coaching staff is killing this team. They mismanage the clock, take a timeout and then call a 2 yd pass play when they need 3 for the 1st down.

There is a lot of talent on this team but the coaches stink.[/quote]

The coaches didn't make Campbell throw it to Betts. McCardell was wide open for a first down. Part of a young QB's growing pains.

Having said that, Saunders seemed a bit pass-happy today. And that reverse. We must be the worst reverse team in the history of organized football.

Also, the coaches didn't drop any passes. None that I saw anyways.

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not sure if its posted anywheres else but with the trade deadline i think this tuesday, do we make a move for an o lineman or 2?

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[quote=70Chip;364314]The coaches didn't make Campbell throw it to Betts. McCardell was wide open for a first down. Part of a young QB's growing pains.

Having said that, Saunders seemed a bit pass-happy today. And that reverse.[B] We must be the worst reverse team in the history of organized football.[/B]

Also, the coaches didn't drop any passes. None that I saw anyways.[/quote]

Sad but true.

I'm pretty young, but I can even remember back in the 90's when the Skins would run the reverse (or the fake) and it actually WORK time and time again.

Too bad those days are long gone.

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We were not the deepest team in the league going into the season, and with all the injuries on the offensive side of the ball, it's unrealistic to think they can operate fluently under that set of circumstances. Couple that with the growing pains of a maturing young QB, any team is going to struggle at times.

Offensive woes aside, there were some good things. The defense palyed a very good game, "if" we could have back the Moss fumble for six, even with all the mistakes this could have been a different game. We need to find a way to score more points, "that's the bottom line". New England is 6-0 because they have scored more than thirty points in each of their games, had we been able to do the same, we'd be 5-0 as opposed to 3-2.

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My biggest issue with the offense was the ridiculous reverse call to Moss that led to the fumble and winning TD for GB. Why does Saunders feel a desire to trick teams? The Skins had significantly outplayed the Packers to that point, despite the close score. Portis had broken a couple 10+ yard runs in the 2nd half, and the Skins had GREAT field position after Rock's excellent kick return. Moss had footing problems with the wet turf all day, yet on that call, Saunders is effectively asking him to to make a hard cut to make the corner. Bad call at a bad time.

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Basically, we lost the game on a couple of turnovers, IMO. Drops and fumbles were the real story here. That's execution, no two ways about it. And JC missed the game winner, most likely, when he overthrew Lloyd.

The good: the D is playing ball, and the problem is not that we just suck on offense, and look pathetic; it's the little things that we are able to fix--drops, timing in the passing game, and fumbles.

The bad: O-line injuries are catching up with us. The run game is not there. We don't seem to have the playmakers to step up and make a play when we really need it on O. We were again really one or two plays away from winning, and couldn't get it done. At some point, you have to make the next step.

The bottom line: we are an up and down team in a relatively weak NFC. We'll most likely be right in the wildcard hunt, but it will take better execution to make it to the playoffs. That's pretty much how I felt at the beginning of the year, so I'm not surprised. It hurts to watch, but look, we are not the Pats. We just aren't that good (yet, I hope!). We just need to find a way to win the ones we need to, and learn from our mistakes. And hopefully, Buges can patch up that O-line so Campbell can have a little more time! he was pressured and hit WAY too much for us to be successful at this stage in JC's career. And he was still hitting people in the hands (and chest and face), despite that. Hang in there, boys.

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Our overall lack of fire on offense pissed me off. No rhythm, a bunch of guys standing around in the second half looking flat footed and befuddled. I was so SICK after the game. AWFUL.

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[QUOTE=irish;364287]The coaching staff is killing this team. They mismanage the clock, take a timeout and then call a 2 yd pass play when they need 3 for the 1st down.

There is a lot of talent on this team but the coaches stink.[/QUOTE]

Seriously! If it wasn't for Gibbs fumbling that ball (which was recovered for a TD), Gibbs bumbling that reception that ended up getting picked, Williams failing to get more of those picks, or Saunders getting blown past for sacks, we totally would have won that game. Damn you coaches!!

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Our PPG average is not going to get it done. I know we're not goin to score 30+ per game like NE does (who does?) but we can't expect the defense to keep winning games for us either. Today's NFL requires 20+ PPG, if you can't acomplish that you're going to struggle to win games.

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[quote=Beemnseven;364216]Honestly, I didn't expect us to win this game, and anyone who was counting on this team to finish better than 9-7 would be borderline delusional in my book.

With the way the offensive line has been absolutely DESTROYED this year with injuries, chalk it up to more experience for Campbell. To be able to have a successful year without the entire starting right side of your offensive line says a lot about your QB.

David Carr has proven to be a bad quarterback period. A completely healthy, effective offensive line wouldn't have made a difference for him.[/quote]

Well, 9-7 after a 2-0 start is just .500 ball. I expect us to play a little better than .500 ball in a weak conference with the defense finally playing the way we knew and expected it could.

My point was that injuries have taken their toll and a lot of players who depend on speed are just "off". Betts is playing really slow. I think we all agree Portis and Moss are both "off", and now ARE has come up gimpy with a hammy... you can't win too many football games with Cooley and McCardell.

My reference to David Carr was more related to the constant punishing hits the guy was taking because of a porous O-Line, not that he was some awesome QB who turned into a backup because he didn't win enough.

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[quote=JWsleep;364351]JC missed the game winner, most likely, when he overthrew Lloyd. [/quote]

I don't know, what Brandon Lloyd calls a "career" is built off of circus catches and he had full hands on that ball and just dropped it.

He could have pretty much written his own prescription for full redemption in the eyes of Redskin Nation had he just been able to make that one play, but as usual, he came up short. I give him credit for laying out on that pass, but I really think that's a catchable ball for a lot of NFL WR's.

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Drops can be worked on in practice, when you have a D lineman in at O line at the end of the game you better have reason to worry. We will probably not see Portis hit the centruy mark rushing this season now as a result of this and we will have to throw more often. I don't think Moss is even 90% healthy and with the crappy weather, it showed. We are a good team, just incredibly banged up right now, but with trips to NYC and Foxboro coming up we are in a load of hurt. Our O line might not make it back to Redskins park alive after the NE game.

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[quote=dgack;364370]I don't know, what Brandon Lloyd calls a "career" is built off of circus catches and he had full hands on that ball and just dropped it.

He could have pretty much written his own prescription for full redemption in the eyes of Redskin Nation had he just been able to make that one play, but as usual, he came up short. I give him credit for laying out on that pass, but I really think that's a catchable ball for a lot of NFL WR's.[/quote]You make that sound like an easy catch. I blame Campbell for not putting a little air under that throw. He must learn to do that when he has receivers running in the clear (remember his missing a wide open Moss at Philly). Campbell mentioned after the game that Lloyd has been practicing very well recently, so perhaps we haven't heard the last of Lloyd just yet.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;364216][B]Honestly, I didn't expect us to win this game, and anyone who was counting on this team to finish better than 9-7 would be borderline delusional in my book[/B].

With the way the offensive line has been absolutely DESTROYED this year with injuries, chalk it up to more experience for Campbell. To be able to have a successful year without the entire starting right side of your offensive line says a lot about your QB.

David Carr has proven to be a bad quarterback period. A completely healthy, effective offensive line wouldn't have made a difference for him.[/QUOTE]

Why is that? We have just as good of a chance at being a 10-6 team as anybody else in the NFC. It's not that far out of reach.

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[quote=SouperMeister;364377]You make that sound like an easy catch. I blame Campbell for not putting a little air under that throw. He must learn to do that when he has receivers running in the clear (remember his missing a wide open Moss at Philly). Campbell mentioned after the game that Lloyd has been practicing very well recently, so perhaps we haven't heard the last of Lloyd just yet.[/quote]

I'm not saying it was easy, just that at the pro level, for the money our receivers are getting paid, those kinds of catches are expected, because guys at that level are paid to make plays far above the level of "easy".

If Mike Espy or even (bless his heart) Taylor Jacobs drops that ball, I can understand that. A starter should catch that more often than he drops it, and today the drops stats spoke for themselves.

Sure, Jason's touch on deep balls still needs some work, but I reject the idea that Jason put that ball in an uncatchable place. If we need receivers who can only catch "easy" throws, there are plenty of good high school receivers down here in Texas who can fill that requirement.

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[quote=SouperMeister;364377]You make that sound like an easy catch. I blame Campbell for not putting a little air under that throw. He must learn to do that when he has receivers running in the clear (remember his missing a wide open Moss at Philly). Campbell mentioned after the game that Lloyd has been practicing very well recently, so perhaps we haven't heard the last of Lloyd just yet.[/quote]

Completely agree. Campbell throws his long balls "on a line". These lead to either overthrows or difficult balls to catch. It would have taken a spectacular catch by Lloyd on that one...

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This thread is pathetic. They made mistakes that they need to work. The offense is pretty good in my opinion. Campbell is the best qb that the redskins have had in a long ass time- since Brad Johnson. He made some mistakes that need to be corrected, but I okay with that because it seemed that he corrected some things from the giants game. The concern for me is the health of the offensive line and gibbs having the team prepared in critical situations. I am pro-gibbs, but at times he just doesn't seem to have thought through game situations. Like under 2:39 left in the game with 1 timeout. Call the timeout before or after the 2 minute warning ? And here's another - 4th and a long 1, should there be a call ready just for this situation ? or if a timeout is needed, should he challenge the spot of the ball - since you are calling a timeout anyways. The worse thing that would happen would be the ball being placed back. Best case: the ball being moved forward, which if i'm not mistaken would save a timeout. Another thing that they could have done was ask to bring out the chains for a measure. That would have given them enough time to think things through (and you can then challenge).

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[quote=warriorzpath;364415]I am pro-gibbs, but at times he just doesn't seem to have thought through game situations. Like under 2:39 left in the game with 1 timeout. Call the timeout before or after the 2 minute warning ? [/quote]

People have piled on this and I'm mystified as to why. That "horrible" call cost us exactly :09 of game time and had ZERO bearing on the outcome of that game.

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[quote=warriorzpath;364415]This thread is pathetic. They made mistakes that they need to work. The offense is pretty good in my opinion. Campbell is the best qb that the redskins have had in a long ass time- since Brad Johnson. He made some mistakes that need to be corrected, but I okay with that because it seemed that he corrected some things from the giants game. The concern for me is the health of the offensive line and gibbs having the team prepared in critical situations. I am pro-gibbs, but at times he just doesn't seem to have thought through game situations. Like under 2:39 left in the game with 1 timeout. Call the timeout before or after the 2 minute warning ? And here's another - 4th and a long 1, should there be a call ready just for this situation ? or if a timeout is needed, should he challenge the spot of the ball - since you are calling a timeout anyways. The worse thing that would happen would be the ball being placed back. Best case: the ball being moved forward, which if i'm not mistaken would save a timeout. Another thing that they could have done was ask to bring out the chains for a measure. That would have given them enough time to think things through (and you can then challenge).[/quote]Speaking of the spot of the ball, the spot after Cooley's catch and dive for the first down marker was absolutely pathetic. I figured that we would be looking at 4th and under a yard instead of 4th and a yard and a half. Still doesn't excuse the poor read on the 4th down play. Bottom line though, there were numerous opportunities to win this game and the offense just didn't get it done. Another poster said that with the outstanding defensive effort, this looked like 2004 all over again, and I couldn't agree more.

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First of all, this isn't meant as a joke - I've said I love JC win or lose and I still do and I always will. But... if I were his agent I would be looking for trade opportunities at this pt. This kid IMO is too good for the piss-poor execution/playcalling/coaching that surrounds him. Even in the most adverse conditions JC himself had a great game (what can you do when your receivers drop about a dozen catchable passes). Campbell is a guy who executes and keeps his head on even when the veterans (Moss, Portis, Lloyd) around him utterly collapse physically and mentally. As much as I want him to stay on to be the pillar of this offense I also want him to be able to have the kind of great success Brady and other QB's have when they're surrounded by professionals.

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[quote=dgack;364421]People have piled on this and I'm mystified as to why. That "horrible" call cost us exactly :09 of game time and had ZERO bearing on the outcome of that game.[/quote]

9 seconds at the end of the game is at least one more play and can change things dramatically, especially being only down by 3 points.

And you never know, if the timeout is called before the 2 minute warning - would green bay call a pass play to try to put the game away with the redskins playing run. It's not that much of a stretch, considering Favre and co's gambling mentally.

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[quote=SouperMeister;364425]Another poster said that with the outstanding defensive effort, this looked like 2004 all over again, and I couldn't agree more.[/quote]

I hope you meant '05, because this team has nothing in common with '04. No QB controversy, a WR corps that (when healthy) is a damn sight better than the Coles/50-50 combo we sported then, a drastically improved offense (15th in the league in total offense as opposed to 30th where the '04 team finished), and so on..

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[quote=warriorzpath;364432]9 seconds at the end of the game is at least one more play and can change things dramatically, especially being only down by 3 points.

And you never know, if the timeout is called before the 2 minute warning - would green bay call a pass play to try to put the game away with the redskins playing run. It's not that much of a stretch, considering Favre and co's gambling mentally.[/quote]

Time was not our enemy at the end, momentum was. That, and the pathological inability to make a play by anybody not named Cooley or Campbell.

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[quote=SouperMeister;364425]Speaking of the spot of the ball, the spot after Cooley's catch and dive for the first down marker was absolutely pathetic. I figured that we would be looking at 4th and under a yard instead of 4th and a yard and a half. Still doesn't excuse the poor read on the 4th down play. Bottom line though, there were numerous opportunities to win this game and the offense just didn't get it done. Another poster said that with the outstanding defensive effort, this looked like 2004 all over again, and I couldn't agree more.[/quote]

I personally would not compare this offense to 2004's offense. That offense was terrible and had not hope for improvement. This year's offense has put the redskins in position to win games. 2007 to me is way different.

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[quote=skinsguy;364116]The only thing I can see our coaches did wrong was clock management at the end of the game. Other than that, it was individual screw ups on offense that cost us the game.[/quote]

unfortunately, i dont think it would have mattered.

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[quote=dgack;364435]Time was not our enemy at the end, momentum was. That, and the pathological inability to make a play by anybody not named Cooley or Campbell.[/quote]

When you're down by 3 with a little over 1 minute left, one big thing that you are working against is time.

Of course the offense needs to make some plays, but it doesn't help to waste precious time on top of that.

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[QUOTE=atomicnixon;364437]unfortunately, i dont think it would have mattered.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't have...9 seconds would have been all we got, and we had a turnover on downs to end the game, so it's not like the 9 seconds would have mattered at all.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;364361]Seriously! If it wasn't for Gibbs fumbling that ball (which was recovered for a TD), Gibbs bumbling that reception that ended up getting picked, Williams failing to get more of those picks, or Saunders getting blown past for sacks, we totally would have won that game. Damn you coaches!![/QUOTE]

You are correct, Gibbs didnt do any of those things. Maybe they need to coach the players better on technique. The bigger problem is Gibbs and the coaching staff dont seem to put the O in positions where they can succeed. Gibbs cant control if JC throws a short pass to Betts missing a 1st down by a yard but he can call a play for a young Qb where the 2 yard pass is not the first read (and blow a TO to call it).

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[quote=redduke44;364188]what about portis,I have a 300 dollar portis jersey my wife bought me 2 years ago what the f#$k am I supposed to do do with it, any suggestions?

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You spent $300.00 on a jersey? Did it come with a lower section 50 yard line tickets?

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[quote=irish;364510]You are correct, Gibbs didnt do any of those things. Maybe they need to coach the players better on technique. The bigger problem is [B]Gibbs and the coaching staff dont seem to put the O in positions where they can succeed.[/B] Gibbs cant control if JC throws a short pass to Betts missing a 1st down by a yard but he can call a play for a young Qb where the 2 yard pass is not the first read (and blow a TO to call it).[/quote]I have a big problem with this. The coaching staff put the team in a very good position to win. They put Moss in position to catch the bomb down the sideline, they put Lloyd in postion to catch the bomb down the middle of the field for a TD. They put the players in a number of winnable situations and they PLAYERS lost the game.

I can really see why some people have a problem with you. You make no sense.

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Campbell rushed his read on that 4th down, he had McCardell wide freaking open but he just rushed and dumped it to Betts. I'll chalk that up to his inexperience and not anything to do with bad coaching.