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[quote=Mattyk72;364757]Blaming the coaches is an easy cop out.[/quote]

I agree. On offense, there were mistakes that were made by both the players and coaches. The players' mistakes cost the redskins the packers game. But even if the players cost the game, all of the mistakes need to be identified and corrected. Luckily for the redskins, there are mistakes and not entire schemes that need to be revamped or players that need to be changed (hopefully the oline gets healthy).

There usually is a fine line between winning and losing in games. That's why it's important to not give a game away (ala giants and packers). Because if you are on the losing side of the fine line too often, it can snowball - and "too often" sometimes may mean 1 or 2 losses in the nfl.

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We had dropped passes in the Dolphins game as well. Didn't have Moss have three drops in that game? The receivers are getting open and not making the catch. If you're open but don't catch the ball, that's not coaching.

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[quote=GMScud;364760]Yeah, I wasn't saying that every play, every down is a problem. But when a head coach and offensive coordinator can't get on the same page repeatedly on crucial 3rd and 4th downs (this has been a problem going back to early last season), then to me that makes play calling a huge issue. I was screaming at the TV when Gibbs sat there with a confused look on his face and didn't call a timeout as the clock ticked down to the two minute warning. I just don't know if this offense will ever get it together. We're averaging 16.75 pts a game against teams not named the Lions. That's awful. We're 53 regular season games into Gibbs 2.0. I'm so over the excuses.[/quote]Well, the main culprit for the offenses' struggles has been the run blocking. It was BADLY overrated last year, and it's just simply been hurt this year. We still lack a TE who is good enough to play every down and who can block better than Cooley. Sellers helps, but we need Sellers and Cooley in to run the ball, and that isn't good.

For the first time last week, the pass pro was awful. Campbell was setting up 12 yards deep like every play and this was likely contributing to the dropped passes. You don't practice throwing curl routes 30 yards in the air during practice, thus all the drops. Problem is that it's hard to blame Campbell for that because he was simply trying to do his job. Samuels had a good game. No one else did on that line.

While Saunders usually is ignorant of the down and distance, that COULD be an advantage if we had the talent on offense to execute the play he calls. Now with all the guys on the offensive line out, his conveluted play calling is a huge disadvantage. He's totally unpredictable all the time, and that means our 3rd down offense will also be totally unpredictable, even when the stats say we should pick up the first 80% of the time.

Give Gibbs some credit for going for it on 4th and 1 though, that was in most cases the right move. Maybe he should have called the play while he's was at it.

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Still: crazy 30 yard curl routes or not, Campbell is still hitting receivers in the hands. NFL receivers. Catch the ball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;364766]Well, the main culprit for the offenses' struggles has been the run blocking. It was BADLY overrated last year, and it's just simply been hurt this year. We still lack a TE who is good enough to play every down and who can block better than Cooley. Sellers helps, but we need Sellers and Cooley in to run the ball, and that isn't good.

For the first time last week, the pass pro was awful. Campbell was setting up 12 yards deep like every play and this was likely contributing to the dropped passes. You don't practice throwing curl routes 30 yards in the air during practice, thus all the drops. Problem is that it's hard to blame Campbell for that because he was simply trying to do his job. Samuels had a good game. No one else did on that line.

While Saunders usually is ignorant of the down and distance, that COULD be an advantage if we had the talent on offense to execute the play he calls. Now with all the guys on the offensive line out, his conveluted play calling is a huge disadvantage. He's totally unpredictable all the time, and that means our 3rd down offense will also be totally unpredictable, even when the stats say we should pick up the first 80% of the time.

Give Gibbs some credit for going for it on 4th and 1 though, that was in most cases the right move. Maybe he should have called the play while he's was at it.[/quote]

I think people are missing what I'm saying here. I think our problem is a combination of the miscues- i.e. drops, and coaching confusions/play calling. Look, even with Thomas and Jansen out, there are too many coaches and playmakers on this team to only average 17-20 points a game.
I think with the rash of injuries and 2 VERY tough losses in our last 3 games, coaching is going to be VITAL for the rest of the year. How will they adapt? Can they can keep the chemistry together in the locker room?
Hey Tripp, with the O-line in shambles, do you think we'll start throwing to set up the run instead of running to set up the pass? We've already been limited to running only to the left side. Now what?

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Well, up until yesterday I thought our offensive line was doing decent given all the injuries they have sustained. That being said the clock management has been terrible. Above it all though, playcalling. Good coaches run plays that give us a chance to win. They didn't do that in the Giants game and they tried to sit on a very small lead in the Eagles game. Honestly though all those three are a big contributing factor to our losing.

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[quote=Cowell;364795]Well, up until yesterday I thought our offensive line was doing decent given all the injuries they have sustained. That being said the clock management has been terrible. Above it all though, playcalling. Good coaches run plays that give us a chance to win. They didn't do that in the Giants game and they tried to sit on a very small lead in the Eagles game. Honestly though all those three are a big contributing factor to our losing.[/quote]

Yeah, the sitting on a small lead thing drives me UP THE WALL. That's standard Gibbs though.

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I'll say so far it's been the dropped passes. But the O-line is definitely the biggest concern going forward.

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I think dropped passes was the biggest concern of the GB game. It hasn't really been any kind of consistent worry. Except with Moss, I think everyone else has done a fair job of not getting a consistent case of the butterfingers. I'm gonna chalk up yesterdays drops to the elements. But even Brian Mitchell said, you get paid to go out there and catch the ball under any circumstance. There really is no excuse.

After yesterdays game though the clock management is beginning to worry me. But Gibbs has always been known for having good command of the playclock and such so, I assume he really does know what hes doing.

I can't complain about the play calling after the bye. They have really let JC open things up and other than those stupid rinkydink plays (The end around + the end around fake) I think they've been doing a pretty good job. If only we could execute the plays.

I think the O-Line is worrying me the most. With practically the entire starting squad out and Rabach and Wade playing through groin injuries (most likely) our O-Line is weak. And all that depth we tried to bring in during the offseason is gone as well. (With Heyer and Lefotu. Wade starting). It's a bit of a concern. We all saw how the pass blocking broke down on the last 2 pass plays of the game. JC might as well have been running around out there without any protection.

I just hope that's not how it's going to be for the rest of the season.

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Moss could'nt catch a cold yesterday.

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It's obvious that the dropped passes have been the worst thing for us. That and fumbling. The second thing is injuries on the offensive line. When our backups to our backups are getting hurt, then how do you expect to get any consistent running lanes or pass protection? For crying out loud, is Chris Samuels the only starter left on the line? (Although I'm hoping CR is back at Center next week.)

As far as playcalling is concerned, it's been ok this year. It's funny how the misinformed continue to blame Joe Gibbs when Al Saunders is the one who calls the plays. So, if playcalling was the real issue, then one would have issues with Al Saunders and not Joe Gibbs. Besides, saying that conservatism is a staple in Joe Gibbs' offense obviously wasn't around when we were winning championships, but I digress.

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Fighting through injuries is what separates great teams from average teams and average teams from shit teams. When Colts or Pats have guys out someone steps up and literally has the best game of their career up to that pt. When a Redskin gets injured the backup typically looks out of place and is unable to deliver (Thrash and lineman who were real starters elsewhere, like Kendell, are the exceptions). Makes you wonder if the coaching staff works much w/ the backups. I had two highs chool coaches notorius for this and it always came around to bite us in the ass somewhere in the season.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;364983]Fighting through injuries is what separates great teams from average teams and average teams from shit teams. When Colts or Pats have guys out someone steps up and literally has the best game of their career up to that pt. When a Redskin gets injured the backup typically looks out of place and is unable to deliver (Thrash and lineman who were real starters elsewhere, like Kendell, are the exceptions). Makes you wonder if the coaching staff works much w/ the backups. I had two highs chool coaches notorius for this and it always came around to bite us in the ass somewhere in the season.[/QUOTE]

Can you give some examples of backups typically looking out of place this year?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;364745]Didn't we start at the 50 yard line (thanks to Rock's great return) when Moss fumbled and CW ran it back for the deciding TD? Short field didn't help us much there[/QUOTE]

It doesn't help that you know more about why we lost. All it does is prove that some people don't know. Still a loss.

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[QUOTE=Sean Taylor;364990]It doesn't help that you know more about why we lost. All it does is prove that some people don't know. Still a loss.[/QUOTE]

What? I don't follow

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;364986]Can you give some examples of backups typically looking out of place this year?[/QUOTE]

1. Brandon Lloyd is officially a backup, right? He looks like a rookie playing for the league minimum every time he sets foot on the field.

2. Wade and Fabini came in looking totally disjointed on the right side and we still don't have a run game (decent at pass protection).

3. The line utterly collapsed when Pucillo came in at center.

There are a lot of bright spots on D, but Godfrey is a proven vet (a guy any team could count on to come in and perform). So, GW did his job. WE HAVE NO OFFENSIVE CONSISTENCY - INJURIES OR NO F'ING INJURIES (NEW YORK), AND YOU CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO BE A PLAYOFF TEAM W/O BEING CONSISTENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL.

But the real story here isn't the Redskins, it's how teams serous about winning rise to the occasion no matter what. Maroney goes out for NE and Morris comes in w/o missing a beat for 100 yd rushing games. Colts lose the the best blind-side tackle in the league to retirement and still go undefeated because they find and cultivate the talent to succeed. If Samuels goes out we get Stephen Heyer (a guy who almost cost our one consistent contributor on offense (Campbell) a whole fucking season because of poor execution.

Is the contrast clear enough? We don't have IT. We can, but it will take new management to get us their and we can't lose the few bright spots on offense in the meantime.

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I put dropped passes, but as a stand for for "lack of execution." Been getting within in inches of breaking things open, but then failing to hit it. Fingertip close, in lots of cases.

And we're still at 3-2.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;364993]What? I don't follow[/QUOTE]

You call people out for not knowing what is going on with the Skins or game. Like field position or back-ups out of place.

It was obvious that field position wasn't the reason for our troubles or back-ups being out of place was not the reason. What is the point of calling out dumb posters?

They have no impact.

I'm sure its easy to get frustrated running the site as a MOD but fans are fans. Most don't know anything about why we win or lose.

Why in your opinion did the Skins lose to the Packers? I will tell you my opinion. Because we didn't score more points than them..........

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;364996]1. Brandon Lloyd is officially a backup, right? He looks like a rookie playing for the league minimum every time he sets foot on the field.

2. Wade and Fabini came in looking totally disjointed on the right side and we still don't have a run game (decent at pass protection).

3. The line utterly collapsed when Pucillo came in at center.

There are a lot of bright spots on D, but Godfrey is a proven vet (a guy any team could count on to come in and perform). So, GW did his job. WE HAVE NO OFFENSIVE CONSISTENCY - INJURIES OR NO F'ING INJURIES (NEW YORK), AND YOU CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO BE A PLAYOFF TEAM W/O BEING CONSISTENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL.

But the real story here isn't the Redskins, it's how teams serous about winning rise to the occasion no matter what. Maroney goes out for NE and Morris comes in w/o missing a beat for 100 yd rushing games. Colts lose the the best blind-side tackle in the league to retirement and still go undefeated because they find and cultivate the talent to succeed. If Samuels goes out we get Stephen Heyer (a guy who almost cost our one consistent contributor on offense (Campbell) a whole fucking season because of poor execution.

Is the contrast clear enough? We don't have IT. We can, but it will take new management to get us their and we can't lose the few bright spots on offense in the meantime.[/QUOTE]

I guess I didn't really think of Lloyd in your example. I thought more along the lines of how well Heyer stepped in week one, Kendall all season long, Demetric Evans, Godfrey, and Chris Wilson at various points in the season, Todd Wade for Jansen.

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[QUOTE=Sean Taylor;364998]You call people out for not knowing what is going on with the Skins or game. Like field position or back-ups out of place.

It was obvious that field position wasn't the reason for our troubles or back-ups being out of place was not the reason. What is the point of calling out dumb posters?

They have no impact.

I'm sure its easy to get frustrated running the site as a MOD but fans are fans. Most don't know anything about why we win or lose.

Why in your opinion did the Skins lose to the Packers? I will tell you my opinion. Because we didn't score more points than them..........[/QUOTE]

You've totally lost me. Who was I calling out? You think I was trying to call out The Zimmermans? I wasn't. Not at all.

I think we lost for two main reasons 1.) We didn't catch the ball, 2.) We shouldn't even have been throwing the ball in the first place. I believe we had a 2:1 pass to run ratio. In conditions such as yesterday Portis and Betts each should have had 15-20 carries.

I'm not calling anyone out.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;364999]I guess I didn't really think of Lloyd in your example. I thought more along the lines of how well Heyer stepped in week one, Kendall all season long, Demetric Evans, Godfrey, and Chris Wilson at various points in the season, Todd Wade for Jansen.[/QUOTE]

If you think Wade has been effective in place of Jansen how do explain our running game crushed on the right side of the line.
(I already mentioned Kendall and Godfrey, they're proven vets cultivated by other organizations, would make an impact for any team in the league).

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;365002]You've totally lost me. Who was I calling out? You think I was trying to call out The Zimmermans? I wasn't. Not at all.

I think we lost for two main reasons 1.) We didn't catch the ball, 2.) We shouldn't even have been throwing the ball in the first place. I believe we had a 2:1 pass to run ratio. In conditions such as yesterday Portis and Betts each should have had 15-20 carries.

I'm not calling anyone out.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes its needed. I look at this site and there are alot of really dumb comments and posts. Some people just calling for coaching changes and bla bla bla. Totally tune those out. This is going to come down to our core gelling together and making things happen. I'm all for passing on 3rd and 2 or reverses or giving campbell more rope. But when you outplay another team and just look so badly losing you have to really wonder what to do next.

The line is banged up so just pounding on the Cardinals will not work. We need to stick with the mix it up approach and execute for gods sake! I know the conditions were bad but looking back wouldn't you have rather seen a missed 50 yarder than Betts for no gain in the flats? I know its monday morning qb but give it a shot. Conditions my ass, kick the damn ball and if you miss oh well. 4th down in the NFL is playing Russian Rulet with 4 bullets in a six chamber gun........only a matter of time til you blow your brains out like 0-2 on 4th yesterday.

We will work Arizona and get back to form on Sunday.

HAIL!!!!!

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;365008]If you think Wade has been effective in place of Jansen how do explain our running game crushed on the right side of the line.
(I already mentioned Kendall and Godfrey, they're proven vets cultivated by other organizations, would make an impact for any team in the league).[/QUOTE]

I'm actually kind of curious as to what our stats to the right side were last year with Jansen in there. Because I have a feeling they're not significantly better.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;365014]I'm actually kind of curious as to what our stats to the right side were last year with Jansen in there. Because I have a feeling they're not significantly better.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Jansen didn't look so hot to start this year out either - he got beat quite a few times on before and after season started. The left side of the line has been better than the right for a long time.