Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

It's only one game but we got embarrassed tonight. Mark it down that we'll never sniff the playoffs w/ an offense that we trotted out there tonight. Injuries or not. Our backup olineman are JV at best. Even w/ a couple injuries you should be able to move the football and occasionally score some points. Unfortunately, this has become a trend over the last 4 years. Bad offense. I'm not so much mad at the defense for some reason. I expected more out of the offense. The patriots aren't the 86 Bears.

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[quote=SUNRA;370256]Yes I agree. But were the Giants or how about the Packers waaaaaaaaaay better than the Redskins? See this offense started this downward spiral weeks ago and nothing has changed. Instead of preparing a different scheme for New England, New England caught the defense off guard with three or four running plays when we were expecting a pass happy offense. How many times did we see the hitch play thrown to Moss today for no gain. Gibbs went away from the deep pass too often after Campbell missed a couple of makeable plays. And that was the end of our aggressive offensive playcalling in the first half.

Instead of talking about how good the team the team is, we need to talk about how Joe Gibbs was out-coached. That's why he ran off the field without shaking hands with Belicheck. I have not respect for any man who isn't man enough to shake with the opponent after they dominated your team start to finish.[/quote]

Personally, as much as I love Gibbs the person, I don't think he is a good coach in his 2nd go around. He should just go upstairs and be team president.

However, I think that is unlike Gibbs to not shake hands with anyone. Can you confirm this?

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[QUOTE=SUNRA;370256]Yes I agree. But were the Giants or how about the Packers waaaaaaaaaay better than the Redskins? See this offense started this downward spiral weeks ago and nothing has changed. Instead of preparing a different scheme for New England, New England caught the defense off guard with three or four running plays when we were expecting a pass happy offense. How many times did we see the hitch play thrown to Moss today for no gain. Gibbs went away from the deep pass too often after Campbell missed a couple of makeable plays. And that was the end of our aggressive offensive playcalling in the first half.

Instead of talking about how good the team the team is, we need to talk about how Joe Gibbs was out-coached. That's why he ran off the field without shaking hands with Belicheck. I have not respect for any man who isn't man enough to shake with the opponent after they dominated your team start to finish.[/QUOTE]

If this is how you feel, fine. I disagree. But stop with the handshake stuff. He shook his hand. It wasn't on the camera.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[QUOTE=redsk1;370259]It's only one game but we got embarrassed tonight. Mark it down that we'll never sniff the playoffs w/ an offense that we trotted out there tonight. Injuries or not. Our backup olineman are JV at best. Even w/ a couple injuries you should be able to move the football and occasionally score some points. Unfortunately, this has become a trend over the last 4 years. Bad offense. I'm not so much mad at the defense for some reason. I expected more out of the offense. The patriots aren't the 86 Bears.[/QUOTE]

I think our problem has been the QB turnover thru out the years, now that we got one, he's still young (almost a years worth experience) and the right side of the offensive being gone makes that much more difficult. Go ask Marc Bulger, he's having a similar season, maybe even worse due to injuries to their offensive line.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

After I saw the results of the Patriots' first three games or so, I had us pegged for a big fat L on this one. Thinking otherwise would have been to live in a fantasy world, we're not nearly as good as them.

We're 4-3. We can still make the playoffs. I'm very concerned about injuries, but the Jets are up next. 5-3 is a good likelihood after this week.

After that, we will live or die on our remaining NFC East battles, as always. The Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants are NOT the New England Patriots. They are beatable. We have much to be concerned about, but nothing so dire that makes me want to stick a fork in the fat lady.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=Mattyk72;370142]Injuries weren't the issue today, we got demolished by the best team in the league. No shame in that. We just need to pick up the pieces and get a 'W' next week against the Jets.[/quote]
No shame in that? The shame is in the way that this team played. They played like they put zero preperation in this game. Maybe I for one just expect too much from a Gibbs coached team with all of it's high powered coaching staff. This is definetly a defining moment for this team in the coming weeks. 52 points?!?! Are you kidding me?

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc;370286]No shame in that? The shame is in the way that this team played. They played like they put zero preperation in this game. Maybe I for one just expect too much from a Gibbs coached team with all of it's high powered coaching staff. This is definetly a defining moment for this team in the coming weeks. 52 points?!?! Are you kidding me?[/QUOTE]

I think it's a combination of things, they rattled Campbell, Smoot got hurt pre-game, Rogers and McIntosh got hurt during the game. Everything hit at once at the worst time, the game changing moment was when we were behind 17-0 and were inside the 20 yd line and then fumbled.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;370291]I think it's a combination of things, they rattled Campbell, Smoot got hurt pre-game, Rogers and McIntosh got hurt during the game. Everything hit at once at the worst time, the game changing moment was when we were behind 17-0 and were inside the 20 yd line and then fumbled.[/QUOTE]

We could have gone into the half down just 17-7 and it would have been a completeley different ballgame. But we didn't and it wasn't

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=4mrusmc;370286]No shame in that? The shame is in the way that this team played. They played like they put zero preperation in this game. Maybe I for one just expect too much from a Gibbs coached team with all of it's high powered coaching staff. This is definetly a defining moment for this team in the coming weeks. 52 points?!?! Are you kidding me?[/quote]

All I can say is for anyone who doubted it yes, the Patriots are that good.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;370291]I think it's a combination of things, they rattled Campbell, Smoot got hurt pre-game, Rogers and McIntosh got hurt during the game. Everything hit at once at the worst time, the game changing moment was when we were behind 17-0 and were inside the 20 yd line and then fumbled.[/quote]

Yeah, I guess at that moment the game changed from awful to downright putrid.

The main point in my book, is that although we lost by a whole lot to a whole little, it still only counts for one loss.

And you know what, if we have to play shitty once in a while, I'm glad we did it against the Pats, because we were going to lose this game no matter how well we played.

Keep in mind, we win next week, and we're 5-3. The Jets are our next opponent. Keep your eyes on the road.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;370291]I think it's a combination of things, they rattled Campbell, Smoot got hurt pre-game, Rogers and McIntosh got hurt during the game. Everything hit at once at the worst time, the game changing moment was when we were behind 17-0 and were inside the 20 yd line and then fumbled.[/quote]
No excuse. Our team got bitched slapped today. They simply did not "want it". We got out physicaled today, and no one stepped-up to match their physical level of play.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=SmootSmack;370293]We could have gone into the half down just 17-7 and it would have been a completeley different ballgame. But we didn't and it wasn't[/quote] Maybe ,,,, 52 - 14 ? NE knows that JC is inaccurate on the deep pass , squated on the short routes and dominated us . Until JC can hit the deep pass ,,, we are in trouble , and yes he is only his first year starting , but a qb 4 years into his NFL career should have some accuracy . Too bad we had all the injuries this year , it is killing us . Hope the best to C. Rogers on his knee !

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370171]I'd rather have Smoot starting over Rogers anyway.[/QUOTE]

By the way, besides Smoot and Rogers being out, did Springs practice at all this week or was he in Dallas with his dad?

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=Mattyk72;370295]All I can say is for anyone who doubted it yes, the Patriots are that good.[/quote]

They are who we thought they were! And we let 'em off the hook!!!

Seriously, we showed no pride out there which is what's the most disheartening.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

It's tough to show pride when the the other team is kicking it down your throat all day. It's called an ass whoopin' folks.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

It was sad that we couldn't even play with the Pats at all, in any part of the game or on any side of the ball. Our offense really is lame. I hope we start fast against the Jets and don't play down to their level.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[QUOTE=Kmjskins;370203]I understand that it is one game but it is more of a "gut check" type of game. I live in the Philly area and rarely hear the interviews to Coach Gibbs or the players but today I heard Sonny ask Gibbs "fluff" questions after being disgraced. No one seemed angry except London Fletcher.

[B]This absolutely has to be Gibbs last year unless we make the playoffs. His approach to the game, including the play calling is awful![/B]
I used to like the Patriots but today's game showed how classless Bellicheck is! I hope the Colts win the AFC championship and go to the Superbowl.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board sir. Just to warn you, some around here are gonna piss on you for telling it like it is. I've been saying this since I became a member and it's been a little rough, so I guess I'm glad to have a little company.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=MTRedskinsFan;370369]Welcome to the board sir. [B]Just to warn you, some around here are gonna piss on you for telling it like it is[/B]. I've been saying this since I became a member and it's been a little rough, so I guess I'm glad to have a little company.[/quote]

Not true. You'll just get pissed on for being negative all the time and only having something to say after a loss.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370386]Not true. You'll just get pissed on for being negative all the time and only having something to say after a loss.[/QUOTE]

That's bull&%#!

I'm actually more optimistic than most because I see light beyond the current mess w/ Gibbs coaching but not really coaching and not calling plays but then influencing the play-calling, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

And I post win or lose.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;370402]That's bull&%#!

I'm actually more optimistic than most because I see light beyond the current mess w/ Gibbs coaching but not really coaching and not calling plays but then influencing the play-calling, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

And I post win or lose.[/QUOTE]

More optimistic than most. That's the line of the week right there

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=MTRedskinsFan;370402]That's bull&%#!

I'm actually more optimistic than most because I see light beyond the current mess w/ Gibbs coaching but not really coaching and not calling plays but then influencing the play-calling, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

[B] And I post win or lose[/B].[/quote]

Good. Plenty of people don't though.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370406]Good. Plenty of people don't though.[/quote]

Still have to be worried about our CBs though. Smoot inactive, Carlos seriously dinged. Springs rarely plays 16 games. Jets game coming up. Time to move Landry and ST to CB, seriously we need some depth there. Skins forever, Gibbs is still my boy.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

Remember a couple years ago when we were playing the Giants for first place and got whacked 36-0? We came back the next week and took down a Philly team we hadn't beaten in years.

Gibbs will have everyone ready to play next week, bank on that.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[QUOTE=SanFranSkinsFan;370412]Still have to be worried about our CBs though. Smoot inactive, Carlos seriously dinged. Springs rarely plays 16 games. Jets game coming up. [b]Time to move Landry and ST to CB[/b], seriously we need some depth there. Skins forever, Gibbs is still my boy.[/QUOTE]

LOL, worst suggestion ever.. Take the best safety tandem in the league and in midseason move them to corner.. Put the controller down, turn Madden off and pick up a book.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=djnemo65;370499]Remember a couple years ago when we were playing the Giants for first place and got whacked 36-0? We came back the next week and took down a Philly team we hadn't beaten in years.

Gibbs will have everyone ready to play next week, bank on that.[/quote]

I certainly hope so because based on the way we stopped playing against the Cardinals and then the way we played yesterday, we look more like last year's team right now.

The offense has to open it up versus the Jets, grab a lead early and keep pounding them.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

I think a high school team would've played better yesterday. If we brought in all of our backups we woulda done better. Sorry sorry sorry performance. Everyone needs to get their heads outta their asses and look at what happened. We lost 52-7.

Ugh.....ok got it outta my system

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=SUNRA;370244]Yes, Joe Gibbs is out of touch. This was the same offense we have seen for the pass three weeks except it could't in the endzone until the second string defense of the Patriots hit the field. Gibbs admitted himself that he was responsible for the conservative playcalling that almost lost the game last week. Just look at the third down plays and you can predict who Campbell is going to pass to. Gibbs has not adjusted to what defenses are willing to gamble on which is the run. Portis is fucking finished with no 100yd games yet. Yes the offensive line is hurt but Betts deserves to get the most reps after this game. Everyone knows the offense is pathetic and cannot score more than 21 points on an average. That is Gibbs responsibilty as an offensive minded coach.[/quote]
I'm not sure if its Gibbs or JC not seeing the field. When I was at the Giants game JC missed a ton of open players and he still is. He has not had a great game all year. I know he is young but its time he starts showing signs of getting better.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=firstdown;370602]I'm not sure if its Gibbs or JC not seeing the field. When I was at the Giants game JC missed a ton of open players and he still is. He has not had a great game all year. I know he is young but its time he starts showing signs of getting better.[/quote]

IF THE COACHES SHOW NO CONFIDENCE IN JC, HOW IS JC SUPPOSED TO HAVE CONFIDENCE?

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

Yep, one game...that we got absolutely annihilated. We looked like a weak Division 1-AA team out there yesterday compared to the Pats. I almost fell out of my chair when one of the announcers said "Joe Gibbs is probably thinking we have a long way to go"....YOU THINK?

Yes, we are definitely hindered by some of the injuries the team has suffered, and that didn't get any better yesterday. Face it, we just aren't anything more than an average football team right now, and that is only thanks to our defense. If our defense wasn't as good as it has been so far, we wouldn't even be considered average. The offense just stinks.

All that being said, if we beat the Jets..."IF"... then we'll be two back of Dallas and we still play them twice. Playoffs are a possibility since we are in the weak NFC, but if you think this team would last more than a week in the post season, I want some of what you are smoking.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=firstdown;370602]I'm not sure if its Gibbs or JC not seeing the field. When I was at the Giants game JC missed a ton of open players and he still is. He has not had a great game all year. I know he is young but its time he starts showing signs of getting better.[/quote]

Yeah, the Detroit game was terrible. How could we possibly be satisfied with a QB rating of 125 and a record of 4-3 from a player in his first full season and half his starting O-Line out.

Screw that guy, we need to call Jeff George right away.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

The Coaching staff was scared all week, therefore the players came out scared. We had a chance to score on our opening drive!!!! But our conservative BS offense kept running the F****** ball into their 500 pound tackle.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;370635]The Coaching staff was scared all week, therefore the players came out scared. We had a chance to score on our opening drive!!!! But our conservative BS offense kept running the F****** ball into their 500 pound tackle.[/QUOTE]

Did you even watch our first drive, or the second, or the third?

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

the only thing i would do from this point is to throw away the tape and pull out the jets film. when i saw that new england was on our schedule i knew then it wasn,t good and especially the way they are playin now.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=SmootSmack;370668]Did you even watch our first drive, or the second, or the third?[/quote]

yes I watched the whole first half, and listened to the second. What's your point. Gibbs was scared and it showed on the field. Campbell was scared and hesitant.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;370676]yes I watched the whole first half, and listened to the second. What's your point. Gibbs was scared and it showed on the field. Campbell was scared and hesitant.[/QUOTE]

First drive-9 total plays, 3 first downs, 6 passes, 3 runs (4 yard gain, 6 yard gain, no gain-2nd run got a first down). Shotgun formation twice

Second Drive-3 total plays, 2 passes, 1 run (run for 2 yard gain)

Third Drive-6 total plays, 5 passes 1 run (7 yard gain). Shotgun formation twice, plus a "trick" El to Cooley play (pass incomplete)

So where is this "conservative BS offense kept running in into their 500 pound tackle" drivel coming from?

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

I was over it when Brady hit Vrabel for a TD, knowing damn well that it was going to happen.

You begin to wonder why things aren't clicking, and as fans, we can only speculate. It is only one game in the grand scheme of things, but one game can make or break a season. One game can set the tone. One game can define an entire roster of players...

Next week is a new life, a new "one game"...at 4-3, the Skins dont have many "one game"s left.

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

whats a skin fan to do man..i mean yesterday i had a flashback to the 80,s when we had the type of team and personnel to compete with teams like the patriots and i just smiled but i realized this aint the 80,s anymore it,s 2007 and what happened then doesn,t change a thing in todays game. i,m a gibbs guy thru thick and thin and seeing what we saw yesterday just proves to me that this team will be just your average joe team until moves are made in the front office to help on the field success but we all know by now that the danny is mirred in quick sand it seems to me.again another flashback to the jack kent cooke era man another deal that doesn,t change in todays era but it does help one fan to do so from time to time like myself cause in todays nfl with the redskins they are taking toy knifes to a gun fight like yesterday.so i guess he skins proved just how far away they still are when they went up against a team that has all the weapons..if and when we get some sense in the front office/management we will be who we are today ,just average and you put that against the nfls best and you are JV material at best..from this standpoint we still have a ways to go but i aint going anywhere anytime soon.so just throw away the tapes and move on from here.get aggressive for once..that might be a start..

there now i feel better.....carry on....

Re: It's only one game, get over it
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;370116]Before you all get excited about how bad we got wup, here are few things to look at.

We played without:

Rock Cartwright- He's been giving great field position thru out the season it hurt not have him

Smoot- That was a surprise him not playing, hurt again

Rogers-Bad injury, might be gone for the season

McIntosh- Played about a 1/2 and was hurt, bad stinger

Jansen- We know about him

Thomas- same as Jansen

That's a lot of key players missing that make a difference in this game. So get over it and hope they get healthy or we are truly FUCKED!!!![/quote]

I like this thread a lot more than "Classless Bill Bellichick" one. It is good that you are not trying to make excuses for the loss but pointing out that the team could get better for the upcoming games. It was an AFC game, more important games are coming up.

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[quote=TheBigD;370742]I like this thread a lot more than "Classless Bill Bellichick" one. It is good that you are not trying to make excuses for the loss but pointing out that the team could get better for the upcoming games. It was an AFC game, more important games are coming up.[/quote]

how is Belichick being classless equal to an excuse?! No one is saying we deserved to win the game, we are just saying what he did was dirty and wrong. They still would have spanked us.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;370608]IF THE COACHES SHOW NO CONFIDENCE IN JC, HOW IS JC SUPPOSED TO HAVE CONFIDENCE?[/quote]
Well in the Giants game which I was at so I'll stick with that game the coaches gave him plenty of chances to make some plays. From where I sat JC was just not finding the open WR's and was dumping the ball off. Even my wife asked on several plays why we did not throw the ball to wide open WR"S. Its harder to see on TV if he is just not seeing the field but the game I was at it seemed that way. He is young so I'm not getting on him but people do have to remember that he is still learning.