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[quote=SanFranSkinsFan;370426]We all know Gibbs is classier. He's too classy sometimes. They are both HOF coaches despite BB's cheating moves. The tuck rule (non-call) changed history forever. But he was going for the jugular like he has all year. They have not won by less than 17 points all year. They are on pace to break the scoring average (all time) for one year. They also were sending a message to the Colts. I think Bill should have run the ball more, taken Brady out sooner, and definitely kicked the FG, but our defense couldn't stop them. Gibbs needs to be more aggressive with his playcalling and a little less nice sometimes. BB was not classy, but he had the right to spank us today. We need to take the lesson from this game, we CAN do that to the JETS next week. Let's see how our team responds.[/quote]

Just simply put Gibbs and the boys back in the 80's and early 90's exemplified class and dignity (and still do), and that is why he's so revered in so many circles from football to racing today. On the other hand you have Mr. Belichick who's the complete opposite and there will always be suspicion about how he won those three Super Bowls and the likely fourth one come February.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;370430]yeah,.. where's all the winner talk after that beautiful game??


I actually would've sent the house after brady every play after they went for it on forth down up 38-0 going into the fourth quarter. fuck the score I would've beaten the shit out of ayone in their backfield... fines be damned...[/QUOTE]

Exactly what I was thinking in my original post. What did we have to lose at that point? A penalty or two? Move the chains for the Pats? So what? Put Brady on his ass and then tell Belichick to put that in his pipe and smoke it.

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I'm the lone dissenting vote (so far) but it's with a condition.. Yes, they ran the score up, but no more than they have done vs. anyone else.. If you've watched any of their games, they have beat the tar out of everyone and kept on coming.. It looks worse because we couldn't generate anything on offense.. Yeah, they could have throttled down but that's what 3/4 of us kill Gibbs for so it'd be hypocritical to whine about it happening to us..

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370420][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/28/AR2007102801741.html?sid=ST2007102801575]Pats Score Often in 52-7 Rout, But Did They Cross the Line? - washingtonpost.com[/url]

"Gibbs glared. After the game, he barely shook Belichick's hand as he raced off the field."

And then there's this

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4365456&postcount=1]EXTREMESKINS.com - View Single Post - Just so we're clear[/url][/QUOTE]

Damn NFLN! Photos don't lie. My apologies :spank:

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;370439]I'm the lone dissenting vote (so far) but it's with a condition.. Yes, they ran the score up, but no more than they have done vs. anyone else.. If you've watched any of their games, they have beat the tar out of everyone and kept on coming.. It looks worse because we couldn't generate anything on offense.. Yeah, they could have throttled down but that's what 3/4 of us kill Gibbs for so it'd be hypocritical to whine about it happening to us..[/QUOTE]

That's more common sense than I've read here all night. Kudos.

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you know, though guys... we did score like 52 points on a pathetic 49er team a couple of years ago. I don't think we went for it on fourth in the redzone ahead by forty, nor would we have, but we buried that team and scored in the fourth quarter there as well...

I DO think since everyone was saying they hadn't played a D like ours yet they were out to prove a point, and they did it...

I'm more pissed that the skins allowed them to do it than the fact that they did it...

I'm also extremely pissed that it didn't seem like our coaching staff was getting pissed through the playcalling (defensively)... again, the only thing that would've made me feel better was to send a message back, instead of lying there crying like the fucking whipping boy.


I was talking with some friends before the game and they pointed out several instances, throughout the week where it sounded like our team had no confidence we could win the game...

a couple of 4-3 ain't bad comments and gibbs saying no one had a game plan for them, etc...

we need to grow some balls collectively and let this loss and embarrassment fuel a fire that burns for the rest of the season in our guts and start playing 60 minutes of football every week for the rest of the season.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;370443]

....[B]we need to grow some balls collectively[/B] and let this loss and embarrassment fuel a fire that burns for the rest of the season in our guts and start playing 60 minutes of football every week for the rest of the season.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that. It would have gone a long way for Greg Williams to go "WTF, lets blitz every f***ing play!" Or, if Gibbs had got in Belichick's face after the game. But unfortunately, none of that happened and face it folks, we look like a bunch of p*ssies. Does anyone really think that any team in the NFL actually fears us anymore? Seriously!

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;370443]you know, though guys... we did score like 52 points on a pathetic 49er team a couple of years ago. I don't think we went for it on fourth in the redzone ahead by forty, nor would we have, but we buried that team and scored in the fourth quarter there as well...

I DO think since everyone was saying they hadn't played a D like ours yet they were out to prove a point, and they did it...

I'm more pissed that the skins allowed them to do it than the fact that they did it...

I'm also extremely pissed that it didn't seem like our coaching staff was getting pissed through the playcalling (defensively)... again, the only thing that would've made me feel better was to send a message back, instead of lying there crying like the fucking whipping boy.


I was talking with some friends before the game and they pointed out several instances, throughout the week where it sounded like our team had no confidence we could win the game...

a couple of 4-3 ain't bad comments and gibbs saying no one had a game plan for them, etc...

we need to grow some balls collectively and let this loss and embarrassment fuel a fire that burns for the rest of the season in our guts and start playing 60 minutes of football every week for the rest of the season.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs has never in his career taken the approach of "We're going to stomp these guys into obilvion" Not publicly. He's always shown respect for the caliber of the opposition

I don't think the Redskins sent a "message" back for two reasons. 1.) They were so depleted as it was with Smoot, Rogers, and Rocky out and exhausted from being on the field so much that they probably didn't have the energy to do it. 2.) I'm sure they were told not to stoop to the Patriots' level

When we scored 52 on the 49ers, Ramsey played the 4th quarter and something like 23 of our final 25 plays from scrimmage were basic running plays

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[quote=Dlyne8r;370429]Apparently you have trouble reading posts or possibly just reading altogether. If you had put down the crack pipe for a moment you would have read where I had hoped for Gibbs to do something similar to what you just stated. Maybe not "smack someone in the mouth," as that would be as infantile as your reply, but at least let Belichick know that he had taken exception to what had just happened (you know skinsfan69, run up the score?). If that's too complicated for you to grasp in my original post, then please go back to your pipe. As you've stated the obvious that even my 10-yr. old could have said more intelligently: "This is the NFL, not pee wee league," the NFL is a PROFESSIONAL league in case you didn't get the memo. Professionals don't pout and get all pissy because they've been accused of cheating in the NFL or cheating with another guy's wife. Professionals don't run up the score either. As I said in the original post (again, probably too much for you to comprehend), the Pats were much better than us Sunday, plain and simple. Ain't no cryin' going on here because of that or anything else. You're the loser my friend for not being able to understand simple language.[/quote]

Oh I understand English very well. You started this silly thread by crying like a little bitch cause the score was 38 nothing and you wanted Bill B. to call off the dogs. You wanted to him to stop throwing. My point is why? They don't play to stop scoring and run out the clock. That is not what they do and I don't have a problem with it. Honestly I wish our coaches had that mentality. Perhaps if we did we wouldn't be blowing 4th q leads all the time.

It's not the Pats coaching staff's fault that we suck so bad that we can't stop the Pats 2nd stringers, or we can't get a first down to keep our defense off the field, or stop Mike Vrabel from running the same play he has been running for 4 years.

Plus your crying about Brady being all smug on the sidelines? For what? You would be smug too if you just threw for 3td's and ran for 2 and were banging a hot ass supermodel. Why do so many people hate on the guy?

You just sound like a little 2 year old baby who got his milk bottle taken from him. Shut up and stop bitching. We got the living shit beat out of us and all people can do is cry about how the Pats are classless.

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We're all upset the team lost, but let's stop with the personal attacks.

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When it's 4th down and you up by 38 or more points late in the game why not kick the FG? Going for it there is classless and disrespectful. Gibbs wouldn't do it. As several others have mentioned it will come back to get them. On the other hand the Patriots destroyed us physically and mentally. The rag tag right side of our OL is horrid. Samuels isn't playing well. Vrabel got around Wade, Sellers and Portis to force one of those fumbles. Just pathetic uninspired play. Sad. I can only pray we bounce back next week or things will get a whole lot worse. For now keep our heads up. Screw the Patriots, Classless Bellichek and cockyass Brady. Man I haven't disliked a team this much since Deion played for the Cowboys. Tomorrow we start working on the Jets...

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Come on, coaches have the perogative to do what ever they want. The Art of War, I think that might be more along with his philosophy. What else is he supposed to do we could not stop it and played down right mistake filled football. We are disappointed as fans of our team we love and we have to realize that until we are able to correct these mistakes and keep our offensive line healthy we will continue to have these problems. Remember the fact that the effort level was not as prevalent after awhile as I think our defense was exhausted and we started to landslide. If anything this will serve as a powerful reminder that we have a lot of work to do as a team to compete at the level of a team that does not make many if any mistakes and is continuing to get ready by the week. If we want to get better we have to commit less mistakes and take a page out of the Patriots book and operate on all cylinders as well as "EXECUTE" which is something that the Patriots (especially) and the Colts do better than anyone else in the league. To be honest I think that this "embarrasment" will serve us better in the long run as we will hopefully unlike last week (although we won) will not be able to compete with the elite until we are able to fix/correct these mistakes. They are costly and could derail our season. We have all of the components necessary to make a run and can compete with the best if we learn a valuable lesson from this experience! :) Hopefully we finally will!!!!

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I was talking with some friends before the game and they pointed out several instances, throughout the week where it sounded like our team had no confidence we could win the game...

Zero confidence seems not to have started with the team. When interviewed earlier this week, Gibbs told a reporter, "If you have answers to winnning against the Pats, leave them here." Or something to that effect. Talk about a tone-setter.

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;370354]Belichick did exactly what he should have done. When a team self-destucts on the field of battle the opposition has absolutely no obligation to slow down. If the Skins had an opportunity to do this it would have been the right thing to do as well, but I think we all know that's not how it would play out. Hence the difference between teams with a killer instinct and teams without one. Belichick is a guy I respected but never liked. After today I respect him a little more.[/quote]


God Bless you.

Bill did not run up the score. Its up to those guys on defense that get paid millions of dollars to not allow that to happen. I don't care if its 50-0 going into the 4th quarter. Tom Brady and the rest get paid millions of dollars to play. Their fans want to see them and deserve to see them play the whole game. When the QB change happened what did the skins do? Let the qb run in for a freaking score. What did the skins overpaid offense do jack shi*.

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[quote=SkinDogg;370456]I was talking with some friends before the game and they pointed out several instances, throughout the week where it sounded like our team had no confidence we could win the game...

Zero confidence seems not to have started with the team. When interviewed earlier this week, Gibbs told a reporter, "If you have answers to winnning against the Pats, leave them here." Or something to that effect. Talk about a tone-setter.[/quote]


I agree and think they entered with that sentiment to some extent plus what I said earlier definitely influenced the outcome.

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[QUOTE=SkinDogg;370456]I was talking with some friends before the game and they pointed out several instances, throughout the week where it sounded like our team had no confidence we could win the game...

Zero confidence seems not to have started with the team. When interviewed earlier this week, Gibbs told a reporter, "If you have answers to winnning against the Pats, leave them here." Or something to that effect. Talk about a tone-setter.[/QUOTE]

He's been that way with the media for 25 years. This didn't just happen this week

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I feel like if they are going to run up the score we should have let them and started going after their season by all out blitzing brady, then they would take his ass out earlier

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[quote=SmootSmack;370460]He's been that way with the media for 25 years. This didn't just happen this week[/quote]

Yes, but they were not playing the Patriots. I have been watching Gibbs forever as well.....

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[QUOTE=Blue Star;370458]God Bless you.

Bill did not run up the score. Its up to those guys on defense that get paid millions of dollars to not allow that to happen. I don't care if its 50-0 going into the 4th quarter. Tom Brady and the rest get paid millions of dollars to play. Their fans want to see them and deserve to see them play the whole game. When the QB change happened what did the skins do? Let the qb run in for a freaking score. What did the skins overpaid offense do jack shi*.[/QUOTE]

Please. Coming from any other fan, i'd say okay, but not y'all. I so recall the faint grumblings, in the stands, from Cowboy fans that Gibbs ran up the score after the 35-7 game in Dec 2005.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201;370462]Yes, but they were not playing the Patriots. I have been watching Gibbs forever as well.....[/QUOTE]

What's your point that they were not playing the Patriots?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370460]He's been that way with the media for 25 years. This didn't just happen this week[/QUOTE]

I agree, and it wouldn't change for another 25. It's just that his usual grim reaperness was a little more grim this week.

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[quote=SkinDogg;370464]Please. Coming from any other fan, i'd say okay, but not y'all. I so recall the faint grumblings, in the stands, from Cowboy fans that Gibbs ran up the score after the 35-7 game in Dec 2005.[/quote]


Wasn't me, nor did I do it after the Pats game. Running up the score does not exist in pro football. It barley is applies to College. The only time it applies to college is when UF is playing Gardner Webb. Its obvious that there is a major talent on one team and not the other. For UF to score 60 to there 3 is running up the score. If its UF vs USC and UF scores 60 and USC scores 3 it is not because those second and third string kids deserve to score a td if they can against a team that is on there level. Pro football everyone is PROFESSIONAL. IF your fav team just happens to get anal raped then maybe some of those players and coaches are in the wrong profession.

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[quote=Blue Star;370469]Wasn't me, nor did I do it after the Pats game. Running up the score does not exist in pro football. It barley is applies to College. The only time it applies to college is when UF is playing Gardner Webb. Its obvious that there is a major talent on one team and not the other. For UF to score 60 to there 3 is running up the score. If its UF vs USC and UF scores 60 and USC scores 3 it is not because those second and third string kids deserve to score a td if they can against a team that is on there level. Pro football everyone is PROFESSIONAL. IF your fav team just happens to get anal raped then maybe some of those players and coaches are in the wrong profession.[/quote]

thanks for coming to gloat on an oposing teams site now crawl back to the hell hole you came from

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[quote=Redskin;370470]thanks for coming to gloat on an oposing teams site now crawl back to the hell hole you came from[/quote]

just trying to make you feel better...:FIREdevil

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[quote=Blue Star;370473]just trying to make you feel better...:FIREdevil[/quote]

its working

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[quote=Blue Star;370473]just trying to make you feel better...:FIREdevil[/quote]

Regardless what you think no team up by over 40 goes for it in the 4th quarter on 4th down. Unneeded and somewhat disrespectful, I would be ashamed if we ever did that to even te Cowboys because I know Gibbs along with most NFL coaches are better than that

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[QUOTE=Blue Star;370469]Wasn't me, nor did I do it after the Pats game. Running up the score does not exist in pro football. It barley is applies to College. The only time it applies to college is when UF is playing Gardner Webb. Its obvious that there is a major talent on one team and not the other. For UF to score 60 to there 3 is running up the score. If its UF vs USC and UF scores 60 and USC scores 3 it is not because those second and third string kids deserve to score a td if they can against a team that is on there level. Pro football everyone is PROFESSIONAL. IF your fav team just happens to get anal raped then maybe some of those players and coaches are in the wrong profession.[/QUOTE]

Anal raping? Tom Landry just turned in his grave.

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[quote=hooskins;370476]Regardless what you think no team up by over 40 goes for it in the 4th quarter on 4th down. Unneeded and somewhat disrespectful, I would be ashamed if we ever did that to even te Cowboys because I know Gibbs along with most NFL coaches are better than that[/quote]


Possible some other coaches may feel indifferent, but its obvious the Skins defense was not up to the task on stopping anything and made it worse for Redskin fans to take.

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[quote=Blue Star;370478]Possible some other coaches may feel indifferent, but its [B]obvious the Skins defense was not up to the task on stopping anything and made it worse for Redskin fans to take.[/B][/quote]

You are way too polarized as a fan to have an educated debate with. Obviously our D wasn't up to par.

This isn't about how fans take it. Pats have done this all year long and its wrong. Even Phillips would most likely kick a FG in that situation up 40, its just not right. This has nothing do with Cowboys vs Redskins, why does it always boil down to that for Dallas fans? Grow the hell up.

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[quote=hooskins;370480]You are way too polarized as a fan to have an educated debate with. Obviously our D wasn't up to par.

This isn't about how fans take it. Pats have done this all year long and its wrong. Even Phillips would most likely kick a FG in that situation up 40, its just not right. This has nothing do with Cowboys vs Redskins, why does it always boil down to that for Dallas fans? Grow the hell up.[/quote]


Yea cuase you know I have my accounts on Cowboys forums and after they lose I enjoy going over there and gloating a little.:smashfrea(If only I had that much time)

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which we've had more than a few opportunities to do over the last couple of years...

arent we 3 of the last 4? Our loss today will only make the dallas losses to us hurt them that much more in the long run...

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[quote=canthetuna;370483]which we've had more than a few opportunities to do over the last couple of years...

arent we 3 of the last 4? Our loss today will only make the dallas losses to us hurt them that much more in the long run...[/quote]


Now knock on wood that the rest of the first stringers dont get hurt next game

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speaking of injuries, is stephon heyer supposed to come back to RT for us anytime soon? I think he would halp solidify the line for us a bit...

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I don't see why running up the score is the same as "doing what he needs to" or being "all about winning." Did Gibbs, Walsh, Knoll, Landry, Lombardi, etc. do that? No. The Pats won, and by a lot. Adding extra TDs on top serves no purpose but to humiliate your opponent. This is sports--there's still something called "sportsmanship." The classy move is to kick the FG--and it's not like they need more practice scoring or converting.

The point is that all of the other coaches I know of who had dominant teams did not do this--why is Belichick more about winning than all these ledgends when he does it? Classless, however a skilled coach he is.

(BTW, Do you think Dungy would do that? Not a chance--he's a class act. He's got an undefeated team as well, and they're the SB champs--you don't have to run it up on folks to be a winner in this day and age.)

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[quote=SmootSmack;370460]He's been that way with the media for 25 years. This didn't just happen this week[/quote]


doesn't make it right...

It just doesnt instill confidence in your team... You could say something like "they are an excellent football team and were gonna have to come out and execute our gameplan perfectly"

instead of basically saying "we're screwed... we cant think of any way to beat them and neither can anyone else"

It was like he was preemptively taking heat off of the players for a loss that hadn't happened yet, and then with Carlos Rogers pulling a Man-Ram talking about how this game wasn't the end of the world and 4-3 is still good before the game... I kinda felt like that was the tone set, and that starts at the top.

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[quote=canthetuna;370487]doesn't make it right...

It just doesnt instill confidence in your team... You could say something like "they are an excellent football team and were gonna have to come out and execute our gameplan perfectly"

instead of basically saying "we're screwed... we cant think of any way to beat them and neither can anyone else"

It was like he was preemptively taking heat off of the players for a loss that hadn't happened yet, and then with Carlos Rogers pulling a Man-Ram talking about how this game wasn't the end of the world and 4-3 is still good before the game... I kinda felt like that was the tone set, and that starts at the top.[/quote]


I agree, the players should be getting fired up for the game and wanting to win. Teams that cuase upsets dont go and say to themselves were basically screwed, they try to pump themselves up to play to a level that might be beyond them. Football is a game that can still be about who wants it more, and the pats really wanted it more then us.

Although I still say we should have went after their season by just roughing Brady up a little and make them pull him or risk injury.

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Classless or not, we deserve to loose like that if we aren't going to show up on the same field as the other team.

I think it's time for these boys to start playing like men and put a helmet in someone's chest and knock 'em over and get in the endzone.

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Pretty typical, as usual many are looking to deflect the real problem on to some one else, Belichik, Gibbs has had 4 years to build a team and has failed miserably, and yet that is some how Belichiks fault, don't make me laugh! This is a man's game we are not talking about a bunch of 10 year old kids here who are in the learning process, these guy's are paid a lot of money to win, what happens if the Pats let up and some one gets hurt because they didn't play to their full capabilities? What about losing some continuity and rhythm because you start to play different than your used to, especially on the heels of the biggest game of the regular season for them? Gibbs as usual was as unprepared as you could be for this game, it's as if he has one set of plays for every one.

So while Gibbs is blowing smoke up every one's A** as usual on how good of a football team we either beat or lost to, remember this, he can barely survive in a conference that is mediocre at best, yes we slug it out every week against teams that should be screaming for us to stop running up the score, unfortunately when he meets a real team it's not even a contest.

Every one immediately blames the coach on this one, yet you don't think Gibbs little banter back and forth this week with Brady had nothing to do with this out come? You could see in Brady's eyes when it was 35 nothing he wanted to go out and score 35 more, my thoughts and I said it at half time was he was out to shut Gibbs up, he didn't appreciate Gibbs and his usual child psychology talking about how we are the biggest underdogs in the history of sports, as if Brady and the Pat's were that stupid, so if Gibbs was correct then why is any one crying over the out come it should have been expected, in fact if that was the case I think we did quite well, I guess Brady wanted to make Gibbs look like he knew what he was talking about, and he did!

Sorry but the real story here is Gibbs and the fact as good as he was in his first tenure, he is as bad in his second! The scary part is he doesn't have a clue!

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I'd respond, but I'm sure you'll say something about I have no actual football knowledge and I'm just a cheerleader and so on, so I won't bother.

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Late comer as usual...

Do I think Belichick ran up the score? absolutely...

Now the next question...does it really matter?

They won, we lost...on to the Meadowlands!!!!!