Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down?
 

He has ignored the problem up until this summer why should he step down now? He cant not say that he did not know that his kids were doing bad things before they got arrested. If he did not know he needs to know to become a better parent and be more involved in his kids life. And he can't not use the excuse of I was too busy to know what is going on due to my schedule. Family comes way before football. I know they are grown up and all and are responsible for there own actions but for him to not have a clue what they are doing is beyond belief.

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You either control your kids or you don't, sounds more like to me that Reid doesn't have the ability to teach his kids right from wrong, or insist upon it, so I don't know how quiting his job would help the matter, sounds like he needs money more than ever if he plans to help with the legal bills and so forth. Men all over the world go to work and stay away from their families and still manage to raise their children properly, one has nothing to do with the other. Reid needs to look himself in the mirror and figure out what he's doing wrong, because I believe I heard he has 3 more children he doesn't need them following their brothers down the same path.

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[quote=offiss;372735]You either control your kids or you don't, sounds more like to me that Reid doesn't have the ability to teach his kids right from wrong, or insist upon it, so I don't know how quiting his job would help the matter, sounds like he needs money more than ever if he plans to help with the legal bills and so forth. Men all over the world go to work and stay away from their families and still manage to raise their children properly, one has nothing to do with the other. [B]Reid needs to look himself[/B] [B]in the mirror and figure out what he's doing wrong[/B], because I believe I heard he has 3 more children he doesn't need them following their brothers down the same path.[/quote]
offiss, do you have kids? the reason i ask is that I'm a firm believer of the thought that you can be the best parent in the world, and you kids can still end up in trouble. to me, this statement is ridiculous

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Who gives a shit........

Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down?
 

[quote=offiss;372735]You either control your kids or you don't, sounds more like to me that Reid doesn't have the ability to teach his kids right from wrong, or insist upon it, so I don't know how quiting his job would help the matter, sounds like he needs money more than ever if he plans to help with the legal bills and so forth. Men all over the world go to work and stay away from their families and still manage to raise their children properly, one has nothing to do with the other. Reid needs to look himself in the mirror and figure out what he's doing wrong, because I believe I heard he has 3 more children he doesn't need them following their brothers down the same path.[/quote]


The thing is, after a point, your kids are going to do what they are going to do. Some kids listen and other kids don't. Turns out you can't actuallty control them, or anyone else but yourself.



People deal with things different ways. Maybe the best way for Coach to do it is to Coach.


That is his choice, and his decision. We have no idea what went on in that house.

Like my daughter says: "Never judge a man until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then you are a mile away and they have no shoes."

My 1.5 cents.

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[QUOTE=offiss;372735]You either control your kids or you don't, sounds more like to me that Reid doesn't have the ability to teach his kids right from wrong, or insist upon it, so I don't know how quiting his job would help the matter, sounds like he needs money more than ever if he plans to help with the legal bills and so forth. Men all over the world go to work and stay away from their families and still manage to raise their children properly, one has nothing to do with the other. Reid needs to look himself in the mirror and figure out what he's doing wrong, because I believe I heard he has 3 more children he doesn't need them following their brothers down the same path.[/QUOTE]

I think some of you guys are pretty insensitive to what he is going through. Offiss, men all over the world remove themselves from their kids lives and the kids grow up to be congressmen. Others parent as best they can and the kids still end up on drugs. Numerous studies have indicated that peer groups influence children's behavior much more then parenting.

To condemn Reid as a parent without, I am assuming here Offiss, any real knowledge of what has gone on in his house, is kind of arrogant and kind of insensitive.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;372736]offiss, do you have kids? the reason i ask is that I'm a firm believer of the thought that you can be the best parent in the world, and you kids can still end up in trouble. to me, this statement is ridiculous[/QUOTE]

I read a few of your posts on this subject dmek and can see your all over the place, first Reid should go to work, then he should resign, then being the best parent in the world has nothing to do with kids who go astray, so please make up your mind, if he's the best parent in the world right now, how would quiting his job serve any purpose as to making him even better than he already is? Or these kids are inherently bad and nothing he can do will stop them? Either argument I can't see why he would need to quit his job, he either is a lousy parent and quiting isn't going to make him better it will just keep him around the house more not knowing how to teach and discipline his kids, or he can quit and continue to be the best parent and be around the house more only to continue to watch these kids who as you have stated may be inherently bad continue to get into trouble. Either way quiting your job is NOT the solution.

And to answer you first question, no I do not have children.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;372747]I think some of you guys are pretty insensitive to what he is going through. Offiss, men all over the world remove themselves from their kids lives and the kids grow up to be congressmen. Others parent as best they can and the kids still end up on drugs. Numerous studies have indicated that peer groups influence children's behavior much more then parenting.

To condemn Reid as a parent without, I am assuming here Offiss, any real knowledge of what has gone on in his house, is kind of arrogant and kind of insensitive.[/QUOTE]

Assume all you want, the fact is the title of this thread is should he step down, so I am not condemning him the thread itself is saying that in the title, why should he step down? The thread is asking people to judge the situation, maybe it should have been a simple yes or no pole? The fact is he is either the problem, or he isn't, either way explain how quiting will help? I am assuming you have a problem with everyone who says he should step down on this one because asking him to step down is essentially saying he ain't getting the job done as a parent and should spend more time trying to get it right wouldn't you say?

[QUOTE]Numerous studies have indicated that peer groups influence children's behavior much more then parenting.
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Yea yea, we have heard it all, there's plenty of studies that prove other wise, teach your kids from an early age how to live, and act, and when they get older they wont part far from it, a parent BY Far has the greatest influence on his child's life, peer groups have more influence on a child when the lack of parental guidance does not provide them with a proper foundation and structure in their lives, so spare me all the hippie liberal nonsense designed to take responsibility away from every one so we can all sleep at night. Please. The amount of time spent with your children isn't as important as the quality of that time that is spent with them!

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what i said was he could be the best parent in the world, but once kids get to a certain age, their minds start making their own decisions. i don't know Reid's home situation, but to me, the problems seem to be more with Mrs Reid. she doesn't work, she knows the boys have on going drug issues. but when the police show up, there are drugs everywhere. with my daughter, both my wife and me were constantly looking thru her things. and her room. everyone has to work, and millions go to work every day with family issues. it all depends if you can do your job, and not let these issues interfere with it. that's a decision Reid has to make. but since he still has young ones, he might want to take a leave, and get on the same page with his wife. but its strictly up to him

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[quote=offiss;372761]



[B]Yea yea, we have heard it all, there's plenty of studies that prove other wise, teach your kids from an early age how to live, and act, and when they get older they wont part far from it,[/B] a parent BY Far has the greatest influence on his child's life, peer groups have more influence on a child when the lack of parental guidance does not provide them with a proper foundation and structure in their lives, so spare me all the hippie liberal nonsense designed to take responsibility away from every one so we can all sleep at night. Please. The amount of time spent with your children isn't as important as the quality of that time that is spent with them![/quote]
this is spoken from stupidity. both me and my wife have done all the right things with both my daughter, and my son. those 2 couldn't be more different. my boy does all the right things. and is basically a joy to be around. my daughter does whatever is on HER agenda, and screw everyone else. basically a royal bit**. they were both raised the same. and both me and my wife were heavily involved in their child hoods. we have talked to all the so called experts about my daughter, and none of them can agree. it has nothing to do with hippie liberal nonsense. it has everything to do with us wanting our daughter to be a healthy, productive member of society. so before you call someone out, either walk in their shoes, and learn about what your talking about. because either way, uninformed people like you come off sounding like big feeling a**holes

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[QUOTE=offiss;372761]Assume all you want, the fact is the title of this thread is should he step down, so I am not condemning him the thread itself is saying that in the title, why should he step down? The thread is asking people to judge the situation, maybe it should have been a simple yes or no pole? The fact is he is either the problem, or he isn't, either way explain how quiting will help? I am assuming you have a problem with everyone who says he should step down on this one because asking him to step down is essentially saying he ain't getting the job done as a parent and should spend more time trying to get it right wouldn't you say?



Yea yea, we have heard it all, there's plenty of studies that prove other wise, teach your kids from an early age how to live, and act, and when they get older they wont part far from it, a parent BY Far has the greatest influence on his child's life, peer groups have more influence on a child when the lack of parental guidance does not provide them with a proper foundation and structure in their lives, so spare me all the hippie liberal nonsense designed to take responsibility away from every one so we can all sleep at night. Please. The amount of time spent with your children isn't as important as the quality of that time that is spent with them![/QUOTE]

In response to the first paragraph I gathered from the tone of your post that you were condemning his parenting. If that's not the case I retract what I said. It seems a lot of people have been doing that and I think they should back off Reid, because they know nothing about what goes on in his house. Maybe he's a bad parent but my point is we don't know and can't know. So sorry if I misunderstood you.

In response to your second paragraph, I agree. All academic studies are nonsense, cooked up by hippies, and to cite them is also evidence of hippie sympathies. Everyone knows that kids are bad because the parents screwed up. Academic research to the contrary is really part of a liberal conspiracy to help people sleep, because you know liberals love coffee and they drink it so much they have insomnia. If I'd known I was picking a fight with a genius I never would have responded to your post. Please go easy on me professor.

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[quote=djnemo65;372766]In response to the first paragraph I gathered from the tone of your post that you were condemning his parenting. If that's not the case I retract what I said. It seems a lot of people have been doing that and I think they should back off Reid, because they know nothing about what goes on in his house. Maybe he's a bad parent but my point is we don't know and can't know. So sorry if I misunderstood you.

In response to your second paragraph, I agree. All academic studies are nonsense, cooked up by hippies, and to cite them is also evidence of hippie sympathies. Everyone knows that kids are bad because the parents screwed up. Academic research to the contrary is really part of a liberal conspiracy to help people sleep, because you know liberals love coffee and they drink it so much they have insomnia. If I'd known I was [B]picking a[/B] [B]fight with a genius[/B] I never would have responded to your post. Please go easy on me professor.[/quote]
hahahaha. and thanks djnemo65

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I don't want to condemn Andy Reid. He's a damn fine football coach, but I don't know a thing about him as a parent. None of us here know the ins and outs of his realtionship with his sons. They f-ed up big time, but I don't think that should immediately be a condemnation of his abilities as a father. The Reid sons are grown men- 23 and 24 years old. We're not talking about 16 year olds here.

As far as Andy Reid stepping down- No. Why now? His sons are both going to jail for possibly 23 months. What's he gonna do, quit the Eagles and sit on his couch and wish his sons weren't in the clink? If he needed to take time off to deal with family issues, that time has come and gone.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;372786]I don't want to condemn Andy Reid. He's a damn fine football coach, but I don't know a thing about him as a parent. None of us here know the ins and outs of his realtionship with his sons. They f-ed up big time, but I don't think that should immediately be a condemnation of his abilities as a father. The Reid sons are grown men- 23 and 24 years old. We're not talking about 16 year olds here.

As far as Andy Reid stepping down- No. Why now? His sons are both going to jail for possibly 23 months. What's he gonna do, quit the Eagles and sit on his couch and wish his sons weren't in the clink? If he needed to take time off to deal with family issues, that time has come and gone.[/QUOTE]

they think there tough too, they will see when they both becomes someones bitch in jail........you cant coach that

Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down?
 

Bigtime football coaches aren't the best dads just because of the whack schedule they have, especially during the season. This is the same kind of situation when Dungy's son committed suicide to a certain degree. Dad isn't around, all hell breaks loose or problems go unchecked, then a tragedy occurs. Reid's kids need to go behind bars and get a nasty reality check though. Their dad isn't going to be able to help them if he was truly clueless as to all those drugs that were in his house. I think he needs to step down though just to get his own house in order and be able to get his sons on track if possible. He has pretty much reached his zenith with the Eagles anyway.

Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down?
 

[quote=GMScud;372786]I don't want to condemn Andy Reid. He's a damn fine football coach, but I don't know a thing about him as a parent. None of us here know the ins and outs of his realtionship with his sons. They f-ed up big time, but I don't think that should immediately be a condemnation of his abilities as a father. The Reid sons are grown men- 23 and 24 years old. We're not talking about 16 year olds here.

As far as Andy Reid stepping down- No. Why now? His sons are both going to jail for possibly 23 months. What's he gonna do, quit the Eagles and sit on his couch and wish his sons weren't in the clink? If he needed to take time off to deal with family issues, that time has come and gone.[/quote]
I couldn't agree more--you hit it right on the head. And you said the exact same thing as Peter King said yesterday morning on sports radio up here in NYC.

Minus the "f-ed up" comment...

Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down?
 

Sure. And I should step down from my teaching job because my eighty one year old mother wrote a bad check. I'm also thinking of stepping down because my daughter is bipolar and my dogs sometimes get out and run the neighborhood.

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Andy is getting piled on but what about their mother?

Honestly though, parenting is a skill and one that aught to be exercised when your children are young. It's unfortunate that the Reids didn't.

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I dont think Reid should have this stuff thrown at him. At that age, their sons should be able to make smart decisions. Bad timing too, they have all this commotion right before the Dallas game.

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Just because these are Reids ADULT dumb ass kids that should know right from wrong, and don't. Alot of breakdowns have happened along the way, is this all his fault the kids are drug dealers and proud about that.....not hardly.

Are himself & wife partially to blame, of course.

IMO he will step down or be fired at the end of this season when the eagles finish last in the division, and the eagles start the rebuilding process without him.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;372829]Just because these are Reids ADULT dumb ass kids that should know right from wrong, and don't. Alot of breakdowns have happened along the way, is this all his fault the kids are drug dealers and proud about that.....not hardly.

Are himself & wife partially to blame, of course.

IMO he will step down or be fired at the end of this season when the eagles finish last in the division, and the eagles start the rebuilding process without him.[/quote]

Step down? Maybe. Be fired? No way. He's done too much for that team. They're defending division champs and have won, what, 6 outta the last 8 division titles I think? I can't see him being fired.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;372765]this is spoken from stupidity. both me and my wife have done all the right things with both my daughter, and my son. those 2 couldn't be more different. my boy does all the right things. and is basically a joy to be around. my daughter does whatever is on HER agenda, and screw everyone else. basically a royal bit**. they were both raised the same. and both me and my wife were heavily involved in their child hoods. we have talked to all the so called experts about my daughter, and none of them can agree. it has nothing to do with hippie liberal nonsense. it has everything to do with us wanting our daughter to be a healthy, productive member of society. so before you call someone out, either walk in their shoes, and learn about what your talking about. because either way, uninformed people like you come off sounding like big feeling a**holes[/QUOTE]


Did you ever stop to think you can't raise your children the same? Perhaps your daughter needed a little extra encouragement, or discipline, or perhaps whatever it takes to straighten her out? Not every one is the same some kids need a different approach, it sounds like you applied the Joe Gibbs game plan for raising children, one plan for all 32 teams?

It's to bad I am so uniformed, but I do believe your the one asking all these so called experts how to raise your kids, so tell me have you walked in my shoes? Because I can tell you I probably walked in yours?

If you would like to discuss this further this is not the forum to do so, take it to the appropriate thread, and I will gladly discuss it further in a calm rational manner. Thank you!

Re: Should Andy Reid Step Down?
 

[QUOTE=djnemo65;372766]In response to the first paragraph I gathered from the tone of your post that you were condemning his parenting. If that's not the case I retract what I said. It seems a lot of people have been doing that and I think they should back off Reid, because they know nothing about what goes on in his house. Maybe he's a bad parent but my point is we don't know and can't know. So sorry if I misunderstood you.

In response to your second paragraph, I agree. All academic studies are nonsense, cooked up by hippies, and to cite them is also evidence of hippie sympathies. Everyone knows that kids are bad because the parents screwed up. Academic research to the contrary is really part of a liberal conspiracy to help people sleep, because you know liberals love coffee and they drink it so much they have insomnia. If I'd known I was picking a fight with a genius I never would have responded to your post. Please go easy on me professor.[/QUOTE]

Well it takes one to know one, obviously you missed the boat.

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[quote=offiss;372841]Did you ever stop to think you can't raise your children the same? Perhaps your daughter needed a little extra encouragement, or discipline, or perhaps whatever it takes to straighten her out? Not every one is the same some kids need a different approach, it sounds like you applied the Joe Gibbs game plan for raising children, one plan for all 32 teams?

It's to bad I am so uniformed, but I do believe [B]your the one asking all[/B] [B]these so called experts how to raise your kids,[/B] so tell me have you walked in my shoes? Because I can tell you I probably walked in yours?

If you would like to discuss this further this is not the forum to do so, take it to the appropriate thread, and I will gladly discuss it further in a calm rational manner. Thank you![/quote]
it has nothing to do with raising my kids. it has everything to do with handling problems. and why would i want to talk about this with someone who doesn't have kids? what inside could you probably have to offer me? do us all a favor and stick to your Ramsey threads. i was on the fence about my opinion of you. but now i think its right in line with everyone else around here