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I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate for this, but I'm starting to doubt Gibbs as well. JC was killing them with the pass all day, and then we get 7 consecutive plays inside the redzone and he chooses to run the ball? I'm sorry but if it isn't broke don't fix it, the pass was working down the field, inside the red zone, and then he chooses to run the ball in the redzone and kick the field goal.

At the end of the season, I would like Gibbs to go into the front office and take more part in scouting players. He has the right players in place, but for some reason it is not working. I would like Snyder to hire a coach with the same philosophies as Gibbs, but someone who is more emotional and less conservative.

The more injuries I see the more I think back to the offseason when Gibbs was like, ok players you can do your own thing at your own place, and have more time to yourself instead of having to come into camp every day. We've never had this many nagging injuries in the past, and it seems like one more significant player falls every game. ST's presence was sorely missed today when he left the game, and if we don't have him next week we are in for a long day. I'm not blaming (Pray-low) for the touchdown pass to Reggie Brown, he was playing that fine and McNabb just put the ball in a spot where only Reggie Brown could make a play on it. But there was some huge busted coverage on Westbrook's screen pass. It's amazing how all week we heard about how we need to focus on Westbrook in that offense, and then when the game rolls around he still kills us.

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong about all this, which there is a good chance I could be. But I've grown absolutely sick and tired of these second half collapses. After losses like these I'm glad I have this site to come to because I know i'm not the only fan out there who is devastated by the way we lose these games.

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[quote=cocoajoey;376583]What game are you watching today I saw a resdskins offense that chould not put it in on the gold line also they went for it 4th & 13 on there own 20 late in the 4th Quter that cost us the game!![/quote]


please tell me you meant "goal line" instead of "gold line" also i really hope "quter" was just a typo

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[QUOTE=chrisl4064;376598]please tell me you meant "goal line" instead of "gold line" also i really hope "quter" was just a typo[/QUOTE]

Please tell me you meant to include periods after "gold line" and "typo." Please also tell me that you meant to include a comma after "also."

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The problem today was that we couldn't stop anyone after Taylor left the game. That, Godfrey's dropped int, and the officials two bailout illegal contact calls which both led to TDs, and the second of which was never shown on replay by Fox which leads me to believe it probably didn't happen were what made the diffference.

The idea that Joe Gibbs should step down as Head Coach is only equaled in absurdity by the notion that Bill Cowher is the answer. Cowher is at least as conservative as Gibbs is (with two fewer rings). The idea of having to look at his meatheaded face on the sideline, wrinkling up his nose sickens me.

Lastly, someone needs to tell Sellers to quit acting a fool and play football. He has no business going airborn. No business...

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[QUOTE=cocoajoey;376583]What game are you watching today I saw a resdskins offense that chould not put it in on the gold line also they went for it 4th & 13 on there own 20 late in the 4th Quter that cost us the game!![/QUOTE]

First of all, it's goal line, not gold line. Secondly, you're complaining about a non-issue if our defense hadn't committed penalties that sustained Eagles drives that went for scores. Our offense played its best game of the season today. Campbell had a huge day, and Clinton Portis went over 130 yards. The offense did everything they were supposed to to have put this game away early, but the defense kept letting them back in the ball game. The offense didn't cause those illegal contact fouls or the other penalties the defense committed. Therefore, saying Gibbs needs to go is illogical.

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Why is it all you gibbs haters refuse to see that we have a plethera of injuries??? Give another team the injuries we have and no way do they go 5-4 to this point. Gibbs is doing a good job with what he has.

And for the guy that said fired GW...remember he is dealing with a lack of a pass rush, and injuries to the secondary. You can't expect miracles when your best team is sitting on the bench.

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[QUOTE=redskinsfanatic;376577]exactly!gibbs has given the redskins a better chance of winning these last 4 years than
any other or all of the skins coaches before his return![/QUOTE]

Sorry, but I have to disagree here. Though we only had him for a short time, Marty would yield better chance than Gibbs. Marty has a better eye for talent than Gibbs (and better than Cowher, by the way) and he commands ten times the respect from his players. Marty's downfall has always been getting too conservative right at the end of close games.

Gibbs gets too conservative before the kick-off.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;376614]Why is it all you gibbs haters refuse to see that we have a plethera of injuries??? Give another team the injuries we have and no way do they go 5-4 to this point. Gibbs is doing a good job with what he has.

And for the guy that said fired GW...remember he is dealing with a lack of a pass rush, and injuries to the secondary. You can't expect miracles when your best team is sitting on the bench.[/QUOTE]

Injuries had little to do w/ the game today IMO. Losing ST was big but he's only one player and Praylow is a veteran. We lost because we couldn't get in the endzone when it mattered, because of horrific clock management, and because we're generally-speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football. That's all coaching. IMO.

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[quote=hurrykaine;376606]Please tell me you meant to include periods after "gold line" and "typo." Please also tell me that you meant to include a comma after "also."[/quote]


thats all on purpose, it slows down my typing..... but thanks for noticing

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because i dont feel like talking about gibbs anymore, is anyone watching jimmie johnson in first place right now?

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;376616] ....[B]Marty has a better eye for talent than Gibbs (and better than Cowher, by the way) and he commands ten times the respect from his players....[/B]

...[B]Marty's downfall has always been getting too conservative right at the end of close games.[/B] ..

[/quote]

That would have been a big help today.

As for Marty being a great talent evaluator I can only say, "Rod Gardner". And ten times more respect? Really? Ten times as much?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;376614]Why is it all you gibbs haters refuse to see that we have a plethera of injuries??? Give another team the injuries we have and no way do they go 5-4 to this point. Gibbs is doing a good job with what he has.

And for the guy that said fired GW...remember he is dealing with a lack of a pass rush, and injuries to the secondary. You can't expect miracles when your best team is sitting on the bench.[/QUOTE]


Good post. People don't want to see that, because they have a losers mentality. They just call it "keeping it real" so as to give them an excuse to complain. If our team was completely healthy, we'd be in first place right now. Still, there are seven more games left to play. Plenty of opportunities for us to right the wrongs of this season. Besides, even the most "kool-aid" of us said we'd be 10-6.

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No one is going anywhere, we are 5-4 the season is still somewhat young. The problem with Gibbs this time around is that you CANNOT WIN WITH CONSERVATISM. This league is changed so much that it is an "attack" game. In the 80's and 90's you could get away with it. You can't win being conservative!

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;376618]Injuries had little to do w/ the game today IMO. Losing ST was big but he's only one player and Praylow is a veteran. We lost because we couldn't get in the endzone when it mattered, because of horrific clock management, and because we're generally-speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football. That's all coaching. IMO.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say today...and if you fire someone for 1 day, you should be locked up.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;376618]Injuries had little to do w/ the game today IMO. Losing ST was big but he's only one player and Praylow is a veteran. We lost because we couldn't get in the endzone when it mattered, because of horrific clock management, and because we're generally-speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football. That's all coaching. IMO.[/QUOTE]

First off, who the heck is Praylow? Secondly, it's funny how you completely ignore all the mistakes the defense made.

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And jsarno guy is right, injuries will kill a team. Be thankful for 5-4, instead of 0-9.

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[quote=skinsguy;376623]Good post. People don't want to see that, because they have a losers mentality. They just call it "keeping it real" so as to give them an excuse to complain. If our team was completely healthy, we'd be in first place right now. Still, there are seven more games left to play. Plenty of opportunities for us to right the wrongs of this season. Besides, even the most "kool-aid" of us said we'd be 10-6.[/quote]


in order to be a good team in the NFL you have to be able to deal with injuries. i understand we have had our fair share of them so far, but we need to be able to adjust to that. lack of depth is something falls on the coaches during the offseason. injuries are part of the game.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;376623]Good post. People don't want to see that, because they have a losers mentality. They just call it "keeping it real" so as to give them an excuse to complain. If our team was completely healthy, we'd be in first place right now. Still, there are seven more games left to play. Plenty of opportunities for us to right the wrongs of this season. Besides, even the most "kool-aid" of us said we'd be 10-6.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

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[QUOTE=chrisl4064;376619]thats all on purpose, it slows down my typing..... but thanks for noticing[/QUOTE]

Just kidding, dude. You're fine. Very predictable theme here....another skins loss, another "Gibbs-must-go" thread. At that point, Gibbs lovers deflect attention from Gibbs' inadequacies and start to focus on spelling errors and question the character of Gibbs doubters.

Had a very interesting incident in one of the threads after the Pats debacle where the Gibbs must go thread morphed into an attack on a forum member's character and marital fidelity.

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[quote=skinsguy;376623]Good post. People don't want to see that, because they have a losers mentality. They just call it "keeping it real" so as to give them an excuse to complain. If our team was completely healthy, we'd be in first place right now. Still, there are seven more games left to play. Plenty of opportunities for us to right the wrongs of this season. Besides, even the most "kool-aid" of us said we'd be 10-6.[/quote]




What explains last season then? I just see a guy doing the " they fought their guts out" routine when they lose a game they deserved to win most of the time. Clock management has stunk all season, the penalties hve been a problem as of late. The injuries have hurt us, plus the lack of execution earlier in the season also. Thing is not much has changed in terms of team attitude from the Norv era. Norv was too laid back, Spurrier was like "Awwwwww Shucks we lost" also. Now we just hear "They fought their guts out". No killer instinct at all and not much imagination. Those lack of attributes you can't blame on injuries!!!!!!!

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;376618]Injuries had little to do w/ the game today IMO. Losing ST was big but he's only one player and Praylow is a veteran. We lost because we couldn't get in the endzone when it mattered, because of horrific clock management, and because we're generally-speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football. That's all coaching. IMO.[/quote]


How was the clock management horrific today? Could you cite specific examples?

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;376636]What explains last season then?[/QUOTE]

Injuries. Lost Portis for the season, Santana was hurt last year, transition from Brunell to Jason Campbell, and our defense collapsing last season. That is what explains last season.

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Looks like we're basically a .500 team. We can beat (barely) teams like the Dolphins, Jets and Cardinals who can't beat anyone. We hang tough with tough teams but usually blow the games late (Giants, Packers, Eagles). Some of the late-game disasters fall on the shoulders of the coaches - especially Gregg Williams.

If we finish 8-8, it will be an improvement over last year but a regression from 2005. And, it will be time for some of the top coaches to let someone else give it a try.

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[quote=hurrykaine;376635]Just kidding, dude. You're fine. Very predictable theme here....another skins loss, another "Gibbs-must-go" thread. At that point, Gibbs lovers deflect attention from Gibbs' inadequacies and start to focus on spelling errors and question the character of Gibbs doubters.

Had a very interesting incident in one of the threads after the Pats debacle where the Gibbs must go thread morphed into an attack on a forum member's character and marital fidelity.[/quote]

i actually knew you were kidding but said to myself "what a dick!" haha

took me a minute to figure out how to respond to that knowing i dont use caps and ignore periods and commas.

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it is time to move in a different direction with the coach. keep GW and its time to offer a decent OC a head coach position

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[QUOTE=twinskinsfan;376630]And jsarno guy is right, injuries will kill a team. Be thankful for 5-4, instead of 0-9.[/QUOTE]

Exactly...let's look at this objectively. We lost Thomas / Jansen / Rogers and Moss for most games, and Taylor here lately...all of whom are pro bowl caliber players. We've lost more than that, but those are HUGE losses that are extremely difficult to overcome.
I don't like the way is conservative most of the time, but he's gotten better and he is in no way the problem here...he's done a good job with what he's had to work with.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;376629]First off, who the heck is Praylow? Secondly, it's funny how you completely ignore all the mistakes the defense made.[/QUOTE]

Praylow is the guy with the funny last name, which I refuse to try to spell correctly because I don't want to look it up. Secondly, mistakes on defense are part of "generally speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football." Penalty after penalty (on both sides of the ball) is sloppy and disorganized. Defense caving in when ONE FRIGGIN GUY goes out w/ an injury is sloppy and disorganized. IMO.

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;376647]Praylow is the guy with the funny last name, which I refuse to try to spell correctly because I don't want to look it up. Secondly, mistakes on defense are part of "generally speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football." Penalty after penalty (on both sides of the ball) is sloppy and disorganized. Defense caving in when ONE FRIGGIN GUY goes out w/ an injury is sloppy and disorganized. IMO.[/quote]

He probably thinks your last name is funny...

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[QUOTE=70Chip;376637]How was the clock management horrific today? Could you cite specific examples?[/QUOTE]

We blew two TO's in second half that would have come in quite handy w/ 2:31 left on a last ditch drive. Also called a TO earlier w/ 2:06 on the clock that seemed to only benefit Philly.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;376647]Praylow is the guy with the funny last name, which I refuse to try to spell correctly because I don't want to look it up. Secondly, mistakes on defense are part of "generally speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football." Penalty after penalty (on both sides of the ball) is sloppy and disorganized. Defense caving in when ONE FRIGGIN GUY goes out w/ an injury is sloppy and disorganized. IMO.[/QUOTE]

No, you're too lazy to look up Prioleau. Secondly, besides Betts putting the ball on the ground, the offense was quite organized today.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;376652]He probably thinks your last name is funny...[/QUOTE]

He probably can't spell my last name either, even though it only has four letters.

Wait.. my last name on the site is Fan, that's only three letters.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;376653]We blew two TO's in second half that would have come in quite handy w/ 2:31 left on a last ditch drive. Also called a TO earlier w/ 2:06 on the clock that seemed to only benefit Philly.[/QUOTE]

Calling time out to avoid running a bad play doesn't have anything to do with clock management.

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;376647]Praylow is the guy with the funny last name, which I refuse to try to spell correctly because I don't want to look it up. Secondly, mistakes on defense are part of "generally speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football." Penalty after penalty (on both sides of the ball) is sloppy and disorganized. Defense caving in when ONE FRIGGIN GUY goes out w/ an injury is sloppy and disorganized. IMO.[/quote]


[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson_Prioleau]Pierson Prioleau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

take a second....

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[quote=70Chip;376637]How was the clock management horrific today? Could you cite specific examples?[/quote]
I am actually still in Gibbs corner but....
TO instead of a delay of game penalty right before trying a 23 yd fg.
Several instances of not getting plays in quick enough.
Too many men on defense.
Not the worst game but it still hurt.

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So I just came to the warpath to check in on you all, and this is the first thread I see lol. :doh: typical

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[quote=skinsguy;376639]Injuries. Lost Portis for the season, Santana was hurt last year, transition from Brunell to Jason Campbell, and our defense collapsing last season. That is what explains last season.[/quote]


Portis wasn't a huge blow as Betts came on nicely. The QB situation had Gibbs all over it as he refused to put JC in to salvage the season. Defense collapsed as it was on the field for most of the game due to a horrid passing attack due to MB starting as a result of Gibbs obstinance.

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;376653]We blew two TO's in second half that would have come in quite handy w/ 2:31 left on a last ditch drive. Also called a TO earlier w/ 2:06 on the clock that seemed to only benefit Philly.[/quote]


Earlier, as in the first half when they were about to punt and we were trying to prevent them from running the clock down to two minutes? That was the right move at the time and Philly did not end up scoring. If they hadn't of called the To then, you'd be bitching about that.

As to the last drive, TO's don't do any good when you can't get a first down so it was not a factor. It could have been but it wasn't. 2:30 is plenty of time to move down the field with or without TOs. Yes you would prefer to have them, but it had little impact on the game today.

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[quote=skinsguy;376659]Calling time out to avoid running a bad play doesn't have anything to do with clock management.[/quote]


well it could if its too early, like in the third. then forcing you to decide in the fourth how to deal with the remaining time with 2 time outs.

or how about when we didnt have any timeouts to challenge the CAUGHT ball by mccardell i believe. i understand that had nothing to do with clock management, but the first part does.

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I do agree Gibbs either needs to step up or step down. I would rather see another coach in there having success than see Gibbs in there tarnishing his HOF record.

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;376653]We blew two TO's in second half that would have come in quite handy w/ 2:31 left on a last ditch drive. Also called a TO earlier w/ 2:06 on the clock that seemed to only benefit Philly.[/quote]
Calling the TO w/ 2:06 in the 1st half is Gibbs being aggressive. He was blasted earlier in the year for letting the clock run down to the 2 minute warning when they were going to try hurry up offense. It retrospect it did help Philly because we went 3 and out but if Lloyd makes the catch or we convert the 3rd down it would have been nice to have time to try to score before half. Can't have it both ways. Play aggressive and run the risk of giving them the ball back with time or kill the last 2 minutes and have no shot at points before the half.