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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;382603]Please. It's less than a fucking foot! We go for the field goal and then we'd have another round of "Gibbs Has No Killer Instinct" threads. Alll that "conversative" crap everyone complains about. Gibbs should leave because no one will ever be satisfied with anything ever.

Campbell has to shoulder some of, but not all, the blame.[/QUOTE]

run a fucking bootleg, run to the side, anything then a run up the gut on the number 1 defense in the league, qb sneak beats that play.

And you have to have the lead to have a killer instinct, and losing by nine in the third quarter is not what i call a killer instinct. the patriots thats a killer instinct.

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He is but we can't deny how much better he is getting. Lets hope his memory is short term and doesn't blame himself and take it to hard. Because this kid is good and he has potential to become a pro-bowler.

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[quote=Vulta121;382670]He is but we can't deny how much better he is getting. Lets hope his memory is short term and doesn't blame himself and take it to hard. Because this kid is good and he has potential to become a pro-bowler.[/quote]

I'm not sure Campbell is getting better. I fear he is becoming turnover prone. He reminds me a little of Patrick Ramsey: Move the ball, get lots of passing yards and then throw an INT. Campbell will be a decent QB, but he has to stop turning the ball over. How many lost fumbles does he have this year?

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Everyone is accountable. The first pick JC threw was not his fault. Barber read the play, faked one way and broke on the ball. These plays are designed plays and it's not like he is calling his own plays. These are timing plays and JC's job is to throw the ball to a spot and he threw it to the right spot.

As for the final pick, that was definitely his fault and should be accountable for it. He could have thrown the ball away instead of just chucking it.

The turnovers were killers and I can honestly say only the last pick can be attributed to JC.

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he def. shoulders a good deal of the L, but the turnovers in the first half absolutely killed us...

I love campbell bc he gives me hope. He gives me confidence that we can convert 3rd and anything...yet he's killing me with his now routine (??) choking in the redzone...he seems to panic...which is not unexpected given his tenure, however, perhaps we've overhyped his composure.

there is hope- just not really for this season...though i will continue to think we can run the table..

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[quote=Twilbert07;382691]I'm not sure Campbell is getting better. [/quote]

His completion percentage is up, and so is his yardage. I'm perfectly fine with him receiving some of the blame for the loss, but when people start acting like he needs to be replaced, it pisses me off. What are you people expecting? [B]Every [/B]quarterback makes mistakes. This quarterback in particular is still young, and playing with a patchwork offensive line and a makeshift receiving core. The supposed "top two" receivers can't stay healthy, and one drops half the balls thrown his way.

And honestly, those picks are lumps he has to take. Campbell is very good in a two minute offense and in the red zone. Almost too good for his own good. Throwing the picks will help him to learn that he can't do EVERYTHING. It just sucks that it happens with the game on the line, but it is something he will learn from.

And let's not forget, the Bucs have the [B]#1 [/B]defense in the NFC. They've made a lot of more established quarterbacks look bad too.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;382647]I'm glad u came on here,with your connections is there any way you can get word to gibbs that everyone knows when jason lifts his leg in the shotgun the ball is snapped? thats happened every time he fumbles,he's making it way to easy for other teams to anticipate the snap[/QUOTE]

um...sure

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Right now Campbell, on his own, is good enough to "just" lose the big game when the pressures on. What he needs right now is another horse to shoulder the burden. Unfortunately, most of our marquis offensive players are suffering from aperiodic manopause that causes them to lose control of their extremities at key points in the game. There has got to be a pill out there to help. Doctors, quacks, anybody? Help us. Please.

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Yes Jason is accountable for this loss. I don't think it is all his fault but our defense gave him 2 chances at the end of the game and he through 2 passes right to the Bucs. That just won't cut it.

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If Jason shoulders the blame, then who is he letting down? His wideouts dropped 4 passes in the first half, the running game is going nowhere, and the blocking is sporadic at best. We're getting no explosive plays, very little run after catch, and no one outside of Campbell making a play. So yeah, lets blame the one guy on the team who has shown some improvement. Or we could look around at the other skill positions and wonder when they're going to start pulling their own weight. I blame Moss, Portis, and Heyer for letting the d-end come around and hit Jason at the top of his five step drop.

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I want to compare JC to another Skins Qback, Mark Rypien.

I remember one season Ryp fumbled 8 times in a few games. Gibbs sat him down for a while.

Next year he wins the Super Bowl.

This was JC's 17th start. Rome wasn't built in a day, and outside Big Ben, very few QB's turn into super bowl MVP's in a year.

Is there stuff he can learn from? Sure. But... Moss and Portis fumbling concerns me a lot more. Moss has done this twice now in big games for us this year.

Portis did it twice today.

And don't get me started on Samuels not blocking his man that swattede the ball from JC on his blindside.

JC need to improve on his long pass accuracy and his received selection a bit.

He will be a better QB next year than this year.

Get him a healthy line, and it will be playoffs next year.

IMHO

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[quote=htownskinfan;382647]I'm glad u came on here,with your connections is there any way you can get word to gibbs that [B]everyone knows when jason lifts his leg in the shotgun the ball is snapped[/B]? thats happened every time he fumbles,he's making it way to easy for other teams to anticipate the snap[/quote]

Have you ever watched another NFL game before? Every team does that.

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[quote=Southpaw;382715]His completion percentage is up, and so is his yardage. I'm perfectly fine with him receiving some of the blame for the loss, but when people start acting like he needs to be replaced, it pisses me off. What are you people expecting? [B]Every [/B]quarterback makes mistakes. This quarterback in particular is still young, and playing with a patchwork offensive line and a makeshift receiving core. The supposed "top two" receivers can't stay healthy, and one drops half the balls thrown his way.

And honestly, those picks are lumps he has to take. Campbell is very good in a two minute offense and in the red zone. Almost too good for his own good. Throwing the picks will help him to learn that he can't do EVERYTHING. It just sucks that it happens with the game on the line, but it is something he will learn from.

And let's not forget, the Bucs have the [B]#1 [/B]defense in the NFC. They've made a lot of more established quarterbacks look bad too.[/quote]

I am a big Campbell fan. I bought his jersey before last year's season when Brunell was the starter. In fact, there's no "J" on it because it was before we signed K. Campbell.

That said, I expect him to learn from his mistakes. We all read and admired how he cried after last week's game-losing interception. To make the same mistake twice in three minutes today shows he did not learn how to look off the hot receiver, run or throw away the ball.

If it comes down to the same situation next week, would he throw another INT? I want him to start learning how to win games during the last minute, not come close but lose.

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Cant blame Cambell. Ok it was poor decisions but if Moss and Portis hadnt muffed it right off the bat JC wouldnt have had another comeback on his mind.

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[quote=Ocliw;382787]Cant blame Cambell. Ok it was poor decisions but if Moss and Portis hadnt muffed it right off the bat JC wouldnt have had the game on his shoulders.[/quote]

Whether JC is to blame or not, I hope he stops fumbling practically every game (3 v. New England).

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;382757]Have you ever watched another NFL game before? Every team does that.[/QUOTE]

wow,your football knowledge is truly amazing,amazingly wrong!!!!!!!!!
every team doesnt do it,and they most certainly do not telegraph it the way Jason does,HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED AN NFL GAME BEFORE? have you not watched Campbell fumble from being blindsided these last games? how many of those were out of a shotgun snap where the snap count was anticipated?
Yes I have seen teams do it,but not every time,I just watched Warner out of the shotgun and he doesnt do it,and the good qb's like Favre will change their voice and cadence to draw the other teams offsides,you ever seen Campbell do that? please impress me some more of you football knowledge,like where you cant compare Romo to Campbell becuase he has 2 more yrs of riding the bench but only 3 more reg season starts

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[quote=htownskinfan;382792]wow,your football knowledge is truly amazing,amazingly wrong!!!!!!!!!
every team doesnt do it,and they most certainly do not telegraph it the way Jason does,HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED AN NFL GAME BEFORE? have you not watched Campbell fumble from being blindsided these last games? how many of those were out of a shotgun snap where the snap count was anticipated?
Yes I have seen teams do it,but not every time,I just watched Warner out of the shotgun and he doesnt do it,and the good qb's like Favre will change their voice and cadence to draw the other teams offsides,you ever seen Campbell do that? please impress me some more of you football knowledge,like where you cant compare Romo to Campbell becuase he has 2 more yrs of riding the bench but only 3 more reg season starts[/quote]

That's because Warner is playing at home right now. Why would he do a silent snap at home?? :doh:

LOL who's amazingly wrong??

Not sure what you're watching but it's quite common around the league. It's called a silent snap.

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Such highs and lows watching him. Great poise,hell of a long ball,doesnt bounce around all nervous like P. Manning, but he fumbles too much.

Cant have cake and eat it I guess but hell ,hes young. Im sure he will improve.

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[quote=htownskinfan;382792]wow,your football knowledge is truly amazing,amazingly wrong!!!!!!!!!
every team doesnt do it,and they most certainly do not telegraph it the way Jason does,HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED AN NFL GAME BEFORE? have you not watched Campbell fumble from being blindsided these last games? how many of those were out of a shotgun snap where the snap count was anticipated?
Yes I have seen teams do it,but not every time,I just watched Warner out of the shotgun and he doesnt do it,and the good qb's like Favre will change their voice and cadence to draw the other teams offsides,you ever seen Campbell do that? please impress me some more of you football knowledge,like where you cant compare Romo to Campbell becuase he has 2 more yrs of riding the bench but only 3 more reg season starts[/quote]

Wow, are you serious? Every team does it in shotgun formation when they are playing in hostile and noisy environment. Not only that but they also fake it to throw off defenders...it's a visual snap count. You need to watch more football.

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our three key offensive players hindered us more than any other players today...

3 turnovers for the 'canes and 3 for the qb.

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[quote=pdid5000;382507]seems like he always throws to the first option, no matter if the receiver is double or triple covered, he lost this game today. he's looking like an average inconsistent career backup, remember patrick ramsey.[/quote]

Since Patrick Ramsey was a starting quarterback for both Spurrier and Gibbs, it is simply retarded to call him a 'career" backup. It is also retarded to call anyone a "career" backup before his career is over, just as it would be wrong to call you a "career" retard before you die.

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[quote=jdlea;382496]I'd still rather see him out there making mistakes, he needs to learn.

And no, I don't put the loss on him. I put a horrendous first half that spotted TB 19 points, a terrible call on 4th on short and some bad passes by Campbell.

As for "the same dumb pass 3 weeks in a row," let's see...a route that where Antwaan invites the corner in front of him, a great play by Ronde to disguise his coverage on another short pass, and a ball he definitely shouldn't have thrown, at least not to Santana Moss. All of them are very different mistakes...[/quote]

on the first int i think it was, He should have fake pumped to Moss. i forget who it was, might have been KM that was wide open on a streak.. definitely would have been a td if he would have thrown it and KM caught it.

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This Loss Is Campbell's Fault

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There are some Campbell's fault, but he will learn from that. I'm not feeling really bad today for the lost becuase Giants and Cardinals lose the game too. We still got a change.

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[quote=memphisskin;382739]If Jason shoulders the blame, then who is he letting down? His wideouts dropped 4 passes in the first half, the running game is going nowhere, and the blocking is sporadic at best. We're getting no explosive plays, very little run after catch, and no one outside of Campbell making a play. So yeah, lets blame the one guy on the team who has shown some improvement. Or we could look around at the other skill positions and wonder when they're going to start pulling their own weight. I blame Moss, Portis, and Heyer for letting the d-end come around and hit Jason at the top of his five step drop.[/quote]

I am a novice, but I was wondering when somebody was going to mention, the dropped passes. The Cowboys game in my opinion was theirs for the taking, except for the drop passes. I love Campbell. We need WR and passionate players!

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[quote=Skinsgirl;382981]I am a novice, but I was wondering when somebody was going to mention, the dropped passes. The Cowboys game in my opinion was theirs for the taking, except for the drop passes. I love Campbell. We need WR and passionate players![/quote]

Definately a problem, every game, and usually by santana, or randle el, or portis, the guys we should be relying on to get us the wins.

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[quote=kenvivi;382851]There are some Campbell's fault, but he will learn from that. I'm not feeling really bad today for the lost becuase Giants and Cardinals lose the game too. We still got a change.[/quote]


I wish i was as drunk as you right now.... wait, you are drunk right?

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When it came down to the end it was campbell's fault but he did put us in the position to win the game despite the previous 5 turn overs. How much is my life being shortened by being a Redskins fan?

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Campbell deserves blame for throwing a bad pass with a chance to score and win the game. It was a dumb pass from a promising player who is only going to get better, a player who has been at times electric this season with a hobbled line, inconsistent running game, and goofy receiving core.

This is a flawed team, mediocre in a mediocre conference. Maybe Brady and Manning could make them elite, but nobody else. You can blame Campbell for a terrible decision late in the game, but don't start prognosticating about his career. Bank on this, Campbell is going to do great things in his career, in spite of what you bumbling imbeciles on here might write after a painful loss.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;382999]Campbell deserves blame for throwing a bad pass with a chance to score and win the game. It was a dumb pass from a promising player who is only going to get better, a player who has been at times electric this season with a hobbled line, inconsistent running game, and goofy receiving core.

This is a flawed team, mediocre in a mediocre conference. Maybe Brady and Manning could make them elite, but nobody else. You can blame Campbell for a terrible decision late in the game, but don't start prognosticating about his career. Bank on this, Campbell is going to do great things in his career, in spite of what you bumbling imbeciles on here might write after a painful loss.[/QUOTE]

Most of what you said is right!!! He had a few bad plays this week and last. That is the growing pains of a NFL QB. As for the vets on this team many have shown very little. Portis putting the ball on the ground as did Moss! These are the vets that should lead the way not kill us week end and week out!!!! Funny thing is this one didn't hurt that bad because I have become use to this and knowning it's come!!! Face it this is a so so team that needs many things with a cap problem in 08 and more needs then the draft picks we have! It's going to take something we don't have in the FO to right this ship!!!

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JC just needs to find a way to become clutch. A great game is good but he needs to eliminate the mistakes. The int's and fumbles are killing this season. I'm not sure but i think JC leads the league in fumbles. JC will have next year as well and if it is the same story he will be gone no matter who the coach is. I would hate to see that and i hope everything turns around. This team needs a true franchise QB since there hasn't been one in years. Rypien, Williams, and Schroeder were not franchise QB's. Theisman was the last true QB this team has had and what was that, like twenty some years ago. In the long and short of it, i really like JC and i think everyone on this board likes JC, so lets just grin and bare it for now. It really can't get any worse.

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[QUOTE=JankySpanky80;383005][B]JC just needs to find a way to become clutch.[/B] A great game is good but he needs to eliminate the mistakes. The int's and fumbles are killing this season. I'm not sure but i think JC leads the league in fumbles. JC will have next year as well and if it is the same story he will be gone no matter who the coach is. I would hate to see that and i hope everything turns around. This team needs a true franchise QB since there hasn't been one in years. Rypien, Williams, and Schroeder were not franchise QB's. Theisman was the last true QB this team has had and what was that, like twenty some years ago. In the long and short of it, i really like JC and i think everyone on this board likes JC, so lets just grin and bare it for now. It really can't get any worse.[/QUOTE]

Did you see the game versus LSU his senior season? He's definitely got clutch in him.

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Campbell looked devastated at the end at least a sign that he cares. Pity the same cannot be said about some of the others. Moss looks and unfit and disinterested, the confidence of Portis is gone. Campbell gets slated. OK he has thrown heartbreaking interceptions in Dallas and Tampa but more or less singlehandedly dragged the offence back into the match. Give the guy a break. Maybe we should be taking a long look at our Head Coach. Gibbs was slaughtered by the British media after the loss over here. Is it time to call it a day, Joe. Oh to have 11 Cooleys on the field!!!

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[quote=BLACKS;383009]Campbell looked devastated at the end at least a sign that he cares. Pity the same cannot be said about some of the others. Moss looks and unfit and disinterested, the confidence of Portis is gone. Campbell gets slated. OK he has thrown heartbreaking interceptions in Dallas and Tampa but more or less singlehandedly dragged the offence back into the match. Give the guy a break. Maybe we should be taking a long look at our Head Coach. Gibbs was slaughtered by the British media after the loss over here. Is it time to call it a day, Joe. Oh to have 11 Cooleys on the field!!![/quote]



First off, im not the biggest Portis fan in the world, but he showed me a lot today. After the fumbles he came out and ran the shit out of the ball in the second half. What about Campbell throwing the ball out of bounds and yet again showing us that his deep ball needs serious improvement. I honestly dont like Gibbs at the helm of this team, i would like to see him go, however i DO NOT blame him at all for this loss. Tampa Bay is not a horrible team, maybe againsed a weaker team we could have won this game with the show we put on in the second half, but they have some guys in thier secondary that have legit shots at the pro bowl this year. We just dug too big a hole for ourselves.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;382793]That's because Warner is playing at home right now. Why would he do a silent snap at home?? :doh:

LOL who's amazingly wrong??

Not sure what you're watching but it's quite common around the league. It's called a silent snap.[/QUOTE]

your right,I apologize,I'm going to ban myself for a week for stupidity,but it doesnt change the fact that teams have our silent count down,95 percent of the time as soon as Jason drops his leg the ball is snapped,now i dont know if they are seeing that or picking something else up but they are getting tremendous jumps on the ball

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It's pretty damn stupid to say JC was the sole reason for this loss. Did anyone watch the game? A number of mistakes accounted for today's loss. Did JC have a couple? Yes. Did he have all of them? No.

He's very young and inexperienced as NFL Qb's go. Let's wait a little while before we pass judgement either way. I like the 300 yard game again. I like his poise and leadership. And I like the fact that he is much better than last year. I have a feeling he'll work his butt off in the offseason and come out better than this year.

I think some people think he should just step right in and be the second coming of Joe Montana...Be realistic. Have a little more patience. He is showing some signs of good things.

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;382739]If Jason shoulders the blame, then who is he letting down? His wideouts dropped 4 passes in the first half, the running game is going nowhere, and the blocking is sporadic at best. We're getting no explosive plays, very little run after catch, and no one outside of Campbell making a play. So yeah, lets blame the one guy on the team who has shown some improvement. Or we could look around at the other skill positions and wonder when they're going to start pulling their own weight. I blame Moss, Portis, and Heyer for letting the d-end come around and hit Jason at the top of his five step drop.[/QUOTE]

Well said (except for singling out Heyer--he deserves a break almost as much as Jason does).

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[QUOTE=chrisl4064;382983]Definately a problem, every game, and usually by santana, or randle el, or portis, the guys we should be relying on to get us the wins.[/QUOTE]

Yup. If the season were to end today, the most memorable image of Santana Moss this season would be the bomb Campbell threw to him in Green Bay that HIT HIM IN HIS DAMN FACE MASK at Green Bay's 10 yard line. It was, of course, shortly thereafter that Moss took himself out of the game. Yeah, a real pro. It's amazing Campbell is actually making progress considering the cast surrounding him.

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Hopefully the figures line up correctly below. Guess who each group of stat lines belong to?

[B]G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT[/B]

11 | 155 293 52.9 1749 6.0 9 18
15 | 226 399 56.6 2579 6.5 11 18

7 | 110 207 53.1 1297 6.3 10 6
11 | 219 364 60.2 2384 6.4 22 16


Top - Troy Aikman in his first 26 games.
Bottom - JC in his first 18.

Draw your own conclusions. I was going to say the JC is playing like any 2nd year QB. But he is actually playing a little better. His decision-making needs to improve in the red zone; but this can be the fallout of so much being placed on his shoulders.

Soley resoponsible for the loss to the Bucs? No.

Two veterans combining for three lost fumbles. All leading to points, two inside their own 20-yard line. If you're a finger pointing type...

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[quote=dgack;382551]I do want to say that I don't think he should get a free pass. He made some bad decisions and it's cost him two games. But a lot of young QB's make bad decisions, and most of the time bad decisions by young QB's are death by a thousand papercuts, to the point where your team just flat out gets killed.

Jason's mistakes have cost the team games, but only after his *good* decisions gave the team a chance to win them in the first place.[/quote]
Good play is just fine if you don't wast it on a couple of bad plays. If a QB throws 10 great passes to lead a team down field then throws a pick on the last play then those 10 other passes were wasted. The problem I see is that he keeps repeating the same mistake and not learing from them.