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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;385733]Somebody tried to get into the safe? I didn't know that. Are you certain, or is it speculation?[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure I saw it in one of the hundreds of articles I've read (like we all have) since Monday. I tried to find a reference, but entering "safe" does not return many good hits as Taylor was a [B]safe[/B]ty.

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[QUOTE=courtney07;385737]Don't forget the other scenario that's been circulating.. that the shooter had intention for Sean, but not intentions to kill.. just to injure him beyond repair for ever playing football again.[/QUOTE]

Yes, nothing should be ruled out.

*edit - Quite possibly the worst grammar I've ever used in a post. :)

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;385733]Somebody tried to get into the safe? I didn't know that. Are you certain, or is it speculation?[/QUOTE]

it was in a couple articles.
Here's one quote for you:
"According to our Herald reporters and police records, someone also broke into Taylor's house between 7 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 17 and midnight Sunday Nov. 18, by prying open a front window. No one was home at the time. The burglar entered several rooms in the house, rifled through drawers, and a safe in Taylor's bedroom. The police report says it was ''unknown'' whether anything was taken. In that incident, someone left a kitchen knife on a bed in Taylor's house, according to the police report."

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;385742]Yes, nothing should not be ruled out.[/QUOTE]

And no matter what the true cause, the number one thing to pray for is that the man behind the gun is caught.

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There is way too much speculation going on at this point. Good thing O.J. was in jail for this cause im sure his name would have been thrown into the mix (jk). The fact is someone broke into the house two sundays in a row, they probably didint find what they were looking for the first time (either sean or property), so they went back. The fact that he was at the house was pretty random (he was supposed to be in DC). Im sure that whomever did this will be dealt with one way or the other, and we probably wont know what happened.

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[quote=courtney07;385743]it was in a couple articles.
Here's one quote for you:
"According to our Herald reporters and police records, someone also broke into Taylor's house between 7 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 17 and midnight Sunday Nov. 18, by prying open a front window. No one was home at the time. The burglar entered several rooms in the house, rifled through drawers, and a safe in Taylor's bedroom. The police report says it was ''unknown'' whether anything was taken. In that incident, someone left a kitchen knife on a bed in Taylor's house, according to the police report."[/quote]
That says that they went through his safe which would tell me that it was open and empty or had nothing of any value.

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I don't think this was a random burglary because if you broke into houses with the intent of just stealing goods it just doesn't make sense that you target the same house twice in the matter of 8 days. Also a common thief is not going to be that sloppy and leave a knife on the pillow of a bed - that right there spells intent to harm.

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i,m no dick tracy but there,s more to it than just breaking in ...
so far the knife on the bed would let me on to beleive they would be back from 8 days previously. somebody knows something and they aint talking...for me i hope it comes to the surface with those who are involved and i,m sure it was more than one involved and i wouldn,t put it past the GF either.

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I hate to say this, and here is my theory.

No disrespect at all but... here goes.

Jackie has been having an affair with the suspect, and Sean came home early... or something (shot next to private area)

It seems funny how she said he was shot in the bedroom, and then CP said it was outside the bedroom, and if your boyfriend is STILL IN THE BEDROOM AND GOT SHOT, wouldn't you look to see who it was? I mean, covers or not, I would have looked. Too fishy to me.

Even funnier, if we could see what clothing he was in when he was shot, we might be able to know. He came home early, and dude had a gun, or maybe it was Jackie's ex boyfriend, IE the shot next to his nuts....


Last scenario, when the door was busted down, ST might have hit his arm..... like if you barrell into a room and try to shoot someone, you are probably pointing at his chest or head, but then ST hit his arm real fast while firing. Those are just some of my opinions. It was DEFENITELY someone he knew. No question.

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You're assuming the suspect was a great shot. Just because Taylor was shot near the groin doesn't mean that was the intent.

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[QUOTE=XXVI;385830]I hate to say this, and here is my theory.

No disrespect at all but... here goes.

Jackie has been having an affair with the suspect, and Sean came home early... or something (shot next to private area)

It seems funny how she said he was shot in the bedroom, and then CP said it was outside the bedroom, and if your boyfriend is STILL IN THE BEDROOM AND GOT SHOT, wouldn't you look to see who it was? I mean, covers or not, I would have looked. Too fishy to me.

Even funnier, if we could see what clothing he was in when he was shot, we might be able to know. He came home early, and dude had a gun, or maybe it was Jackie's ex boyfriend, IE the shot next to his nuts....


Last scenario, when the door was busted down, ST might have hit his arm..... like if you barrell into a room and try to shoot someone, you are probably pointing at his chest or head, but then ST hit his arm real fast while firing. Those are just some of my opinions. It was DEFENITELY someone he knew. No question.[/QUOTE]

It wouldnt be the first time a spouse or gf was somehow involved in something like this. I'm sure the cops have questioned her extensively.

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[quote=XXVI;385830]I hate to say this, and here is my theory.
No disrespect at all but... here goes.
Jackie has been having an affair with the suspect, and Sean came home early... or something (shot next to private area)[/quote]

I stopped reading after this. There are a few people in the world that don't have to worry about their girl cheating on them and Sean Taylor was one of them. Nobody is that crazy.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;385839]I stopped reading after this. There are a few people in the world that don't have to worry about their girl cheating on them and Sean Taylor was one of them. Nobody is that crazy.[/QUOTE]

You know this how?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;385835]You're assuming the suspect was a great shot. Just because Taylor was shot near the groin doesn't mean that was the intent.[/QUOTE]


I tried to make this same point numerous times in this thread. Deaf ears...

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[quote=irish;385850]You know this how?[/quote]

Uhhhh because Sean Taylor was a bad man and nobody would be crazy enough to mess with his girl. People take stuff a little too literally around here sometimes.

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[QUOTE=XXVI;385830]I hate to say this, and here is my theory.

No disrespect at all but... here goes.

Jackie has been having an affair with the suspect, and Sean came home early... or something (shot next to private area)

It seems funny how she said he was shot in the bedroom, and then CP said it was outside the bedroom, and if your boyfriend is STILL IN THE BEDROOM AND GOT SHOT, wouldn't you look to see who it was? I mean, covers or not, I would have looked. Too fishy to me.

Even funnier, if we could see what clothing he was in when he was shot, we might be able to know. He came home early, and dude had a gun, or maybe it was Jackie's ex boyfriend, IE the shot next to his nuts....


Last scenario, when the door was busted down, ST might have hit his arm..... like if you barrell into a room and try to shoot someone, you are probably pointing at his chest or head, but then ST hit his arm real fast while firing. Those are just some of my opinions. It was DEFENITELY someone he knew. No question.[/QUOTE]

You're making an awfully big speculation. I don't think I see any of it falling into place; except the girlfriend *does* need to be questioned more because why did she have so much trouble dialing for help [15 minutes while your man's on the floor bleeding to death?!] and she had to have seen something to give the cops some sort of little detail as to what the shooter looked like... she was in the same room!!

But the whole cheating scenario, shot near the groin thing... it just doesn't do it for me. I don't think he caught her cheating on him, and I definitely don't think that the shooter had that particular area in his aim.

In conclusion, nice fabrication and vision of that fateful night, but I'm not buying into this one.

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CNN is [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/29/taylor/index.html"]reporting[/URL] that "Lt. Nancy Perez with the Miami-Dade Police Department said investigators were looking for an "unknown suspect." What the hell does that mean? Does that mean that they are looking for evidence which will lead them to identify and locate a person? Or does it mean that they have already identified someone, whose identity has not been revealed to the press?

This same spokeswoman gave misleading statements the other day. Aren't spokespersons supposed to be articulate?

BTW, I personally don't like the speculation about Taylor's wife. This poor woman lost her fiance and the father of her child, yet people are willing to pin the blame on her without any real support?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;385890]CNN is [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/29/taylor/index.html"]reporting[/URL] that "Lt. Nancy Perez with the Miami-Dade Police Department said investigators were looking for an "unknown suspect." What the hell does that mean? Does that mean that they are looking for evidence which will lead them to identify and locate a person? Or does it mean that they have already identified someone, whose identity has not been revealed to the press?

This same spokeswoman gave misleading statements the other day. Aren't spokespersons supposed to be articulate?

BTW, I personally don't like the speculation about Taylor's wife. This poor woman lost her fiance and the father of her child, yet people are willing to pin the blame on her without any real support?[/QUOTE]

I agree; there's a chance that yes she could have been involved, but that's a very HUGE speculation and people should keep hush about things like that out of respect for the Taylor family in their time of mourning.

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Truth is, you guys know nothing about what really happened and all this wild speculation leaves me feeling sick to the stomach.

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Well, at least there's some positive news...

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[quote=davy;385906]Truth is, you guys know nothing about what really happened and all this wild speculation leaves me feeling sick to the stomach.[/quote]

We are certainly not trying to offend you...and most of the stuff written has to be somewhat speculative in nature because so few facts have been revealed thus far...trying to determine what happened helps people cope with suddenness of his death. if you can't understand that (which is your prerogative), you always have the option of not reading it...that's why its called the "ST Murder Investigation Thread"

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No matter what happened, it was such a senseless loss of life... i'm still in disbelief. I'm not gonna be able to handle the game. I teared up tonight during the moment of silence at the dallas game. I saw a picture of his daughter today... such a sad sad story.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;385614] Unlike the movies, no one shoots anyone to wound. Especially when that someone is a two hundred plus pound, 6'2" world class athlete with a machete. [/quote]


That is some scary sounding shit. I would run....fast.

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The Post had the best article I've seen on this topic in this morning's paper: [url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url]

As you can tell from the idiotic comments that people have left on the website, people cannot accept the possibility that this crime was really a burgulary gone wrong. Perhaps we'll find out something later, but right now this article makes quite a bit of sense. I love how everyone puts on their detective hats and starts saying "oh, he had a machete under the bed, that is so crazy, he must have known something was going to happen, I've seen that in a movie once." Well, in subtropical climates a machete is a really common gardening tool and you can get it at any hardware store. I have a baseball bat under my bed and there's no one 'gunning' for me.

Or "oh, a knife was left on the bed, so that was clearly a mafia style message, I've seen that in a movie once." Well, a better explanation would be that it was a kitchen knife and was used as a tool to pry open a window and to try to get into a safe as the article postulates.

Or, "they kicked in the door, clearly this was a hit, I've seen it in a movie once. Plus, no one knew he was going to be home so clearly the hit man was staking out the property." Well, perhaps a much better explanation is that the criminals did not expect to find anyone in the house, they kicked in the door to find a safe, and then pissed down their leg when they saw someone in the room with a machete. They poped off two shots and ran, unfortunately they were fatal, but that wasn't the intent.

Or, the worst one of all, which I've actually now heard a couple of times, "he was shot in the groin, clearly this is something to do with retribution from someone Jackie was having an affair with, I've seen it in a movie once." Or, most people don't know how to properly handle a firearm, these criminals had seen 'Scarface' and thought violence was stylized but when when reality came in all they could do was pop off a few blind shots and run.

Rush to judgement off information that you've never seen and off reports that are contradictory. The really horrible part is that if this really as a random (random in that they were not intending to murder Sean Taylor, just try to get at the safe), then the odds of actually catching these individuals will decline. And people like Colin Cowherd and Mike 'from the streets' Wilbon still won't be satisfied.

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Holy god it just came to me....


If I'm right about this, I'm not sorry, but if I'm not, please forgive me for saying this.

Jackie maybe was lookin' for a way out... possibly was tired of the NFL lifestyle Sean was living.... I dunno... people with Social Anxiety Disorder sometime are like that (iE: Ricky Williams)... jealousy whatever I dunno... some people could just be stupid... anyway, what if she turned the alarm off after he went to bed, and planned this whole thing???? WOW thats kinda scary... first the phone lines were cut, then they werent.... then there at first was NO security system, but now there is it just wasn't turned on? LOL something seriously fishy is not formulating in my head, but no disrespect. Just speculation. CP said he left the bedroom, Jackie said he got shot IN the room... it just doesn't add up. 900,000 without a doubt is watched by adt or has SOME kind of security system.... probably well before ST bought it. I hope I'm not right, but it's just pieces from everyone else.

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[quote=XXVI;386060]Holy god it just came to me....


If I'm right about this, I'm not sorry, but if I'm not, please forgive me for saying this.

Jackie maybe was lookin' for a way out... possibly was tired of the NFL lifestyle Sean was living.... I dunno... people with Social Anxiety Disorder sometime are like that (iE: Ricky Williams)... jealousy whatever I dunno... some people could just be stupid... anyway, what if she turned the alarm off after he went to bed, and planned this whole thing???? WOW thats kinda scary... first the phone lines were cut, then they werent.... then there at first was NO security system, but now there is it just wasn't turned on? LOL something seriously fishy is not formulating in my head, but no disrespect. Just speculation. CP said he left the bedroom, Jackie said he got shot IN the room... it just doesn't add up. 900,000 without a doubt is watched by adt or has SOME kind of security system.... probably well before ST bought it. I hope I'm not right, but it's just pieces from everyone else.[/quote]

The only person with a mental disorder is you.

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This thread is getting out of hand

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[quote=SmootSmack;386063]This thread is getting out of hand[/quote]

Can you please shut it down? It is a disgrace. If you want to post idiotic conspiracy 'theories' then go somewhere else.

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I'm going to let this thread go on and expect that it will get back on track.

Personally, I think the rumor I heard on Monday, that it was a crazed fan (possibly after memorabilia), may not be too far off.

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Just some things to think about...

[QUOTE]
Most of the theorizing, family and friends said, has been uninformed. Even they admit they haven't received much information from Miami-Dade police.

"Some think he was targeted, some think he wasn't," said Donald Walker, a close friend of Junor who accompanied her to the site of the funeral Thursday. "People like to talk about what they don't know."[/QUOTE]

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"People like to talk about what they don't know."

thats exactly right, and precisely what people are doing...which, in my mind, is fine...

nobody is really giving any credence to outlandish mafia stories, its sort of well...this seems odd...

it is very possible it was completely random, but most things are not- as such we have to take the good with the bad...many people have brought up solid points in this thread, while others are pure conjecture...what do you expect? everyone is a jr sleuth (including me- and a bad one at that). As I've said before, talking about the "case" helps me deal with it, and I imagine I'm not the only one. I certainly hope I'm not offending anyone, but again, if you are offended by the topic, don't read it- as you must know a degree (large?) of speculation will be taking place...

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I went back and read the entire thread, and I think you're right to let it go on. It is a bit frustrating that the Board is inundated with so many new members, some of whom don't seem to have much of substance to say as of yet.

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I like reading everyone's speculation and theories. I dont care how crazy the theory I think it should be heard. We are fans speculating on a message board so anything we say (right or wrong) doesnt matter one bit. The only people that cant speculate are the cops. They have to work with the facts they have so let them do the real crime work and let us speculate because what we think doent matter.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;386059]The Post had the best article I've seen on this topic in this morning's paper: [URL="http://washingtonpost.com"]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/URL]

As you can tell from the idiotic comments that people have left on the website, people cannot accept the possibility that this crime was really a burgulary gone wrong. Perhaps we'll find out something later, but right now this article makes quite a bit of sense. I love how everyone puts on their detective hats and starts saying "oh, he had a machete under the bed, that is so crazy, he must have known something was going to happen, I've seen that in a movie once." Well, in subtropical climates a machete is a really common gardening tool and you can get it at any hardware store. I have a baseball bat under my bed and there's no one 'gunning' for me.

Or "oh, a knife was left on the bed, so that was clearly a mafia style message, I've seen that in a movie once." Well, a better explanation would be that it was a kitchen knife and was used as a tool to pry open a window and to try to get into a safe as the article postulates.

Or, "they kicked in the door, clearly this was a hit, I've seen it in a movie once. Plus, no one knew he was going to be home so clearly the hit man was staking out the property." Well, perhaps a much better explanation is that the criminals did not expect to find anyone in the house, they kicked in the door to find a safe, and then pissed down their leg when they saw someone in the room with a machete. They poped off two shots and ran, unfortunately they were fatal, but that wasn't the intent.

Or, the worst one of all, which I've actually now heard a couple of times, "he was shot in the groin, clearly this is something to do with retribution from someone Jackie was having an affair with, I've seen it in a movie once." Or, most people don't know how to properly handle a firearm, these criminals had seen 'Scarface' and thought violence was stylized but when when reality came in all they could do was pop off a few blind shots and run.

Rush to judgement off information that you've never seen and off reports that are contradictory. The really horrible part is that if this really as a random (random in that they were not intending to murder Sean Taylor, just try to get at the safe), then the odds of actually catching these individuals will decline. And people like Colin Cowherd and Mike 'from the streets' Wilbon still won't be satisfied.[/quote]

I agree. Good article that makes it seem like this could have really been random.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;385890]CNN is [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/29/taylor/index.html"]reporting[/URL] that "Lt. Nancy Perez with the Miami-Dade Police Department said investigators were looking for an "unknown suspect." What the hell does that mean? Does that mean that they are looking for evidence which will lead them to identify and locate a person? Or does it mean that they have already identified someone, whose identity has not been revealed to the press?

This same spokeswoman gave misleading statements the other day. Aren't spokespersons supposed to be articulate?

BTW, I personally don't like the speculation about Taylor's wife. This poor woman lost her fiance and the father of her child, yet people are willing to pin the blame on her without any real support?[/quote]
I'm all for the fact that the police are not giving into the preasure of the press and giving out any of the info they may have. We just had an arrest here in my area where the police kept saying that they had no info and did not have any clues to who the killer was in this case. The very next day they arrested the killer and explained that they held th info from the public so they did not tip off the suspect. So its very hard to tell what the police even have at this time.

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Don't have a link but just reported that 3 men have been detained for questioning in Miami per Redskins Radio reportedly from the miami herald.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;386140]Don't have a link but just reported that 3 men have been detained for questioning in Miami per Redskins Radio reportedly from the miami herald.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.miamiherald.com/854/story/326903.html]3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide - 11/30/2007 - MiamiHerald.com[/url]

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[url=http://www.miamiherald.com/854/story/326894.html]3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide - 11/30/2007 - MiamiHerald.com[/url]

3 men have been brought in for questioning. Hopefully this leads somewhere.

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This is great news. From what Fox News (:doh:) just said, it looks like it was an attempted burglary...

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I so hope that ultimately those responsible are [B][I][U]NOT [/U][/I][/B]from ST's past and people will honor his time here with us instead of continually dredging up his previous relationships.