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[QUOTE=irish;387458]I'm sorry that you live in the past. I don't and if that makes me a "what have you done for me lately" guy then I am guilty as charged. I want to win now not relive the glory years from 15+ years ago.[/QUOTE]

And I am sorry that you have no sense of gratitude. For the sake of the board, I'm done with this dialogue.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387452]Gibbs II certainly hasn't worked out the way most of us thought it would. But why is it exactly that the Gibbs haters are so quick to dismiss the 2005 season? I've heard people dismiss the 2005 season because we played banged-up teams. But then those very same people dismiss our injuries as irrelevant excuses. So excuses are fine when they are used against us and are unacceptable when used for us? You can say Gibbs II isn't a success, but to say we have done nothing is simply wrong.[/quote]

The stretch run in 2005 was a lot of fun, but the fact remains that we started 5-6 and needed lightning in a bottle to make the playoffs. Yes we made it, but our offense had all the issues it still does today.

The frustrating thing is we've had the same problems year in and year out during Gibbs 2.0. Turnovers, clock mismanagement, big issues with fundamentals, allowing big plays on D, blowing leads in the 2nd half, etc, etc. I know we've had some bad luck with injuries, but when the all little things don't get any better week in and week out, year in and year out, it becomes maddening.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;387428]It was drunken rage. You know how alcohol makes people moody. :doh:[/quote]
It's not the alcohol. I'm convinced most of our fanbase is bi-polar. Redskins fans should be issued a prescription for prozac with every jersey purchase.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387463]And I am sorry that you have no sense of gratitude. For the sake of the board, I'm done with this dialogue.[/QUOTE]

I thought I said I was glad Gibbs won those SBs back in the day. I am grateful but Gibbs aint doing it and like a previous poster said, to keep an unsuccessful coach on indefinitely because of what he did 15 years ago just makes no sense.

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[QUOTE=irish;387421]If this was any other coach I really think he'd be fired but its Gibbs so he wont.

It was stunning to hear the "Joe must go!" chants at the beginning of Post Game live. Who would have imagined Gibbs et al would be such a disaster? Not me thats for sure.[/QUOTE]


And of all weeks to chant this!!!!

Sorry, not EVER could those words leave my lips. Yes, I'm fustrated, but I am loyal to the end. I've been to the promised land of SBs 17,22 and 26.

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[QUOTE=irish;387471]I thought I said I was glad Gibbs won those SBs back in the day. I am grateful but Gibbs aint doing it and like a previous poster said, to keep an unsuccessful coach on indefinitely because of what he did 15 years ago just makes no sense.[/QUOTE]


That's fine. But to chant (i can't even write it) is stupid.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;387464]The stretch run in 2005 was a lot of fun, but the fact remains that we started 5-6 and needed lightning in a bottle to make the playoffs. Yes we made it, but our offense had all the issues it still does today.

The frustrating thing is we've had the same problems year in and year out during Gibbs 2.0. Turnovers, clock mismanagement, big issues with fundamentals, allowing big plays on D, blowing leads in the 2nd half, etc, etc. I know we've had some bad luck with injuries, but when the all little things don't get any better week in and week out, year in and year out, it becomes maddening.[/QUOTE]

It definitely does become maddening. And Gibbs' mistake today was awful....a rookie mistake that no HoF coach should make. I pounded me fist on the bar and spilt beer when he called it. I told my girlfriend that I knew that rule from madden. A guy who is paid millions of dollars can't make that mistake.

I am still convinced that our struggles in Gibbs II, and for the past decade, stem from the lack of a quality QB. JC looks promising, but his turnovers at inopportune times have been fatal to our season. I am convinced that as JC gets more experience, he will play better football and so will our team. And our future success will have a lot less to do with coaching than JC getting experience and securing the ball better.

This season, the injuries just compound JC's inexperience. The right tackle ......gone. The right guard......gone. The #1 corner.....frequently banged up. The #2 corner......gone. Sean Taylor missed the past few weeks and teams exploited our inexperienced safeties. And now, Sean has passed away. That's the right side of the line and 3/4 of the secondary, not to mention injuries to guys like Griffin, Rabach, Smoot, Washington, Daniels, ARE, Moss, and less important guys like Thrash.

I know people say, "the injury excuse gets old." I don't accept that kind of statement. Either they are tired of the injuries but accept the reality that having a large numbers of injured players really hurt our team OR they don't accept that injuries of this order really affect our play.

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It really only bothers me when people want to dismiss 2005 when those same people aren't quick to dimsiss our free agent moves in 2000 for example.

As for Gibbs, stupid mistake. He knows it, you know it, I know it. But I am not going to apologize for being a fan of his, and wanting him to stay as long as he wants to stay. In all honesty, he probably never should have come back in the first place. There's nothing he really could have done to improve his image with the fans. He had nowhere to go reputation wise but down. I believe we have the makings of a great QB who is going to lead us to great things long after Gibbs is gone. But no one will ever be appreciative of Gibbs for that.

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The skins are doing what they always do late in the fourth quarter, running out of gas and having a meltdown before losing the game, gibbs need to go back to racing I don't see any improvements at all with his coaching style, and Al Saunders is not helping matters any either, he needs to burn that so-called playbook of his, it ain't helping em win games like it should. What are they gonna do against chicago? The team motto should be Maybe Next Year!

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They were going to make the FG anyway. Their kicker is money and stroked the first one through no problem.

The game to me boiled down to another week of redzone ineffectiveness. You can't keep kicking FGs, even if we just got one TD it would have been different game.

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wrong...And guys...How many years had joe gibbs been out the league? he was never faced with this before.

U and me probably would of forgot to and btw I don't remember that ever happpening cannot call time outs back to back.......and if it was the rule then he shouldn't of been penalized they should of just been like hey you can't do that. BTW I know hs isn't the NFL and neither is college but Ive seen that done in the NCAA and in CIF play....Im calling bs till I see that rule in writing. and wasn't it a 52 yard attempt? how in the hell is a penalty ever 12 yards to make it a 30. Ive heard of 5 yards and 10 yards and 15 yards...NEVER 12! This isn't all gibbs fault and our mediocre season is not just gibbs fault.

Who's idea was it to bring in Saunders!?

I call for his head everytime I see our offense screw up I been screaming it since last year..Gibbs 2.0 DID not fail Saunders 1.0 did

Go ahead cuss me out about this...but Why is it Gibbs's offense made a 30 something year old qb look good why is it no other coach other than george allen and norv turner has had near the success that gibbs has had??

Go ahead and turn your back on Joe and bring in another steve spurrier....Im not turning my back on the old man just yet...Dan reeves had to take some time to readjust to the nfl So did Bill parcells.

And just because a team is 12-0 does not mean that they are going to win the super bowl, 11-1 doesn't mean there going to win either...I seem to recall a certain 8-8 team that plays in baltimore winning it all one year. You guys want a perfect season out of gibbs you got to remember all those times we were good we werent perfect. What was our record in 82?

Someone find me the rule that says that back to back timeouts are illegal...Please...

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[quote=SmootSmack;387485]It really only bothers me when people want to dismiss 2005 when those same people aren't quick to dimsiss our free agent moves in 2000 for example.

As for Gibbs, stupid mistake. He knows it, you know it, I know it. But I am not going to apologize for being a fan of his, and wanting him to stay as long as he wants to stay. In all honesty, he probably never should have come back in the first place. There's nothing he really could have done to improve his image with the fans. He had nowhere to go reputation wise but down. I believe we have the makings of a great QB who is going to lead us to great things long after Gibbs is gone. But no one will ever be appreciative of Gibbs for that.[/quote]

Those are all good points.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387479]It definitely does become maddening. And Gibbs' mistake today was awful....a rookie mistake that no HoF coach should make. I pounded me fist on the bar and spilt beer when he called it. I told my girlfriend that I knew that rule from madden. A guy who is paid millions of dollars can't make that mistake.

I am still convinced that our struggles in Gibbs II, and for the past decade, stem from the lack of a quality QB. JC looks promising, but his turnovers at inopportune times have been fatal to our season. I am convinced that as JC gets more experience, he will play better football and so will our team. And our future success will have a lot less to do with coaching than JC getting experience and securing the ball better.

This season, the injuries just compound JC's inexperience. The right tackle ......gone. The right guard......gone. The #1 corner.....frequently banged up. The #2 corner......gone. Sean Taylor missed the past few weeks and teams exploited our inexperienced safeties. And now, Sean has passed away. That's the right side of the line and 3/4 of the secondary, not to mention injuries to guys like Griffin, Rabach, Smoot, Washington, Daniels, ARE, Moss, and less important guys like Thrash.

I know people say, "the injury excuse gets old." I don't accept that kind of statement. Either they are tired of the injuries but accept the reality that having a large numbers of injured players really hurt our team OR they don't accept that injuries of this order really affect our play.[/quote]
WOah woah woah...I do that on madden and don't get penalized.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;387489]They were going to make the FG anyway. Their kicker is money and stroked the first one through no problem.

The game to me boiled down to another week of redzone ineffectiveness. You can't keep kicking FGs, even if we just got one TD it would have been different game.[/QUOTE]

You are right, he was making that 51 yd FG or any other length. It was another week of red zone ineffectiveness but dont forget that once again with the game on the line and the D needing to hold they once again blow it. The O put the D in position to secure the W and they dont do it.

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[QUOTE=pg86;387490]wrong...And guys...How many years had joe gibbs been out the league? he was never faced with this before.

U and me probably would of forgot to and btw I don't remember that ever happpening cannot call time outs back to back.......and if it was the rule then he shouldn't of been penalized they should of just been like hey you can't do that. BTW I know hs isn't the NFL and neither is college but Ive seen that done in the NCAA and in CIF play....Im calling bs till I see that rule in writing. and wasn't it a 52 yard attempt? how in the hell is a penalty ever 12 yards to make it a 30. Ive heard of 5 yards and 10 yards and 15 yards...NEVER 12! This isn't all gibbs fault and our mediocre season is not just gibbs fault.

Who's idea was it to bring in Saunders!?

I call for his head everytime I see our offense screw up I been screaming it since last year..Gibbs 2.0 DID not fail Saunders 1.0 did

Go ahead cuss me out about this...but Why is it Gibbs's offense made a 30 something year old qb look good why is it no other coach other than george allen and norv turner has had near the success that gibbs has had??

Go ahead and turn your back on Joe and bring in another steve spurrier....Im not turning my back on the old man just yet...Dan reeves had to take some time to readjust to the nfl So did Bill parcells.

And just because a team is 12-0 does not mean that they are going to win the super bowl, 11-1 doesn't mean there going to win either...I seem to recall a certain 8-8 team that plays in baltimore winning it all one year. You guys want a perfect season out of gibbs you got to remember all those times we were good we werent perfect. What was our record in 82?

Someone find me the rule that says that back to back timeouts are illegal...Please...[/QUOTE]

It was Gibbs idea to bring in Saunders.

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It seems like anytime an opponent needs a big play with the game on the line the D gives it up. But then again I can't get too upset with them, the offense should have put this game away in the first half.

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[quote=SmootSmack;387485]It really only bothers me when people want to dismiss 2005 when those same people aren't quick to dimsiss our free agent moves in 2000 for example.

As for Gibbs, stupid mistake. He knows it, you know it, I know it. But I am not going to apologize for being a fan of his, and wanting him to stay as long as he wants to stay. In all honesty, he probably never should have come back in the first place. There's nothing he really could have done to improve his image with the fans. He had nowhere to go reputation wise but down. I believe we have the makings of a great QB who is going to lead us to great things long after Gibbs is gone. But no one will ever be appreciative of Gibbs for that.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, I'm really not trying to discount what we did in 2005. It was awesome. Portis, our O-line, and guys like Sean Taylor led us down an awesome stretch run. I love that Gibbs listened to the call of Portis and the O-line to put it on their shoulders. It was the best time I've had as an adult Skins fan. (I was 12 when we won our 3rd SuperBowl).

I don't like Joe Gibbs any less because of this second tenure. He got our owner to stop meddling, got us some great players including a franchise QB, got us a playoff win, and brought stability to an organization that was in disarray. But for a myriad of reasons it just hasn't really come together on the field. It's unfortunate because he's a great man and a great coach, but as far as wins vs losses it just hasn't worked out.

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[QUOTE=pg86;387492]WOah woah woah...I do that on madden and don't get penalized.[/QUOTE]

Unless you have a different version of Madden than I do, you can't. Try to call 2 consecutive timeouts. Amazingly, I didn't know of the rule until I played Madden. I was playing Madden, had called a timeout, then called the wrong play and tried to use my other timeout, Madden wouldn't let me, I was pissed, and looked up the rule.

As you may not know, I am a big Gibbs supporter, but that was a bad, bad call.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;387501]It seems like anytime an opponent needs a big play with the game on the line the D gives it up. But then again I can't get too upset with them, the offense should have put this game away in the first half.[/QUOTE]

I agree the O should have put this game away in the 1st half but going into this season I think most thought having essentially a rookie QB would make the O a bit suspect but the D would be great. IMO that meant the D had to do the heavy lifting and often cover for the O. So far they havent done that. In a lot of ways I blame the D more for this loss and most of the losses this season because they were expected to be the reliable aspect of this team and they have not lived up to that expectation.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387528]Unless you have a different version of Madden than I do, you can't. Try to call 2 consecutive timeouts. Amazingly, I didn't know of the rule until I played Madden. I was playing Madden, had called a timeout, then called the wrong play and tried to use my other timeout, Madden wouldn't let me, I was pissed, and looked up the rule.

As you may not know, I am a big Gibbs supporter, but that was a bad, bad call.[/quote]

On a side note it's pretty funny that my use of the word "maddening" has sparked a Madden conversation.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387528]Unless you have a different version of Madden than I do, you can't. Try to call 2 consecutive timeouts. Amazingly, I didn't know of the rule until I played Madden. I was playing Madden, had called a timeout, then called the wrong play and tried to use my other timeout, Madden wouldn't let me, I was pissed, and looked up the rule.

As you may not know, I am a big Gibbs supporter, but that was a bad, bad call.[/quote]
Ok but the penalty.
Whats the penalty for it on madden? Or in the rule book?

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[QUOTE=irish;387531]I agree the O should have put this game away in the 1st half but going into this season I think most thought having essentially a rookie QB would make the O a bit suspect but the D would be great. IMO that meant the D had to do the heavy lifting and often cover for the O. So far they havent done that. In a lot of ways I blame the D more for this loss and most of the losses this season because they were expected to be the reliable aspect of this team and they have not lived up to that expectation.[/QUOTE]

Good perspective. My expectations for the offense were pretty low coming into the season and my expectations for the defense were pretty high. The defense has played pretty well despite key losses, but they haven't been dominant like they were in 2004. I do think, however, my expectations for the offense have increased with JC's progress. I guess the O will just have to grow with him. The O-line needs to protect JC better, but he can't keep making mistakes at critical points in the game.

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[QUOTE=pg86;387534]Ok but the penalty.
Whats the penalty for it on madden? Or in the rule book?[/QUOTE]

There is no penalty in Madden. I think it was added a few years ago by the competition committee in response to complaints about trying to ice the kicker "too much." Sorry, I don't have a link.

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Look, it is obviously a rule and I have known for a few years that you can't call 2 timeouts on one play. I don't really know where I stand on the rule, I do see the pros and cons. Either way though the refs made the right call and I don't know who took the timeout but they made a boneheaded move. End of story.

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If this was ANY other coach that did this, there wouldn't be a supporter on the board making excuses for him. Guys, this is the NFL. You are paid MILLIONS not to make mistakes like this.. (From J. La's blog) Publicly, his players said they were to blame for not making more plays; privately, many veterans fumed and looked at it as another egregious error by Gibbs in a season full of them.

"Come on man, this is the NFL," one veteran said. "What coach don't know the rules?"

When he's on the verge of losing the locker-room for his continued ineptitude don't be singing Gibbs 1.0 and 2005.. 2008 is around the corner, let's get real around here..

You are paid MILLIONS to win games you're supposed to win.. Losing 5 (5!!!!!!!!!!!!!) games with a 2nd half lead this season is completely inexcusable.. For all of the excuses people want to make about execution, the offense should have done this or that, the buck stops at the top!! 1-2 games getting away, it happens.. 3 games, bad luck.. 5 games and 15 in 4 years, inexcusable!!! Anyone who can't see that is either blind or consciously chooses not to see it..

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;387837]If this was ANY other coach that did this, there wouldn't be a supporter on the board making excuses for him. Guys, this is the NFL. You are paid MILLIONS not to make mistakes like this.. (From J. La's blog) Publicly, his players said they were to blame for not making more plays; privately, many veterans fumed and looked at it as another egregious error by Gibbs in a season full of them.

"Come on man, this is the NFL," one veteran said. "What coach don't know the rules?"

When he's on the verge of losing the locker-room for his continued ineptitude don't be singing Gibbs 1.0 and 2005.. 2008 is around the corner, let's get real around here..

You are paid MILLIONS to win games you're supposed to win.. Losing 5 (5!!!!!!!!!!!!!) games with a 2nd half lead this season is completely inexcusable.. For all of the excuses people want to make about execution, the offense should have done this or that, the buck stops at the top!! 1-2 games getting away, it happens.. 3 games, bad luck.. 5 games and 15 in 4 years, inexcusable!!! Anyone who can't see that is either blind or consciously chooses not to see it..[/QUOTE]

I will agree to disagree. I don't understand how the players (the veteran, million dollar players that should know the fundamentals of the game) are constantly let off the hook.

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If Gibbs didn't know the rule...what aboy 60+ playeys, Coaches and staff?

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[quote=Paintrain;387837]If this was ANY other coach that did this, there wouldn't be a supporter on the board making excuses for him. Guys, this is the NFL. You are paid MILLIONS not to make mistakes like this.. (From J. La's blog) Publicly, his players said they were to blame for not making more plays; privately, many veterans fumed and looked at it as another egregious error by Gibbs in a season full of them.

"Come on man, this is the NFL," one veteran said. "What coach don't know the rules?"

When he's on the verge of losing the locker-room for his continued ineptitude don't be singing Gibbs 1.0 and 2005.. 2008 is around the corner, let's get real around here..

You are paid MILLIONS to win games you're supposed to win.. Losing 5 (5!!!!!!!!!!!!!) games with a 2nd half lead this season is completely inexcusable.. For all of the excuses people want to make about execution, the offense should have done this or that, the buck stops at the top!! 1-2 games getting away, it happens.. 3 games, bad luck.. 5 games and 15 in 4 years, inexcusable!!! Anyone who can't see that is either blind or consciously chooses not to see it..[/quote]Can you imagine Snyder being tolerant if it was Norv Turner botching timeouts and blowing leads? As Vince Lombardi famously said, "Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." This team has an amazing habit of losing that I don't know how they break. I'd like to see the team put together much stronger D and O lines as a start. Those were constants during Gibss's first tenure.

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I gotta say, I was on the Gibbs to victory train, but he is really disappointing me, and that call was pissing me off. I'm not going to say it's common knowledge, but my wife called the penalty. I had a look of disbelief on my face (jaw open and everything) and she said, "wait, isn't that a 15 yard penalty", I quietly said yes. After the ref called it, I lost it, I yelled at the TV and yelled at Gibbs (like he heard me). I called him an overpaid piece of shit, and went on to say that a 2 year old knows not to call two time outs bac to back, but a 5 million dollar hall of fame coach doesn't? Granted I was being a little harsh, so maybe it's more like a 6 year old, but holy crap...I just can't get over that call and it reminds me of Chris Webber when he was at Michigan.

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[quote=SmootSmack;387843]I will agree to disagree. I don't understand how the players (the veteran, million dollar players that should know the fundamentals of the game) are constantly let off the hook.[/quote]

This is where I think there's kind of mix of blame. Because of course the players are responsible for going out and executing the plays. And often times they struggle with fundamentals. And that's their fault. But Gibbs picks these players, and coaches them, and ultimately the buck stops with him. He even says so himself.

There have been plenty of games where if we don't drop the ball or fumble here, we don't settle for a field goal there, and hey, we would have won. But when the same mix of problems plague a team for nearly 4 full seasons, I think unfortunately we have to label it as a pattern. And the bottom line is Gibbs is the head guy both on the field and in the front office, regardless of whether or not he is completely to blame.

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[quote=jsarno;387860]I gotta say, I was on the Gibbs to victory train, but he is really disappointing me, and that call was pissing me off. I'm not going to say it's common knowledge, but my wife called the penalty. I had a look of disbelief on my face (jaw open and everything) and she said, "wait, isn't that a 15 yard penalty", I quietly said yes. After the ref called it, I lost it, I yelled at the TV and yelled at Gibbs (like he heard me). I called him an overpaid piece of shit, and went on to say that a 2 year old knows not to call two time outs bac to back, but a 5 million dollar hall of fame coach doesn't? Granted I was being a little harsh, so maybe it's more like a 6 year old, but holy crap...I just can't get over that call and [B]it reminds me of Chris Webber when he was at Michigan[/B].[/quote]Michigan didn't pay Webber nearly as well as Gibbs, but I'm sure he didn't make out too badly either ;-)

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I can't imagine what Gibbs must be going through right now. He's asked to guide the team all week, an extraorindarily difficult day, and then it all slips away on a mental gaffe of Gibbs.

It's a real shame. I hope they can all bounce back next week. But Gibbs must know that he can't do anything good. He obviously can't go out and make a play on the field. If it's a great playcall, credit goes to Saunders. He himself is in an unwinnable situation. Has been since the day he walked back into Redskins Park in 2004.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;387863]This is where I think there's kind of mix of blame. Because of course the players are responsible for going out and executing the plays. And often times they struggle with fundamentals. And that's their fault. But Gibbs picks these players, and coaches them, and ultimately the buck stops with him. He even says so himself.

There have been plenty of games where if we don't drop the ball or fumble here, we don't settle for a field goal there, and hey, we would have won. But when the same mix of problems plague a team for nearly 4 full seasons, I think unfortunately we have to label it as a pattern. And the bottom line is Gibbs is the head guy both on the field and in the front office, regardless of whether or not he is completely to blame.[/QUOTE]

For as much as I hate to agree with those comments, I have no choice BUT to agree. I hate to admit it, but sometimes you have to.

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One call or play never wins or loses a game. The defense gave up a terrible play over the middle to let Buff get in FG range. But I can't blame the defense. They gave up 15 points. That sould be good enough to beat a team starting a rookie qb w/ a no name rb.

I give the team a pass. I mean it's just not fair to judge this team anymore with everything that's going on. Honestly, I just want the season to end.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;387866]Michigan didn't pay Webber nearly as well as Gibbs, but I'm sure he didn't make out too badly either ;-)[/QUOTE]

LOL. Yeah, very true.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387868]I can't imagine what Gibbs must be going through right now. He's asked to guide the team all week, an extraorindarily difficult day, and then it all slips away on a mental gaffe of Gibbs.

It's a real shame. I hope they can all bounce back next week. But Gibbs must know that he can't do anything good. He obviously can't go out and make a play on the field. If it's a great playcall, credit goes to Saunders. [b]He himself is in an unwinnable situation. Has been since the day he walked back into Redskins Park in 2004.[/b][/QUOTE]

I completely disagree with this. When we were 2-0 everyone was talking about how Gibbs put the pieces together and we were headed in the right direction. When everyone was talking playoffs, they all said it was Gibbs doing. He got all the credit for wins, and more than enough credit for the losses.

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[quote=jsarno;387869]For as much as I hate to agree with those comments, I have no choice BUT to agree. I hate to admit it, but sometimes you have to.[/quote]

Yeah, trust me, it gives me so pleasure to make those comments. It just sucks. What a shitty week, what a shitty end to a shitty week. I can't believe we have to play again on Thursday. I feel so, so bad for our entire organization right now.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;387874]I completely disagree with this. When we were 2-0 everyone was talking about how Gibbs put the pieces together and we were headed in the right direction. When everyone was talking playoffs, they all said it was Gibbs doing. He got all the credit for wins, and more than enough credit for the losses.[/QUOTE]

I would hope that he'd get credit for building the team for the long term. But I just think that way way way more often than not he only gets blame when it comes to coaching in the here and now.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387881]I would hope that he'd get credit for building the team for the long term. But I just think that way way way more often than not he only gets blame when it comes to coaching in the here and now.[/QUOTE]

Well, that is true cause we're losing now. It's like any team that loses, who is the 1st scapegoat? It's always the head coach. Look at Cam Cameron in Miami, it's not really his fault he's winless, his team sucks. But he gets a lot of blame. If Gibbs wins 4 straight, it will all go away. People are just tired of losing, so Gibbs is the first to be put in front of the firing range. That's the way he wants it too.

Re: Who called the 2nd timeout?
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;387889]Well, that is true cause we're losing now. It's like any team that loses, who is the 1st scapegoat? It's always the head coach. Look at Cam Cameron in Miami, it's not really his fault he's winless, his team sucks. But he gets a lot of blame. If Gibbs wins 4 straight, it will all go away. People are just tired of losing, so Gibbs is the first to be put in front of the firing range. That's the way he wants it too.[/QUOTE]

Let me ask you this though. Had he won the game do you think we'd be praising Gibbs for keeping the team together and leading us to victory? By and large I would say no. I would say even if it had come down to a final missed field goal, we would hear about how he nearly blew it.