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[quote=theJBexperience;390505]I mentioned a few weeks back in other threads that I wanted to see if Todd Collins or Mark Brunell could execute this offense better than Jason Campbell. After last night, I got the feeling that Todd could. I noticed this about him. He gets rid of the ball way quicker than JC. On that Ladell Betts TD, there's no way JC unloads the ball that quickly and that accurately. Had he still been in, that probably would've been a sack, maybe fumble, and at best we're settling for 3. Todd Collins put the nail in the coffin, which is what we've been waiting for JC to do all season. [B]Hopefully watching TC come in and run this O like he'd been doing it all season served Campbell well[/B].[/quote]

Yep, if we keep Saunders offense in place for the future then I most definitely think this game will benefit Campell's development.

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Some people actually seem to believe that Todd Collins is the answer at quarterback for this team. What I'd like to know from those people is, if Collins is truly "Tom Brady", or "should have been the starter all season", what should Washington do as a team, going forward?

I honestly want to know how Washington build's a team around a 36 year old quarterback, that has never been good enough to start in his 10+ year career? Personally, I think he looks like an old Chad Pennington. Saying he's "accurate" is a nice way of saying he has no arm strength, and he's as about as mobile as a statue.

I'd like to hear a little more than a knee jerk "OMg!! ToDd CoLlinZZzz!!" type reaction.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;390509]Yep, if we keep Saunders offense in place for the future then I most definitely think this game will benefit Campell's development.[/quote]While Campbell has improved his decision making over last season, Collins really demonstrated how this offense can look with even quicker decision making. I was astonished at how Collins was able to easily complete passes to tight spaces with far less velocity on the ball. In the Saunders system, it's clearly about making your read, and getting the ball out of your hand quickly. Jason should study Collins's play yesterday, and try to speed up his reads/delivery.

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[quote=SouperMeister;390523]I was astonished at how Collins was able to easily complete passes to tight spaces with far less velocity on the ball. In the Saunders system, it's clearly about making your read, and getting the ball out of your hand quickly. Jason should study Collins's play yesterday, and try to speed up his reads/delivery.[/quote]

Did he really complete passes in tight spaces though? I do agree that his timing is a bit better within Saunders' system than Campbell's at the moment, but it looked like most of his passes were to wide open receiver.

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There is definitely a huge drop off in how much zip he puts on his passes compared to Campbell. He's a reliable back up and if there's any hope of making the playoffs, he's going to have to come through for us...

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[quote=Southpaw;390395]He tossed a bunch of lollipops to WIDE open receivers. He had a good game, but I'd like to see a repeat performance before I jump on his junk.[/quote]

Your wrong go back and watch the game again. :headbange

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The thing is JC is a better over all athlete, But man TC knows this offense like no other I'm hope TC will Finnish out the year as the starter so JC can see how to really run this thing.

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[quote=Bstanley;390542]Your wrong go back and watch the game again. :headbange[/quote]

The only substantial pass where the receiver wasn't wide open was to Yoder, which was a good toss. Other than that, receivers were in spaces with no one around them. Whether it's a product of the Bears terrible coverage, or Collins knowing Saunders' system remains to be seen, but the Collins backers will be in for a shock if they think the quarterback can toss meatballs around every week.

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Let me add a little of the English language to this thread...

Collins did so well because he had ALL day to throw. His line and Portis did an incredible job of protecting him. Too bad they didn't do that for Campbell though.

When he entered the game, I was scared and actually wishing Brunell was in the game instead, but Todd did well. He surprised me. Hopefully this was not a one-time deal, because with some luck we CAN still make the playoffs.

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[quote=Southpaw;390521]Some people actually seem to believe that Todd Collins is the answer at quarterback for this team. What I'd like to know from those people is, if Collins is truly "Tom Brady", or "should have been the starter all season", what should Washington do as a team, going forward?

I honestly want to know how Washington build's a team around a 36 year old quarterback, that has never been good enough to start in his 10+ year career? Personally, I think he looks like an old Chad Pennington. Saying he's "accurate" is a nice way of saying he has no arm strength, and he's as about as mobile as a statue.

I'd like to hear a little more than a knee jerk "OMg!! ToDd CoLlinZZzz!!" type reaction.[/quote]


If Collins was Tom Brady, the Bills would have 4 Super Bowl titles and he wouldn't be our backup.

Campbell is also no Patrick Ramsey who will lose his job to an old QB from an injury, no matter how well Collins plays for the remainder of the season. Campbell opens up our passing game like we have not seen a QB do since Rypien. He will be back next season, with a bunch of 300-yard passing games under his belt and 12 more games than the beginning of 2007. He'll be better next year than this year, you could see him growing and maturing as a QB (except for the fumbling) every game.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;390534]There is definitely a huge drop off in how much zip he puts on his passes compared to Campbell. He's a reliable back up and if there's any hope of making the playoffs, he's going to have to come through for us...[/quote]

Sometimes it's good to not have so much zip. At least Collins doesn't have to worry about the ball sailing high, which happens to Campbell a lot.

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It was REAL nice to:
Get the win!
Have something positive to think about in the wake of all that IS this season.
Listen to Jaws giving props to the Skins for taking care of business under the WORST possible circumstances!
HTTR.....maybe we have a little fun in us yet????

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Collins made up for his lack of zip by getting the ball out quickly and accurately.

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[quote=Buster;390547]Let me add a little of the English language to this thread...

Collins did so well because he had ALL day to throw. His line and Portis did an incredible job of protecting him. Too bad they didn't do that for Campbell though.

When he entered the game, I was scared and actually wishing Brunell was in the game instead, but Todd did well. He surprised me. Hopefully this was not a one-time deal, because with some luck we CAN still make the playoffs.[/quote]If we can win out, we are virtually guarenteed a playoff spot.

The interesting thing comes when you start asking "what happens when we go 2-1 to finish". We'd need a little help then, from New Orleans (over Arizona) and Denver (over Minnesota), but two and one still should get us in, provided that the one loss isn't against Minnesota.

If we lose to Minnesota, we have a better chance to catch the Giants than we do to catch the Vikings. Those games are going to be pretty critical, and we can't go unless we win at least one, hopefully two.

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[quote=Southpaw;390546]The only substantial pass where the receiver wasn't wide open was to Yoder, which was a good toss. Other than that, receivers were in spaces with no one around them. Whether it's a product of the Bears terrible coverage, or Collins knowing Saunders' system remains to be seen, but the Collins backers will be in for a shock if they think the quarterback can toss meatballs around every week.[/quote]He can get away with it the next two weeks though. We play some good rush defenses in the Giants and Vikings, but neither is anything special against the pass, at least not as good as the Bears are.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;390336]Collins playing great this game. But before we crown him, the Bears prepared for Campbell and they didn't study tendencies, etc for Collins.[/QUOTE]

How do you study for Collins? Do you think the Bears have a Betamax VCR in their film room? Tape on him is so old its in B&W. Since there's no sound cards pop up explaining the action...

[YT]Pt5RaT53th0[/YT]

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[quote=BrudLee;390589]How do you study for Collins? Do you think the Bears have a Betamax VCR in their film room?[/quote]

Well actually, the only season he had significant playing time was with the BILLS in 1997 when he played 14 games WITHOUT Saunders. With the Chiefs, he played a couple of games but not that much film exists on him.


So really, there's NOT much to study on him. They can watch this year's preseason games I guess. :cheeky-sm

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[quote=BrudLee;390589]How do you study for Collins? Do you think the Bears have a Betamax VCR in their film room? Tape on him is so old its in B&W. Since there's no sound cards pop up explaining the action...

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THAT'S humor

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if you watch the throw to betts for the touchdown, that ball was squeezed exactly where it had to be. he read the right zone blitz, and found the hot read. Collins is, as Dennis Green said, what he is. a career backup. that has played in this system long enough to know the ins and outs. the giants and vikings pass defense leaves alot to be desired. so as long as we protect, he should have some success. and i downright love Clinton Portis. his pass blocking is easily top 3 in the league. i don't think there is one thing this guy wouldn't do to win a game

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[QUOTE=BrudLee;390589]How do you study for Collins? Do you think the Bears have a Betamax VCR in their film room? Tape on him is so old its in B&W. Since there's no sound cards pop up explaining the action...

[YT]Pt5RaT53th0[/YT][/QUOTE]

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[quote=GoSkins!;390387]Collins helped do what we have been missing. He helped us score TD's. Getting that last TD instead of a FG could have been the difference in a great win and another 4th quarter loss. He deserves credit for his performance. Good job Todd![/quote]

I'd also like to give props to the coaches on that last drive. They came out throwing instead of slamming Portis in the line trying to run the clock.

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[quote=GTripp0012;390568]If we can win out, we are virtually guarenteed a playoff spot.

The interesting thing comes when you start asking "what happens when we go 2-1 to finish". We'd need a little help then, from New Orleans (over Arizona) and Denver (over Minnesota), but two and one still should get us in, provided that the one loss isn't against Minnesota.

If we lose to Minnesota, we have a better chance to catch the Giants than we do to catch the Vikings. Those games are going to be pretty critical, and we can't go unless we win at least one, hopefully two.[/quote]

I hate to spoil everyone's happy mood today, but we ARE NOT going to win out. At NY and at Minn and then Dallas?? Not gonna happen.

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Collins may not have the arm Campbell does, but last night he was confident, accurate and quick with his decisions, which were good decisions. That pass to Betts for the TD looked like a hot read facing a blitz, he let go of that one fast, and to the correct guy.

I am comfortable with him for the last 3 games if it comes to that, but MAN do we need to Run block better.... So much for Randy Thomas coming back and having an affect on our running game! Geez!

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[quote=scowan;390615]Collins may not have the arm Campbell does, but last night he was confident, accurate and quick with his decisions, which were good decisions. That pass to Betts for the TD looked like a hot read facing a blitz, he let go of that one fast, and to the correct guy.

I am comfortable with him for the last 3 games if it comes to that, but MAN do we need to Run block better.... So much for Randy Thomas coming back and having an affect on our running game! Geez![/quote]

Thomas wasn't in for long, he left with a minor elbow injury.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;390613]I hate to spoil everyone's happy mood today, but we ARE NOT going to win out. At NY and at Minn and then Dallas?? Not gonna happen.[/QUOTE]

You'd make a hell of a head coach.

Seriously though, what's wrong with having a little faith? Sure it's a long shot but why deny people the right to believe? It's harmless

Santa wants a word with you Scrooge

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Stranger things have happened.

Does anyone really think we can't play with the Giants and Vikings? If anything those are going to be some hard fought games.

And with Dallas possibly resting their starters in week 17 why couldn't we win out?

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[quote=Southpaw;390546]The only substantial pass where the receiver wasn't wide open was to Yoder, which was a good toss. Other than that, receivers were in spaces with no one around them. Whether it's a product of the Bears terrible coverage, or Collins knowing Saunders' system remains to be seen, but the Collins backers will be in for a shock if they think the quarterback can toss meatballs around every week.[/quote]

So, Collins connected with a lot of wide open receivers, which begs the question why did he? Did he make decisions and release quicker than JC? Or did the Bears change their scheme with him? Did the Bears stop covering because they were so intimidated by Saunder's student?

I'm thinking it's TC's quick decisions and release. That has been a knock on Campbell for a while. He can hold onto the ball too long.

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There is a reason Collins has been an NFL qb for 13 years. There is a reason why Al Saunders wanted to bring him here to be the backup. He is intelligent AND capable. He knows the offense as well as anybody, he is a student of the game and will probably have a long career in coaching as soon as he hangs up the cleats. He did a very nice job last night in relief, and IF he, and the o-line, can repeat that performance against a Giant's D that is better than the Bears, then the Skins have a good chance of winning and staying alive for a playoff spot.

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In the grand scheme of things, this may actually help JC in the long run. He has seemed to be pressing and not comfortable. Obviously choking at the worst possible moments. Maybe he can go to school watching Collins for a game or two.
What the hell........better to take the high road ehh??????
It was sooo nice to see actual passing...............touchdowns...................BY PASSING

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[quote=skinsfan69;390613]I hate to spoil everyone's happy mood today, but we ARE NOT going to win out. At NY and at Minn and then Dallas?? Not gonna happen.[/quote]

You need a new screen name.

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I was looking for the QB controversy thread. I guess this is a close as I'll get.

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[quote=RiggoDrill;390669]There is a reason Collins has been an NFL qb for 13 years. There is a reason why Al Saunders wanted to bring him here to be the backup. He is intelligent AND capable. He knows the offense as well as anybody, he is a student of the game and will probably have a long career in coaching as soon as he hangs up the cleats. He did a very nice job last night in relief, and IF he, and the o-line, can repeat that performance against a Giant's D that is better than the Bears, then the Skins have a good chance of winning and staying alive for a playoff spot.[/quote]

Yes, his 89.5 yds/gm career average is very impressive.

He's been on rosters for 13 years, but add up his playing time and he's in his 3rd year. :D

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3116/career;_ylt=AlEj.bvqcqCOoWsHJ1xd.Ev.uLYF]Todd Collins - Washington Redskins - Career Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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TC is so money, dude was blogging on the sidelines last night, check out his live updates. LOL

[url=http://www.toddcoll15.blogspot.com/]Todd Collins - Diary of an NFL Quarterback[/url]

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[quote=RiggoDrill;390669]There is a reason Collins has been an NFL qb for 13 years. There is a reason why Al Saunders wanted to bring him here to be the backup. He is intelligent AND capable. He knows the offense as well as anybody, he is a student of the game and will probably have a long career in coaching as soon as he hangs up the cleats. He did a very nice job last night in relief, and IF he, and the o-line, can repeat that performance against a Giant's D that is better than the Bears, then the Skins have a good chance of winning and staying alive for a playoff spot.[/quote]

I was thinking the the same thing about TC coaching. BTW I love JC but TC showed how this offense is supposed to be run just watch and learn JC...Say what you want about Todd's arm but they were some pretty passes.

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[quote=Southpaw;390521]Some people actually seem to believe that Todd Collins is the answer at quarterback for this team. What I'd like to know from those people is, if Collins is truly "Tom Brady", or "should have been the starter all season", what should Washington do as a team, going forward?

I honestly want to know how Washington build's a team around a 36 year old quarterback, that has never been good enough to start in his 10+ year career? Personally, I think he looks like an old Chad Pennington. Saying he's "accurate" is a nice way of saying he has no arm strength, and he's as about as mobile as a statue.

I'd like to hear a little more than a knee jerk "OMg!! ToDd CoLlinZZzz!!" type reaction.[/quote]
Your reading way more into this than there is. When JC went down and Collins came I'm sure everyone was thinking Oh No not Collins. He came in and did what a back up is suppose to do and a little more. I don't think anyone is thinking Collins is our new starter only hoping that he can keep this up and get us a few more wins. I think its great that he had the chance to show what he can do in this system and also showed that JC might not have a total concept of how run AS system.

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[quote=Mattyk72;390683]TC is so money, dude was blogging on the sidelines last night, check out his live updates. LOL

[URL="http://www.toddcoll15.blogspot.com/"]Todd Collins - Diary of an NFL Quarterback[/URL][/quote]

LOL Just checked that out Todd's a cool dude.

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Todd Collins had a good game. Let's not crown him [B]"TOM BRADY"[/B] yet. Nobody expected him to perform like that. Let's see what he does versus the Giants.

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Collins is incredible! He hasn't thrown an interception for 10 years!

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[quote=Buster;390714]Collins is incredible! He hasn't thrown an interception for 10 years![/quote]

He's off the hook.

I'm ordering a Collins jersey today!

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[quote=Mattyk72;390683]TC is so money, dude was blogging on the sidelines last night, check out his live updates. LOL

[URL="http://www.toddcoll15.blogspot.com/"]Todd Collins - Diary of an NFL Quarterback[/URL][/quote]

Dude has a sense of humor. Great stuff