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[QUOTE=VTSkins897;391819]i am a bit middled on this one...

as far as the dogs, i don't give hardly a rat's a. the pettiest of crimes against a human isn't worth 1000 damn dogs. not all of the athletes you cheer for everyday are saints. get over yourself?

the real crime here is just pure stupidity.

GUILTY.

serve your time and get back to doing what you do. spare us the jokes please.[/QUOTE]

Well, it's a shame people like yourself don't value life, and apparently cruelty to animals is Ok in your mind, even though it's a felony what Vick did. Sad.

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[quote=jsarno;391821]Well, it's a shame people like yourself don't value life, and apparently cruelty to animals is Ok in your mind, even though it's a felony what Vick did. Sad.[/quote]

I agree. In my mind Vick got off easy, like I said before, if he was just some regular dude living in the ghetto he would've gotten a massive punishment. I actually read a story about a guy who got 17 felony counts of dogfighting and for each of the 17 the guy got 6 years per dog. Meaning 102 years in prison this guy had and on top of that he had to pay $34,000 in fines. Vick only paid $5,000.

23 months and $5,000 vs 102 years and $34,000. Tell me who got the slap on the wrist?

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I don't think the sentence is overly harsh at all and I'm glad Vick's celebrity status wasn't a factor in his sentencing. I am glad to see him locked up.

But it's only human I think to recoil at the site of seeing someone crash and burn so fast. I can't help but pity him, even if I think he deserves everything he's getting.

I think the ultimate tragedy - at least in the original Greek sense of the word - is that Vick will end up back in VA as just another lowlife, his neighborhood having won in the end.

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as an attorney and former criminal clerk i have seen far worse crimes get lesser punishments. (but that is on the state level, the fed level does not play around and has mandatory minimums and sentencing guidelines).

my pop is a former federal prosecutor who knows this judge and his reputation and said this judge is harsh and hands down stiff penalties. just like in the real world, it all depends on the judge you get and what day you get him or her. ive seen my judge give slaps on the wrist one day and the next day give a guy 2 plus years in jail for basically the same crime and priors,

go skins!

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Did you guys hear that the Falcons owner wouldn't rule out Vick coming back to play for ATL?

I think he's just saying the right thing at this point. After 3 years away from the game who knows what kind of QB he'll be. You would have to think it would take him some time to shake off the rust and by then we're talking about a 31 year old QB who's best asset is his legs. Some rumors say he would be better off coming back at an easier position to adjust to such as RB or WR.

My guess is the NFL won't suspend him when he gets out of jail. I think 3 seasons away from the game is appropriate enough of a punishment.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;391983]Did you guys hear that the Falcons owner wouldn't rule out Vick coming back to player for ATL?

I think he's just saying the right thing at this point. After 3 years away from the game who knows what kind of QB he'll be. You would have to think it would take him some time to shake off the rust and by then we're talking about a 31 year old QB who's best asset is his legs. Some rumors say he would be better off coming back at an easier position to adjust to such as RB or WR.

My guess is the NFL won't suspend him when he gets out of jail. I think 3 seasons away from the game is appropriate enough of a punishment.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if he was just saying the right things or not. Common sense says you would think so, but remember Blank wheeling vick around in a wheel chair? I've read that they were pretty close, for an owner and a player anyway.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;391984]I don't know if he was just saying the right things or not. Common sense says you would think so, but remember Blank wheeling vick around in a wheel chair? I've read that they were pretty close, for an owner and a player anyway.[/quote]

Yeah they were close but Blank must have felt so betrayed initially. He thought he knew Vick but he obviously didn't. He does seem like a good guy though and perhaps he'll give Vick a 2nd shot.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;391989]Yeah they were close but Blank must have felt so betrayed initially. He thought he knew Vick but he obviously didn't. He does seem like a good guy though and perhaps he'll give Vick a 2nd shot.[/QUOTE]

That's kind of what I'm thinking. After his cool down period, he might've started to feel bad for Vick. I could see it happening.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;391675]First let me say that I am a Hokie so that might have something to do with my opinion.

I do agree with Shriff. This is too much for the crime he committed. I like animals and do not think that what Vick did was right under any circumstance.

Then tell me, what is it about? It IS animal-related and that is it, plain and simple. Now, you and I and the rest of America are watching this stupid media sources like ESPN and animal lovers make it so much more than it is. People are letteing Holywood dictate how they feel. I am not trying to be political, far from it, but you can't help but notice that people are just plain hypocrites. Soldiers are dying, children in Africa and Asia are dying by hundreds, crime rate is high (at least here in the DC area), but the biggest crime of all which has all the media's attention is killing dogs. Please...

Watch any local news and when they talk about a crime (real people dying) all we do is CLICK (change channel). Why? Because we got used to it. But Vicks case was a new story. Once the media heard about this, they were like a kid in a candy store. All they saw is a rating increase.

Beleive me when I say this, the media can't careless about Vick or the "dogs".

Neither do any of us. I tell you why. There are so many dogs, and animals in general, that are being mis-treated by owners. There so many of them with out homes. It is true we are not killing any of them but none of us are doing anything about it. We only care because the media told you and me to care.

Anywho, that is my two cents.[/QUOTE]

In most cases the people make the choice whether to participate or not. The dogs were not lucky enough to have that option.

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[quote]Did you guys hear that the Falcons owner wouldn't rule out Vick coming back to player for ATL?

I think he's just saying the right thing at this point. After 3 years away from the game who knows what kind of QB he'll be. You would have to think it would take him some time to shake off the rust and by then we're talking about a 31 year old QB who's best asset is his legs. Some rumors say he would be better off coming back at an easier position to adjust to such as RB or WR.

My guess is the NFL won't suspend him when he gets out of jail. I think 3 seasons away from the game is appropriate enough of a punishment.[/quote]

Matty, I heard on some show, that this might have something to do with the signing bonus the Falcons are trying to recoup. Something about they cant cut him because then they can't get the signing bonus. And if they say he's not coming back, could hurt them in arbitration.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;391823]I agree. In my mind Vick got off easy, like I said before, if he was just some regular dude living in the ghetto he would've gotten a massive punishment. I actually read a story about a guy who got 17 felony counts of dogfighting and for each of the 17 the guy got 6 years per dog. Meaning 102 years in prison this guy had and on top of that he had to pay $34,000 in fines. Vick only paid $5,000.

23 months and $5,000 vs 102 years and $34,000. Tell me who got the slap on the wrist?[/QUOTE]

wow...I figured something like that has happened...do you have a link by chance?

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Im also curious how much the "celebrity factor" actually plays into this. Our legal system does not cater to justice, it caters to money. If you have money, you don't get the type of penalties that a poor person would get for the same crimes. High powered lawyers can spend much more time and effort, along with often just being plain better than say a court appointed lawyer. The only way this doesn't happen is if the prosecution has a slam dunk case -- even then, money can work our plea deals.

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[quote=jsarno;392553]wow...I figured something like that has happened...do you have a link by chance?[/quote]

Yup. [url=http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/11254851.html]WTVY - News[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;391611]Can you say "doggie style"!!!!!!![/quote]


"who let the dogs out"

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;392573]Yup. [url=http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/11254851.html]WTVY - News[/url][/QUOTE]

WOW...Vick got off extremely easy.

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To be honest I would have given him the maximum 5 years

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He did not tell much about his operation or others like Taylor[ got 2 months for cooperating for the dog details and operation of Vick]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;391497]Details forthcoming[/QUOTE]

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he earned it.

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In unrelated news to Vick's prison term, but certainly not thread worthy. Vick files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. 10-50 mil in the hole.

[URL="http://www.wavy.com/global/story.asp?s=8639218&srvc=latest"]WAVY TV 10 : Virginia and North Carolina News -Vick files for bankruptcy protection[/URL]

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^ Good for him. He deserves it.

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Couldn't have happened to a better guy.

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They also had an article today in the same paper talking about what happened to all the dogs removed from his home. These numbers I'm using are very close but I cannot remember the exact numbers. Total dogs removed was around 44, 22 have been placed in homes, 2 or maybe 3 put down, 21 or 22 still working on them and trying to get them prepared for adoption.

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Wow...but who would want to take on a dog trained for fighting. Maybe someone with a ranch who can let the dog out of the house to run around. I wouldn't want to sleep in the same house as a Vick dog though. It's not the dog's fault, but I doubt that's training that can be undone very easily.

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He owes between $10M and $50M?

That's quite the range.

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what the hell could he have bought that would put him into that much debt?

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Isn't he looking at charges in the county the property the dogs where housed on? I thought I herd that on the news yesterday.

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[quote=SKINStoWIN;455749]Isn't he looking at charges in the county the property the dogs where housed on? I thought I herd that on the news yesterday.[/quote]

the state (VA) plans to press charges but is waiting until he's out of jail to save themselves the costs of transporting him to & fro his current home/fed prison, which l last heard was in Kansas.

At least that's the word from the Surry Co. prosecutor.

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[quote=freddyg12;455752]the state (VA) plans to press charges but is waiting until he's out of jail to save themselves the costs of transporting him to & fro his current home/fed prison, which l last heard was in Kansas.

At least that's the word from the Surry Co. prosecutor.[/quote]

I think the state should leave the guy alone. He's lost his career, spent 2 years and jail and then the state is going to try and put him back in jail?? I think that's BS. Enough is enough.

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[quote=skinsfan69;455762]I think the state should leave the guy alone. He's lost his career, spent 2 years and jail and then the state is going to try and put him back in jail?? I think that's BS. Enough is enough.[/quote]


No. It's not.

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dude mike vick will not get any ass raping thats retarded, he could probably whoop more than half the people in virginia jail lol

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I think he owes his money to the falcons and all his sponsorship, you cant just back out of contracts cuz of legal problems, you will owe money. So i dont think its what he's spent but from all his contracts

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[QUOTE=DiehardSkin88;455785]dude mike vick will not get any ass raping thats retarded, he could probably whoop more than half the people in virginia jail lol[/QUOTE]

Where did that come from?

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[quote=DiehardSkin88;455788]I think he owes his money to the falcons and all his sponsorship, you cant just back out of contracts cuz of legal problems, you will owe money. So i dont think its what he's spent but from all his contracts[/quote]
He doe owe the Falcons around 3.5 mil but I don't think so with the sponsors. Sponsors have in their contracts clauses to let them out of the deal if the player has legal or other issues. They want to get away as fast as they can so people forget they ever had anything to do with them.

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[QUOTE=jgalecpa;455778]No. It's not.[/QUOTE]

I think its overkill to go after Vick, why not spend some resources going after other people who are still doing what Vick did?

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;455880]I think its overkill to go after Vick, why not spend some resources going after other people who are still doing what Vick did?[/QUOTE]

I think they have the resources to do both.

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[quote=memphisskin;455880]I think its overkill to go after Vick, why not spend some resources going after other people who are still doing what Vick did?[/quote]
They'll probably deal with him to get some of the others in the area.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;455882]I think they have the resources to do both.[/QUOTE]

Vick brought this on himself, so he has to take his punishment, but if this is truly about dogfighting then I want to see the Surry County prosecutor go after dogfighters and not just Mike Vick. Vick is paying his penance, but dogfighting neither began nor ended with Vick, but I highly doubt that anyone else will even be charged because of this investigation. If its truly about ending this barbaric practice and saving dogs lives then why hasn't anyone else been charged? DJnemo65, I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to understand.

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[quote=memphisskin;455941]Vick brought this on himself, so he has to take his punishment, but if this is truly about dogfighting then I want to see the Surry County prosecutor go after dogfighters and not just Mike Vick. Vick is paying his penance, but dogfighting neither began nor ended with Vick, but I highly doubt that anyone else will even be charged because of this investigation. If its truly about ending this barbaric practice and saving dogs lives then why hasn't anyone else been charged? DJnemo65, I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to understand.[/quote]

There were others that were sentenced along with Vick. Vick is just the highest profile person involved, obviously.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314130,00.html]FOXNews.com - Two Co-Defendants in Michael Vick Federal Dogfighting Case Sentenced - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News[/url]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;455943]There were others that were sentenced along with Vick. Vick is just the highest profile person involved, obviously.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314130,00.html]FOXNews.com - Two Co-Defendants in Michael Vick Federal Dogfighting Case Sentenced - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News[/url][/QUOTE]

There were four people charged by the government. Again, dogfighting is still going on, the three others Vick was involved with talked about multiple dogfights in several states, so if the real enemy is dogfighting and dogfighters, why is it that there are just four people in jail? These four people probably weren't even the biggest dogfighters in Virginia, yet I haven't heard about one dogfighter going to jail since Vick, not one. Again, not talking about anyone associated with Bad Newz Kennel, but about the littany of others continuing to participate in this. Or did dogfighting suddenly stop since Vick went to jail?

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[quote=memphisskin;455962]There were four people charged by the government. Again, dogfighting is still going on, the three others Vick was involved with talked about multiple dogfights in several states, so if the real enemy is dogfighting and dogfighters, why is it that there are just four people in jail? These four people probably weren't even the biggest dogfighters in Virginia, yet I haven't heard about one dogfighter going to jail since Vick, not one. Again, not talking about anyone associated with Bad Newz Kennel, but about the littany of others continuing to participate in this. Or did dogfighting suddenly stop since Vick went to jail?[/quote]

You mean like these?

[URL="http://www.pethealthcare.co.uk/Four_Arrested_In_Dog_Fighting_Raids_686/AllComments/"]Pethealthcare - News - Four Arrested In Dog Fighting Raids[/URL]

[URL="http://www.semissourian.com/article/20080708/NEWS01/86860190/-1/news01"]seMissourian.com: Story: Man charged in dogfighting case has probation revoked[/URL]

[URL="http://humanesociety.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/madison_county_sheriff_raids_dogfighting_operatoin_070308.html"]Madison County Sheriff’s Office Raids Dogfighting Operation, Makes First Known Arrest Under Georgia’s New Dogfighting Law | The Humane Society of the United States[/URL]

[URL="http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=82712"]NY1: Top Stories[/URL]

[url=http://www.wkrg.com/local/article/dog_fighting_arrests1/15179/]Dog Fighting Arrests - Alabama Animal Cruelty Dog Dog Fighting[/url]