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See, I like moves like getting London Fletcher. Let's be fiscally responsible for once, use these draft picks to our advantage and make some shrewd decisions in FA and let's get the team under the cap where it can make moves in a couple of years.

I'm with SS, I'd love to get Talib if he's available.

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[quote=Schneed10;391693]Given that we have money tied up in Rogers and Smoot over the next few years, and given that Springs is still a Redskin at this point, I agree that it seems very inappropriate to spend lots of money on a corner.

If we do ANYTHING at corner, it would make most sense to draft somebody and bring along as a replacement for Spings.

But even that would be inappropriate in my opinion. We have other needs. Our depth along the offensive line, in addition to the age of our linemen, makes that priority one for me. I'd take a WR over a CB, too.

And given the fact that it makes all the financial sense in the world to cut Phillip Daniels, we're going to need a DE. Unless Daniels wants to drop his salary, then we could keep him, but even that is a stopgap because he's so old.[/quote]

I hope we can keep Daniels. I think he's played really well this year & has stayed healthy too. He is old & doesn't have the speed to get to the passer on most plays but he still manages to if the coverage is there & he's stout v. the run. The rotation w/him moving to DT in passing downs & Wilson or MW at DE has worked pretty well, but you're right that we do need a future every down DE.

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We're going to sign at least a couple guys during the f. agency period. It's a question of how much is the danny going to spend. I like this past year's signings as well as 05. In those years we picked up a couple starters but didn't break the bank & try to buy a title.

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I'm with everyone wanting OL though. I think we need to spend a low round pick on an elite prospect. I think we need to go guard without a doubt.

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[quote=freddyg12;391710]I hope we can keep Daniels. I think he's played really well this year & has stayed healthy too. He is old & doesn't have the speed to get to the passer on most plays but he still manages to if the coverage is there & he's stout v. the run. The rotation w/him moving to DT in passing downs & Wilson or MW at DE has worked pretty well, but you're right that we do need a future every down DE.[/quote]

I know it has been said a thousand times with other players - if we cut Daniels or restrcuture would he do it "for the vet minimum"?

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[quote=freddyg12;391713]We're going to sign at least a couple guys during the f. agency period. It's a question of how much is the danny going to spend. I like this past year's signings as well as 05. In those years we picked up a couple starters but didn't break the bank & try to buy a title.[/quote]

Well following the 05 season we did break the bank, we went for Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd, in addition to Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El. They all got $10 million bonuses and only two were worth it. Maybe you meant leading up to the 05 season?

But yeah, last year's approach is certainly ideal for this year. And this time last year, we were in a similar situation from a cap standpoint, so I'd imagine the approach will be similar to this offseason. Not much free agent activity, just one or two key moves.

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I definitely see a low key approach to free agency like we saw last year. Yeah, they really don't have a choice due to the cap, but I also think Gibbs has learned some hard lessons in free agency.

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If we keep Springs, I actually really like our secondary. I say keep Springs one more year, then draft a CB NEXT year. Since LL is looking so good at FS, maybe draft another SS in the later rounds.

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[quote=freddyg12;391713]We're going to sign at least a couple guys during the f. agency period. It's a question of how much is the danny going to spend. I like this past year's signings as well as 05. In those years we picked up a couple starters but didn't break the bank & try to buy a title.[/quote]

As long as we do sign guys with mimimal signing bonuses that is fine with me. I just don't see giving out $8-$10 million dollar signing bonuses (and that is what is going to be required if not more to sign the 3 elite corners mentioned on this thread earlier as well as other high profile free agents) as a prudent move. Free Agency should not be the main method to build the team - use it for a couple of players here and there or better termed "final pieces" but to unload the bank to get most of your front line players is a ticking time bomb. When you sign big name players you have to go through all the contract restructurings in subsequent years to get under the cap and find extra room to sign other players. Plus often you have to let home grown talent (Antonio Pierce comes to mind) go when you don't have enough room to reward your own players.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;391709]See, I like moves like getting London Fletcher. Let's be fiscally responsible for once, use these draft picks to our advantage and make some shrewd decisions in FA and let's get the team under the cap where it can make moves in a couple of years.

I'm with SS, I'd love to get Talib if he's available.[/quote]

I like this move too. I like the drafting of Blades and let him sit behind the master and take over in few years. This is what we need to do more of. Have quality young guys waiting in the wings.

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THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING
why?
Peter King said so.
Oh yeah, like every year since FA started. Anyone who quotes that idiot is in need of an internet connection. He has predicted doom and gloom and over the cap every year. Should we sign a bunch of talentless hacks at $10 mil a piece? no
could we? yes
Unlike in my personal life, my team has more money than brains. Don't worry about the cap with the Danny. Worry more about where the money goes.

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[quote=Schneed10;391718]Well following the 05 season we did break the bank, we went for Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd, in addition to Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El. They all got $10 million bonuses and only two were worth it. Maybe you meant leading up to the 05 season?

But yeah, last year's approach is certainly ideal for this year. And this time last year, we were in a similar situation from a cap standpoint, so I'd imagine the approach will be similar to this offseason. Not much free agent activity, just one or two key moves.[/quote]

I meant 05 of free agency, i.e. following the 04 season, not 06, which is when we signed AA, Loyd et al.

In 05 we signed Rabach, Patten & maybe a couple others to very minimal deals.

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[quote=freddyg12;391728]I meant 05 of free agency, i.e. following the 04 season, not 06, which is when we signed AA, Loyd et al.

In 05 we signed Rabach, Patten & maybe a couple others to very minimal deals.[/quote]

Yeah good call. I'd love to see us roll like that this time.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;391676]I don't believe the disparity is going to be as great as you think. We'll see this time next year... meanwhile, remember, lubricate often, you don't want to chafe.[/quote]

Spoken like a true professional!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;391687]In the interests of addressing the fact that we're $20 million over the cap next year, here's a post I wrote about a month ago in another thread:

I'm going to list the ways to get the cap number down. You can debate the merit of making certain moves on this list, but if we don't cut a certain player, you can bet we'd restructure them, which would also save some money.

[B]Expected Roster Cuts:[/B]
Phillip Daniels - $3.0 million saved
Mark Brunell - $3.4 million saved
[B]Total Savings for Cuts: $6.4 million[/B]

[B]Keeping These Players, Restructuring 2008 Base Salary, Prorating over Remaining life of Contract:[/B]
Randy Thomas - $4.3 million saved
Clinton Portis - $3.8 million saved
Jon Jansen - $3.7 million saved
Chris Samuels - $3.4 million saved
Cornelius Griffin - $2.8 million saved
Santana Moss - $2.4 million saved
Casey Rabach - $1.8 million saved
[B]Total Salary Restructure Savings: $22.2 million[/B]

[B]Keeping These Players, Restructuring 2008 Roster Bonuses, Prorating over Remaining life of Contract:[/B]
Ladell Betts - $1.7 million saved
Clinton Portis - $0.4 million saved
Andre Carter - $1.9 million saved
Antwaan Randle-El - $1.2 million saved
[B]Total Bonus Restructure Savings: $5.2 million[/B]

So I see ways to reduce our 2008 cap number by about $34 million. So do I think armageddon is coming next year? NO.

But I wouldn't go making ALL of the moves I listed above, either. We're starting to push a little too much into the future. And if we get rid of Brandon Lloyd, that move will eat up some more space.

Bottom line, we won't have to dismantle the team, but we won't have lots of flexibility, either. We'll need to draft very well.

I don't think large free agent moves are in our future.[/QUOTE]


Got to : skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Cut_Trade_Savings.htm]Cut_Trade_Savings

[B]If you cut the following, the cap savings is barely 8 million.[/B]

Portis
Brunell
Jansen
Lloyd
Washington
Springs
Griffin
Daniels
Taylor

[B]You can cut all of these players, for a total cap savings of 8.175 million and STILL BE 12 million over the cap.

If you cut your Starting RB, Starting RT, Starting DE, Starting DT, Starting OLB, and Starting CB, you are still 12 million over the cap.[/B]

Damn...Good Luck

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[QUOTE=Bonecrusher#31;391744]Got to : skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Cut_Trade_Savings.htm]Cut_Trade_Savings

[B]If you cut the following, the cap savings is barely 8 million.[/B]

Portis
Brunell
Jansen
Lloyd
Washington
Springs
Griffin
Daniels
Taylor

[B]You can cut all of these players, for a total cap savings of 8.175 million and STILL BE 12 million over the cap.

If you cut your Starting RB, Starting RT, Starting DE, Starting DT, Starting OLB, and Starting CB, you are still 12 million over the cap.[/B]

Damn...Good Luck[/QUOTE]

I have under 10 posts so I can't post the full url....

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No need to go anywhere but here:

[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url]

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[QUOTE=jamf;391568]I really like Trufant but at this point we have enough talent at CB compared to some other roster spots. We really need to address the offensive and defensive lines this year.[/QUOTE]

we DO NOT have enough talent at CB at all. this was exposed in the Bears game when Smoot went down and all we had left was Torrence and Eubanks (who were consistantly found out of place)
CB is a postition we def. need to look at but id rather NOT spend all our money on ONE good corner

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[quote=Bonecrusher#31;391744]Got to : skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Cut_Trade_Savings.htm]Cut_Trade_Savings

[B]If you cut the following, the cap savings is barely 8 million.[/B]

Portis
Brunell
Jansen
Lloyd
Washington
Springs
Griffin
Daniels
Taylor

[B]You can cut all of these players, for a total cap savings of 8.175 million and STILL BE 12 million over the cap.

If you cut your Starting RB, Starting RT, Starting DE, Starting DT, Starting OLB, and Starting CB, you are still 12 million over the cap.[/B]

Damn...Good Luck[/quote]

Does cutting Lloyd even save us any significant money?

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Bonecrusher,
Just as a heads up, as i see you are new. [B]ANYTHING[/B] CrazyCanuck or Schneed10 say about the cap should be treated as law. These two guys know what they are talking about. They keep as good books on our players salaries as anyone but maybe Danny himself.

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[QUOTE=Bonecrusher#31;391744]Got to : skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Cut_Trade_Savings.htm]Cut_Trade_Savings

[B]If you cut the following, the cap savings is barely 8 million.[/B]

Portis
Brunell
Jansen
Lloyd
Washington
Springs
Griffin
Daniels
Taylor

[B]You can cut all of these players, for a total cap savings of 8.175 million and STILL BE 12 million over the cap.

If you cut your Starting RB, Starting RT, Starting DE, Starting DT, Starting OLB, and Starting CB, you are still 12 million over the cap.[/B]

Damn...Good Luck[/QUOTE]

WTF does it matter what it saves to cut those players? With maybe 2 exceptions, those players aren't going anywhere.

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[QUOTE=Bonecrusher#31;391744]Got to : skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Cut_Trade_Savings.htm]Cut_Trade_Savings

[B]If you cut the following, the cap savings is barely 8 million.[/B]

Portis
Brunell
Jansen
Lloyd
Washington
Springs
Griffin
Daniels
Taylor

[B]You can cut all of these players, for a total cap savings of 8.175 million and STILL BE 12 million over the cap.

If you cut your Starting RB, Starting RT, Starting DE, Starting DT, Starting OLB, and Starting CB, you are still 12 million over the cap.[/B]

Damn...Good Luck[/QUOTE]

Who said cut all these guys? The crucial move that's kept us out of cap hell is RESTRUCTURING deals. Danny can do that because he's got the cash to pay out in various bonuses carefully arranged for maximal cap savings.

Read Schneed's original post. Only minimal cuts...

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[quote=Schneed10;391718]Well following the 05 season we did break the bank, we went for Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd, in addition to Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El. They all got $10 million bonuses and only two were worth it. Maybe you meant leading up to the 05 season?

But yeah, last year's approach is certainly ideal for this year. And this time last year, we were in a similar situation from a cap standpoint, so I'd imagine the approach will be similar to this offseason. Not much free agent activity, just one or two key moves.[/quote]

I would have to say the $ ARE is making does not add up in production. We should not have signed the guy.

Carter? He's our best pass rusher but he's not in the class of some of the top pass rushers in the NFL. So again, not worth the $ he's being paid.

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[quote=Bonecrusher#31;391744]Got to : skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Cut_Trade_Savings.htm]Cut_Trade_Savings

[B]If you cut the following, the cap savings is barely 8 million.[/B]

Portis
Brunell
Jansen
Lloyd
Washington
Springs
Griffin
Daniels
Taylor

[B]You can cut all of these players, for a total cap savings of 8.175 million and STILL BE 12 million over the cap.[/B]

[B]If you cut your Starting RB, Starting RT, Starting DE, Starting DT, Starting OLB, and Starting CB, you are still 12 million over the cap.[/B]

Damn...Good Luck[/quote]

The numbers you're posting are accurate, but you're not making any sense.

First off, cutting Jon Jansen would actually cause a cap hit instead of saving money. And given that he's still our starter at RT, I have no earthly inkling why we would do that.

But more importantly, cutting players is not the only way to drop salary from your cap. Daniels and Brunell are the two guys that will yield significant savings from being cut, otherwise the benefit to cutting other players is far outweighed by keeping their skill set on the roster.

We can save significant amounts of cap money (up to $27.5 million), should we choose to, by restructuring the base salaries and roster/workout bonuses of the following players:

[B]Keeping These Players, Restructuring 2008 Base Salary, Prorating over Remaining life of Contract:
[/B]Randy Thomas - $4.3 million saved
Clinton Portis - $3.8 million saved
Jon Jansen - $3.7 million saved
Chris Samuels - $3.4 million saved
Cornelius Griffin - $2.8 million saved
Santana Moss - $2.4 million saved
Casey Rabach - $1.8 million saved
[B]Total Salary Restructure Savings: $22.2 million[/B]

[B]Keeping These Players, Restructuring 2008 Roster Bonuses, Prorating over Remaining life of Contract:[/B]
Ladell Betts - $1.7 million saved
Clinton Portis - $0.4 million saved
Andre Carter - $1.9 million saved
Antwaan Randle-El - $1.2 million saved
[B]Total Bonus Restructure Savings: $5.2 million[/B]

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[quote=skinsfan69;391794]I would have to say the $ ARE is making does not add up in production. We should not have signed the guy.

Carter? He's our best pass rusher but he's not in the class of some of the top pass rushers in the NFL. So again, not worth the $ he's being paid.[/quote]

Carter's not being paid like a premeir pass rusher. He got a $10 million signing bonus, total contract value worth $5-6 million per year. Take a look at the contracts of a guy like Dwight Freeney - six years $72 million ($12 million per year with a $30 million bonus).

Carter's being paid "good defensive end" money. Freeney is being paid elite DE money.

ARE is debatable and I agree we're probably overpaying a bit, but not by that much. Do I need to pull contract values on elite WRs? I don't think we're overpaying by enough to label him as a bust. I'll compromise with you and call him a mild disappointment so far.

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[QUOTE=NFLNetwork;391557]I know its early, but there are 3 very good corners on the market this upcoming season (Marcus Trufant, Asante Samuel, & D'angelo Hall)...Should we look to invest considering Spring is prob gone after this season?? More importantly, will we have enough to invest in one of these guys with our current cap situation[/QUOTE]

Dude we have enough secondary...good secondary..we need a pass rusher and a great wideout..maybe a lineman..lets stop getting unneeded position players

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It's already been said, but successful teams are built from the lines up. That's the foundation and without it, everything else is smoke and mirrors.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;391856]It's already been said, but successful teams are built from the lines up. That's the foundation and without it, everything else is smoke and mirrors.[/quote]

Everybody wants the sexy pick. But the games are still won in the trenches. I would be very happy if we could draft a quality guard to replace Kendall, and a pass rushing DE to replace Daniels. Chris Long would look real good in burgundy and gold. I love that guys mentality. He's a leader, and he's got a mean streak just like his dad.

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I think that the redskins need to go straight from the draft and stop buying every single player that looks good at the time. We did that with Lloyd and Archuleta and haven't done shit. If you go from the draft you can get talented rookies to play the positions the skins need the most and the coaching can build them up to be great players.

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[quote=PerkyPerk;391859]I think that the redskins need to go straight from the draft and stop buying every single player that looks good at the time. We did that with Lloyd and Archuleta and haven't done shit. If you go from the draft you can get talented rookies to play the positions the skins need the most and the coaching can build them up to be great players.[/quote]

As pointed out in another thread, your Belicheck-esque clandestine operation to infiltrate the boards and pass yourself off as a Redskins fan ("We did that with Lloyd and Archuleta...") is slightly undermined by your Patriots avatar :doh:.

Free agency can work if you get the right players and use them to compliment draft picks. The problem that the Redskins have had is trading away their picks more than "buying every single player." To a large extent that is a tired retort from people who don't follow the team (such as yourself) and a vestige of the Danny's early days in D.C.

Andre Carter, London Fletcher, Fred Smoot, Randy Thomas, Casey Rabach, Cornelious Griffin, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, etc. have all worked out pretty well in D.C. I might mention a team you're more familiar with (despite your very very clever attempt to hide your affiliation) and their signing/trading for Adalious Thomas, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, etc.

Go find a Patriots board dude, or at least get a better name, PerkyPerk makes me think I should hate you. Then your comments just confirm that.

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Any posts about a spy needs this... Black Adder is sooo underrated!

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;391876]As pointed out in another thread, your Belicheck-esque clandestine operation to infiltrate the boards and pass yourself off as a Redskins fan ("We did that with Lloyd and Archuleta...") is slightly undermined by your Patriots avatar :doh:.

Free agency can work if you get the right players and use them to compliment draft picks. The problem that the Redskins have had is trading away their picks more than "buying every single player." To a large extent that is a tired retort from people who don't follow the team (such as yourself) and a vestige of the Danny's early days in D.C.

Andre Carter, London Fletcher, Fred Smoot, Randy Thomas, Casey Rabach, Cornelious Griffin, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, etc. have all worked out pretty well in D.C. I might mention a team you're more familiar with (despite your very very clever attempt to hide your affiliation) and their signing/trading for Adalious Thomas, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, etc.

Go find a Patriots board dude, or at least get a better name, PerkyPerk makes me think I should hate you. Then your comments just confirm that.[/quote]

SC, was this his official warpath welcome? lol!

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[quote=freddyg12;391879]SC, was this his official warpath welcome? lol![/quote]

I guess I'm off the welcoming committee :)

[quote=skinsfan69;391857]Everybody wants the sexy pick. But the games are still won in the trenches. I would be very happy if we could draft a quality guard to replace Kendall, and a pass rushing DE to replace Daniels. Chris Long would look real good in burgundy and gold. I love that guys mentality. He's a leader, and he's got a mean streak just like his dad.[/quote]

If the Skins could get Chris Long I would literally run laps around my neighborhood singing the good news. If Long isn't a top 3 pick, however, then every personal person on those three teams should be fired. I watched him play all year and the guy is simply amazing. 14 sacks from a 3-4 end, getting double and triple teamed every play, relentless motor, great fast twitch, good leader. Much better prospect than Glenn Dorsey (IMHO) though I guess Dorsey was playing hurt for a good part of the year. Can't say enough good things about Chris Long. It would take a big trade for the Skins to be in position to get him (unfortunately).

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;391857]Everybody wants the sexy pick. But the games are still won in the trenches. I would be very happy if we could draft a quality guard to replace Kendall, and a pass rushing DE to replace Daniels. Chris Long would look real good in burgundy and gold. I love that guys mentality. He's a leader, and he's got a mean streak just like his dad.[/QUOTE]

Too right. We need to draft in the trenches. Guard and DE should be priority.

And BleedBurgundy, you are right about Blackadder - one of the greatest comedies ever made and Dr House's finest work.

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wow lots of good points, thoughts and number-crunching research by everyone, i apreciate the educaton.

my thoughts, we will need help at CB, Oline, D line, safety, and to some degree a bigger WR.

- good o-line guys can be found outside of the draft (kendall, thomas, rabach all came from frugal smart pick ups)

- CB theres talent in FA for immediate help or we can draft a guy and pay him to not contribute for the first year or so

- D line, might have to look at the draft but none of last years 1st round guys have had an impact on their teams

- O line, i really like picking these guys up in the 2nd - 5th round of the draft

go skins!

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;391880]I guess I'm off the welcoming committee :)



If the Skins could get Chris Long I would literally run laps around my neighborhood singing the good news. If Long isn't a top 3 pick, however, then every personal person on those three teams should be fired. I watched him play all year and the guy is simply amazing. 14 sacks from a 3-4 end, getting double and triple teamed every play, relentless motor, great fast twitch, good leader. Much better prospect than Glenn Dorsey (IMHO) though I guess Dorsey was playing hurt for a good part of the year. Can't say enough good things about Chris Long. It would take a big trade for the Skins to be in position to get him (unfortunately).[/quote]

Unless his stock falls hard between now & the draft. It's quite possible. The combine can do that to great college players. I remember Terrell Suggs stock falling when the scouts saw his 40 times, but he's had a pretty solid career w/Baltimore.

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Since this thread mentioned the fa corners, it got me thinking, does anyone know Champ's cap situation in denver? It may sound crazy now, but he's been there 4 years & his deal might be backloaded. Plus, they signed a lot of big $ free agents during that time.

I would be surprised if he's cut, but if he's due a big bonus & they try to restructure him, who knows? I know it's unlikely he'd want to come back here, but the thought certainly has crossed my mind since Smoot came back. Those two are good friends.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;392591]Since this thread mentioned the fa corners, it got me thinking, does anyone know Champ's cap situation in denver? It may sound crazy now, but he's been there 4 years & his deal might be backloaded. Plus, they signed a lot of big $ free agents during that time.

I would be surprised if he's cut, but if he's due a big bonus & they try to restructure him, who knows? I know it's unlikely he'd want to come back here, but the thought certainly has crossed my mind since Smoot came back. Those two are good friends.[/QUOTE]


yeah we'd be reaching for that to happen..but it has happened before...how about andre davis the reciever from houston?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;391596]I don't think it's such a lock that Springs is gone.

And if we do keep him, I still think we should draft a CB in the first round to groom into a starter in a year or two (Talib or Cason remain my favorites); though I keep hearing Derrick Harvey attached to the Redskins come draft time. Still early though.

If we do go the free agent route, I think we should keep any eye on Nnamdi Asomugha (sp?) from the Raiders. I think he can and will opt out. And he's the type of big, physical cornerback that Williams likes.[/QUOTE]

Not sure about Cason... Talib is very good however saw them both play this year.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;391878]Any posts about a spy needs this... Black Adder is sooo underrated!

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Was the guy in the sling in the hopsital Hugh Laurie?