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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;403818]Don't forget about Marcus Mason though[/QUOTE]

What ever happened to MArcus Mason?

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[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;404001]What ever happened to MArcus Mason?[/QUOTE]

practice squad

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First, we need the best guard/ right tackle in the draft. It will affect both our passing and running game.

Second we need to go D line with a defensive end.

Third, we need a S/CB combo like Ross of NY Giants or Griffin from Minn.

4th round, get a receiver. Tall possesion type with "sneaky" speed.

5th round, snag a tight end that can give us a second look after Cooley is covered in our two tight end sets.

6th round, outside LB

7th round, I'd go again at receiver, but one with kick off/punt return expereince

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;403796]What should be the Redskins top priority for the 2008 draft?[/QUOTE]

I'd say the defensive line. Our starting OL should be back and healthy next season. Our starting DL is getting pretty old.

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I really dont know to be honest. I wouldnt mind trading out of the first round completley. I dont think we need a "game changer" at any one position right now, but rather we need depth and to develop starters to start to replace our older guys....If we go into next season without Shawn Springs, I think we have to go corner with the first pick because Rogers is not going to be 100% if he plays at all....after that I'm all about the offensive and defensive line...But I went with corner because I'm going to guess Springs is gone this offseason.

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I was thinking about this the other night, and I couldn't come to a definite answer. Our O-line seems to be coming together, I like our LB depth, I might like some D-line help, but I don't know if I'd invest a 1st rounder in it... It just seems to go on like that, at least in my mind.

My opinion? Other. Best value at our pick for any of the following: D-line, O-line, CB, safety, possibly WR. Take the player who falls too far. Either that, remain open to a trade if someone covets a player who falls.

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I am a bit split between DL and OL. It depends on how well the injuries on the OL mend. If our our current OL comes back then I think we just need some depth with the later rounds and we can spend one of our first picks on D-line, most likely a DE. I can't believe anyone thinks WR is the biggest concern.

[B][U]No team goes anywhere in the playoffs without winning in the trenches on at least one side of the ball.[/U][/B]

You can have the hottest QB, RBs, or WRs in the NFL and if they don't have a decent O-line, they goes nowhere. If your QB is picking turf out of his helmet all day long I don't care who he is he is going to rush passes that lead to picks. If your RB is getting hit in the backfield all day long he isn't going to rush for 4 yrds per carry.* The same goes for the other side of the ball. You have amazing CBs and no pass rush and good QB will find someone open. If you can't stop the run with the front 7 sometimes teams are going to burn you all day long with the deep ball. In todays game you HAVE to be able to have some pass rush with your front four.

(*cept for Barry Sanders, I don't know how that man did it with those crappy O-lines and 8 men in the box all the time)

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Dream scenario might involve Justin Smith (on the cheaper side, perhaps, given his 2.0 sacks this season) and Lance Briggs in FA ($$$ is a question, but we'll see). Then that opens the first round for a CB, then go OL/WR in the 2nd and 3rd (depending on the value available).

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I would have to agree with most of the posts to address the defensive line if we can get a quality pick with #21. If not draft the best offensive line prospect and then go with defensive line in round 2. I think whe should take a look at Tom Zbikowski from ND if he is available in round 3 or 4. He has had an off couple of years but has 4.48 speed and is tough as nails. I think he has a true Redskin personality and would love to see him on the team.

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Here we go again. The Skins should just take the best available player in each round. Screw positional needs in the Draft. If you draft good football players, then you have a team of good football players. They should address needs through free agency and trades (NO TRADING PICKS!). I have several reasons for my logic, but I do not feel like expanding on it right now.

I guarentee that I will start another thread that does not involve draft talk in about a month.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;404079]Here we go again. The Skins should just take the best available player in each round. Screw positional needs in the Draft. If you draft good football players, then you have a team of good football players. They should address needs through free agency and trades (NO TRADING PICKS!). I have several reasons for my logic, but I do not feel like expanding on it right now.

I guarentee that I will start another thread that does not involve draft talk in about a month.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I believe in taking the best player available, regardless of positional needs. If you had Carson Palmer on your team and, when it was time to draft in the 1st and 2nd rounds the best players on the board were QBs, would you do so? No. If the best player on the board was a kicker in round 1 and you already had a good kicker, would you draft him? No. I think you have to look at your needs when considering who to draft.

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Gotta go to the Defensive Line, we couldnt get pressure on Hasselbeck last Saturday, we need a guy who creates havoc

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;404337]I'm not sure I believe in taking the best player available, regardless of positional needs. If you had Carson Palmer on your team and, when it was time to draft in the 1st and 2nd rounds the best players on the board were QBs, would you do so? No. If the best player on the board was a kicker in round 1 and you already had a good kicker, would you draft him? No. I think you have to look at your needs when considering who to draft.[/quote]


That's different we dont have the "best" player at any positions.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;404438]That's different we dont have the "best" player at any positions.[/QUOTE]

Good point, but would you draft a QB, TE or RB with our first round draft pick?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;404439]Good point, but would you draft a QB, TE or RB with our first round draft pick?[/quote]


Of course I wouldnt, but those are the only 3 positions on our team that I wouldnt draft in the 1st round. Everything else is on the table. (except kicker and punter obviously)

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If they are looking at D Line, how about Howie Long's son out of UVA. I only saw a few of their games, but he seemed to put pressure on the QB and was explosive off the line.

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I think we definitely have to go D-line this year. We've been talking about getting a pass-rush for years, but we still haven't ever gone after a big time DE in the 1st round that could be a stud for years.

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[QUOTE=CancunCantinaBartender;404851]If they are looking at D Line, how about Howie Long's son out of UVA. I only saw a few of their games, but he seemed to put pressure on the QB and was explosive off the line.[/QUOTE]

Chris Long is expected to go very early in the first round. Of course that could change w/ combine performances. Recently the Skins have seemed to try to fill holes with FA and supplement w/ the draft. I would like to see if Lawrence Jackson a DE at USC works his way to our draft spot

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DE, then Oline in the draft. I say we go after Trufant in FA he seems like a good cover corner and he has some size. Man I really want a proven elite corner at some point, I miss Bailey!

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I miss bailey to, but I think Asante Samuels is a better cover corner than Trufant. I think we wont be able to sign either one.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;404337]I'm not sure I believe in taking the best player available, regardless of positional needs. If you had Carson Palmer on your team and, when it was time to draft in the 1st and 2nd rounds the best players on the board were QBs, would you do so? No. If the best player on the board was a kicker in round 1 and you already had a good kicker, would you draft him? No. I think you have to look at your needs when considering who to draft.[/quote]


I firmly disagree. The Draft, in my mind is to bring on new talent and "reload" your team. If you are not taking the best available player, then you are just picking a guy and hoping that he can pick up the slack where you are weak. The NFL is for veteran players. There are very few rookies that can perform at this level right off of the bat. I still say draft the best available and fill your needs with veterans.

However, to humor your previous question. In the event that I am absolutely loaded at one position, but the best player on the board is that same position, then I would draft the next best player on the board having a different position. I would not draft the best according to my needs, but the best there is.

For instance, I believe that we are pretty solid at LB heading into next season. If the best available player when we pick is a LB, then I guess that we would be getting another quality LB.If for some off of the wall reason we had 3 or 4 pro bowl caliber LB's and the best available was a LB, then I would look at the next best player on the board. Highly unlikely though, you can never have enough good football players, but you can have too many bad ones.

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I think you are oversimplifying the draft. If you pick the "best" player regardless of position you aren't taking into account whether or not the player fits into the team's overall scheme.

For example lets say the best player at the time is a TE is the mold of Shannon Sharpe(a great receiver but average to poor blocker). If you have a run ordinated team that depends on the TE to in block on a DE or MLB. What good is this guy going to be? The best player available is not going to be the same for every team.

Another example if you are solid at CB and safety but weak at D-line are you going to draft a guy who was a shut down corner in college? What are you going to do? Run the nickel the whole game and hope the other team doesn't decide to run the ball against your poor D-line? And even in the nickel if you aren't getting a pass rush someone will get open sooner or later or the QB will take off and get yards. The smarter move is to draft a good D-lineman and stick with your all ready solid DBs. The improved pass rush will help the defense more than a fifth DB.

The truth of drafting well is that you balance both the best player available and drafting for need. If the best person avail isn't what you need you try to move down. If you can't trade down you look to see if the best player available can fit into your system or you can't tweak your system then you draft for need.

The proof that [B][U]just [/U][/B] drafting the best player available doesn't work is the Lions how any team could use 3 first round picks on WR in so few years is inconceivable. It doesn't even fit into their system; they haven't used the run and shoot for some years now.

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Sorry to be off topic. Were at pick 21? Last two games of the season we win and lose by 21. Were also getting the 21'st pick that is so crazy.

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[quote=Gtothearry;404999]Sorry to be off topic. Were at pick 21? Last two games of the season we win and lose by 21. Were also getting the 21'st pick that is so crazy.[/quote]Is that a hint that we should draft the Phillips kid from the U as a physical safety to replace Taylor?

I've maintained all along that we should draft the best 2-way DE available, then add O-line and CB depth. During the 2nd Gibbs era, we didn't draft an offensive or defensive lineman any higher than the 5th round (although Montgomery and Golsten look like great late round picks). It is time to address our age in the trenches. Phillip Daniels isn't getting any younger.

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I dont think he will fall to 21 but we will have to see after the combine.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;405019]Is that a hint that we should draft the Phillips kid from the U as a physical safety to replace Taylor?

I've maintained all along that we should draft the best 2-way DE available, then add O-line and CB depth. During the 2nd Gibbs era, we didn't draft an offensive or defensive lineman any higher than the 5th round (although Montgomery and Golsten look like great late round picks). It is time to address our age in the trenches. Phillip Daniels isn't getting any younger.[/QUOTE]

Not at all. Im all for D-end or a run stuffer. I was thinking about sean and his number again.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;404988]I firmly disagree. The Draft, in my mind is to bring on new talent and "reload" your team. If you are not taking the best available player, then you are just picking a guy and hoping that he can pick up the slack where you are weak. The NFL is for veteran players. There are very few rookies that can perform at this level right off of the bat. I still say draft the best available and fill your needs with veterans.[/QUOTE]

Interesting points and good post. However, I think that, despite what GMs and Team Presidents say in public, most teams draft according to a needs-best available philosophy. Look at the last couple of drafts and you will see that most teams take players in the first round at positions of need. I am obviously not saying you disregard the quality of the players available, but you have to take your needs into account when drafting. I think we did as much when we took Landry (a great player) when AP was on the board.

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Hey, does any one know what picks the Redskins have this year?

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From what I can tell, the Redskins have everything, but a forth round pick.

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kinda crazy that we end up with the [B]21[/B]st pick in the draft.

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;405404]From what I can tell, the Redskins have everything, but a forth round pick.[/QUOTE]

That's right

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;405404]From what I can tell, the Redskins have everything, but a forth round pick.[/QUOTE]

You are right, read bottom of article.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=33961]Redskins to Pick 21st In Draft[/url]

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i agree with both hijink and angryssg. also being a patriots fan i see how a teaM Is supposed to run a draft.by getting players that fit your schemes ,smart players who are verstile and can play multiple pos so when (not if) your star players go down thers someone to help fill that now weak link. but if theres players on there board ranked about the same and one would add depth and theother could possable start ,then you take the starter. but if were talking needs of the redkins for free agency or draft then it goes to d linemen and o linemen and depth on both. if you dont have a line you cant do anytihng ,look at the cards aand lions (on both sides of the ball). they have alot of talented players that can only do so much because they either apply no pressure or have no time before the def is in there backfield. so we gotta start there ,i mean i would like another wr m.monk ( arknas) or g.carr (flordia state) or a db like k.phillips (mami) or aqip talib (kansas) but the lines depth is the most vital.

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what the skins need is a good o-linemen. the skins o-line is getting a little old and that line is what determines ball games. If the line sucks, you are going to lose 11-12 games.

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but the question is do you go for an offensive linemen (who pretty much all the time are questionable about their performance in their first year), or do you take a DE who will most likely make an immediate impact.

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DEs most often take at least one or two years of experience to make an immediate impact. Even Mario Williams who is tearing it up now, wasn't much of a factor his first season.

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Why not take a cornerback with #1 pick? Why did we give #4 for TJ Duckett?

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We got Duckett because at the time Portis had just separated his shoulder and the time we did not know if Betts could stay healthy. The FO felt we need a backup in case Portis was out for a while and Betts did not pan out. Well Betts panned out.

In terms of the draft:
The best big man available, offense or defense.
When you control the line of scrimmage it makes everything else easier. I would be happy if we spent every one of our picks on lineman.

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corner with out a doubt! even if we restructure and sign springs....springs and smoot played good down the stretch. rogers will not be ready or at least 100% until 2009. but i cant help but think that if we get corners playing in our nickle packages instead of safeties we are better off because this league is shifting to a pass happy league. the more guys who can cover the more balanced of a defense you can have, the more aggressive you can be. it just makes too much sense. i think unless we are going to do something drastic and trade up to get chris long(best player in the draft) then we go corner.

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with the first pick the redskins should trade down to pick up additional picks