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I said other. I WANT Williams to stay on and be the HC for continuity reasons. But if you look at the last 4 hires, there's no indication the daniel would do that. IF we go out and get someone from outside the organization, we're probably fucked for the next two seasons.

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I want Williams or Saunders due to the fact that a new coach could come in and clean house. This team is alot closer than anyone realizes. This creates alot more concern. If GW gets the gig does AS stay and vice versa. What is gonna happen to Joe Bugel? Gibbs longtime friend. I respect Joe for his decision and hope this will work out for the best. I will loose what little hair i have left on my head if we as Skins fans have to go through another Turner/Marty/Spurrier era. Its just not fair. :(

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It should be GW. He's earned it and has been with the team for 4 years now. If there's anyone who knows team as good Gibbs does, its Williams.

Promote Blache to Asst.Head Coach defense.

I wonder about what will happen to Bugel. If he goes, who do we bring in to coach the o-line? Ray Brown?

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[QUOTE=irish;404272]If its anyone besides GW all the assistants will be gone. He will want his own guys.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is if Williams doesn't bolt before he gets the pink slip. We've already heard his name mentioned with regard to the current coaching vacancies, and if he's not picked for the Redskins' job, he's going to go looking elsewhere.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;404287]I wouldn't hate it if Cowher was the guy... but I would be disappointed from the standpoint that it would mean a new staff and probably some significant changes to the roster.

[B]I'm tired of starting over every few years. At least with Williams it wouldn't be a total house cleaning.[/[/B]QUOTE]

That's what I'm screamin'.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;404231]I think to hire anyone but Greg Williams would be an insult to Greg Williams. He has his thumbprint on that team already, they are moving in the right direction, and he desrves the shot. It has to be GW.

Not sure Cowher would be a good fit as HC. A defensive minded HC with a history in the 3-4. If Cowher comes in and Williams stays, it may cause some minor issues in defensive philosophies.[/quote]

For the life of me I just don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up Bill Cowher. It's just not going to happen. He's going to want full control, which IS NOT going to happen as long as Danny is the owner. He's going to want a 3-4 defense. Last time I checked we DO NOT have 3-4 personel. So that would set things back. And Cowher has said he is happy sitting on his ass doing TV and enjoying life. COWHER IS NOT COMING HERE.

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Welcome to the captains chair, Gregg Williams. I hope you've learned well from the legend!!!

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[QUOTE=Daseal;404166]Please god don't go Cowher -- I don't understand why everyone blows smoke up his ass. When you're with a team for that luck, eventually a blind squirrel finds a nut.

This has to go to Greg Williams -- Keep Saunders around as OC with full control of the offense, promote Blache to ass. HC Defense. It's already setup for a perfect transition -- do it.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree with you on this one daseal, I don't believe either Williams or Saunders are true head coaching material, Cower would be a great fit right now. The problem will arise with Williams if he doesn't get the nod for head coach, but I just think he's a very good coordinator and that is as far as it goes, but I do think he may get the promotion ala Richie Petitebone, but it wont work out, I guess we will just have to wait and see.

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[quote=skinsfan69;404320]For the life of me I just don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up Bill Cowher. It's just not going to happen. He's going to want full control, which IS NOT going to happen as long as Danny is the owner. He's going to want a 3-4 defense. Last time I checked we DO NOT have 3-4 personel. So that would set things back. And Cowher has said he is happy sitting on his ass doing TV and enjoying life. COWHER IS NOT COMING HERE.[/quote]

I think he has to at least be in the discussion given he's the biggest name out there. I'd be surprised if he's not on our radar at all.

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I'm with the crowd that would like to see Grilliams become HC with Saunders stay on as OC. I see NO reason to change either coordinator and I see numerous reasons to keep both. I'm not sure that Grilliams' cocky and brash personality will win the "hearts and minds" of the players, but I want to see as little turnover as possible. I swear, just when familiarity starts to breed wins, we tend to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch. I pray we don't blow things up this go around.

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[quote=Redskins_P;404316]It should be GW. He's earned it and has been with the team for 4 years now. If there's anyone who knows team as good Gibbs does, its Williams.

Promote Blache to Asst.Head Coach defense.

I wonder about what will happen to Bugel. If he goes, who do we bring in to coach the o-line? Ray Brown?[/quote]

I suspect that both Buges and Breaux will follow Gibbs into retirement. I'm going to miss those three.

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[quote=Ocliw;404237]If Snyder hires a college coach he might as well re-sign Deion Sanders,Bruce Smith and start this whole damn I'm a gillionaire with a play toy thing over again.[/quote]

No, he might as well resign...sell it all to someone who cares.

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I have a really bad feeling about next year. I hope I'm wrong but this team has been the antithesis of "change is good."

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;404335]I have a really bad feeling about next year. I hope I'm wrong but this team has been the antithesis of "change is good."[/quote]

I have a real good feeling about next year, and as long as there isn't that much turnover I think we could contend for another Super Bowl!

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[quote=skinsfan69;404320]For the life of me I just don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up Bill Cowher. It's just not going to happen. He's going to want full control, which IS NOT going to happen as long as Danny is the owner. He's going to want a 3-4 defense. Last time I checked we DO NOT have 3-4 personel. So that would set things back. And Cowher has said he is happy sitting on his ass doing TV and enjoying life. COWHER IS NOT COMING HERE.[/quote]

I don't think Cowher would go anywhere yet. He retired to be with his daughters and family...do you seriously think he'd be sick of it after 2 years? That would be unfair to his family he gave up football for.

I know he'll be back some day. He won't be able to stay away forever, but 2 years?

That's like expecting Gibbs to return again in 2010.

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[QUOTE=Buster;404340]I don't think Cowher would go anywhere yet. He retired to be with his daughters and family...do you seriously think he'd be sick of it after 2 years? That would be unfair to his family he gave up football for.

I know he'll be back some day. He won't be able to stay away forever, but 2 years?

That's like expecting Gibbs to return again in 2010.[/QUOTE]


I think the issue is that they are settled in NC, and DC would be a lot closer than Pittsburgh.

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Let's take a look from the other side of the coin, who would want the Redskins coaching job. It does come with baggage.

a) You have an owner and VP (Vinnie) that are going to be involved in decision making. Snyder is better now than before but he will not give up full control again to anyone other than Gibbs. Cowher will want full control

b) We are not going to be able to overhaul the roster due to cap limitations. We aren't in cap hell, but we can't go crazy in FA either, so whoever comes here will have to utilize largely the same roster.

b2) Our offensive roster is built for a Coryell/Saunders/Gibbs type offense. Big blockers, built for power rushing, and play-action. Saunders wrinkles to that system are timing oriented and will NOT NOT NOT work well if we get a west-coast style offensive coach in here (Mariucci for example).

b3) Our defensive roster is built for the G.Williams system, and it even more than the offense is extremely scheme oriented. While we have [U]some[/U] raw talent on D, I believe our roster would be no better than a 25th ranked D if they were forced to play in a 3-4 style. (Another knock against Cohwer)

c) The team went through an emotional trauma that forced them to really bond as a unit, and a new coach...an outsider... will NOT be accepted by the majority of the players as their emotional leader because he "wasn't there" when they had to deal with the things they dealt with this year.

Due to all the reasons listed above, I have a very difficult time seeing a scenario where we go outside the organization for a new HC. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like a good fit. Besides, Williams is gone if he isn't the next HC here, he'll take another job elsewhere, and again, without his scheme, our D is in trouble. I think the only logical choice to retain a hope of a winning record next year is GW.

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I'd like to go on record now as saying that if we hire Pete Carroll (sp?) we are royally fucked. That'll go down like the demon seed of Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;404330]I suspect that both Buges and Breaux will follow Gibbs into retirement. I'm going to miss those three.[/quote]

Buges is going through some very serious family issues himself. He probably wants to be with his family too.

Can anyone tell me what Breaux does? He is more invisable than Saunders.

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[QUOTE=Ocliw;404237]If Snyder hires a college coach he might as well re-sign Deion Sanders,Bruce Smith and start this whole damn I'm a gillionaire with a play toy thing over again.[/QUOTE]

My guess is that Danny has learned from his past mistakes (e.g., Spurrier), has his finger on the pulse of the Redskins players, and will keep Grilliams and Saunders here with Grilliams playing the starring role as HC.

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I like how some liked to bash GW a few years back for all the "dumb" things he was doing on D, going from a Top 10 Defense to one of the lowest the next year around. Now apparently he is the next best thing and the fix to our problems.

I love continuity but hate inconsistency that he brings.

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[QUOTE=Mc2guy;404350]b) We are not going to be able to overhaul the roster due to cap limitations. We aren't in cap hell, but we can't go crazy in FA either, so whoever comes here will have to utilize largely the same roster.[/QUOTE]

We are NOT in salary cap hell. A bunch of contracts will be restructured and we will be fine. Mark my words.

I'm honestly getting sick and tired of hearing about how we're in salary cap hell. Yet, we still manage to sign some FA's and stay under the cap. Hasn't this owner already proven everybody wrong by now??

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[quote=Mc2guy;404350]Let's take a look from the other side of the coin, who would want the Redskins coaching job. It does come with baggage.

a) You have an owner and VP (Vinnie) that are going to be involved in decision making. Snyder is better now than before but he will not give up full control again to anyone other than Gibbs. Cowher will want full control

b) We are not going to be able to overhaul the roster due to cap limitations. We aren't in cap hell, but we can't go crazy in FA either, so whoever comes here will have to utilize largely the same roster.

b2) Our offensive roster is built for a Coryell/Saunders/Gibbs type offense. Big blockers, built for power rushing, and play-action. Saunders wrinkles to that system are timing oriented and will NOT NOT NOT work well if we get a west-coast style offensive coach in here (Mariucci for example).

b3) Our defensive roster is built for the G.Williams system, and it even more than the offense is extremely scheme oriented. While we have [U]some[/U] raw talent on D, I believe our roster would be no better than a 25th ranked D if they were forced to play in a 3-4 style. (Another knock against Cohwer)

c) The team went through an emotional trauma that forced them to really bond as a unit, and a new coach...an outsider... will NOT be accepted by the majority of the players as their emotional leader because he "wasn't there" when they had to deal with the things they dealt with this year.

Due to all the reasons listed above, I have a very difficult time seeing a scenario where we go outside the organization for a new HC. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like a good fit. Besides, Williams is gone if he isn't the next HC here, he'll take another job elsewhere, and again, without his scheme, our D is in trouble. I think the only logical choice to retain a hope of a winning record next year is GW.[/quote]

The Redskins head coaching position certainly HAS to be the most appealing of all the coaching vacancies in the league right now.

1. Miami: A train wreck from the top down. Who is the starting QB?
2. Baltimore: Again I ask the QB question. And an offense that needs a complete overhaul and a defense that is getting long in the tooth.
3. Atlanta: Who is the QB? And they had an offense built around Vick, now they have to rebuild the offense again to suit a new coaches philiosphy and WHOEVER comes in as QB.

Then you have Washington. Young EXTREMELY talented QB. Solid players at each skill position. A superlative defensive philosophy and an owner that is not shy about opening the checkbook to get you what you need and want. Snyder is committed to winning and to the fans. He always goes above and beyond to put the best product on the field.

Of all the coaching vacancies, I would say Washington is the most appealing, they are equipped to WIN NOW and that alone is enough to attract any qualified candadite.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;404364]We are NOT in salary cap hell. A bunch of contracts will be restructured and we will be fine. Mark my words.

I'm honestly getting sick and tired of hearing about how we're in salary cap hell. Yet, we still manage to sign some FA's and stay under the cap. Hasn't this owner already proven everybody wrong by now??[/QUOTE]

We're not in salary cap hell, although we definitely we've had some hiccups attributable to cap constraints. This offseason, I think we'll see more of the same. With teams having record cap surpluses, free agents are getting bigger and bigger deals. I do not think we will be able to sign more than 1 or 2 starters and it is unlikely that either of them will be Pro Bowlers like Terrell Suggs or Marcus Trufant. That said, I welcome these cap constraints since I don't think we need to replace more than 1-2 starters (Daniels and Doughty).

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I think Greg Williams has earned a shot...he's learned some things since the Buffalo experience...I think Al Saunders will be fine remaining as OC.

I would, however like to see Dan hire a GM.

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Williams....Doug Williams

Seriously though, I'm suppose it probably should be Gregg Williams if he wants it. Although, Gibbs' resignation as President as well has me thinking the next guy may be HC/President. I don't see Gregg Williams in that capacity. Then again Gibbs has been sure to include him in all personnel discussions/meetings (not just for the defensive players).

Anyhow, I don't think Williams will just be handed the HC job. Doesn't the Rooney Rule basically prevent that from happening?

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[QUOTE=squrrelco3;404375]I think Greg Williams has earned a shot...he's learned some things since the Buffalo experience...I think Al Saunders will be fine remaining as OC.

I would, however like to see Dan hire a GM.[/QUOTE]

As JLC pointed out, hiring a GM would pretty much mean the end for Vinny Cerrato. I know you're probably thinking, "Nice, we'll kill two birds with one stone," but Danny is pretty tight with Vinny so I'm not sure we'll ever hire a GM.

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I want Cowher but it will probably Williams which is absolutely fine with me too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;404388]Williams....Doug Williams

Seriously though, I'm suppose it probably should be Gregg Williams if he wants it. Although, Gibbs' resignation as President as well has me thinking the next guy may be HC/President. I don't see Gregg Williams in that capacity. Then again Gibbs has been sure to include him in all personnel discussions/meetings (not just for the defensive players).

Anyhow, I don't think Williams will just be handed the HC job. [B]Doesn't the Rooney Rule basically prevent that from happening[/B]?[/quote]

I was thinking about that too. I guess all they would have to do is "interview" Blache and they're good to go.

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If it's Grilliams, I'd love to see (as I stated previously) Floyd Reese come on as GM. They worked together in Houston/Tennessee and Reese has an excellent record with personnel. The only hiccup (besides Snyder/Cerrato) is Reese and Jeff Fisher had a falling out and GW and Fisher are extremely tight.

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I second that notion of a GM.

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In the interest of continuity, I won't be pissed if it is Gregg Williams, but he was abysmal in Buffalo. There are plenty of guys who aren't great head coaches their first time around and then turn it around at their next stay (see: Bill Belichick) but I don't think the guy is a head coach. I don't know that he's even a top 5 defensive coordinator. I like him and he seems like a good guy and the D has been good under him, but he's proven to me that he can't really do much unless he has superior talent, therefore, I don't know if he should be a candidate.

Also, is anyone else concerned that Al Saunders will be pissed if he's passed over? I mean, what do they do? Just have both of them run their own groups? That would be retarded. I think that was as much a reason as to why Spurrier didn't work as anything else. Whatever the case, I'm concerned.

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FROM JLC:
There are definitely some people in this building who believe that Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to. Had a couple of people tell me that this makes a lot of sense to them. Now, as I mentioned earlier Cowher would want full roster and personnel control and probably want to bring some of his own people in as well on that side of things, and it could mean that someone like Vinny Cerrato got shifted to more of a consulting role as well.

But I spoke to a source who knows Cerrato well who said he believes it will be Bill Cowher. He thinks that Cowher will get the keys to the kingdom and become the first $10-million coach, or in that range. "He's going to want the power Parcells had in Dallas," the source said. "Cowher's going to want to shop for the groceries. He lives in North Carolina, that keeps him pretty close to his home. I think that's where this thing is going."

Given the heavy powers that someone like Cowher would hold, he would likely get a title similar to what Gibbs had, and thus that would continue to render a GM moot in the management structure.

So, from what I can gather so far, and we're way early in this process, Williams and Cowher are the names to watch. People around the league have told me that Snyder and his people soured on Gregg after the 2007 season - it's usually hot today, not tomorrow around here - and were somewhat lukewarm at midseason, but became big fans again down the stretch, particularly after the Minnesota game. Still, these guys think indications point toward Cowher.

Bill Cowher is without a doubt the biggest fish out there, and has a Super Bowl on his resume to boot, and that's usually who they target around here.

THe NFL has rules mandating that teams interview minority candidates for these openings, which means the process generally takes some time even if club's essentially have made up their mind on a candidate. Greg Blache, the Redskins' defensive coordinator, has much expereince at the coordinator level, would fit that description, but he also has no head coaching aspirations, sources said, and has been mulling retirement himself for some time. So I don't think he would want to be a part of any dog and pony show; that's the opposite of Greg's style.

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Well, it's not like the Bills have done anything since Williams was fired. Let's face it Buffalo isn't exactly an easy place to win. Small market, a team that's not known for spending, and a tough draw for free agents.

If guys like Norv get chance after chance, I find it hard to argue that Williams doesn't deserve a 2nd shot.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;404411]Well, it's not like the Bills have done anything since Williams was fired. Let's face it Buffalo isn't exactly an easy place to win. Small market, a team that's not known for spending, and a tough draw for free agents.

If guys like Norv get chance after chance, I find it hard to argue that Williams doesn't deserve a 2nd shot.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that saying "Norv got a second chance" is a good reason for the Skins to hire Gregg Williams as the successor to Joe Gibbs. I won't be overly critical of the move if they hire Williams, but I think he will fail if he is the head coach. Up until the stretch run, I wasn't even sure I wanted him back as the defensive coordinator next season. So, if Gregg is hired, he won't get a ringing endorsement from me, I will reserve judgment the same way I have about many of the free agent signings the last few years. I won't come out and kill him, but I will certainly have my doubts about the guy.

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Williams def. deserves another shot at HC imo, and I'd prefer to keep GW and make him HC.

With that being said, I can't say I'd have a huge problem with Cowher, I'm just sick of rebuilding. We've been through too many "rebuilding" years, and I don't want to have to go through that crap anymore.

Holding onto Saunders is definitly a top priority as well.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;404396]I was thinking about that too. I guess all they would have to do is "interview" Blache and they're good to go.[/QUOTE]

True. I keep hearing Blache wants to coach at the college level, though. We'll see.

Bringing in Cowher would probably mean a change from the offensive stylings of Al Saunders and would be another turn in the learning process for Campbell. That said though, a Cowher style of offense you'd expect would be much simpler for a QB with less pressure to perform on him (and more on the running back) and maybe the team feels that's what Campbell is best suited for?

The whole thing is just crazy right now.

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[quote=jdlea;404417][B]I don't think that saying "Norv got a second chance" is a good reason for the Skins to hire Gregg Williams as the successor to Joe Gibbs.[/B] I won't be overly critical of the move if they hire Williams, but I think he will fail if he is the head coach. Up until the stretch run, I wasn't even sure I wanted him back as the defensive coordinator next season. So, if Gregg is hired, he won't get a ringing endorsement from me, I will reserve judgment the same way I have about many of the free agent signings the last few years. I won't come out and kill him, but I will certainly have my doubts about the guy.[/quote]

I'm just saying when you see bums like Norv get 2nd and 3rd chances, why shouldn't someone like Williams get a 2nd shot?

He's still one of the top defensive minds in the game, and he's had 4 seasons under Gibbs to learn and see how a Hall of Fame coach goes about their business. He's also had time to reflect upon his stint in Buffalo, and I'm sure he learned some valuable lessons from that.

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[quote=BravesOnthePath;404420]Williams def. deserves another shot at HC imo, and I'd prefer to keep GW and make him HC.

With that being said, [B]I can't say I'd have a huge problem with Cowher, I'm just sick of rebuilding.[/B] We've been through too many "rebuilding" years, and I don't want to have to go through that crap anymore.

Holding onto Saunders is definitly a top priority as well.[/quote]

Pretty much my feeling on the matter too.

Cowher would mean big changes across the board. He would obviously bring in a new staff, and he would bring in his own guys personnel wise too.

But he is a proven winner, and he's still young. I'd prefer Williams to build on what Gibbs started, but at the same time I could certainly understand bringing in Cowher.

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Bill Cowher power! He'd maintain the momentum Gibbs started, and he'd retain Gregg Williams and make sure we fire Vinny C.!