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I'd like for us to stay in house but an outsider isn't necessarily the kiss of death. Look at the Steelers for example (though I think Tomlins is a bit overrated and that team is due for a slump next year)

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I disagree that an outsider will definitely break up the team. To quote Norv Turner: "What we have works". Anybody coming in from the outside is going to evaluate the team and should see that there is a great mix of veteran and young talent. You don't tear something up "just because." If it's working, tweak it a little bit by bringing in a couple of guys that you trust. Our team definitely works right now as indicated by the close losses we had this year. Our team is not in disarray, open revolt or enduring any sort of mass free agent exodus. Whoever comes is going to have to "settle" for what he's already got. I'm sure Snyder will see to that or it will probably be a brief Spurrier-like existence next year.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;405181]I disagree that an outsider will definitely break up the team. To quote Norv Turner: "What we have works". Anybody coming in from the outside is going to evaluate the team and should see that there is a great mix of veteran and young talent. You don't tear something up "just because." If it's working, tweak it a little bit by bringing in a couple of guys that you trust. Our team definitely works right now as indicated by the close losses we had this year. Our team is not in disarray, open revolt or enduring any sort of mass free agent exodus. Whoever comes is going to have to "settle" for what he's already got. I'm sure Snyder will see to that or it will probably be a brief Spurrier-like existence next year.[/QUOTE]

In Norv's case it worked because of a similar style of offense and defense. If you bring Cowher he plays a 3-4 D and a more conservative O which would change things dramatically.

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I may be in the minority here, but I don't think Cowher is a good head coach. At all. I would put him in the Norv range (though I'm not quite as down on Norv as everyone else around here is).

1) The players he won the super bowl with don't seem to like him. At all.

2) His analyst job with CBS has left me totally unimpressed regarding his football knowledge.

3) He has a certain arrogance about him, and I really think that he would make more changes to the group we have here than any other coach would.

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Bottom line is coaching is over rated. The media makes such a big deal about coaching. Yes you need a good coach that the players respect but it ALWAYS comes down to players. The team with the best players wins the Super Bowl. Why did Norv Turner get a job in the first place? Because he coached Troy, Michael and Emmitt. It's not like he has some special play book or something. Why is Josh McDaniels being considered for jobs at 32 years old? Cause he calls plays for Tom Brady and Randy Moss. If Cowher comes here, is he so good that he is going to get us over the hump just cause he yells and screams and dials up the zone blitzes? No. Give the job to GW cause he has the players respect and they will play hard for him.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;405222]Bottom line is coaching is over rated. The media makes such a big deal about coaching. Yes you need a good coach that the players respect but it ALWAYS comes down to players. The team with the best players wins the Super Bowl. Why did Norv Turner get a job in the first place? Because he coached Troy, Michael and Emmitt. It's not like he has some special play book or something. Why is Josh McDaniels being considered for jobs at 32 years old? Cause he calls plays for Tom Brady and Randy Moss. If Cowher comes here, is he so good that he is going to get us over the hump just cause he yells and screams and dials up the zone blitzes? No. Give the job to GW cause he has the players respect and they will play hard for him.[/QUOTE]

Bingo!!!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;405222]Bottom line is coaching is over rated. The media makes such a big deal about coaching. Yes you need a good coach that the players respect but it ALWAYS comes down to players. The team with the best players wins the Super Bowl. Why did Norv Turner get a job in the first place? Because he coached Troy, Michael and Emmitt. It's not like he has some special play book or something. Why is Josh McDaniels being considered for jobs at 32 years old? Cause he calls plays for Tom Brady and Randy Moss. If Cowher comes here, is he so good that he is going to get us over the hump just cause he yells and screams and dials up the zone blitzes? No. Give the job to GW cause he has the players respect and they will play hard for him.[/quote]Thanks.

Can't really credit or blame the coach for overall record. Only his players can take responsibility for that.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;405222]Bottom line is coaching is over rated. The media makes such a big deal about coaching. Yes you need a good coach that the players respect but it ALWAYS comes down to players. The team with the best players wins the Super Bowl. Why did Norv Turner get a job in the first place? Because he coached Troy, Michael and Emmitt. It's not like he has some special play book or something. Why is Josh McDaniels being considered for jobs at 32 years old? Cause he calls plays for Tom Brady and Randy Moss. If Cowher comes here, is he so good that he is going to get us over the hump just cause he yells and screams and dials up the zone blitzes? No. Give the job to GW cause he has the players respect and they will play hard for him.[/QUOTE]

How do you explain the Chargers last year? They had the best team and lost due to Marty's conservative nature (2 years in a row) that's why they canned his ass.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;405235]How do you explain the Chargers last year? They had the best team and lost due to Marty's conservative nature (2 years in a row) that's why they canned his ass.[/quote]

SD lost becuase NE was a little bit better that day. And they got some breaks like when Troy Brown stripped the SD DB after an INT. But was the play calling a little conservative? Maybe. But who are you going to trust more in a playoff game. LT or Rivers? At that time last year I'm putting the ball in LT's hand. Rivers was a first year starter last year. Plus Cam Cameron was the playcaller. Marty doesn't even wear a head set most of the time.

Marty may not be the most liked guy around but he commands respect when he walks in the room, and he's a damn good football coach. If you walked into the SD locker room right now and asked the players who they like better, I would bet almost all of them would want Marty back. But that's not saying much cause Norv is Norv.

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Interesting piece here:

[url=http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/abn4121207.htm]The Sports Network - National Football League[/url]

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;405245]Interesting piece here:

[url=http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/abn4121207.htm]The Sports Network - National Football League[/url][/QUOTE]

Great and very accurate assessment of both Cowher and his mentor Schottenheimer. Average HC's, stick w/ GW and see what happens. Gotta give the guy a chance.

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Belicheck is a great coach no doubt however if he didn't have Brady he probably wouldn't have 1 SB trophy. It's funny how good players make good coaches.

There is one thing i'd like to say about GW (he does get my vote). I do think that we have an average/slightly above average team. I'm not against him doing his thing. If that means getting some assts/coaches he's more comfortable w/, i'm all for it. If that means getting rid of some players he isn't comfortable w/ i'm all for it. GW has to do it his way. Right now, we're able to compete for the playoffs, I'd like to think we have higher goals. We were 3rd in the nfc east this year and haven't won an nfc east title since......99? I'm not saying blow it up but i do think some changes have to be made. If GW is our guy, let him do it his way.

I think GW is a no nonsense type of guy and he's been watching the team long enough to know what changes have to be made. Right now even though i do believe we are better off, we need to make some changes to get to the next level.

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I think Williams and, when Saunders wants to leave when he doesn't get the job (as I suspect will happen), it would be interesting to see if they can get Russ Grimm to come in as assistant head coach/offensive coordinator. I can't believe he'd settle for remaining the Cardinals assistant head coach/OL coach over that opportunity, and I think he has the hallmarks of a head coach someday.

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[quote=redsk1;405258]Belicheck is a great coach no doubt however if he didn't have Brady he probably wouldn't have 1 SB trophy. It's funny how good players make good coaches.[/quote]
To take that a step further, Vinateri probably had something to do with him looking like a genius too. Two of the three SBs were won by 40+ yd FGs in the closing minutes/seconds.

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[quote=skinsfan69;405244]SD lost becuase NE was a little bit better that day. And they got some breaks like when Troy Brown stripped the SD DB after an INT. But was the play calling a little conservative? Maybe. But who are you going to trust more in a playoff game. LT or Rivers? At that time last year I'm putting the ball in LT's hand. Rivers was a first year starter last year. Plus Cam Cameron was the playcaller. Marty doesn't even wear a head set most of the time.[/quote]I would even go further than that. I would say that San Diego was the best team that season, and the best team in that game, on that day. Problem was, all the turnovers went New Englands way, no matter who it was making the error. New England fumbles....New England recovers. San Diego fumbles...New England Recovers. San Diego picks off Brady, New England gets the ball anyway wins by 3.

If those two teams met again, exact same coaches, San Diego wins 90% of the time. The talent fell the way it was supposed to, but the ball bounced towards the Pats not most times, but every time.

It's OK, Reggie Wayne's fumble to himself a week later totally evened things out.

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Cowher is just looking to cash in, nothing more IMO. No thanks.

Greg Williams has earned the opportunity to be the next head coach of the Redskins, and I believe when its all said and done he will be.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee;404923]Here's my take on Cowher.

He is a really good coach. He had some dominant defensive talent early in his career (Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Rod Woodson) and got the most out of them. He stuck with an underperforming QB (Kordell Stewart) for too long, to the eventual detriment of his team. During much of his career, the Steelers were in the worst conference in football (The Bengals were horrible until 2003, the Browns had two winning seasons in his tenure, and the Ravens were schizophrenically great or rotten). There was a stretch in his tenure (1998-2000) where he never finished above 3rd in his division (and people were openly calling for his head), which was righted after realignment (which gave him the Browns, Bengals, and Ravens twice a year).

What part of that screams "We gotta get this guy!"

His demand for total personnel control? Do the names Tommy Maddox or Kordell Stewart give you pause when thinking about ceding complete control?

Is stability the real answer? Because, I think I could prove that the Rooney family doesn't know how to fire people. They haven't fired a head coach since 1968. That guy (Mike Austin) won eleven games in three years, and may have deserved it.

Do we feel like he's the guy who can light a fire in the players' collective belly? Here's the major additions to the Steelers this year: coach Mike Tomlin, and punter Daniel Sepulveda. Who's more responsible for the extra three wins they got this year? My guess is the coach.

The popular notion is that we can throw enough money at Cowher to make him consider this. Perhaps the real question is, do we really want a leader who won't be bothered to get off his couch for less than $10 million?

[I][SIZE="1"]It should be noted that if Coach Cowher is hired, I'll erase this thread and anyone who dares quote it. I'm a moderator, and I'm crazy in the head.[/SIZE][/I][/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree with you more. I feel Cowher is tremedously overrated. I would be pretty disappointed if he gets hired over several others. Williams, Saunders and Grimm in paticular.

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I think he's gonna command way to much money, I say G Williams is our best bet for now.

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Cowher spits too much when he speaks. Say it, don't spray it! I asked for the news, not the weather!

:laughing-

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Man, I been preaching that we should hire GW over anybody and that we dont need Cower. Then, I looked at his record and dam it is hard not to want him.
[url=http://www.crofton.com/cowher/]Bill Cowher's Career Win Loss Record - Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers[/url]

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[quote=T.O.Killa;405381]Man, I been preaching that we should hire GW over anybody and that we dont need Cower. Then, I looked at his record and dam it is hard not to want him.
[URL="http://www.crofton.com/cowher/"]Bill Cowher's Career Win Loss Record - Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers[/URL][/quote]Your definitley right, but we've been burned too much by the "BIG NAME" coachs.